As long as you enjoy what your doing, does it really matter if it makes you a mediocre person in the eyes of society? 99.99% of us won't be remembered for anything other than taking up space, including YOU.
Robert Greene had some wonderful insights. Respectfully, Tom, I think you can be a little more respectful in verbalizing your opposing opinion rather than continuing to hammer the fact that you don't agree into your guest. However, I agree with both sides of the coin. On one end, "it was meant to happen so that I learn" but also "I am choosing to learn from this". I think in life, it is a little bit of both. We aren't totally giving our power away but we also recognize the possibility of something greater than us and that even in bad times, life happens for us, not against us.
If you knew Tom and worked for his company in the early days you would laugh your ass off at the moral pillar he presents himself as. He is a figment of his own imagination and figures that because he rose on the backs of 22 year olds working 7 days a week, 70 hours a week with pitiful compensation and no time off (my daughter being one of them), he is now a guru of success. The man is a total joke. Lots of people make "millions", even billions. He's not special.
Seriously, it was actually a great talk and it kind of pulled me out of a little depression. Then out of nowhere in the end Tom gets into a petty semantics disagreement and totally killed the vibe
The part about not reading history is insanely true. I study a lot of history and it's always been wacky... few people have a completely charmed experience. The truth is you have nothing to lose by being positive about things. It's certainly the lesser of evils and it's not even an evil, believing things are possible is the first step to doing things. There are WAY more distractions now that ever. And he's on the button that social media is number 1. It can be a powerful tool or a mindless sucker of time. The less you use it for the wrong reasons the more you can figure out what's important to you, is what I'm finding.
Same. That was just stupid, especially since they are in fact basically saying the exact same thing but he just wants to argue for the sake of arguing. Apparently, he has not read Law #9... The student fails the Master once again.
no, it was meant to happen...both guys seem to be little tired and irritated, both were kinda dancing around fate, succesfully avoiding it, and it will be revealing for both of them after watching this, as it is for us
I couldn't put words to it. But yeah the guy is not willing absorb the knowledge being giving, also before that point I could sense some passive aggressive energy , at some point he said your last book bored me to death
Robert Greene has been an incredible discovery. I found him while on a run back in 2020 during the height of the pandemic. I found David Goggins through Tom Bilyeu as well. I appreciate the interviews! Both Robert Greene and David Goggins have been massive influences to my life. Thank you!
When would you say you woke up? I'm 32, I feel similar. I smoked weed for 14 years and I feel its the epitome of choosing easy dopamine sources over long term goals, and I'm bitter about it. Woke up just 2 years ago myself
@@Ndogg012 That sixties saying that people used to toss out casually, “Today is the first day of the rest of your life,” sounds cliche, but it can be a good way to live if you think about it. Keeps you in the present, while leaving the past behind. Forgive yourself, pull your energy into now, and do your best moving forward.
@Ndogg012 I say I awoke 5 years ago but took that time to rebuild my ideals and mindset. Unfortunately I was smoking weed at that time to deal with ptsd but also using it as a crutch of dependency. Stopped smoking 3 weeks ago and that cured a variety of "mentality congruence issues". A veil was lifted and now an extreme amount of the advice I've heard my mentors say is all falling into place. Truth about the easy dopamine hits. But nothing compares to the satisfaction I feel when overcoming issues that would mentally sideline me. Surrender to the process; and use the Stoic teaching from the greats to prevail.
I am 30 years old and this podcast hit hard. I am struggling to accept some of the mistakes I made in my younger years and have yet to carve a new path for myself. Thank you so so much for your message!
Fellow 31-year old here. I hear you brother; its not so much accepting my mistakes (I believe a lot - almost to a fault - in personal responsibility) but definetely carving a path for myself. I also suffer from ADHD, and I have a pattern of thinking I have found my calling or the thing that will fullfil me, but I get bored of it after exploring and it goes on the back burner. I have started two companies, simillar issue: I get bored of doing the actual work after spending the time to learn the niche. I get excitement from learning new things. Once I've explored a topic pretty thoroughly, I need to find something new to learn.
I’m turning 40 next month and as someone who’s made catastrophic mistakes I’ve learnt that life goes on and what’s important is being okay every day. Putting undue pressure on yourself is the best way to ruin your mental health
@@0Ciju0I can 100% relate and there’s nothing wrong with that. Don’t compare your path to others, your quest is a constant adventure and that’s something a lot of people don’t have a lot of balls to pursue so enjoy it nothing wrong with it at all.
Oh man. I'm just blown away by this discussion. I really resonate with the rebel without a cause idea. Like 10 years ago I came to understand problems with capitalism. But rather than looking for a cause to work with for a better world, I became isolated. Thinking the world was bad. People are evil, and everyone was gonna die. And for like 5-7 years i was a full nihilist. It sucked in every imaginable way. Accidentally though I found a cause and the last 4 years has been a process of reintegrating parts of myself and world that I abandoned. Seeing, that maybe people are not all bad after all, maybe there is hope. And every more, creating my own path of hope for me and others. For me it ment starting an regenerative agriculture business. I'm still rebel and criticise capitalism, but now instead of only critique, I learn to play the game and are proactively developing a path towards a more humane game to play. As Buckminster Fuller once said: " If you want to change something, don't waste your energy on fighting the old system. Instead focus on developing a new one, which will make the old one obsolete."
Yes to all of this. I went down a documentary rabbit hole about the world and isolated myself like you except I stopped watching the videos and started a self awareness journey. This lasted like 2 years though. I slowly started getting back into the world, if you will. I love your idea of playing the game cause I had the same thought. Love the quote too, I’ve never heard it.
Robert Greene delivers profound insights on escaping mediocrity, finding purpose, and mastering power. A captivating discussion that challenges conventional thinking and inspires a strategic approach to personal and professional growth.
1:02:01 So I have a good example of someone changing their life on their 50th birthday. My mother was a life long bartender at 49 years old. I was 22 and had just gotten out of college. On her 50th birthday, we took every penny we had ($14,000) and moved to a vacation island off the coast of Georgia and started a very successful vacation rental company. I know that me being 22 throws off her number a little, but I promise that I was completely useless for at least the first two years. I run large parts of the company now, but we still couldn’t run without her. This was 12 years ago. I’m now 35 and she’s 61. It definitely wasn’t easy, but I wanted to give a really encouraging example to anyone 50 and struggling. My mother will never have to work again.
I love this episode so much! My perspective on the differences argument regarding “things happening for a reason” is definitely semantics, or “frame of reference.” You don’t know what you don’t know, so allow yourself grace in the self actualization. “The reason” is our grace period for realization! We are humans being after all…
Fantastic talk as always. Just one thing I totally think differently on, and that is most people I have encountered had their course-correction in their 40's and 50's, and rarely anyone in their 20's. Maybe some in their 30's, but most were indeed above 40. That is because they start to look back at their lost time and missed opportunities and cannot bare to miss out on more. So many who ignored the call in their youth find it even harder to ignore it later in life, They look for another chance, for freedom, and for genuine fulfillment. It is not impossible. Quite the contrary. It is near impossible to convince our 20-year old selves to course correct. In any event, don't get defeated thinking it's impossible. At least, give it a shot. We all owe ourselves this much.
Create something with your talents and gifts and sell it. Do it for a big picture purpose. Strength train once a week. Spiritual / gratitude practices are good too. This builds self esteem and confidence, write it, schedule it and stick it on your wall.
Started Roberts new book "The Laws of Human Nature" and couldn't recommend it more. A fascinating aggregation of very important aspects of our personalities, as well as helpful information on how to see through someone's external persona into who they really are.
man as much as I disliked Robert Greene at first glance on his book the laws of power, completely changed how I feel 6 years later now and i really like and admire his point of view on life and finding your purpose
1:30 - Desire 4:00 - Diet 8:45 - Culture of Nihilism 19:50 - Fear of failure 35:00 - Frame of reference 1:20:00 - Love the doing 1:32:50 - joy of path of Mastery
As a 19 year old the idea of child like insecurity’s spoke to me. I love how humble the truth of our past made me change perspective of self and think deeply of who I want to be for the now.
Respect, loyalty, and friendship apparently provided Robert the reverence to speak freely on IT! Always a favorite guest, but the candor today is pivotal! Let’s go 2024!!!
They both have different perspective. Overcome different struggles. Still end up successful. In the end its up to you watching this podcast to contemplate on what resonates you the most. None of it was rude.
This is one of the channels that gave me the courage to start my RU-vid channel 10 months ago about self development. Now I have 1,891 subs and > 2k hours of watch time. I know it’s not comparable with others but I’m still proud I started because I’ve been learning so many lessons that I could haven’t learned without getting started in the 1st place.
I love Robert, I own and have read most of his books and through experience, I agree with most of what he has said and has written but there are a few things I do not agree with that are also informed by my experiences. All in all, thanks for this, it was wonderful and full of insights. Thanks.
I came here to borrow some of Robert’s wisdom but ended up discovering the immerse beauty of Tom’s personality! Loved his remarks, was amazed by the depth of his questions and a sincere yearning to get the answers! Amazing conversation, thank you both!
I can tell Robert really enjoys being on your show perhaps even more so than yourself! And wow, what a great pair of talented individuals! At end of day the spiel just boils down to an age old adage that my father often used for reminding us, that “where there is a will there is…!”
We love you guys, like it or not, disrespect, unkindness, lack of integrity, lack of self love never worked, doesn't work, this is what people don't understand today, no matter how much they make, they don't have the life experiences and don't respect it. That is where we are going to win, so they best stop being know it all's, humble themselves, respect themselves, life, get with the program, start making a difference, keep it moving and let's go! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I am hereby a fan. note: I hope you never feel the dark hell of true depression. I'm driven AF, have been in the tough music biz full time for 24 years, and have faced down all manner of bullshit and life-threatening illness. I'm still here for my family. I'm still 'grinding' daily to make my side hustles my main income. But depression is its own beast. When it sinks its deep fangs into you, the idea of "not sitting in it" sounds awesome, but has a way of losing its power in the muck. I think what you WOULD do differently is to take aggressive and consistent action when the depression lifts enough to allow you to catch your breath; of that, I have no doubt. Much respect, and thanks for showing up for all of us.
Good conversation. I do get annoyed at the ageism but know it's based on probability. Colonel Sanders was an outlier. Still, young people are generally less wise and know themselves less, so if the older person can nail the motivation/energy/focus side of things, I suspect they'll do better faster than a young person. Well other than the outright ageism that is rife in this society, that is not an excuse, just another part of the terrain.
End the ending topic, i believe yall were talking about the same thing. Robert actually answered bc it is a lesson. Thats the treasure, a lesson. Ok 5 minutes left, gonna finish this episode
I get this guys point about having a positive attitude, media can be unhealthy, and there have been times where people were pretty broke in the last 100 years. But, pick a year from 1940- 1950-60-70 whatever look at median income, price per acre, and house. 1945 is 1400 income/2500 family a year, $32 acre, $2800 house. 1400 per year per person. You and your brother or something could make 50% below median wage, and still be able to pay off a house in 5-10 years. Or buy 10 acres, and build whatever the you wanted on it after working for like 6 months. Yeah interest rates have been bad at multiple periods throughout, but the income/cost ratio was better. You didn't really have to work your a** off and be the best you possible, as this guy is describing, just afford a house. You could do it on a gas station attendant salary as long as you didn't have a serious drinking gambling or drug problem What's happening now is so constrictive that its crashing birthrates, Yet this guy seems more concerned with global warming. His opion seems like a psyop, recommending ignoring the health of the system, " its fine, put your head down and work harder, its been worse before" Does anyone agree?
individual context is key which is the message early in the podcast. Introspection..know yourself. . If you’ve been injured and Green has you’ll see life with limitations in mind. To not lookout for your energy and ability to balance life/stress is a mistake that can short circuit your life.
Thanks Tom It's just challenging to hear someone from born in the United States claim they were poor, but I value his perspective. I'm focusing on improving my social skills, and I appreciate the encouragement.
In the DOZENS of episodea i have watched, this by far, has been the most mentally stimulating interactions i have borne witness to. This is the legendary flow state many hope to seek!
Everything I needed was in this useful and beneficial interview. Both sides explained some parts which is very important in every person's life. Thanks from Robert and Tom that they made it.
Today, it's easy to live an easy life. It's hard to live a life of fulfillment. It's like everything is so good that I can't find a worthy cause to focus my attention. I do bodybuilding and that helps, but it still doesn't give fulfillment, it just serves as a distraction. I just want to be important in some way
My take on life is based on a few premises. One is a formula (Potential - Commitment = Nothing) the other is that "Repetition is the Mother of Skill" and finally develop the skill of persistence because persistence draws in luck or fate. As long as you're persistent you will always be in the right place and at the right time even though at times you may feel you're not, persistence will eventually show the way.
Interesting. A few weeks ago I began deleting chat rooms and overall unsubscribing from everything, including the news, which in my opinion is the biggest syop on the planet. He’s right, start focusing on what you’re doing and stop the distractions. Just not watching yhe news for the past 10 days has been liberating.
truly from the bottom of my heart thank you Robert & Tom for putting this out. I faced a wall for the last couple months but this opened some doors inside my mind and helped me find answers. god bless both of you
I have to agree -- the two of you are definitely saying the same thing, just looking at it from a different perspective. Chicken vs egg perhaps, but still the same thing. You two both rock!
I have never seen Tom so rude with anyone. I totally agree with Robert’s message and respect Tom but very disrespectful behaviour towards Robert when he said the same things in different ways.
It was even worse when he interviewed Robert Greene and he didn’t even read the first chapter of Human Nature. That was an even worse debacle. I’m surprised Mr. Greene came back. OMG!! Telling this guy how great his life is while he can’t move the left half of his body is beyond disrespectful. Cringe 😖
It was an uninteresting twist for the podcast for sure. They could have had a way more interesting talk but to me this was a stagnant repetition of the same old stuff. The only thing I liked was that they took into account a sense of nihilism that seems to be creeping in with the technological era we’re in but again not very interesting conversation. Rob looked tired and Tom just looked underprepared and didn’t really come into it with the mentality of diving deep into Rob’s intelligence. Instead it was somewhat mediocre and surface level convo.
Love his work, but I disagree with his philosophy of making mistakes and wrong choices. That's called living. We will never know the outcome of the choice we did not take. We get information about what's working or not by our desires and lack thereof. All we can do is make another choice.I started my journey (of course-correction) at age 40 and I'm still growing in my 60's. As long as you are growth minded, it never has to end. Dan Sullivan CEO of Strategic Coach is near 80 years old and still writing a book a quarter. It's all in who you hang around and what you see to be true. There is always time to have a good life once you decide to do so.
I'm a baby boomer--I worked hard for 25 years to get ahead, then lost it all because of a spouse who couldn't control his spending, then built my life back up over the next 15 years. Only at almost age 66 am I back to where I feel a small amount of financial security, and I'm still working hard. It seems like the generations behind us feel like it should be faster to get ahead, but that wasn't true in my life. I think the key is to notice how awful it is that you have to work so damned hard, but to work hard anyway, in spite of your resentments and self-pity, which were my constant companions on the journey.
What a daring vision to judge those of today, feeling superior as if they knew everything and already know what era we live in, since we are improvising a present totally different from the times before. 😝
Imagine going back in time to someone during the Great Depression, and saying, "Stop whining! People further back in history had it worse! At least you're not in the middle of the Black Death pandemic!" - or going to them during WW2 and saying, "Stop whining! At least you're not suffering the brutality of Genghis Khan and the Mongols!" -- that's how completely out of touch this guy and everyone like him are.
Its true. Why can't we fight for a better life just because literally 100 years ago they had it worse? Our dollar doesn't even go as far as it did in the Great Depression. Has he studied this in any meaningful way? We're in the middle of a revolution, we the people and working class are SO TIRED of being exploited and not given the basics like healthcare, affordable housing, affordable education, maternity/paternity rights on a federal level, corporate inflation, a used car is almost as much as a NEW CAR. It is WILD RIGHT NOW. We want more, I pay 25% in taxes but I can't ask for any of these basic things? I love Robert Greene but he is WRONG on this.
Wish we could have heard more of Robert's perspectives. I like you, Tom. For god's sake let the guests speak about their ideas. This one felt lopsided.
Pursue what you love, put in the time, been an artist from age 5, was,encouraged by awesome parents, studied graphic design, while painting , had amazing exhibits, sold my my work, Always wanted to print tshirts, so i did, had great success but country went into chaos, still doing it, still learning, animation, diy my own clothes, learned to play drums n other instruments, formed a band project with my best friend, till today. 10.000 + hours is real , 10 hours a day to master something . Become 50.000 in just a few years... Learned to play guitar, ukulele, piano, music production, theory (not fun) made my own flutes n didgeridoo, percussions, now i produce music for a channel just started at age 57!!! I paint n make music everyday, doing scales as i am watching this 😊. Great podcast. I do smoke weed but still up at 4am up n active n in bed at 9pm, is that a problem...😊 Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
Robert should perhaps stop using his one bedroom apartment in Santa Monica as an example of hard times😂. Shout out to all those currently splitting a house or apartment with roommates, or who are back/still at their parents' house. Or even homeless. We'll have a better hard times story after we turn this ship around💪.
Such a good episode. The only thing I disagree with is at 1:17ish- i don't agree that if you weren't developing skills for your "true calling" by the age of like 3, and found your true calling later in life, you were just half assing it....not everyone knows their calling or what they were meant to do (and is able to start mastering those skills) at a young age...just my opinion
"Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space is our power to choose our response. In our response lies our growth and our freedom." Viktor E. Frankl.
Excellent conversation. Thanks for sharing - doom scrolling is one of the worst habits in this decade. Similar to smoking, alcoholism or any other drug abuse.
Really good overall. In the end Robert was just saying if you end up doing what you were meant to do, it will have turned out that it was full of learning
I believe Tom has great structures in his podcast that's why I always come back but there's just one too many times where he makes the interview about him and his beliefs and his viewpoint and his ways of life we get it but this is an interview on someone else
About to turn 50 and the only thing that really hit was how fast it goes. 40-50 went in a blur. ''Time that gave doth now his gift confound''. With regards to purpose and wealth, some of the most miserable people I have ever met (I work in sales) have been very wealthy. Invariably, they seem to never be truly satisfied, possibly waiting for the epiphany of fulfillment to hit them.
I do not agree with "If you chose the wrong path...go back and find out where you went wrong and fix it" NO! You are where you are because of your choices that you made at the time, that what you thought was best for you. You did nothing wrong. Instead, move forward (Not back) and make a change! Make a course correction, yes, but don't go back. Life is moving forward. Think of where you are now and assess things and change what you want. Forward motion people! Peace out
i quit social media for 3 years cut off toxic families not minding what government do or think and now people think am mad and it makes me an Elite Master future Automotive Technician
I hate when Tom has great guests. I have to endure his poor interviewing, constant interruptions, talking about how disciplined he is, etc. oh well, here we go
For the record, he introduced the CONVERSATION and then didn’t speak again until 8:15. As an example. That’s somebody who listens and facilitates conversations. That’s why so many people keep tuning in because in spite of himself he mines his guests for great info, and they divulge it to someone who’s showing them it resonates and is respected.
I have been asked do you want to be a producer or consumer? This question alone magnifies my motives and makes interviews like this be the ah ha moment to keep going
I once came to the expression, about fait, renaming it as "universal predetermination", I think that is easier to handle for modern mindsets. Just as the term, 'god' can be easily replaced by Existence, if we remove our own limitations and any narcissistic pre-conceptions about what we understand, or can perceive of our 'existence'. Semantics, and also being a bit more humble about ourselves can provide a lot of strength, helping to remove limitations. ;) I was probably meant to write this, although I had to do it in order for it to be achieved .. maybe there's a paradox somewhere, I have no doubt that paradoxes are more common than we can acknowledge. I asked my daughter the other day, "Do your cells know who you are?" it was my way of explaining to her what a paradox can be... hopefully the next generation will be more mindful and open, without many of the biases our Western society assume as truths. :) love Robert Green, thank you for podcasting
Who like me feel anxiety and depression after watch the episode? , it’s good way to work on your right path, but if you try it and didn’t find it , it’s ok to continue on your job , it’s crazy if you quit job and you didn’t test the new path , especially when you have debt and family
when something uncomfortable or unpleasant happens, we look to take refuge in something. Usually we turn to food, alcohol, drugs, sex, money, power, or relationships. but none of these things gives us the lasting protection or satisfaction we are looking for… when you understand you can’t find happiness in samsara, then the desire to find true refuge becomes strong. in Buddhism, we take refuge in the 3 jewels: the Buddha, the dharma, and the sangha. the Buddha is like a doctor how understands your disease and knows how to treat it. the dharma, his teachings, is like the medicine he prescribes. the sangha is the spiritual community that helps you take the medicine. To take refuge is to finally seek protection from suffering in a way that can really help you. When we think about the ultimate nature of reality and what causes us to suffer, this is the true meaning of refuge. Success does not equal temporary material possessions and money. Success = spiritual liberation, moksha, rainbow bow body to escape rebirth in samsara
Women can also have adventures, learn from past mistakes and build something amazing, whether it’s a business, a career goal or another life interest. That journey to self actualization is not just for men.
telling people to stop complaining because your parents had to deal with WW2 while we're actively positioning the set up for WW3 is going to age pretty badly i'd say.
What a great interview, too many long ended questions though. I would hope it’s much easier to change careers when you don’t have too many responsibilities as a new career will take some time to pivot. However it’s encouraging to hear success stories.
