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ESS AudioDrive ES1868F - One of the best ISA Sound Cards for DOS Games 

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@LGR
@LGR 7 лет назад
Agreed completely, I've used ESS186x cards in dozens of DOS builds. Always been pleasantly surprised with games that are often hard to get sounding correct on other cards, even later SB16s. Nice to know some more technical reasons why it works!
@solarstrike33
@solarstrike33 6 лет назад
LGR! Good to know you're into Phil's content as well.
@TheMaxstpau
@TheMaxstpau 5 лет назад
Im currently building a Pentium 2 Wind98 machine and Compaq but ESS AudioDrive ES1868F on the motherboard ;)
@logansorenssen
@logansorenssen 7 лет назад
The Audiodrive is my favorite retro sound card. Yeah, Creatives have the name recognition, the cachet, etc, but really, I only really like the SB Pro 2.0, AWE64 and Audigy2 ZS. Otherwise, ESS all the way. I even like it better than the Audician32 (which is also quite good). It's fortunate that these cards are common as dirt, then! (They were in production for a long time. I remember seeing Pentium II and even some Athlon machines with ISA ESS1869s built into the motherboard. They were almost as common as Ensoniq 1371, and more common than ESS Solo-1.)
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
Haha good old AudioPCI, these cards just find me somehow, they pop up all over the place :D Yes these AudioDrive cards are cheap AND good. A real gem for anyone frustrated with higher prices on some retro parts.
@lucaspam
@lucaspam 7 лет назад
Eric Sprague Very interesting! Thanks for the info!
@nrg753
@nrg753 7 лет назад
That was my favourite ISA sound card back in the day. I actually miss it lol. The last time I used it was on a Duron 1000 and the motherboard had a single ISA slot.
@is2scooby
@is2scooby Год назад
Thank you for being such an amazing information resource for us retro computing folks!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab Год назад
Thank you 👍😊
@pipschannel1222
@pipschannel1222 2 года назад
My very first sound card was its older brother, an ESS688 based unit. I bought it for my Am486DX2-80 machine when I was 15 years old. I had to deliver a few papers to be able to afford it but it was one of my best purchases ever. Of course it's easy to please a 15 year old but my life changed because of this card. DooM came to life and I played it even more often ;-)
@Xotty
@Xotty 3 года назад
I used to have one of these back in the days. Brings back memories :) I remember that I loved this card.
@moruzx
@moruzx 7 лет назад
I had one ES1868 on my first computer. The configuration was: Cyrix 4x86 40MHz (a little beautiful green cpu) / 8MB SIMM / 400MB WD HDD / Cyrus Logic 1MB / ESS 1868 / MS-DOS. Later, when I've installed Windows 95, installing the driver for this card was my first challenge with MS Win 95. Also was the first driver I ever installed. Very very satisfactory sensation when I've managed to hear first Windows 95 sound :). Lost so many nights playing with this computer... great memoryes. You are doing a very nice job reviewing this old stuff. Keep up the good job, best wishes.
@antdude
@antdude 7 лет назад
I had ESS internal soundcards in my old (notebook/laptops) in the (19)90s.
@lilkuz2005
@lilkuz2005 7 лет назад
thanks Phil for going over the dos driver install , i was also using that same driver and couldn't change any settings, i will try the drivers you found when i get around to working on my pII machine, as always, awesome video, thanks again
@lameguy64
@lameguy64 7 лет назад
Oh, I had one of those but without the IDE CD-ROM and Wavetable connectors. I used to use it as my go-to sound card for OPL3 FM stuff until I switched to a Yamaha YMF724F when I found out that it had genuine OPL3 integrated into its chipset. The FM synth accuracy on the ES1868 is pretty close to a genuine OPL3 but there are some inaccuracies that are most notable when playing music that uses certain OPL3 tricks that take advantage of 4-op mode (such as OSKARI.A2m included with Adlib Tracker II, drum instruments sound like noise on ES1868). It was certainly more accurate than a Crystal sound card and Creative Lab's cards that use a CQM chip (their own OPL3 clone) instead of a proper OPL3 chip for FM synthesis.
@pentiummmx2294
@pentiummmx2294 6 месяцев назад
WHLCHAIR.DFM on ESS seems to have more of a dramatic difference than real OPL
@i486-u1n
@i486-u1n 7 лет назад
"If you want to see more videos like this, please let me know" Affirmative!
@telengardforever7783
@telengardforever7783 3 года назад
Nobody can convince me that any early ISA sound card even came close to my 1994 REVEAL Sound Blaster compatible sound card! That REVEAL sound card stood the test of time and lasted until the very last ISA slot in 2004. I miss that sound card. I would still use it today if I could.
@EvilTurkeySlices
@EvilTurkeySlices 8 месяцев назад
I have a Reveal CD-ROM drive. Wonder if it came as a pack in with that card. It’s a Panasonic interface drive.
@amberselectronics
@amberselectronics 2 года назад
Just had to chime in and say I also love these, my first computer I personally owned was a Compaq LTE with one of these in it and that’s what I grew up playing DOS games on, and I still think it’s my favorite FM synth of them all
@FoxMulder78
@FoxMulder78 5 лет назад
*Right! Let's go adventuring!* _Right! Let's go adventuring!_ *Right! Let's go adventuring!* _Right! Let's go adventuring!_
@smallmj2886
@smallmj2886 3 года назад
I really liked the AOpen AW 32 Pro that I had in my first computer. Good compatibility and a built in wavetable. I still remember the moment I switched Tie Fighter from OPL3 to General Midi for the music. The difference was amazing.
@Fodi_be
@Fodi_be 2 года назад
I was lucky to have an ESS AudioDrive 1868 in my 486DX2 in the 90s. Good times.
@S1278-q9f
@S1278-q9f 7 лет назад
I like how every game sounded different with other soundchips :D
@Telepatok
@Telepatok 7 лет назад
Quality video as always! Thanks Phil. This was my very first soundcard, back on my 386, carried on till the Pentium era. Now I got one for my DOS build. Great card, highly recommend it for its value.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
+Telepatok Yes they are amazing value :D Not everything retro needs to be expensive!
@SireSquish
@SireSquish 7 лет назад
It's very interesting to see you showing these things side by side with other cards, because in their day I remember frequently running into issues with ESS cards. Mostly it would be problems with drivers in win 9x, and earned them the title "extremely shitty sound" in the local circle. Maybe we judged them unfairly?
@tdebug1
@tdebug1 Год назад
They in fact were shitty sounding cards. But it depends what you are comparing to. ESS cards were affordable and to have one was much, much better than PC speaker. But compared to the proper (and sadly, much more expensive) cards, ESS was just at the bottom. We got what we paid for.
@ATomRileyA
@ATomRileyA Год назад
I had some kind of ESS card and remember the similar problems back in the day.
@n646n
@n646n 21 день назад
@@tdebug1 It doesn't sound very shitty to me.
@tdebug1
@tdebug1 21 день назад
@@n646n it isn't a bad device as such just the cheapest of the cheap and sound accordingly. Once you compare it to something more decent like a SoundBlaster card, the difference is striking. Back in 90s I had it my PC for at least 3 years, because I couldn't afford any better.
@n646n
@n646n 20 дней назад
@@tdebug1 Striking? Yes, all those hanging notes and DMA clicks and duke nukem slowdowns really show how much better soundblaster cards are. Not to mention how much better ESFM is compared to regular OPL. The only tradeoff is slightly inaccurate regular FM, but even that sounds better to some as well and is barely even noticeable.
@eightbit1975
@eightbit1975 2 года назад
Phil, as always great advice and excellent support to the community by way of the very useful driver files on your website. Thanks for your many contributions to the vintage PC community. I for one certainly appreciate your work!
@Boojakascha
@Boojakascha 6 лет назад
Just spent two days installing a Sound Blaster VIBRA16 into my main system. I was very disappointed about it's limited compatibility. I found your channel watching the SB16 ASP (CT1740) video. I now ordered a ESS. Thanks a lot Phil, I subscribed =)
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
What compatibility issues did you encounter? The Creative cards do have their flaws, but compatibility is usually 100%.
@Boojakascha
@Boojakascha 6 лет назад
Mostly problems with Doom. Other games work fine. Doom does have music but no FM effects in DOS 6.22, and has FM effects but no music in DOS 7.1 and Windows 98. I tried all Doom releases from 1.1 to 1.19, shareware and full versions.
@alritedave
@alritedave 6 лет назад
I've done the same lol.
@CaptainDangeax
@CaptainDangeax 6 лет назад
Sold a lot of those cards in my computer shop between 1997 and 1999, never had compatibility problem. One of the best, if not the best soundblaster emulation for dos gaming.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
Thanks for the info!
@CaptainDangeax
@CaptainDangeax 6 лет назад
I won a lot of clients over other computer shops in the city. First, I was the only one to stay open in august. Second, I changed a lot of bad sound cards, like advance 100, OPTi, SC6600, and replaced them with ESS, or for the more wealthy real sound blaster.
@stephensalex
@stephensalex 3 года назад
This was my first sound card. I ran that in my AST Advantage 486 SX 33 with MS-DOS 5 and Windows 3.1!
@bigguy4871
@bigguy4871 Год назад
I agree. All of my ESS cards work flawless in dos. I always found the sound blasters very finicky. ESS are the best!!!
@BaudBand
@BaudBand 7 лет назад
I actually installed this exact card in to a machine yesterday. I quite like the ESS based cards, and there are lots of variants - I've got some with clipping LED's and much more complex output stages too.
@CristiBucerzan
@CristiBucerzan 7 лет назад
My first ever soundcard(1997) was from BTC,a ISA soundcard,model name was 1815 it had an Opti sound chip on it,sounded ok back then,also using a ESS 1869 chip ISA soundcard in one of my windows 95 retro machine.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
Nice! I haven't heard of them before, but their site is awesome as they still have all the drivers. I downloaded ever single one of them, because you never know when they pull them,
@RetroTinkerer
@RetroTinkerer 7 лет назад
Yey to videos about cheap options that allow us to enjoy old games!
@mtunayucer
@mtunayucer 7 лет назад
I really do not understand how you are still stuck with below 100k subs. RU-vid algorithm and clickbairts suck so hard. I just want to let you know that you deserve a ton more subs. By the way will you review fx5900xt?
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
Thank you! We'll get there, I rather do videos that we enjoy, than chasing views and subs. Yes I will review the FX5900XT soon, but I've got a few videos I got to produce first.
@mtunayucer
@mtunayucer 7 лет назад
PhilsComputerLab alright! I just bought fx5900xt for my athlon xp 2000+ and i wonder what are your opinions about this card :)
@CSIG1001
@CSIG1001 7 лет назад
PhilsComputerLab start doing 15 min let's play videos.
@GdotWdot
@GdotWdot 7 лет назад
The algorithm is completely useless now. Nowadays I have to literally click random people in comment sections to find new small channels to watch.
@duncanward6226
@duncanward6226 7 лет назад
Great video - loved the demonstrations that showed how incompatibilities sound, that's a great touch.
@alexstephens6554
@alexstephens6554 5 лет назад
This was my first sound card. I grew up listening to Doom, Heretic, and Hexen on this card. Great sound!
@alexstephens6554
@alexstephens6554 5 лет назад
Love your videos, thanks. Keep up the great work mate!
@Saphykitten
@Saphykitten 7 лет назад
Been waiting for this video since you mentioned it on Facebook. Thanks Phil!
@craigpilkington4323
@craigpilkington4323 4 года назад
Watching this video again, after finally getting around to putting my 98 rig together (Aopen AX6BC, P3 1GHz, 120GB SSHD, 256MB RAM, SBLive, ESS AudioDrive 1868)... not there yet, but looking to set up in the next week. Don't stop doing what you're doing with these superb videos. Thank you man!!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 4 года назад
That is a very fast machine for DOS :) What games are you looking at playing?
@craigpilkington4323
@craigpilkington4323 4 года назад
PhilsComputerLab this will be my 98 rig. I’ve got a HP T610 for DOSBox and ScummVM (running under Windows 7) 😃
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 4 года назад
@@craigpilkington4323 Ah ok that makes sense! For Windows 98 I would go with something else though... Aureal Vortex 2, SB Live, Audigy or Audigy 2 and maybe Turtle Beach Santa Cruz. All of them have basic DOS sound.
@craigpilkington4323
@craigpilkington4323 4 года назад
@@philscomputerlab yep, if you look at the spec above, I have the SBLive in the 98 rig :) Cannot wait to replay my 2 favourite games ever: Thief the Dark Project and Thief the Metal Age. I'm actually looking at the Creative Live Drive right now on eBay to hook up to the SBLive.... hmmm, decisions :)
@craigpilkington4323
@craigpilkington4323 4 года назад
I should have said, I bought the ESS AudioDrive to put into one of the ISA slots, figuring that it would be great for when I run DOS games under DOS mode in Win98. What do you think? I've based that on the fact that you recommended the ESS in a previous video as being fantastic for DOS gaming? I've also got a Dreamblaster S2 to add onto the Wavetable header.
@thecaptain2281
@thecaptain2281 7 лет назад
+PhilsComputerLab 1:58 That's actually a pre-amp input designed for a spread spectrum equalizer addon. The reason you could hear sound but at a very muffled volume is because that input expects a higher power input.
@RetroAmateur1989
@RetroAmateur1989 3 года назад
I just cracked open a computer which had one in it! Looked it up and this is the first video I stumble on.
@whiskeyjuliet
@whiskeyjuliet 7 лет назад
PhilsComputerLab That un-amplified four pin header connector is the PC speaker pass-through port.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
Are you 100% sure have you tried it? Because the PC speaker signal is quite "hot" and I have fried stuff because of it before. The PC SPK is usually just a 2 pin header.
@abigailpatridge2948
@abigailpatridge2948 7 лет назад
There are 4 pin PC SPK headers, I even remember having bought a few cases that used one and came with adapters to the far more dominant 2 pin format. I suspect brand new these cards prolly came with a 4 to 2 pin adapter if Whiskey's right, for similar reasons that most cases that had 4 pin speakers had the adapter for motherboards with 2 pin headers.
@Tegelane5
@Tegelane5 4 года назад
@@philscomputerlab Those might be pins for volume controller, like ESS Es1698 had. Picture of that card: newauctionstatic.com.ua/offer_images/2016/10/12/02/big/4/4hIy8OVJb89/zvukovaja_karta_ess_es1698fc_isa.jpg
@International_Criminal_Court
@International_Criminal_Court 4 года назад
Great instructions, great video! Thanks for this.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 4 года назад
You're welcome!
@cybercat1531
@cybercat1531 7 лет назад
3:26 That sound gave me chills & flashbacks to a different time. Loved this video!
@adventureFAN
@adventureFAN 6 лет назад
Thank you Phil for the tip! Really a good ISA soundcard for a low price. Together with a Dreamblaster S2 it is simply amazing. Thank you, thank you very much. My Win98-Rig is now complete: Abit VH6-II Motherboard 1000 MHz Pentium III 256 SD-RAM GeForce2 MX400 (GeForce 256 is to expensive) ES1868F ISA Soundcard + Dreamblaster S2
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
Nice, it really is a great combo.
@cazb73
@cazb73 2 года назад
Years ago, when I was young and dumb (it persists) I was underestimating these ESS, 'cos it is not a Soundblaster.' :D
@wocko1
@wocko1 7 лет назад
Phil, now that is another trip down memory lane. My brother's Pentium 90 had one of these bad boys, before that he had an ESS688. It worked flawlessly for our DOS games. FM sound was spot on. I am surprised that this actually performed better than the SB16. Before the ESS, we had a MediaVision Thunderboard. That was a total POS
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
Nice :D
@bigfootape
@bigfootape 7 лет назад
The ES688 CODEC uses an external FM synth. Usually it used a genuine OPL3 or an illegal clone (which actually sounds exactly the same), so ES688 cards are quite nice..
@BeerBaron23
@BeerBaron23 6 лет назад
Badass! Now just have to find a dealer that has these highly illegal sound chips!
@CoreyDeWalt
@CoreyDeWalt 2 года назад
Mine doesn't have the ide controller sadly, but it does still show up in devices for some reason. This is a really good sound card, thanks for encouraging me to use mine that I've had for 17 years in storage and providing the drivers on your website!
@ghoulflier1016
@ghoulflier1016 5 лет назад
Great video. I was about buying an expensive Soundblaster 32 but now I've got this one for 9€ on eBay :-D
@eightbit1975
@eightbit1975 2 года назад
I picked up the Labway version of the same ESS ES1868F after watching this video. The Labway version is a little more robust and has metal audio connectors vs plastic. Not a big deal but I always loved when they were metal :) This chip is fantastic. It sounds so good in everything. I was using a SB16 previously but it has the MPU-401 bug which is very annoying since I use a SoundCanvas. This card is just as good (actually to me it sounds better) and no bug. Excellent card and I would never have known without your video Phil. And, of course the drivers you found and thankfully have shared with everyone work perfectly. Thank you again!
@sokmunky4104
@sokmunky4104 Год назад
I found one of these in an old Compaq years ago. I just had it in a draw because I thought it was a cheap card. It is the ES1869 variant and has Compaq written on it, but I just put it in one of my old systems and it sounds great.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab Год назад
Yes the Compaq ESS cards are very solid.
@facoffee
@facoffee 7 лет назад
No wonder Phil likes this sound card.. it has his name written on it!
@Dex99SS
@Dex99SS 7 лет назад
This is my favorite video ever, just because of the kindle... My god, that display.... So good.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
+Brett Prior LOL I might use it more often. I finally found a use for it, it was gathering dust :(
@damocles5047
@damocles5047 5 лет назад
wow, this is crazy man! i didnt have an isa sound card back then, do you remember onboard sound blaster? lol! port 220 dma1 irq 7 LOLOL those were the days!
@frun
@frun Год назад
I was aiming to buy a cheap audio card and bought this for 10$, back in the 96'. I had no idea it was good. My expectation at the time was: sb pro>sb16>ess1868 🙂
@Ace9921
@Ace9921 7 лет назад
Happen to have that exact AudioDrive ES1868F variant in my sound card collection, heh. As much as I'm a stickler for genuine OPL3, ESFM isn't half bad, and I'd much rather use that than CQM, which has far more numerous and more obvious imperfections compared to genuine OPL3. One thing I noticed with the ES1868F and ES1869F-based sounds cards is that there could be some pretty wild variances between different cards. My ISA sound card collection contains six different ES1868Fs and ES1869Fs, some of which have noticeable differences in their overall output. A few of them has some noticeable high-pass filtering, and they are lacking in bass as a result. One ES1868F, in particular, which looks like some cheap generic crap on a thin, orange PCB actually has the loudest audio output of any of these, so loud that if I set the mixer volume too high, the sound clips quite horribly. It looks to me like a card with a speaker amp that cannot be bypassed, but I'll tell you what, this is my AudioDrive of choice. Unfortunately, I haven't had very good results with the wavetable header. Most of these have really stupidly placed headers, but in every single one of these that I remember testing, the volume of the wavetable header was EXTREMELY high and would cause distortion on my XR385. Perhaps adding a voltage divider, or at least a pull-down resistor directly at the input, would have been a good idea on these cards. The way all 6 of my cards are designed, the wavetable header inputs have the potential to pick up a fair amount of noise from the lack of any pull-down resistors to prevent the inputs from floating.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
I've only briefly tested with the DreamBlaster S2. The X2 has flash memory, and you can program the volume it outputs. I'll check the next ESS card that I want to test, it's a 1869, for DOS there shouldn't be any difference, in Windows it does a higher sample rate and it has some 3D processing, but apart from that it should be similar. Actually that card, doesn't even have a wavetable board LOL It's s super minimalistic Compaq Premiere Audio card :D
@ag.4937
@ag.4937 5 лет назад
I have ESS Edison Gold... That was awesome time.
@jdebultra
@jdebultra Год назад
I use one that is IBM branded on my OS/2 machine. It works great in OS/2, WIN/OS/2, and DOS/OS/2.
@MasterMWL
@MasterMWL 5 лет назад
Also the 93C66 slot is for an optional EEPROM for storing PNP settings. The empty QX2130 spot is for a "Sound Expander" for "widened" or "spatial" audio. It also includes a bass boost. Adding this would need a few extra electrolytic capacitors.
@poseidon3032
@poseidon3032 5 лет назад
My dad gave me an old mid-tower box with an AMD 386 DX-40Mhz CPU along with a monochrome monitor (1995). So I went to work right away in upgrading, starting with a color monitor (SVGA). I bought a soundcard that ended up being an ESS-based model. It had a music synthesizer program that had a graphical piano keys that were mapped to the keyboard. I played Wolfenstein and Panzer General. Once I got a hold of Doom and X-Wing, then it was clear that I needed a major upgrade. I didn't have a lot of money, but I manage to find a decent 486 motherboard and loaded it with an AMD 486DX-80 Mhz CPU, along with a flightstick. Now Doom and X-Wing playable. I later upgraded it to an AMD 486-120Mhz CPU, Windows 95, and SCSI CD-ROM drive and played MYST. Good times.
@tugw9125
@tugw9125 6 лет назад
I just happen to have this card in my collection tho never knew much about it till now. I am adding this one in along side my SB16 CT2290. Don't suppose would be any conflicts. Thanks for this great video and providing the drivers.
@TheDeeplyCynical
@TheDeeplyCynical 7 лет назад
I always wondered why the digital sound crashes in Duke Nnukem 2 on my Audician 32, now i know.
@Rouxenator
@Rouxenator 7 лет назад
Awesome card and video! My first sound car was the ES 1688, used it for many years.
@directionlessstudios7210
@directionlessstudios7210 7 лет назад
Great thorough video! I have the ES1898F in one of my builds. I like the sound of it as opl clones go. I love all your DOS stuff... hope you never run out of new content in the category. :)
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
+Directionless I will always do DOS stuff, but I also love Windows 98, XP, 10 LOL A lot of stuff interest me, but I will always do some DOS stuff :D
@directionlessstudios7210
@directionlessstudios7210 7 лет назад
PhilsComputerLab for sure.. I like that too (I was playing 1080p GTA III on a low profile dual-core XP build this past weekend) :D I just will be glad to see you find new ways for DOS content as well! I’m glad you’re doing what you like. :)
@abigailpatridge2948
@abigailpatridge2948 7 лет назад
Thanks for doing a video I requested! Yeah, you're right, it's not the same as a Yamaha, but I think I like it.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
Yea I wanted to check out the AudioDrive ages ago! So much to do, so little time :D
@amberbutitta7261
@amberbutitta7261 6 лет назад
Hey, Phil! Looking at my Union brand ES1869F, the three CD audio inputs are labeled: the bare four-pin header is "Sony" while the two white, caged inputs are labeled "Mitsumi" and "Panasonic" respectively... my guess is that the card is expecting different source levels from those different inputs and that's why you only barely heard any audio when you plugged your CDROM into the second white port. As always, great video! Thanks for making it!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
Yea, not sure why I didn't make the connection back when I filmed the video :D The connectors also have different pinouts it seems.
@srideepprasad
@srideepprasad 4 года назад
I actually had the ES1869 “AudioDrive” soundcard in my old 350Mhz Pentium II...It seemed to producer very pleasant and “warm” sound, even better than my SB16, which seemed clinical and soulless ..Later I tried a RightMark Audio Test, and it seemed that the card was adding way too much even harmonic distortion, which actually sounds good.. Guess it proves how subjective “good” sound is.. One big issue though was the lack of WaveTable synthesis...The Microsoft GS Wavetable synth was absolutely hopeless. Remedied it with Yamaha YSXG100 SoftSynth and Roland Sound Canvas VSC 55..Those days internet was slow..31.6KBPs is what I generally used to get on a good day, and instrumental midi files were a great option.
@bamdadkhan
@bamdadkhan 4 года назад
after my SB vibra16 died on me and i had to get another for a fortune which turned out to be the PnP variant and setting it up was a pain in the arse.. this should work wonders in my DOS+Win95 buid. cheers Phil. : )
@s8wc3
@s8wc3 7 лет назад
i think these cards sound better than the Sb16! also check out the terratec profimedia gold 16/96. it's an ess 1868 card with much better quality, i think a built in wavetable chip as well as better looks!
@Lachlant1984
@Lachlant1984 6 лет назад
I liked the way you pronounced Wolfenstein. Speaking of Wolfenstein, doesn't Wolfenstein 3D use FM sounds for things like collecting ammunition and health and other items and only use digitised sounds for things like gunfire and enemy sounds and things like that?
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
Yup I think that's what's happening!
@Thohean
@Thohean 7 лет назад
I always go for the ESS cards. They are cheaper than the sound blaster and are compatible with pretty much everything in DOS and windows. Compaq computers used them in a lot of their computers. If you have a P2 or P3 compaq with onboard sound, it's probably an ESS chip. I'm using an ESS 1869 in my DOS machine and have had zero issues with it.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
I will check out the 1869 soon, but want to review a Sound Blaster 16 under DOS. Demonstrate some of the issues you can run into.
@Wushu-viking
@Wushu-viking 7 лет назад
I have the older ESS 1688i n my DOS PC. I really like the OPL3 sound is this "Clone". DOS games sounds like my first PC back in 95 with a SB Pro 2 (the real Yamaha OPL3) The MPU401 is great option in the ESS.
@VipreNZ
@VipreNZ 4 года назад
I had one of these sound cards. It was perfectly functional but wow, the hiss..
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 4 года назад
Really? It's actually a really quiet card.
@ruxandy
@ruxandy 3 года назад
@@philscomputerlab, it can be a noisy or a quiet card. Unfortunately, the ES1868/1869 chipset was used on both high quality boards, as well as very low quality, cheap boards with terrible amplifiers. I myself have ten or more. Half of them are great, the other half are noisy as hell. However, if you disable the onboard amplifier and use external amplification the problem is mostly fixed.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 3 года назад
@@ruxandy Yea I always disable the amplifier :)
@ВиталийКонь-д8ц
@ВиталийКонь-д8ц 4 года назад
my first sound card
@Dukefazon
@Dukefazon Год назад
Neat, I just found a card at my local flea market, I got it for around $1.46, I think I got a good deal :) Now I just have to test it and see if it works. So far I haven't encountered a sound card that didn't work so I'm not really worried about that.
@TheRetroRaven
@TheRetroRaven 7 лет назад
I used to own the SB16, and I never had any issues with clicks or weird sounds. Can you upload or direct me to some examples? you mentioned Wolfenstein 3D which at that time was exactly what I was playing (a lot).
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
Good idea, I have plans to make a video about this. Thanks for reminding me! The clicks can be quite subtle.
@lucaspam
@lucaspam 7 лет назад
It depends on the model of the sb16 you are using. There are differences accordingly to the models. It's very annoying.
@alritedave
@alritedave 6 лет назад
My DOS machine has an SB16 Vibra. For the most part it's fine, but some games have slight issues. DOTT has some minor sound quality issues with voices. Nothing terrible though.
@tankjr85
@tankjr85 6 лет назад
I have this sound card in my Pentium 200 MMX retro Windows98 machine and in Windows it just works with the default drivers from Windows98, both sound and music but when I open a DOS game like Doom I only get sound but no music. I then installed the DOS drivers with the setting you are showing in the video and then both music and sound are working in DOS but as I boot on Windows and run Doom i only get music but no sound anymore. Thank You for the great job you're doing helping us retro hardware sick :)
@Nabekukka
@Nabekukka 7 лет назад
One of my friends had his gpu die on his C2D desktop, and while we were hunting for a suitable replacement, he came to me with a bag full of components, so I had a look at them, him being totally clueless about anything related to PC's, I had to break the bad news to him that all of the stuff was way too old and could not be used to help him. However for me, that bag of hardware was a gold mine. Mobo + Pentium 133 MMX + RAM, a Diamond Voodoo 2, a couple of old HDD's and some other misc stuff. Needless to say that told him I'm more than happy to take them off his hands. Haven't had a chance to test them out yet though because I don't have a suitable power supply. What PSU would you recommend and where should I look for one?
@i486-u1n
@i486-u1n 7 лет назад
You should have charged him a nominal fee for "disposal"
@Slay1337pl
@Slay1337pl 7 лет назад
A cheap one. I'm not kidding, you could look for some older PSUs or get one of these no-name brands as they usually come with a strong 5V rail. Just... Be careful, don't want them blowing up on you.
@cappaculla
@cappaculla 7 лет назад
Bought one of those adapters for a 486 rebuild that has a fried PSU, finding a replacement PSU would be impossible without it.
@cappaculla
@cappaculla 7 лет назад
Bought one of those adapters for a 486 rebuild that has a fried PSU, finding a replacement PSU would be impossible without it.
@TheShivABC
@TheShivABC 5 лет назад
That jack that you could only get faint audio from with your cd-rom is actually an output header for internal speakers, common on some hp and packard bell computers
@PiercedJedi
@PiercedJedi 7 лет назад
Back in the day I always went with Creative brand cards (even those without SB chips) just cause I new they would work better when it came to drivers, however I knew the ESS cards were good quality so if I didn't have the option to get a Creative card I'd settle for the ESS cards. However, by the time I was building computers nobody I knew really used DOS for gaming anymore so I never had to fiddle around with all the config.sys & autoexec.bat settings cause Win95 would handle all the settings... I do remember the first time I went from a basic sound card to a high end one with a good midi wave table built in and game music or even .midi files went from sounding like electronic music to sounding like real instruments though and that's when I realized there was more to sound card quality than just the drivers...
@Oldsukerbole
@Oldsukerbole 7 лет назад
Thanks for the review. I indeed noticed a lot of pops with the sb16 on certain games. Will try this out... Thanks.
@crusader2.0_loading89
@crusader2.0_loading89 6 лет назад
Hands down agree with you, excellent card, wish I could find one now, to think I threw so many away in the past...sigh
@andyrain4404
@andyrain4404 4 года назад
@OhilsComputerLab, can you share DOS drivers (config utils) again? Link not alive. Thanks!
@47ex1
@47ex1 3 года назад
Same question here 🖐️
@38911bytefree
@38911bytefree 7 лет назад
I have a COMPAQ PREMIERE SOUND ISA card that is ESS, almost sure that the same chipset. They came with the Deskpro 2000 Desktop Series, probably a bit old for a PCI machine, but, yep, nice sound and the Compaq comes with a 3.5W amplifier as well.
@georgez8859
@georgez8859 6 лет назад
I just bought an ASUS P5A Motherboard and the seller gave me this exact sound card. P5A Motherboard with a K6-2 300 CPU and the Sound card U.S. 20.00 dollars for all
@modernandretrogaming
@modernandretrogaming 7 лет назад
I have same card like yours but my only mainboard with ISA slots died shortly before I get that card :( And that was board with Socket 370 like yours which died. Thank you for movie, now I know what my card can do :) And my card have few chips more.
@eltecladistadeloeste
@eltecladistadeloeste 5 лет назад
I just got one of these for around 1U$D xD revision 1.3a, a bit smaller but with the same ES1868F chip. Im gonna test it on my Pentium II this night
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 5 лет назад
Very nice, it's a rock solid card!
@tetsujin_144
@tetsujin_144 2 года назад
15:30 - "It's not a soundblaster, it's not 100% soundblaster compatible" Honestly... I just got back into DOS gaming and was thrilled to find an old 486 system with a Soundblaster 16 and a real OPL3... But then I started learning about the problems with the Soundblaster cards and I feel kind of let down by them, like I finally met a childhood hero and learned that they're actually kind of disappointing. Like the DMA popping in audio playback, or the slowdown when using MIDI and digital audio... Back in the 90s I had a Gravis card, I enjoyed it but compatibility was always a problem, and I thought if anything would be trouble-free it'd be a good ol' Sound Blaster... And it really doesn't seem like that's the case. I don't regret picking up the Sound Blaster 16 cards that I've got, but here I am looking into alternatives...
@emotionz3
@emotionz3 2 года назад
Ditto. The problem with Creative ISA cards is you can't win. Every single model has some drawback. As everyone has mentioned, the AWE64's are about as perfect as they get, but you lose two things that every previous AWE and even SoundBlaster had: a wavetable header and in the case of AWE, easy memory expansion. Of course the ESS cards are not completely perfect (most of them have sbpro reversed audio bug like many clones and even some of creatives own cards) but that's actually fixable with some ESS cards.
@playtech7165
@playtech7165 4 года назад
I was looking for sound cards and I found a Genius Ess Audiodrive Es1868f Isa for USD 2 plus USD 2,85 shipping. Surely I will buy it to have sound with doom, duke3D, screamer rally, tyrian 2000, sim city 2000, and others.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 4 года назад
Nice bargain!
@playtech7165
@playtech7165 4 года назад
@@philscomputerlab Finally I negotiated with the seller, and he sold me an amd 5x86 processor with a motherboard, and 16mb of ram, a pentium 233 with a motherboard, the sound card, the cable for audio cd, an AT to PS2 adapter, all working, all by USD 8.33 plus USD 3,50 of shipping
@krzbrew
@krzbrew 4 года назад
In the nineties I was always told to get a Creative SoundBlaster or YAMAHA based card instead of ESS. ESS were rumored to have some inaccuracies with the games. So never had one to verify whether the statements were true.
@jeremyjohnson8844
@jeremyjohnson8844 6 лет назад
Indeed! ESS was great.
@lburbo23
@lburbo23 6 лет назад
Hi, Phil. I just got my hands on one of these cards. The layout is slightly different, and it came with the MIDI extension daughterboard. If it at all helps the two analog audio inputs on mine are labeled CREATIVE and MITSUMI. There is also an audio interface for Sony as well.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
Thanks. Yea I think with the CD input, they are wired differently. So that's why there are several of them.
@sergheiadrian
@sergheiadrian 7 лет назад
Hi Phil, you should check out Reality Adlib Tracker when testing sound cards under DOS.
@MasterMWL
@MasterMWL 5 лет назад
If it's similar to another ES1868F board that I see on eBay, the reason that one of the white plugs didn't work is that it seems they're all specific to one pinout, since I guess not all CD audio cables were the same. One is labelled Mitsumi and one is Creative. There is also a non-shrouded one is for Sony, and I can't read the others. The one I am looking at is FCCID# L6NS611
@MasterMWL
@MasterMWL 5 лет назад
Okay, I have it in hand. I was incorrect in guessing that they were more than 3 CD Audio connectors. The other headers on my card (the ones that aren't Sony, Creative and Mitsumi, beside the audio jacks) are actually headers for each corresponding jacks; they are not populated on your card there. They just put left and right on the outer two pins (except mic), and ground on the inner two pins of each header.
@mbe102
@mbe102 7 лет назад
Holy shit, that is the best view of a kindle I've seen :O. Now I definitely want one :O.
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
+Stadium ARTs LOL I bought it a year or two ago and hardly used it! But it's great. I do wish I've spent more for the one with the light, but now I have found a good use for it :D
@TechieZeddie
@TechieZeddie 7 лет назад
PhilsComputerLab Maybe make a video on all known issues on Sound Blaster series. I always wanted the best SB card when they came out but I never knew they harbored issues. I always thought they were the best and the standard for computer audio, but while building my retro PC, I found out they all have issues that kept them from being the perfect sound card for retro gaming. I ended up with the Yamaha, and I hope to get an ESS based card sometime. The funny thing is lots of OEMs shipped with ESS based cards and I always thought they were inferior. Oh how wrong I was!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
Back in the day, I had no clue about any of this. Later I had an AWE64 card and again, I never noticed anything about not having an OPL3 and sounding different. I was always happy :D It was only much later that I started reading and researching about the differences. If you look long enough you realise there is no perfect sound card and that it's a case of looking at each game to determine what is the "best".
@techstormster
@techstormster 7 лет назад
Great Video. I just ordered myself an ES1869F. Should I expect any differences? Also I have a question. I see some of these cards have an empty space for an ES692. Is that something can be added on to these cards if a source is found for those chips?
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
Only under Windows, higher 48 KHz and some 3D processing. Not sure about adding an ES692, could be interesting though!
@thomasr.1677
@thomasr.1677 5 лет назад
Hey Phil, don't know if anyone wrote allready in those 271 comments so I'll do it: the audio header that did not work for your optical drive is not an input. It is a speaker output for mpc. Greetings, Tom
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 5 лет назад
Thanks for the correction!
@Nizerifin
@Nizerifin 7 лет назад
More like this, please
@smg4gaming-poppyfromdreamw136
@smg4gaming-poppyfromdreamw136 5 лет назад
Better than My MATE Vince since your outro music is amazing.
@rychuwstg
@rychuwstg 7 лет назад
i have this card in ibm t20. in dos is horrible in windows sounds crazy
@stephenkennedy6358
@stephenkennedy6358 4 года назад
Hi Phil liked your video. I have a similar sound card but with a 1869F chipset is there any difference.
@logipilot
@logipilot 4 года назад
I just took my beloved Audigy out and put an ESS 1869 in for DOS games and I ordered some mpu401 cable to try midi music in games. (Any recommendations?) I am still searching for a terratec xlr8 with A3D. (I sold one 20 years ago, oh my...)
@CSIG1001
@CSIG1001 7 лет назад
Just bought 2 Sound blaster pro 2.0 CT1600 own 3 total now. Might recapp them with some good Nichicon audio caps in the future. Might be a interesting project
@armorgeddon
@armorgeddon 7 лет назад
Recap just for fun or did they fail?
@RavageReeves
@RavageReeves Год назад
Can you do a video comparing sb16 card CT 2890 Vs the Ess1868, Vs Yamaha 71X , Vs Aztec 2316, and Vs the Awe32 and Awe64
@PeTTs0n88
@PeTTs0n88 6 лет назад
I gotta say I agree - the ES1868 is a great allround ISA card! I have one (bare minimum (i.e. no amplifier, no wavetable header, no IDE) Compaq OEM version) in a P1 166MHz, and one (with all the bells and whistles, Binaura 3D version) in a Dell P2 350MHz. Have tested several other ISA cards over the past few months, and I gotta say, when peeling away the nostalgia - original SB16 cards aren't all that great. It may be dependant on the version, as there were a few million, but the three different ones I tested had average sound quality (this was the biggest bummer - sound seemed so flat and tinny, very lifeless), some bugs (hanging note and pops and cracks in some games, mainly), so I looked for alternatives. ES1868F delivered, definitely. Would love an SB AWE32 or 64 Gold, but they are very pricey compared to an ES1868 or similar SB compatibles. Other noteworthy mentions include a Crystal CS4236b (decent overall sound, swapped stereo though, and very quiet synthesizer on my card - even when bumping up the volume to full in the mixer application, drivers are ok) and an Avance Logic (Realtek nowadays) ALS100+. I gotta say, that ALS100+ can give the ES1868F a run for its money - impressive sound quality, sounds a lot deeper and richer than the SB16, and it works very well in terms of compatibility (can do both SB16 and SBPro), drivers are great. Would love to see you check out an ALS100/100+/200!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
I see what I can do! I think I have a similar Compaq no thrills card, it works great for DOS, but the missing joystick port is a bummer.
@PeTTs0n88
@PeTTs0n88 6 лет назад
Love trying out the different SB clones though - there are an absolute ton of them! :) And if one has the time (and some money and/or spare cards), gems can be found among them! Oh what I wouldn't do for a GUS or a Soundscape... On a budget though, the ALS100+ was a pleasant surprise for sure! Your videos are an inspiration when tinkering with old stuff - some ideas to borrow and some things to do differently because of tastes or lack of the same components. I still owe you for opening my eyes to the fantastic Gotek floppy emulator!
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 6 лет назад
The next card I want to review is from Terratec, a retro sound card from Germany. Quite affordable as well. Really looking forward to that one! GOTEK FTW! I hope someone makes something similar for CDs and DVDs.
@PeTTs0n88
@PeTTs0n88 6 лет назад
Ohh, remember playing around with a few Terratec cards (both sound and other stuff) back when - haven't seen one in years though! Interesting! If you get your hands on a C-Media CMI8330A, would love to hear some thoughts on that as well - never got my hands on one. Hell to the yes - if you ever find anything like that, I hope you put a video up about it, will keep my eyes open but if you find one before I do, I would love to know about it! ^^
@eukaryote-prime
@eukaryote-prime 7 лет назад
What LCD monitor are you using on your retro builds? I was at a thrift store and bought a Dell LCD and thought it would be really nice for retro gaming because its horizontal resolution was 1280, so 640 and 320 were evenly divided and so pixel scaling might work. Unfortunately it was 1280 x 1024, or 5:4 and not 4:3. Is your monitor 4:3? Because I can't seem to find ANY LCD monitors that are 4:3 @ 1280, ie: 1280 x 960...
@philscomputerlab
@philscomputerlab 7 лет назад
They are all 5:4 with 1280x1024. The only 4:3 are the very old 1024x768, but they ghost a lot and look bad, or high end 1600x1200 screens, they are huge, 20" and a bit harder to find. I've done a video on this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-u3AG97NhNkY.html
@VenomStryker
@VenomStryker 5 лет назад
I remember buying an ESS AudioDrive for my old Packard Bell PC back in the day, but I don't remember which chip it used.
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