Exactly. A Pedophile is someone who's attracted to pre-pubescent children so obviously that label doesn't for here. I personally don't think there's a big issue with a 17 and 19 year being together. It's illegal but most judges would throw it out of court if there were no other major issues. Though he used his powerful position to manipulate his fans which is creepy. He shouldn't take advantage of that for his own sexual satisfaction.
I don’t think it’s as much is that it is pedophilia it’s that the convos are so creepy and the way he talking you can tell that he thinks it’s wrong so he should have stopped
@alt acct fortunately youve obviously never experienced this situation... There's a power dynamic that is at play here. Im not saying the example im providing will be mutual exclusive to the situation being discussed but it reminds me of sexual harassment in the work force between one with a higher position than the victim. This conversation is very reminiscent of what ive gone through in the work place.... Awkwardness and trying to subvert the conversation. Yes they are different situations but realize that these things are important to recognize. Its hard to stand up to someone that has a greater power dynamic.
@alt acct please dont call me hun. This conversation can serve as a learning experience for both of us an others. Im sorry you have been in a grooming situation yourself, im truly sorry. But this is why i think its important to talk about because for me personally if i had known what grooming was i would have seen those red flags earlier in life. The power dynamic isnt just a trendy thing to say. It influences the way one reacts to another. There is a sociological and psychological aspect to it...its not fair to downplay the affect. Yes she could have just blocked him but to explore that scenario one must also understand power dynamics. He has a large following on social media. Social media is HUGE within our culture. That cannot be ignored. Overall i think we can agree that this was an awkward conversation... And one should never blame someone for their looks and why they cant contol themselves. Have you heard about dahvie vanity? I certainly do not put him and carson on the same level BUT many of his victims were too afraid to come forward due to his social media following. With social media being an integral part of our lives one cannot ignore that there can be a power dynamic within it.
What's worse tho a 19yr old talking to a 17yr old. Or people like Dane Cook and Leonardo DiCaprio dating 18-22 yr olds while they're in there mid 40s???
I think this was just a WEIRD ass convo between some teenagers. I think what was bad was that he did have a lot of sway over her as she was fan. But I know a lot of highschool/young guys who acted like this. He was acting like a a fishy guy wanting to screw you while he has a girl on the side.
@@griffeycuprynski2995 Yeah I haven't heard once where someone has ever said it was bad for celebs to fuck there fans I think people just want to find a way to get angry and cancel someone no matter who it hurts no matter what reason I guess that's the internet for you
Could you imagine having your private conversations posted and being judged by them by people that don't know anything about your actual "relationship" and can easily take everything out of context.
I don’t disagree at all, I think the main issue in this specific situation would be the power dynamic. Considering she was a fan before hand, there’s lots of opportunities for rose-colored glasses/not fully thought through decision making because again said power dynamic! Also, it’s not as if he asked that and then from that point forward made it 0% sexual. From the looks of it it was almost opposite… Which is really gross and morally corrupt!
That's not the problem. The problem is how he was manipulating and using his fans for sexual gratification continuously. If you read the messages, theyre insanely manipulating.
The pregnancy game was part of a joke among steam and their friend group where you leave a disturbing or cringe game open for a ridiculous amount of time. You could see that he has zero achievements in the game which proves he never even played it.
The two of Carson’s friends said that they didn’t actually go to keemstar with the info on Carson so either someone leaked it or Keemstar managed to find out about it. Keemstar told them he was going to make a video about the allegations even if they didn’t go on for the interview so they were kind of pressured into talking about it.
This situation is so grey. He's not the best person but he's not evil. The age difference isn't the worst, it's normalISH especially like in school. I'm not defending him but this situation is so grey. I could go on and on about what he AND she did wrong and how it's not the worst thing, yet it's pretty bad. He's not an evil mastermind but legally it's still a crime.
I agree, I don't even think he was trying to manipulate her, he is just a stupid teenage boy who needs to manage his hormones. However he should learn of the power he holds over fans, it can't be just a regular relationship. The age difference is just dumb, laws are imposed to protect young girls from predators, a two year gap between teens is just normal.
Honestly a 19 year old, while legally an adult, is still a teenager with a developing brain vulnerable to bad decisions and stupid mistakes. We shouldn't be talking about it like he's some 30 year old going after little kids, it was a case of two teens sexting. Whike illegal, the only thing immoral about this situation is potentially the fact that she was a fan, but even that isn't set in stone as we've got people like Pewds who started a relationship with someone who was initially a fan as well
their wasn't any grooming when you see the full convo but yeah they were both stupid. and it's kinda sus to see the girl come out later when she clearly could have told him to stop as he had sayed that multiple times. not excusing his actions but she doesn't have any moral high ground imo.
I definitely agree with Ethan, I can't see Carson's former friends going to Keem as anything other than clout chasing. These people have their own platforms, and they took a year to make this public, giving Carson more time to grow his brand, and another chance to do this again.
The reason they couldn’t come out about it was because they still were under contract with lunch club and couldn’t legally release until the new year, and apparently although these are rumors but the story got leaked to keemstar so he was going to make a video whether they were in it or not.
@@mitchpanzee Under contract. What does that mean? If you work for someone and you catch that person doing very wrong or doing a crime, how is it that you cannot speak until the contract is up? Well more like, someone doing wrongdoing is in a contract where they cannot tell? Or you mean an NDA? Which even with that and NDA on where a person cannot speak out on someone doing wrongdoing?
I like how people say “THE LAW SAYS SHES A CHILD” turns 18 3 weeks later (haven’t grown anything, haven’t gotten smarter, doesn’t look older, haven’t matured anything) alright she’s an adult now, like how do you call this shit predatory 17-19? I swear half of your parents has been together whit someone that was under 18 when they self where like 18-19
@@averymccartney8382 I seen a lot of people mad about the age gap but do tell how did he manipulate her? Him saying that he wants nudes ain't manipulation
People are focusing on the age; for me it's the power dynamic and the manipulation, the messages we have seen are so manipulative. He's not a pedophile, that is the wrong word hence why we call it grooming. People in this position need to take so much care when pursuing a fan.
@@justarandomguy.6365 practically all of them. Watch the video Ethan and Hila literally tell you anyway. The way he knows it's wrong but wants to do it anyway, how he makes himself the victim etc.
he had 1 million subscribers though. the point is the abuse of power because he was using his platform to solicit nudes from FANS. its more the problem of the power dynamic than age difference.
@@peopleperson yeah it’s an issue mostly because Carson is a public figure with a following and “power”. It shouldn’t have been an issue though because it never should have been broadcasted to the world. His “friends” ruined his life for nothing they should have fixed this privately and teach him how his messages are gross and probably made her uncomfortable
@@fenixphucks3331 I completely agree but it’s a nerdy virgin teenager, he’s not going to be mr slick and the fan didn’t care about him she just talked to him because he was a public figure. If someone who can’t get laid normally gets power it’s obvious he’s going to miss use it, he needs to learn from this but a witch hunt isn’t necessary for this.
they are just cringy teen texts. People are blowing this out of proportion just because it's 2021 and everyone complains about everything they can. Someone well known was 19 and acting like many boys in their late teens do. He never flaunted his "power" everyone keeps bringing up. Of course there is going to be some influence on girls because hes a public figure, but man carlson was just another virgin teenager full of hormones.
Thats true, but at the same time people mature at a really fast pace during their teenage years. For example a graduated student, that is of legal age, has a lot more life experience and maturity than a student, who is still a minor, experiencing high school. I wouldn't call it pedophilia, but I definitely see it as inappropriate.
@@avtr5185 I know myself and others included were more mentally mature as 'minors' than older people. Not to say sexual things are okay at that age just saying mentality wise. So saying this most people aren't stupid enough to do things that make them uncomfortable especially with how easy it is to block people.
@@avtr5185 I completely agree with you and I do also believe it is also inappropriate as her language in the DM’s does appear much less aware than his. I’m from the UK where age of consent is 16 and so both would be legally allowed to be in a sexual relationship with eachother if they were here. (Although nudes can only be sent over age of 18, so strange laws) However I think depending on the situation, people here might still say it was weird or inappropriate. Confusing as I’ve known people in relationships who were 17 and 19 and it was never a problem, but this clearly was
Kind of interesting to think that if Carson wasn’t famous this whole situation would not matter at all. It would be 17 on 19 and people would say that age isnt even bad and the whole problem would end. Hard to think Carson could be dead somewhere because of something minor.
That’s the point though...the age wasn’t but the fact that he was famous. He had influence over her and his actions could have been read as manipulative + exploitive of his fans
@@vals5085 so famous people can't date/flirt with other people unless they have the same level of fame as them? I don't see anything wrong with a content creator dating a fan.
It’s about the abuse of power by someone with fame, it really changes the dynamic of a relationship psychologically and behaviorally between a famous person and a fan. It’s how a lot worse shit has happened to fans of famous people before - it’s more easy to be coerced or pressured into things they don’t want, being so easily mistreated and manipulated and wanting to just please the person you’ve been an “admirer” of on a different level than an actual partner. Imo it’s not about the age as much as it is him being shitty because with his status he really thought he could be that predatory and overall pretty shitty and it was okay. He clearly felt it was wrong and when you think you’re doing something wrong that’s a good cue to stop
@@AmeeGonzalez just cause a power dynamic exists doesn’t mean that it’s being abused. All of this shit from 2 years ago was reaching to drag names through the mud
I'm with Ethan on this one, Those people aren't his friends. May god strike me dead if I we're to ever throw someone i consider a friend under the bus like that.
Ethan really didn't do his research here, and tbh neither did u. Keem got ahold of logs b4 anyone agreed to interview. They decided to interview to try and make sure that he didn't spin the story in a horrible way. They spent months trying to work through this, but were lied to in the process. Only one who didn't act like a friend was Slimecicle. Please watch the video on the weeklySlap when Shlatt explains. Doing your research first is always a good idea.
@@th3summoner So why didn't they specify girls ages? They just said "he sexted minors". They 100% knew that people wouldn't think that it was a 19 year old sexting a 17 year old. And they knew the ages.
@@magicarff8892 Shlatt did because he made a video after everyonr reacted that way. You can't predict public opinion, but they both specified that they do not think he was a pedo keemstart just censored the word. Imagine if the internet took that the other way, then they would have dug his grave. If u want proof just look at noahs tweets. Please just look at the entire situation yourself than just listening to some outsider who really didn't get all the info and made a snao decision.
I agree, I mean so your 19 yr old friend was sexting a 17 yr old he was talking to, so normal teenage behavior? you would report it to the feds and cut all ties, lol he definitely didnt do that and if he did that's worse then anything Carson did lol
By saying this you're implying that what the rock stars were doing to young and usually underage groupies was okay. I'm sure if Twitter knew/thought about it, they'd be "cancelled" too. I'm glad that society has advanced to where, finally, we collectively look down on this kind of rapey power/fame-abusing behavior.
I think what most people are misinterpreting ab this situation is that they are calling it grooming because of the age difference when in reality it was grooming because of the fan-celebrity dynamic involved
The thing is he never flaunted his popularity nor used his "power" to take advantage of girls. He simply pursued someone 2yrs younger than him and did it in the most awkward and cringy way, as many horny and inexperienced boys do. I don't understand this "power dynamic" people keep bringing up just because he's known. Is he supposed to avoid pursuing anyone that may be a fan of his?
@@Getinthevan9 Yh all I see is a teenage boy pursuing a teenage girl in a typical cringe teenage fashion. I mean a seventeen year old and a nineteen year old is a two year age gap that’s fine imo. I don’t get the The power dynamic Because he’s ‘ famous’ either. Like it’s not as if he threatened her with his platform ? I understand that it is inappropriate for a RU-vidr to pursue their fans but he was 19 it seems like it’s a mistake on his side not a manipulative plan to groom someone ?
@@poot743 by saying that your normalizing his pressuring of these girls. He shows clearly conflict in his conversation and he also asks when she’ll be legal cause he understands the dynamic isn’t okay. He pushed to have her entertain him sexually even after she said she didn’t really want too. You can’t normalize the pressuring of young teens even if it’s to “another teen”
@@Clustergeist how did he pressure her tho? And btw this is coming from a teenage girl so this isn’t coming from a space of misogyny i am genuinely curious because I am struggling to see the massive issue that everyone is talking about.
@@Getinthevan9 he found her through his YT though.. how is that not using your power if your platform was how he met these girls. You can’t normalize this, regardless he continues to pressure her into making sexual content for him and praises her for doing so, it’s clearly manipulative and grooming like. It’s like training a dog (that sounds awful) but you give treats when they do what you want and you teach it what you consider “right” it’s gross
Maybe i'm missing something but I don't get the drama based of this video. He's a little creepy okay? What a great travesty. The age difference is completely reasonable in my opinion. Also with the power dynamic. What are supposed to do date someone who hates your content? I don't get why you can't date a fan. I think every good partner in a way admires you. They're you're own personal fan. Again maybe i'm missing something this. I'm 17 as well and feel pretty grown. I'm 6'1 growing facial hair and experiencing male pattern baldness. I have had a full time job, lost loved ones, and moved around. I have plenty of "Life Experience" I find this concept that you instantly become an adult on your 18 an over simplistic view and extremely ageist. Young does not equal dumb. This is just my opinion. Counter Opinions are welcome!
Omg, he wasn't dating her. He was taking advantage of the fact that she was a fan and using her for sexual pleasure. It's not pedophilia and it isn't grooming, but it's still fucking gross and shameful to do that to any girl. There is a HUGE difference between "dating" a fan and taking advantage of one, so I don't know why I see this strawman argument all the time, it's stupid.
@@laurenstone5504 I don't necessarily disagree. The point is that being a jerk is not a crime. I also think the whole narrative paints the fan as helpless and unintelligent. When at the end of the day she has the power and autonomy to make her own decisions.
@@x87Go the reason it's illegal to talk to underage girls or anyone underage is because as a society we have collectively agreed that they are not mature enough to understand the gravity of what they say, who they're talking to ect. Which is why this guy is in trouble. He is an adult. He understands fully the consequences of his actions and continued his behavior. The CHILD Is not mature enough. Therefore context is irrelevant if one participant is underage. Obviously. So, what reality r u in?
Teegan Howkins, so when one year from now passes, is she gonna just because of age and not experience nor knowledge like be a proper real estate agent? I’ve seen people move out at literally 14, both states also give the okay that they can talk with each other. You gotta remember, US Society isn’t like globally applied. Context does matter if they aren’t freshman struggling with their data distributions, the chick in question was in or about to finish high school during that time and was talking with a man who has been doing stuff for a year since he’s gotten out of high school. She during this time gave the okay to everything whether pressure was there or not during doing so, she still had her own conscious decision if she wanted to do things or not. The only issue that CallMeCarson can be held accountable for is the CP however, if the CP is no longer within his storage still he cannot be held accountable for something he disposed of. That’s my take on it and that’s me correcting you for the things you typed in your take.
@@GabyTheMan dude if she's underage it's illegal it's really not that complicated. Real estate agent is a stupid analogy to use and has no relevance or comparability to someone grooming underage girls. What does people moving out at 14 have to do with it? So just because they may be legally allowed to move out they should be able to legally sleep with anyone? A 14yo being legally allowed to sleep with a 50yo doesn't sit right with me or the law. Just because she was in highschool doesn't mean she's considered legal. How tf r u even tryna argue with me dude. If someone is underaged and being groomed, raped ect then the offender should be punished. Honestly don't know why I even have to argue that
My issue is you people act like you tubers can’t also be in the adult industry porn stars bang there fans and kinda egirls on twitch bang fans and no one bats a eye get out of here with is that not appropriate he was 19 i personally know a massive female youtuber that is dateing my friend and she sent some raunchy stuff when he was 17 shoud she go to prison no and nether shoud call me Carson
When he says his website he says “Tray-vz” - I suffered through the beginning of a video hawking a milk surfing chocolate chip cookie for that. You are welcome.
I have a couple million follows on tiktok, and I get called CallMeCarson every single day. I already hated it... and now I have to put a stop to it LMAO
This is gross to watch, Making fun of an awkward 19 year old for talking to another teenager as grown ass adults, Carson wasn't a grown man talking to a child, he was a teenager talking to another teenager barely 2 years younger than him. He wasn't manipulative, he was awkward and afraid becuase look what happened? look at all of this over nothing with people accusing him of being a groomer and a horrible person for nothing. Its disgusting, just children wanting to dogpile on the internet and stupid commentators giving their usual terrible take on a situation that requires nuance
I'm just gonna say, it's interesting how everyone thinks it's disgusting to see these texts of a 19 year old texting a 17 year old, when literally a couple of years later nobody gives a shit. I dunno man, people seem to freak out way to easily. Just because you turn 18 doesn't mean you're a full developed adult like.. chill out people.
@@shotgunguy9256 exactly. It seems to me that people just wanna have a reason to be "offended" just to look good in the eyes of society. It's really not that big of a deal. He made a mistake considering the position he is in, yes, but to say he's a pedophile and all that nonsense is just ridiculous.
Whatever Dude He’s not a pedophile, but IMO what most people have a problem with is him abusing his position of power to get what he wanted out of her.
@@eduardojuliolasso9344 Yes that why I said it was wrong of him to use his position like that, but there's a huge difference between that and being a pedophile or thinking that there's something wrong with him for liking this girl I mean.. he is still pretty young himself. But yeah he messed up.
i understand that it’s the pattern on the shirt and they’re both clean but Ethan’s shirt looks like the before picture of a couch from a lint roller commercial
I have to say, I was expecting some juicy drama and insight on a person I've literally never heard of and then I laughed for 15 minutes straight at the Travis/Traves shit. Lol
19:36 "But he said my *name* is Travis, not my *channel name* is Traves." PewDiePie, Markiplier, Jacksepticeye and most other RU-vidrs say that their name is their channel name even though it's technically not.
Idk if I'm missing some part of the puzzle but, were he have met her using a private account, not related at all to his 'callmecarson' public persona, nobody would bet an eye. I'm not defending him. I'm saying- - one of them being 19 and the other 17, is ok - his 'sexting' being the reason the term cringe was coined, is... not illegal, unfortunately -> him using his youtube clout to speedrun a relationship, it's messed up my 2 cents are that I don't think this is worth him getting ban from the internet, he used his influence in the wrong way (to put it lightly) but he was 19 and at 19 you get horny more than you get hungry. It's not like he was a fully grown man I just hope he grows up, realize his mistake and why it was one. He didn't seem like a bad guy, for the limited exposure I got to him through some twitter clips p.s. He prob goin start walking backwards the way his 'friends' got his back
You should watch the video by Jschlatt a close personal friend of his. The situation is a lot more complicated than how it sounds. It’s called the Carson situation on his alt the weekly slap
Pretty sure we all know it’s not technically pedophilia but anytime someone is using their power to get what they want (money, fame, influence) it’s grooming and it’s predatory.
The age gap isn't terrible, it's the fact that the girls he talked to were FANS of his, already theres an unhealthy dynamic between him and any fan he interacts with sexually and romantically. No one is complaining about the age gap (We all know its illegal), we are mad at the way he manipulates and coerces his female fans into servicing him
facts. he kept pushing a purely sexual relationship when it was VERY clear that she did not want that (she explicitly says it to him in one of the messages). psyched to see someone not defending him. and if i see one more person victim blaming ima flip.
Why is everyone ignoring the fact that she was leading him on and he obv only wanted a F+ thing and not a relationship wich upset her i guess... Also marzia was pewd's fan and the dynamic is also there so you wanna tell us that thats gross of pewds to marry his fan? XD give me a break yall are stupid
@@FreakLolly She did not lead him on, she clearly states she's uncomfortable doing stuff, this is NOT HER FAULT SDKGSD idk how you can think that when it's literally ONLY Carson who has power in that relationship bc of his position. I'm not a Pewdiepie fan so I have no idea of that situation, but circumstances and peoples ideologies are not the same, you can't compare those two with this situation. Carson talked to MANY of his fans in this way, not just one.
@@bitchass1193 if she was oh so uncomfortable why didn't she just tell him to fuck off or block him? And you do see the awkward messages from Carson so wouldn't you think her upfront asling for being his gf didn't make him uncomfortable? Try to look from.both perspectives. Also she deleted her acc coz she knows she was in the wrong from the getgo. Check mate :)
The problem isn't her age, its the way he spoke to fans. It's just inappropriate. Also, all of the dudes from the lunch club are pretty horrified at his actions, and I think they know more than the general public
But the way public discourse goes now there’s a good chance they are just saving their own asses. What we know could be the situation they know, they just had no idea how Twitter would react and decided to play it safe by throwing him under the bus.
If Carson played that game start to finish for all 107 hours, he played it 160 times. If he was just replaying certain parts over and over, it ends up being a lot more.
The pregnancy game on the steam is a meme Ethan. Everyone in the lunchclub community leaves weird games on steam open to be funny. You have to get his humor. It's nothing creepy or weird
My first girlfriend was 17 and I was 19. She was hardly a year younger though and turned 18 shortly after. Felt weird, but we were basically the same age it seemed just one grade apart.
Like the wrong thing is he talking like that to a fan. But guys go get a life, dating a 17 as a 19 is normal. Like if she turns 18 magically is ok ? please a 2 year gap. Common, does it need a justification.
