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EU referendum... lessons from 1975: Michael Cockerell - BBC Newsnight 

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The last referendum in the UK on the issue of Europe was on 5 June 1975. Almost exactly two-thirds voted in favour of staying. Lots has changed since then, but there are also many relevant parallels as veteran film maker Michael Cockerell explains.
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Комментарии : 194   
@Shemmie13
@Shemmie13 8 лет назад
Interesting to see how much money was thrown at the "In" campaign.
@philburtoft535
@philburtoft535 8 лет назад
And by whom, same dodgy characters today #BREXIT
@outeuouteu843
@outeuouteu843 8 лет назад
+Paul Shemmell (Shemmie) HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE SPEAKER OF THE COMMONS & CORRUPT MP'S STEAL OFF THE TAX PAYER IN FRAUD
@KodiAndroidTV
@KodiAndroidTV 8 лет назад
+outeu outeu Go back to school.... We choose our MPs to govern our country for US... they made some errors with bills like for duck houses but that has been resolved and in the past. How much money do we gove to the EU? Billions a week. At the moment the MPs we elect to be our voice in the government cant do their jobs because the EU says no. They also give us crap laws we MUST follow... why should we?
@KodiAndroidTV
@KodiAndroidTV 8 лет назад
+Michael Dance give*
@Urko2005
@Urko2005 5 лет назад
Voted to stay in the COMMON MARKET, not the EU.
@get2rog
@get2rog 7 лет назад
It all sounds very familiar. I didn't care much for Thatcher in the long term but she made some very insightful and prophetic predictions especially about the Euro.
@poodtang1
@poodtang1 8 лет назад
Thatcher was for a economic union of Europe NOT a political one. Big difference.
@ChrisHutchison
@ChrisHutchison 5 лет назад
"Thatcher was for a economic union of Europe NOT a political one". Then why did she campaign AGAINST those warning of the dangers of political union? was she really that daft and incompetent?
@rory7590
@rory7590 5 лет назад
Well, why did she keep signing treaties that explicitly talked about "ever closer union"?
@ChrisHutchison
@ChrisHutchison 5 лет назад
@@rory7590 At the risking of stating the blinkin' obvious: because she, like Churchill and other Tory leaders, is on record as saying that she wanted "ever closer union". Simple, really.
@ChrisHutchison
@ChrisHutchison 5 лет назад
And yet she campaigned for and voted for political union. Funny, that, eh?
@nifralo2752
@nifralo2752 4 года назад
Is that why she continued Heath's policy of selling us out to Brussels?
@Mascherina1964
@Mascherina1964 8 лет назад
What a difference between the 1975 and 2016 referenda! The name-calling among present-day politicians (and commentators in the media, and yes, here on RU-vid), is just disheartening.
@danbus180
@danbus180 8 лет назад
41 years
@Mascherina1964
@Mascherina1964 8 лет назад
I stand corrected!
@DominicNaylor
@DominicNaylor 8 лет назад
Would love to see that Panorama head-on debate between Benn and Jenkins.
@AnArchyRulzz
@AnArchyRulzz 7 лет назад
Dominic Naylor it's on RU-vid
@nifralo2752
@nifralo2752 4 года назад
"Better to lose a little sovereignty than to lose a son or a daughter" despite the fact the previous sons and daughters who died so we would have any sovereignty and not be Germany's biggest island.
@edsmith1158
@edsmith1158 8 лет назад
I think this is the only Time I agree with Tony Benn and disagree with Thatcher!
@BodieB
@BodieB 4 года назад
Thatcher wanted economic union of which is nothing like the monstrosity of today...she wanted nothing to do with political union...just hear how she reacted years later
@shacklock01
@shacklock01 8 лет назад
rip Tony.
@stringx25
@stringx25 8 лет назад
Tony Benn was right in his prediction; in that half a million jobs would be lost, this was right because we instantly lost our fishing industry, from which the UK never recovered. And food prices rocketed, and we never really got over that either. The Whole thing was nothing but a scam. A brexit would mean the UK recovering it's fishing grounds, providing hundreds of thousands of jobs. countering some of the job losses, leaving the EU.
@adamwnt
@adamwnt 3 года назад
so the fact that britain entered as a sick man of europe and left with a much lower unemployment rate and in a much better shape overall, mainly because your service market grew exponentially especially in proportion of your less than 0,01 in gdp value fishing market with which you seem all so obsessed about (you hardly even want to consume fish and chips at all) is down to your intelligence and strangely the eu has nothing to do with it, yet all the cuts you have received due to tories are instead fault of the eu along with opening your borders to your ex colonies so that you moan about so many different ppl, yeah, sure, very clever, good luck with your never ending negotiations and with your useless canzuk, and since the negotiations have just started given you start from scratch, me as a european, i'd play as much a hard bargain with you as possible though i happen to have some measured trust in the eu leaders defending the block overall, all the best my friend and you'd better grow up or else the reality will hit you hard in life
@adrianchan8407
@adrianchan8407 2 года назад
How's that going
@seyed7380
@seyed7380 Год назад
Lol how is that going.....
@garrysimpson1395
@garrysimpson1395 8 лет назад
41 years on nothing changes! Except we had no Farage or Johnson.
@andybray9791
@andybray9791 2 года назад
Farage was more sensible than Boris
@WestYorkshireGREAT
@WestYorkshireGREAT 8 лет назад
I have never seen anything more British!
@Jonchess
@Jonchess 8 лет назад
The case for Britain remaining is surely much weaker now as a result of Britains diluted say in its running of the Union ie 1 Commisioner in 8 (then) as opposed to 1 in 28 (now),the damage caused to our public services through uncontrolled immigration(not an issue then). Probably the collapse of the Soviet block in 1990 was the biggest change as it left many impoverished Eastern European nations in dire financial straits seeking entrance to the EU which has been the main driver of immigration into Britain-Poland, Hungary and others.As a result of this major change the balance may have swung away from Britain being a winner from the Union to being damaged by it.Also trade has swung away from EU as it has been mired in recesssion compared to the rest of the world.
@Conorspillane
@Conorspillane 2 года назад
if the vote was to take place now it would be a huge majority to step in as a United Europe is the only way to stand up to Putin
@andybray9791
@andybray9791 2 года назад
@@Conorspillane brexit is not always a Russia thing
@mogznwaz
@mogznwaz Год назад
100% correct
@mantamanta2422
@mantamanta2422 8 лет назад
If we stayed in the EU (eu not Europe) then the main agenda is to even out the balance of power that some countries hold and distribute it amongst other countries. the same with each countries wealth. As only britain and germany contribute to the EU we can see where this will lead. britain and germany will eventually be a lot worse off, although as Germany is steering the EU then its not as big a problem for them as it is the UK. The EU unelected unacountable and ran by germany. Sound familiar?
@maxheadrom3088
@maxheadrom3088 2 месяца назад
I don't know what the question is but all I can is Yes!
@mogznwaz
@mogznwaz Год назад
It’s always easier to sell a ‘keep the status quo’ vote than to ask people do something more radical. That’s why joining the EEC without a referendum then allowing a vote to remain in or leave (a ‘negative’ choice) was so cynical.
@markgable101
@markgable101 8 лет назад
The Eu can override our UK parliament. We're are a diminished country within Europe We're no better than a Latvia. Cameron went begging for a little sovereignty back and was slapped down, humiliated and threatened by the EU. Tony Benn was correct all those years ago. He envisaged Britain as a little federal province in a undemocratic European superstate.
@KodiAndroidTV
@KodiAndroidTV 8 лет назад
HEAR HEAR!
@beetleything1864
@beetleything1864 5 лет назад
Agreed. Fuck the EU.
@clowncarqingdao
@clowncarqingdao 5 лет назад
Around 03:15 - Interesting to compare Roy Jenkins "good for British politics" comments with Theresa May's approach.
@monarchist1838
@monarchist1838 8 лет назад
Thank God we have voted to leave this undemocratic organisation.
@Tony-1971
@Tony-1971 5 лет назад
We voted leave. Yet we aren't leaving.
@shournharber70
@shournharber70 5 лет назад
AESCULAPTORmark3 it is shocking, boris will take us out in 31st October
@yahmom626
@yahmom626 4 года назад
Shourn Harber He took you out on January 2020.
@andrewhay2241
@andrewhay2241 8 лет назад
Yep, the far-left and the far-right give you the same results in the end. In 2016, the further you head away from the centre, the stronger the support for exiting becomes.
@paulgrieve7031
@paulgrieve7031 Год назад
There’s also right meaning true. We all share certain views however (wrongly) they are labeled
@paulgrieve7031
@paulgrieve7031 Год назад
Wow! Was thatcher a nutter?
@paulgrieve7031
@paulgrieve7031 Год назад
Thorpe! What an actor! This at Oxford too! Sadly today it’s practically all over-for all parties.
@paulgrieve7031
@paulgrieve7031 Год назад
How did woy or thatcher, “Thorpe” or Heath ever get elected?
@blackdagger1982
@blackdagger1982 8 лет назад
To put things in perspective, I would first like to say that I do not have any driving political inclinations. I am not Socialist, Nationalist, Communist, Zionist, Fascist or other. But I am British and feel that we are being pushed into the EU, not for our benefit, but because the rich and powerful favour it for some reason. Who are these 'Globalists'? Who owns the Central Banks, Multi-National Corporations and the Lion's Share of the Land and Property in this world? Are we, our children and grand children to be driven back into Serfdom that our forefathers struggled and free themselves from?
@sinistermephisto65
@sinistermephisto65 5 лет назад
Holy cow this was entertaining
@kezadrone
@kezadrone 8 лет назад
Well here we are in 2016 we irrational loonies victorious.
@andyc3088
@andyc3088 3 года назад
i couldn't vote in this referendum as i was 18 the day over the vote :(
@MBKill3rCat
@MBKill3rCat 6 лет назад
A lot has changed since then. The union was greatly different then, as was the political climate, and I believe were Thatcher alive today, she'd have been at the head of the Leave campaign.
@wonjubhoy
@wonjubhoy 3 года назад
Spot on.
@ER1CwC
@ER1CwC 7 месяцев назад
Michael Heseltine says that Thatcher would have been a reluctant remainer.
@michaeldoyle5284
@michaeldoyle5284 11 месяцев назад
if they felt that staying in the EU was a good idea , why did they have their meetings in back rooms and behind closed doors . if it was a good thing , they would have had no problem letting the public know what they were discussing .
@PollieBrooon-cz5yg
@PollieBrooon-cz5yg 8 месяцев назад
Very good point.
@JZTechEngineering
@JZTechEngineering 2 месяца назад
Because Publix meetings are problematic because the population now affects negotiating power
@michaeldoyle5284
@michaeldoyle5284 2 месяца назад
@@JZTechEngineering aren't the politicians there to represent the public ? then what is the harm in the public knowing what they are doing ? the only reason for back room meetings is if you plan on going against public opinion .
@daveallen7605
@daveallen7605 8 лет назад
Betrayed in 1975!
@GoldMario5500
@GoldMario5500 3 года назад
Glad half of the yes voters have regretting for believing the lies
@maxheadrom3088
@maxheadrom3088 2 месяца назад
Ian Pasley and Enoch Powell alongside members of the Labour Party?
@dylendog
@dylendog 8 лет назад
Tony Ben one very fine Gentleman
@peterstevens4471
@peterstevens4471 7 лет назад
Boy we were never told the truth about why it was best to stay inside what was then the European economic community and this country was taken into something without the countries people even having a say as to what were if there was any advantage to being a slave to others and nobody should ever be a slave should they!
@MRHIRSTY999
@MRHIRSTY999 8 лет назад
Was 9 country's now 28, total different kettle of fish!
@tomconti2903
@tomconti2903 8 лет назад
wasn't it thatcher the witch that stole the milk from children?
@blackdagger1982
@blackdagger1982 8 лет назад
+tom conti - Yes
@tomconti2903
@tomconti2903 8 лет назад
RogerGT stupid.
@tomconti2903
@tomconti2903 8 лет назад
RogerGT and a moron.
@anthonyinger2867
@anthonyinger2867 8 лет назад
It was Harold Wilson that started abolishing the school milk in 1968, they never got very far with the policy because they lost the 1970 election.
@lhasadog1
@lhasadog1 5 лет назад
Personally I voted to leave and I know a lot of people who did too. I was flabbergasted when I heard the result.
@robinbell568
@robinbell568 Месяц назад
Two-faced Thatcher.
@MrResearcher122
@MrResearcher122 8 лет назад
McAlpine, son of the Dorchester Mob, said the strategy of Joiners was: 'It would be Madness to Stay out'. The argument today In nuce - In a nutshell : ' it would be Madness to Stay In!'
@paulgrieve7031
@paulgrieve7031 Год назад
Good for the Dundee Herald. They were right.
@Valkyrie193-m2s
@Valkyrie193-m2s 4 года назад
It's happened!
@unknownunknown-hn1kx
@unknownunknown-hn1kx 5 лет назад
sooo what now?? after brexit???
@123brownjames
@123brownjames 11 месяцев назад
Ironic that Scotland voted for the EU by the same margin 41 years later….🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇪🇺
@portman8909
@portman8909 3 месяца назад
Only country with economics sense left in the union.
@aalbulescu212
@aalbulescu212 7 лет назад
Melancolia e sentimentul ca fericirea are sa te copleseasca chiar in mijlocul paradisului. Emil Cioran
@dragonslayer7627
@dragonslayer7627 8 лет назад
The fact that we are having another referendum should tell people that something is deeply rotten with the EU.
@nicolasstassen6444
@nicolasstassen6444 8 лет назад
Adieu les petites Anglaises ? Finally, Europeans could move further steps forwards : For example by creating a Continental Federal Union between BeNeLux Germany France Italy Spain Portugal and Austria. Irish&British Isles, Nordic Union, East-Oriental and Balkanic Europe could move at their pace.
@fogel76
@fogel76 5 лет назад
fucking hell
@edsmith1158
@edsmith1158 8 лет назад
I think this is the only Time I agree with Tony Benn and disagree with Thatcher!
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