"the crews reported that people on the streets were just as responsive to the new sirens..." Meaning that the drivers ignored them just as much as the traditional siren tones.
That hi-lo siren is much more pleasant, and they HAVE already switched to it in NYC, at least in Midtown West. Hearing the old wailling version all the time, causes people anxiety, and cuts down on people's sense of wholesomeness and their productivity. Everyone can still tell the hi-lo is a siren and they're supposed to know it's a law to try to pull over to let the emergency vehicle get by. If you have a driver's license the "Rules of the Road", which you must know to pass your driver's test, says you must try to pull over, to leave room for any emergency vehicle using flashing lights and/or sirens to get by. Any pedestrians or vehicles who do not try to do so, should be at least fined, and that law should be announced repeatedly on local news and enforced, instead of using sirens to startle people. Patients often ask ambulance drivers to shut off the old type wailing siren, as it's very blood pressure raising and distressing.
My mother used to drive an ambulance in the 80s in the Los Angeles area. She said that her ambulances had the high-low European sirens AND the normal American style sirens. She told me that the European tones were great for clearing intersections because they sounded so different, and people would respond to them better. Her method was to use the American style sirens most of the time, but she would switch to the high-lows when approaching an intersection. She always said that worked pretty well.
If I do remember correctly, a lot of fire trucks and ambulances in LA back in the 80s-90s were fitted with hilo horns and mechinal sirens. There are still some trucks in service using this! Just look up "LAFD Hilo airhorn" on RU-vid.
My favorite is the federal sign touchmaster delta siren. Once used widely in police interceptors and ambulances, and cycles between wail, yelp, warble, and a hi-lo that sounds akin to a telephone ring. It goes Weeeeee uuuuuuuuuuu, we u we u we we u we u, wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa-wa, riiiing riiiing riiing riiing.
They wouldn't use German sirens specifically... More likely american-style Hi-Lo. But listen to the code 3 z3 Hi-Lo. Or the whelen Hi-Lo. Or the soft one they use in England. Sounds great too right?
Is it the sirens......or is it the drivers? In Europe we automatically move aside as it is a strict law.....in the US, the drivers generally like to finish their telephone conversations/lunch, before they decide to react.
I work for the German police and got relatives in NY, so I know both pretty well. This video is great and I'd actually support having German sirens in New York. We've been experimenting with yelp sirens for a short time, but to no avail. The heavy traffic in NY is a serious problem and seeing fire trucks and ambulances constantly using their air horn is a pretty good reason to reconsider the tone of their sirens.
It sounds odd, I agree, but it would be interesting as well. I can't really imagine them really using German hi-lo sirens, but I guess American hi-lo sirens MIGHT happen. To quote you from another video "Can't beat a gold old two tone!" ;)Btw: being a siren DJ works with different modes of a hi-lo siren as well
@@EnjoyFirefighting Two tones sound great on British and other European fire trucks, but it just (in my opinion) wouldn't sound right to have a huge US rig with a European siren. On a EU fire Truck, you can't beat a two tone is what I should have said
@@dragonemergencyvideos I watched several videos of American apparatus with hi-lo sirens, also some with specificly European types of the hi-lo siren. It was fun to see and hear them like that. Same with the units themselves: although 98% of all ALS Emergency Ambulances in Germany are based on a Sprinter, I really loved filming the Sprinter in NYC In my opinion, the best solution would be a combination of both, to give them the option to choose from the one, the other or both sirens at once.
@@EnjoyFirefighting In former German Democratic Republic they used as well wail and yelp like signals on rescue, fire and Police, often with two tone signals. Two tone signals produced by compressed air fanfare, not sound generator
I agree that Q's sound great and DJing is fun. But the average person doesn't care. They just want the emergency vehicle to get where it needs to go without being deafened.
Option B: Require that anyone applying for a driver’s license in New York state first learn how to get out of the way when they hear a siren. There wouldn’t be a noise problem if emergency vehicles weren’t sitting in traffic, waiting for someone to move.
they need blue lights instead white/yellow and red.. cuz white/yellow and red is normal vehicle signal color.. they need something special like blue lights so they could be seen far away
@@EnjoyFirefighting why do you speak like this? I never said others are fake. You are interpreting my words wrong and taking things out of context. American sirens really do sound more urgent. Plus I am not used to listening to European sirens.
@@EnjoyFirefighting instead of thinking the opposite, or criticizing me, try to understand what I am actually speaking here. Sirens all sound different in different countries, I was not putting you down (you had interpreted my words wrongly) when I said I prefer American coz I live here and US sirens are loud and they blast horns to convey that urgency. European ones, uses the rapid blipping/ , and this is a different type sound used (it too conveys urgency but sounds far different from what I am used to hearing). Instead of jumping to conclusion of my words and sarcastically criticizing me, I kindly ask you to refrain, that is not nice. Not everyone is trying to argue with you. Vielen Danke.
Dual tones are cool (in Brazil, fire departments usually use air dual tones, and they work very well) but it's an unnecessary change to NYC in my opinion.
the US Army Fire & Emergency Services also tried American apparatus at their German USAG bases, didn't work out that well either; But instead of taking the all-American apparatus back home, they rather chose to take a half-American half-American apparatus to the USA. Of course not every option tried once is successfull, like the higher reaching German Magirus ladders used by the FDNY; But others are more successfull, like the Sprinter or Ducato being used in the USA. The other way around American style vans and pickups got replaced by vans and actual trucks in most places around Europe
@@1933FORDV8 thats were your wrong my town has had to scrap 2 firetrucks within the last 3 yrs because of bad drivers and were basically surronded by corn fields
There are only a couple of things that make American driving American. 1. The slowpoke 2. The double yellow lines And 3. The wail, yelp, and Q sirens DON'T TAKE THAT AWAY FROM US PLEASE
David Lopez if anything people just may straight up refuse to yield. That’s what I would do if I were hearing hi-lows behind me as opposed to a blaring yelp, in which case I would move to the side
In France, they say : "hooold on, hoooold on, hoooold on" :D But the ambulance says : "you're screwed, you're screwed, you're screwed" (original : firetrucks "tiens-bon" and ambulance "t'es foutu")
I'm British and almost all UK emergency vehicles have the screaming sirens. I much prefer the 2 tone horn/ hi lo sound, as I believe is usually found in France, Germany and the Netherlands. The scream is painful on the ears, and stress inducing. Way before the coronavirus started, you'd see a lot of ambulances out and about- a nation of ill people? The traditional mechanical sirens on American fire engines have a deeper tone and are less excruciating. I believe it is because the scream is stress inducing, that they're introducing 2 tone horns, or hi- los, in New York.
@Ben Sanspiro just too big. I mean look at some NYC streets for example they can't get through often. German Trucks at least may not carry as much water, but they carry more equipment and crew and are more compact.
@Ben Sanspiro I guess the real issue is simply the size of American fire apparatus. Some of them are oversized concerning the amount of equipment on board
@@אוריה-ז7ע yes, they may not carry as much water, but I'm pretty sure the standard type of vehicles here carries more technical equipment and just as much crew as American ones
Lyrics (American version): Too Late Too Late That Guy's Long Dead Let's Just Go Home I Need A Dough- nut, want One too? Because Too Late You're too, Boohoo!
@Keone Mohana might be annoying ... but it's the same if someone plays with the siren that we could as well be a DJ. Btw it's done also because some crews suffer hearing problems; Want to tell them to leave the USA as well?
@Keone Mohana it is NOT part of the job to get medical problems; It's up to the department and the crews to prevent that by regulations and adaptions. Just because sth was done for decades doesn't mean that it's up to date and good today, right?! And it sure doesn't have to do with some political orientation, concerning your original answer.
weill, they fit in so many other places; Of course it would be weird to hear them in NYC as well, but in general it wouldn't be sth new to see an American truck with a German siren
As someone who is used to German sirens, this one doesnt actually sound similar to those (less shrill). Btw the sound makes me also slighty uncomfortable.
I work in rural EMS; we have the county hospital for the small stuff a half hour away, and the city hospitals for the oh fudge stuff more than an hour away. The city folks hear the sirens and are like whatever; so I reprogrammed the controller to replace wail with weewoo. And WOW! What a difference in the way people responded to hearing a new siren! But after a while of us hearing the hypnotic sound of the weewoo for over an hour at 3am I/we decided to switch it back. Side note: We had a cardiac call, and upon entering the city limits I hit the weewoo, the medic in the back had a mini heart attack because they thought the lifepak was making the charge/check pt alarm.
The good thing about the Hi-Lo/Two-tone style sirens, is that they aren't drenched in the city sounds like the normal "American style" siren, but stands out better. The other advantage is that it's easier to get a bearing of it, if it's going away from you or towards you, because of the clearly different tone pitch depending on which.
Pretty good job on finding sirens closely matching. Hats of for that. Funny thing is that the Firetruck goes right to left and the sound does go left to right :) :P
The first sentence of the description says “Yeah, there’s an emergency, but let’s enjoy the ride.” Like WTF?! We have these sirens for a reason people.
I'm from a small town in Maine called Dover-Foxcroft and those are already EVERYWHERE. Some of the Police cars already have a French 3 style electric siren. And the Fire Engines have a British sort of tone to it. To be honest, culturally in Maine. We know that we are Americans, but we still have VERY strong bonds to Spain, France, Canada, Britain, Belgium, The Netherlands, Denmark and Portugal. So many things here, like the sirens of a Police car are more "Euro" as some people would say it. Btw, Ambulances also have that French 3 tone electronic siren as well except they are a little deeper in terms of pitch
Firetrucks here in Chile, have a combination of European and American-styled sounds. And it works wonders, I must say! It's not un-common to hear a combination Q-style, a Martin-Horn and Rumbler, going down the street to an emergency, so it's just a matter of getting used to it.
nicely timed doppler effect by the way, good work on the editing. I hope I can be a police officer soon, I'm 33 and I am ready for it. Wish me luck for the application please :D
EnjoyFirefighting - International Emergency Response Videos Because they have to spend money to get the new sirens put in, which means paying workers, which also means buying the new siren. It’s a waste of money, but it moves it around to workers.
not necessarily: most siren modules have that mode already built in, the only thing to do is literally flipping a switch; Some other sirens might not have a switch but only need to connect or disconnect a cable ... sth anyone at a station can do
@@EnjoyFirefighting I think the "European siren" policy should be renamed "hi-lo" or "two tone" siren policy because it sounds more descriptive. These politicians need to learn a thing or two. Euro sirens could be anything from Martinhorn to the Federal Signal AS sirens...which also have wail and yelp besides hi-lo. Many American sirens actually have hilo tones, so it isnt just "European". Hell, even POS China sirens have the hilo tones being proposed. Now to the fun part: What sirens have the hilo tones, vs which ones dont. The EQ2B's that FDNY use all do not have a hilo tone, so this will be a lot to replace. Neither do the PA4000's used by the ambulances. This is where the bulk cost of replacement will be. NYPD lucks out because the SmartSiren has a hilo tone. Other services may vary due to the large variety of sirens used by them. The biggest issue will be federal agencies such as FBI, DSS and so on. They are federal agencies and run sirens in NYC. Do they fall under the city' policies or go by their own rules? Many of these federal vehicles use a variety of sirens, some having hilo, others not.
@@sixstringbestfriend not to mention EQs are super expensive! It's just a bad idea all together. It's a city, there will be noise. They need to get over themselves
how is it an argument that they might be used at international airports? Most other large and international airports don't use wail/yelp sirens just because they are international ones
it would be good if everyone in the world would have the same noise so everyone excatly knows when your help is arriving! :) thanks to all good officers, fireworkers etc. thanks for doing a great job and keeping a lot of people save
1:20 the yellow taxi has almost enough space for a whole car at his left and is like: "Sorry guys I cannot move out of the way, there is nothing I can do"
nope its never be terrible its best idea with sirens germans and sirens americans its terrible and ugly and its same air raid siren yachhhhhhhhhh and best sirens germans i want this in all city from country and americans sirens never exist >:)
There are two types of sirens- mechanical sirens (which are usually only found on fire trucks these days) and electronic sirens (which are found on police cars, ambulances, and are also additionally found on firetrucks as a second siren to the mechanical ones). Virtually all electronic sirens that have been made in the US in the last 40 years have multiple modes including the European hi/lo tones, but we simply don't use them for some reason.
on this side of the pond mechanical sirens aren't only to be found on fire apparatus but also on small to large EMS vehicles, police trucks and apparatus from other departments and agencies. Among hi-lo sirens there are 3 types of sirens (electronic, supertone, mechanical) with a total number of 11 siren modes, of which 5 are legal in Germany
@@EnjoyFirefighting I would be interested in knowing how a mechanical hi-lo siren works. We also have a brand of electronic siren called The Rumbler that has a traditional sound as well as a subsonic sound that you can feel as well as hear. It is supposed to alert people who are playing music too loud, or have earbuds in. It really seems to work-I have never had anyone fail to yield.. it really is quite a sound.
@@victor-charlesscafati there's an air compressor and 2 sets of 2 horns each; The air compressor is running all the time and is alternating the air provided to the one set of horns and then the other set of horns: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ESCx2oLdvx8.html It's technically like an airhorn, just that it doesn't have one but two tones, and that it's running as siren and not and airhorn
I love those hi-lo sirens, I wish that we hear them in Canada where I am from. All we have for sirens are wail/yelp/phaser but no hi-lo sirens in Fort Frances where I live
Idk i'm from Europe where and they use both kind of siren. I find it easier to individuate where the emergency vehicle is coming from with the German type.
I guess it's not just about the few seconds, but rather the ongoing sound effect by emergency vehicles passing by evry few minutes, and also for emergency crews sitting in the emergency vehicles
Guys, its not about what you like, its about what is best. Its a fact that European sirens are better to hear in loud places 🤷🏻♂️ Yes i “like” US Sirens but as you know: safety first
a lot safer? Define a siren being safe or not safe, please. Decimal rate? Do you mean decibel rate? In case you do, it's not quite correct, as there are sirens which are exactly as loud as the ones on the other side of the pond
Why the hell would they do that? The American sirens, especially the wider range of available variations, are suited way better for crowded cities like NYC
@@EnjoyFirefighting Believe me, um driving hi-lo in Germany myself - they suck. The option of switching between different sound patterns like in the US would be a blessing
@@cyberhopser4231 I don't know where in Germany you are at, but although we only have the electronic ones on our units I can't complain about not being noticed by other drivers. We have 3 different siren modes, I use 2 of them and it's fine
I think two tones tend too be easier to identify the direction the they are coming from especially in built up areas for example like at a city intersection
Jaymes quite often you first hear the emergency vehicle without being able to see it; Then it would be useful to know if it was behind you, coming from the right, left or from ahead of you. I filmed so many emergency vehicles, and with those having wail/yelp sirens I often ran into the completly wrong direction to film it
@Keone Mohana what about the value of having emergency crews which don't suffer hearing problems while protecting people living, working and visiting NYC?
I had hi/lows on my cruiser that I used when approaching an intersection then right back yelp. All I can say for hi/low is pedestrians move better but cars don’t move at all. The brighter the lights the better traffic cleared.
It’s not suppose to be satisfying, sirens are intended so people know there’s an emergency so they can pull over, be aware of what’s coming and move out the way
NYPD also used European style sirens in the fleet as well, as the Ford Fusion, the Chevrolet Impala, the Ford Police Interceptor Utility and the Ford Police Interceptor Sedan.
Trogonix ZeNW there's no specific FIre / EMS / Police siren in Germany ... basicly you can hear any type of siren on emergency vehicles from any kind of emergency service
Es geht aber um die tonlage/frequenz wie die sirenen sind, weil sie von weiteren distanzen besser gehört werden, ich rede jetzt von den deutschen high low sirenen, die einfach effektiver sind
As a Polish, i hear sometimes hear sirens like that on our old fire trucks, like JELCZ and STAR. And the only reason they move to the side is because they don’t want a 500 zł fine (£100)
If the bill passed I don't think all vehicles would have to be re-fitted with new sirens. Most US made electronic sirens have a hi-lo tone. The eQ2b does not have the hi-lo tone, so FDNY would have to replace sirens in some of its trucks.
@@germandude8601 es ist kein Scherz: der Gesetzentwurf liegt vor; Ich hab das ganze dann nur weiter gesponnen, wie es wäre, wenn man sich für diverse Deutsche Folgetonhörner entscheiden WÜRDE, ab Minute 2 sind alle Aufnahmen aus den USA mit einer Tonspur eines Deutschen Videos versehen
well some fire departments in the US and Canada use various types of European hi-lo sirens already. Down in South America, especially Chile, that's not even an exception but plain normal standard for the FD using both American trucks with American and European sirens, and European trucks with American and European sirens as well
