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European Sword Maker Tier List - Ultimate Sword Buying Guide, Collab with  

Kane Shen
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This is the 1st half of the makers, the 2nd half of this list can be viewed here • European Sword Maker T... .
Per senior sword reviewer Matthew Jensen's invitation, I am ranking the major makers of European swords (historical, and historically-inspired fantasy and modern ones) in a tier list. ‪@alientude‬ ( • Euro-inspired sword Ma... ) and ‪@Matthew_Jensen‬ ( • Euro-inspired sword Ma... ) have both done their own tier list and we have also ranked Japanese sword makers in a live stream video ( • Katana Manufacturer Ti... ).
Makers:
00:00 Introduction
01:16 Albion
04:06 Angus Trim
13:14 Arms & Armor
20:11 Angel Sword
26:08 Art of Fire and Iron
27:27 Balaur Arms
33:11 BKS
38:32 Black Fencer
40:15 Badger Blades
41:20 Brian Kerce
42:27 Carlos Cordeiro
42:47 Castle Keep
43:56 Cloudhammer Steelworks
46:03 Cold Steel
54:27 Crown Forge
55:03 Damian Sulowski
56:26 Darksword Armory
01:09:51 Darkwood Armory
01:10:53 Deepeeka
01:14:45 Del Tin
01:17:01 Dynasty Forge
01:19:02 Elgur
01:19:45 Ensifer
01:21:00 Fable Blades
01:22:46 Fabrice Cognot
01:24:11 Gael Fabre
01:25:13 Hanwei
01:30:25 Honshu
01:34:55 In'Carius Craft
01:37:42 Jeffrey Robinson
01:38:45 James Elmslie
01:39:42 John Lundemo
01:40:51 Josh Davis
01:41:31 KC Lund
01:41:56 Kingdom of Arms
01:44:30 Kingston Arms
01:47:53 Krieger Historical
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@JoeSteel1
@JoeSteel1 4 месяца назад
Great job on this video as a good follow up
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much, Joe!
@user-ck5ys3eb6x
@user-ck5ys3eb6x 4 месяца назад
That was a Very fine video! Although almost two hours long,it was well worth the watch! Waiting for the second part.Kane,you are a real jem for the whole sword community.Thank you for your time and effort.Cheers from Greece...
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much for the support! The second half is coming very soon!
@johncimino3133
@johncimino3133 4 месяца назад
Great job Kane, can't wait to see the rest! While his hair may be thinning a bit, do you think Matt will take offense at being called "senior"? ;-)
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you! haha, I'm sure Matt wouldn't be made being called a senior reviewer!
@UnsheathedSwordReviews
@UnsheathedSwordReviews 4 месяца назад
Firstly I'd like to thank you for all the work that went into a very well made video. I really liked your take on DSA. I think you hit all the important information that people need to know about them. And you voiced your frustration with them, without bashing them. That was really well done. But I do think that you were pretty generous with your ranking of them 😂
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much! Part 2 of the tier list video has even more exposes on some controversial makers. So stay tuned. Yeah, despite the harsh criticisms I leveled at a few makers, I have been exceedingly generous in terms of the final letter ranking, when it comes to someone's business and livelihood. In this system, the criteria I set is that as long as the outputs by a maker is not downright a deliberate scam, I wouldn't rate the maker as tier-F. We can easily knock everybody on this list a peg and downgrade everybody one letter grade, and only elevate a few makers to tier-S, as James Elmslie humbly suggested. But I like the current way I rank it, so that as long as a maker has genuine interests and experience in the research of historical and practical swords and has a solid understanding of the functionality, and they have roughly over 99% customer satisfaction rate based on years of observation, they should be in Tier S. There may very well be Tier SS and SSS. And within all the works of one maker, there would also be different tiers. Some pieces of a maker would obviously have more complexity, with more research and labor invested in them over other pieces by the same guy.
@tobytoxd
@tobytoxd 4 месяца назад
I agree! That part with DSA was super interesting for me.
@economicroyalist2586
@economicroyalist2586 4 месяца назад
You have shown yourself to be the leading expert on reproduction swords. This list is really informative with all the photos and videos. I appreciate your time and effort!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you. After 10 hours of filming, 180GB of video footage, and 60 hours of editing just for the 1st half of this video, it's incredibly gratifying to hear some recognition of my effort.
@economicroyalist2586
@economicroyalist2586 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold Oh you are welcome and deserving of high praises for your good work.
@TheGoldenBear79
@TheGoldenBear79 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience Sir. You are obviously knowledgeable and passionate about the subject matter, and that shows in the quality of your content. I very much appreciate your effort to educate while entertaining with your in-depth reviews. I love history, science, and practically all weapons to some extent, so your content is fascinating to me. I look forward to seeing the next part of this list. Thanks again my friend. Best wishes to you and your family. ✌️🇺🇸
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much! I sincerely hope you enjoy the 2nd half of this video, and the rest of the content I created for this channel!
@CipherJin
@CipherJin 4 месяца назад
Very informative! Didn't finish the vid yet (lunch over) you've brought many vendors to my radar! Thank you! Looking forward to more content
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much. Hope you can enjoy the rest of the video!
@tobytoxd
@tobytoxd 4 месяца назад
Yes, same to me. I have my eyes on the Black Fencer Type XVIIIa Longsword. This looks really nice for the price!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
@@tobytoxd yes the Black Fencer sharp longsword seems to be a very solid choice. I haven’t got the chance to personally verify it.
@JT_Soul
@JT_Soul 4 месяца назад
Excellent video! This is a very valuable overview. Thanks for your consistently high quality content.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much 🙏
@tobytoxd
@tobytoxd 4 месяца назад
It is so valuable indeed!
@j.g.elmslie9901
@j.g.elmslie9901 4 месяца назад
"Sword Maker Tier List" part 1. 1 hour, 47 mins, and you've only reached "K". Oh, I feel sorry for any poor eastern European smith with a name like "Zsolt Zelensky"... Very much appreciate the mention, too. Now, BRB, just going to go change my name to Aaron Aardvark for the next time you do a video. :D
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
I was actually thinking about the names of the production companies and whether they had any foresight on future techs such as search engine optimization back in the 80s, or at least being the first in the alphabetically-ordered catalog by starting their names at A. Well-deserved tier-S. Hopefully I will be able to experience your work in the future!
@j.g.elmslie9901
@j.g.elmslie9901 4 месяца назад
It certainly was the case back in the old days of "yellow pages" telephone books, that a lot of businesses would call themselves "A1 plumbers" or the likes, specifically so they would be the first business when someone frantically tried to find a plumber for that burst pipe. I've no doubt plenty of people were savvy enough to do the same in the search engines. I must admit, I'm not entirely convinced by the Tier S... I'd like to say I'm good at what I do, but Gael Fabre, Fabrice Cognot, Owen Bush, Petr Florianek, and of course, Peter Johnsson all deserve to be one notch higher still, in my books.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
@j.g.elmslie9901 I appreciate the modesty. I mean one can always subdivide within same tier, as long as you place more than 1 entity in there, you can have preferences over one or more over the others. I mean you can even go further and say even each individual piece by the same maker would not and should not be on the same tier as his other work. But this is just a broad impression based on the community feedback and how well-regarded makers are. I mean even Gus Trim mentioned that he would place a couple in the “Sword God” tier, maybe we could have tier-SS and tier-SSS, like the “OVER 9000 POWER LEVEL” meme.
@j.g.elmslie9901
@j.g.elmslie9901 4 месяца назад
Aye, Peter deserves a category all of his own. he's definitely Over 9000. Or maybe We Are Not Worthy(tm) You could hate a guy for being that talented, if it wasnt the case he's such a nice bloke! And honestly, the entire typology work I've done is because he encouraged me at the RL Scott conference in Glasgow way back when I was just bandying ideas around.
@Duzzies-101
@Duzzies-101 4 месяца назад
55:48 that's my sword!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Damian definitely makes some beautiful swords!
@Duzzies-101
@Duzzies-101 4 месяца назад
@FortuneFavoursTheBold he truly does! I've made a brief comparison video showing that sword vs the Albion knight
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
@@Duzzies-101 Nice. I'll check it out.
@Scottish-Batman
@Scottish-Batman 4 месяца назад
Great vid Kane! ^^ Am in complete agreement with your well reasoned arguments and justifications, you clearly deserve more subscribers!!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Many thanks! 🙏🙏🙏
@tobytoxd
@tobytoxd 4 месяца назад
Very true!
@KF1
@KF1 4 месяца назад
27:08 that is a right beautiful sword. Had no idea they made this. Great vid, very informative to a non euro collector
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you! The sword you pointed out at the timestamp is a rapier made by the Art of Fire and Iron.
@KF1
@KF1 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold sweet! Love that one. Hey can I ask you a favour? Lookin' for detailed specs of a type XIV arming sword to send for custom to a Pakistani forge from ebay. I can get generic specs from dealer websites, tho wondering if you had anything more detailed? Thanks if possible
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Sure. What specific example of type XIV are you looking for?
@KF1
@KF1 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold maybe Atrim? What's best for someone 5'9"? Thinking 2lbs, not more
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Excellent choice!
@ravedubin3515
@ravedubin3515 2 месяца назад
I like watching your videos to keep myself up to date, so nobody can bamboozle me into buying their BS.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 2 месяца назад
Glad that I’m able to help.
@watcherofeluvian1357
@watcherofeluvian1357 3 месяца назад
You sing praises of the heroes and call out the villains. Much respect!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 3 месяца назад
I just do my due diligence when my peers pledge to do the same.
@nightshade7240
@nightshade7240 4 месяца назад
I have multiple pieces from Brian Kerce and his woodworking skills are unmatched. His blades are excellent but definitely more practical in many ways than the complexity of something like Albion. He's a small single maker though, so that's to be expected. All of the unusual things I've requested of him in the way of wooden furniture he has accommodated and knocked out of the park. Definitely look him up if you are looking for something off the beaten path like wooden inlays on scabbards or more unusual blade types like khopesh. His prices were also extremely fair.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing your experience. Brian is an underrated maker, people should support these small businesses like his forge.
@nightshade7240
@nightshade7240 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBoldHe made me a La Tene with a purple blade and a fluted handle with wire inlay. It's an incredible piece.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
@nightshade7240 hopefully he gets more chances to create more swords like that instead of shutting down his business.
@abumorgan1421
@abumorgan1421 4 месяца назад
A great video ! I am subscribing!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much!
@salvadordali3566
@salvadordali3566 4 месяца назад
This is the most informative guide for people in the market. I cannot wait to see the complete list!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Appreciate the support. The second half has been uploaded after 180 hours of work, and will be released this Thursday.
@ianyoung6706
@ianyoung6706 4 месяца назад
Okay! Fine! You sold me on Angel Sword. I’ll order one tomorrow. 😂
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Good choice, sir. You won't be disappointed. Do an unboxing video, you might go viral.
@ianyoung6706
@ianyoung6706 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold 😉 seriously though, you really DID sell me on Balaur. I said I would probably go for another LK or a Balaur, and your info tipped the scale for me. I only wish I had struck while some of the other models were also available.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
@@ianyoung6706 LK Chen and Balaur Arms models made by Lk Chen is currently the smartest way to spend money on swords. The value is surreal. I liked their swords to begin with, but in the past couple of years, they really shocked me by what insane quality they output.
@AOWGroundBeef
@AOWGroundBeef 4 месяца назад
Great stuff, I've enjoyed these tier reviews that I've watched so far from you, Matt and Kyle.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you! And the intention of this project is to also inspired others to share their experience or even entire tier lists of their own with added makers that we have missed.
@JoeyGutierrezz
@JoeyGutierrezz Месяц назад
Thank you for the honest review of these brands of maker. You are like the Marques Brownlee of swords!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold Месяц назад
I'm not familiar with that name your dropped but I assume it's someone of repute in the review business.
@AngloSaxon1
@AngloSaxon1 3 месяца назад
Great Video, extremely interesting and very well researched. Maybe you could do a review of Armour Class swords, they are based in Scotland.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 3 месяца назад
Thank you and great suggestion. I have heard of Armour Class, but I'm not overly familiar with their work. Will check it out.
@nightcitysamurai
@nightcitysamurai Месяц назад
Epic review that's on point! Hope you can do a tier list of samurai sword makers.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold Месяц назад
Thanks! Actually there is already a 4-hour long live stream on Matthew Jensen's channel of all of us rating each katana manufacture.
@tobytoxd
@tobytoxd 4 месяца назад
Only half way through, but man this is so valuable. Thank you very much for your work! I hope, you will keep this table with the ratings updated from time to time in the future. That would be cool! Maybe this is the plan? Can't wait what i'll learn next in the 2nd half of the 1st half and in the 2nd half of the 1st and 2nd half ... 😁
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Glad that this is of help. The 2nd half is out and it’s even longer. It’s chaptered to every maker on the list, so it should be convenient to snap to the section of any maker. I recommend watching it in full, though. And yes, I plan to keep it updated when new information comes to light. There is also a plan to feature a number of makers who are overlooked by this list, which has the makers nominated by my peers. I always encourage people to share their experiences, with concrete data and pictorial/visual evidence to back their claims.
@tobytoxd
@tobytoxd 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBoldThat's great to hear and a major contribution to the community and people like me, who are totally new into it. Yes and you are right, with my 3 weeks i only scratched the surface.
@tobytoxd
@tobytoxd 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBoldAlso your talk about DSA is super interesting. Thank you!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
@@tobytoxd you are doing the right thing that is digging a little bit to find out what’s going on in the industry, and doing your due diligence before making the first purchase. It’s being financially responsible and making sure you get the best experience when you enter a nee hobby.
@tobytoxd
@tobytoxd 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold Yes, i am trying to spend my money with some knowledge of the market. Diligence is a nice word, had to look it up :) If i'm not wrong, i did find a mistake in your video: at timestamp 1:18:59 you give Dynasty Forge a C, but did put it in B.
@Ugojglc
@Ugojglc 2 месяца назад
Thank you so much ! I'd love to hear you about : Ronin Katana, Art of swordmaking by Maciej Kopciuch
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 2 месяца назад
They are both in the second half of this tier list in the link in the description.
@arthurdayne5559
@arthurdayne5559 4 месяца назад
Great video! I sometimes call Darksword Armoury Dicksword Armoury because most of their fans and the vendor keep pumping out keywords and phrases like Hard, Stiff, Battle Hardened Ready Stiff Sword, Stiff Not Floppy, Not Floppy Real Stiff Hard etc it’s like these guys sleep with these swords or something.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Good to see you again, Arthur Dayne! Your review of the DSA Nuke is a revelation. All true about Darksword as they cultivate and appeal to such a toxic crowd. There was once a discussion in a Facebook group about DSA “Viking swords” have grip far too long to be historical. An acolyte of DSA threw a drunken fit and threatened several people including me and the group admin’s families, thus getting banned. More than a year later, he sent me more than 300 hate messages one night at 3AM without me knowing it even. I woke up and saw the column of hate messages and pressed block button once to end it.
@arthurdayne5559
@arthurdayne5559 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold I'm glad that you kept your standards and good taste, not compromising and straight up telling it as it is. I still remember the sbgforum community meltdown over "sword stats" and how some members didn't like it because it reminded them to have standards not just lump everything both crap and high quality into the same pool of A OK Good Enough Bro, still cracks me up and kind of sad too, I stopped browsing the forums after that. I think this video is one of your best, this tier list is super useful, wish I had something like this when I started out in this hobby so long ago. I like how you make that important distinction between swords that are decent/good from something really fantastic. Example is with Balaur Arms/LK Chen collaboration lines part, it would be easy to lump it in the same category as Hanwei, Kingston Arms, Dynasty Forge, Del Tin and tell someone that these are all good enough just a small price difference, can't go wrong etc and leave it at that but like you showed: there is a huge difference in quality, Balaur Arms/LK Chen collaboration lines swords are far higher quality than those other ones. Without these distinctions it would be like going on Amazon and seeing all 4-5 Star reviews for various brands of the same product when in reality some products are vastly superior or inferior to the other that they belong on their own tier. Love your videos and humor :)
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
@arthurdayne5559 100% wholeheartedly agree and thank you for your understanding and support. SBG became the worst version of itself and the complete opposite of its founding principles that is guiding consumers to distinguish between the good from the mediocre, distinguishing the truly fantastic from the run-of-the-mill good ones, and calling out the truly ugly and scammy businesses. Unfortunately over the years, financial interests gradually became involved, meanwhile it became a place for a ting minority of the community saw it a platform for gatekeeping and power-trips. It became what it originally set out to fight against. No matter, its demise and the fall of forums as a obsolete medium only have only made way for people to have more democratic platforms in this hobby. Glad to be able to chat with you again! Honestly sometimes I have been wondering what you have been up to after disappearing from SBG.
@MrMetonicus
@MrMetonicus 4 месяца назад
You don't?
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Who don't do what?
@TheHazmate
@TheHazmate 28 дней назад
Late comment, but keep it going Kane, love your work!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 28 дней назад
Thank you so much for your support!
@Jim58223
@Jim58223 4 месяца назад
Time stamps past 59 mins don't work you have to put it in hours and mins not just mins or youtube wont recognize it.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you! Will correct that!
@ТУМАН78
@ТУМАН78 4 месяца назад
Nice
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much!
@abumorgan1421
@abumorgan1421 Месяц назад
Great video!, I’ve learned a lot about a lot of seller specially The Art Of Sword Making, when I first saw his work I was impressed and I don’t think someone who won’t be, but never knew that they preform bad which is a disappointment. You have a diverse arsenal of sword from the world but I bet you don’t have Omani Sword 😀 This comment should be on the part 2 of the video but wrongly I commented here🙂
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold Месяц назад
Sure thing. Omani swords? Swords from Oman? Like a Khanjar?
@abumorgan1421
@abumorgan1421 Месяц назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold yes sword from oman not khanjar, khanjar is a dagger omani sword comes in 2 versions katara which is slightly curved double edged sword and a straight double edged sword Unfortunately there’s no replicas that is functional and battle ready all what we have today is just for ceremonial purposes and sword dancing
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold Месяц назад
@@abumorgan1421 Interesting!
@PAVLOVICDORDESERBIA
@PAVLOVICDORDESERBIA 4 месяца назад
very informative video! do you know if albion ships to europe?
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much. Albion definitely ships to Europe. They used to have manufacturing operations in Europe, a workshop I believe but now they shut that one down, and will send swords from the US to Europe.
@daemon_I_blackfyre
@daemon_I_blackfyre 6 дней назад
You have become a kingmaker with the release of this video.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 5 дней назад
I don’t know about being a kingmaker, but at least I could certainly expose a couple of makers without “conscience”, to borrow someone’s own words. 😅
@apocalypticswordsman768
@apocalypticswordsman768 2 месяца назад
Very helpful video. I still want to know your opinion on APOC swords.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 2 месяца назад
Thank you. I think I did include APOC, didn’t I?
@apocalypticswordsman768
@apocalypticswordsman768 2 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold I need to check out the other video, there are too many makers.
@AOWGroundBeef
@AOWGroundBeef 4 месяца назад
In'Carius doesn't seem to be selling on Etsy anymore...or at the moment.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
I checked, he indeed closed shop on Etsy focusing taking orders by PM only.
@TarpShooter
@TarpShooter 4 месяца назад
did..did he just say he owns 16 Albions?
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Yes, sir! And the 17th--the Chevalier just reached my house the day before yesterday.
@vorynrosethorn903
@vorynrosethorn903 4 месяца назад
He owns property in Canada, at this rate people will be speculating that he's the founder of Bitcoin.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
@vorynrosethorn903 lmao, I think the real estate market in the US especially the West Coast cities are just as crazy as Canada.
@vorynrosethorn903
@vorynrosethorn903 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold Yeah, it's insane over here as well (especially London), but you aren't over 60 so you must be doing something right.
@JiyuKishiParn
@JiyuKishiParn 4 месяца назад
I did just receive a Vindaaris from DSA, bought it through the SBG store to get it sharpened while avoiding the usual fee associated with it, and I guess I "rolled good" on this one, so to speak. They even threw in the belt and integration accessory with it without charge even though I didn't order it. I have seen a number of DSA reviews, good and bad including that one from alientude where he got the floppy blade, but I liked this design enough to give it a chance, and really like what I got.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing your experience.
@aggelos_
@aggelos_ 4 месяца назад
Ive been looking for a Type XX but I wish Angus or Valiant made that model :( I feel in love with the Type XX that Castle Keep made on their site.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
For type XX I recommend the Albion Maximilian and Tyrolean. For XXa I recommend the Albion Viceroy.
@aggelos_
@aggelos_ 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold You sir, are a scholar and a gentleman! Thank you!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
@aggelos_ glad to be of help!
@aggelos_
@aggelos_ 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold Since you seem very knowledgeable on the topic, the blade geometry seems right on the swords you mentioned in terms of size dimensions but I thought most XX and XXa variants were primarily characterized by the triple fullers with the center one running at least 1/2 the length of the blade and the other two smaller ones going up to 1/3 on either side of the longer fuller. I remember reading that in a Oakeshott topology description before but to be honest Im not sure if that is just one feature or a standard of the topology if and it isnt for that what sets XX apart from say XVIIIa?
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
If you look at the examples given by Ewart Oakeshott to define type XX, there are 2 examples with two fullers, one in Vienna, one in private collection, the other 2 have tri-fuller, one in Glasgow, the other in Norwich. The tri-fuller with the central one terminating at midpoint are found on half of them, therefore not necessarily a defining feature. I think the most important feature is the blade that does not taper too much in the bottom half, but tapers enough in the top half to be more acute than type XIIa, and have more than one fuller. Type XXa does not have the tri-fuller feature, it's just one fuller but they always have a ricasso with two concave area flanking the central fuller.
@chevaliergryphon1308
@chevaliergryphon1308 4 месяца назад
Great video with one exception. The "far right" label. Its such a nonsense label. People are called that for disagreeing with "extreme leftists." My point being these political epithets for those we disagree with are subjective fluff we throw around to justify trying to destroy opposing viewpoints. We have to learn to talk to each other/debate each other again instead of dehumanizing with labels that often do not fit.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Sometimes labels are misused, true. But in this case, it's not just some inter-personal drama, or some generic political disagreement, or some childish Cultural War shenanigans, it's Holocaust Denialism, and general conspiracy that a certain group of ethnic people control every fibre of our society. I don't know if this is no longer considered "far right", and simply mainstreamed as middle-of-the-road views. The 4 other musicians in his band immediately denounced him and canceled the album with such Denialism inspiration. Don't know how much further fringe than this, but hey everything these days are mumble jumble so-called mere "disagreement" or "intellectual debate". I actually don't really want to give someone the platform to discuss this, and I don't want the discussion to get political. It's just every time you hear Castle Keep and Rob Miller, people ARE going to bring this up. So I simply pose a question to let the audience decide whether they can separate the art from the artist. Of course this wouldn't be enough, because people ENJOY getting political, while claiming they want to "keep politics out of xxxx discussion" but simply DYING to enter the fray. :facepalm:
@the_facelessman
@the_facelessman 4 месяца назад
I like lists. I have my own list, and everybody on that list should feel lucky.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
That is...rather unnerving.
@vorynrosethorn903
@vorynrosethorn903 4 месяца назад
Hopefully this is a birthday present list we are talking about. Though it may be a tad unfair to rank them.
@bobnewby8229
@bobnewby8229 4 месяца назад
Anyone know a decent saber you can get on a budget? I was looking at American civil war or French Napoleonic era saber. I saw cold steel had some that are not too expensive. Any experience with them?
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
LK Chen M1860 US Cavalry Saber is absolutely unbeatable. It is a 100% accurate reproduction.
@bobnewby8229
@bobnewby8229 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold Sweet, thanks!
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
@@bobnewby8229 Sure thing.
@buggibug9060
@buggibug9060 4 месяца назад
I have a question : What happened to Mr. Excalibur?
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
If you haven't heard, I am sorry to inform you that Arthur AKA Mr. Excalibur passed away last year after a short and brutal fight against a terminal illness. Arthur and I had our differences when it comes down to the taste of swords, but it really saddens me to see a member of the community go.
@buggibug9060
@buggibug9060 4 месяца назад
Thank you very much for your answer. I always enjoyed his reviews. In the last two years, however, he has struggled to speak. Swords were his big hobby. I'm very sorry.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Indeed. There was no denying that Arthur loved swords a great deal.
@silentkris2993
@silentkris2993 4 месяца назад
What about Windlass swords?
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Windlass, starts with a W, are discussed and ranked in the 2nd half of this video. Stay tuned!
@FiliiMartis
@FiliiMartis 4 месяца назад
Kane has a good form when cutting (better than mine) and I like his reviews - well, minus the annoying microphone, there’s something off with it, but I can’t pinpoint what. I do have an issue with the sword makers tier lists. My issue is that some makers make martial swords, others make art swords, and some make high quality sword like objects - a.k.a not swords, I want those makes to improve fast or go away. So these should not be on the same list. Don’t get me wrong, I like hearing thoughts on sword makers, I just don’t like the tier system. But fine, I’ll accept it as a framing device for the video. Since I have experience with Castle Keep… I can say that Rob Miller is an artist first and foremost (and no offence to people that want to push controversy, I don’t care; and now I hear a different take on the issue; so WTF, I want to see a video on swords, not pointless drama; keep the discussion on swords, or make a serious journalistic investigation on a separate channel; the sword community is not a big community to fragmented it every other week for the sake of drama). Rob made me a beautiful side-sword. Now, I used a historical piece to ground the project in reality, I specified what I want, and then I let Rob’s skills to take over. The end result is on his website and is gorgeous. However, don’t think that it’s perfect, and don’t think that if I have to pick up a sword to fight with I would choose this one. This is a proper sword made by an artist, and I allowed for it to be an artistic project more than I do with other makes, but it’s not something I would classify as a martial sword. If you want a sword from Rob Miller, after you wait for 2-3 years to get your place in queue, you will get an art piece. So look at the swords he prices at 6k ($, £, €, who cares at this price point) and judge him on his artistic skills. That’s how I would rank art swords and their makers. And of course the swords cuts well and all that, but that’s sharpness - even sword like objects can do that. Martial swords start with the blade and they don’t always make good backyard/competition cutters. So would I classify the type XIX bladed swords from Albion as martial? Yea! But here’s the kick, I like the feel in my hand of the LK Chen's Ribaldo more than the Albion's Machiavelli. Why? I suspect because the Ribaldo follows a historical example that benefited from on-hand feedback when these Milanese swords were originally made. From all the swords designed by Peter Johnsson for Albion, I like the Brescia the most, a.k.a. a relatively faithful reproduction from their museum line that has the least amount of added design in it. I suspect Peter Johnsson allowed his geometrical ideas to take over too much - one should look at moments of inertia to get the rotations right as well (something I suspect occured naturally in the old days). So Albion would not be S if S is seen as perfect tier, since their swords don’t offer 100% of their martial potential. And LK Chen is not S because production limitations and some design issues (e.g. hilt block on rapiers don’t impress me). One is a better made as an object, the other is a better martial sword. Which of these qualities ranks the maker as S? In the end, LK Chen blades are great and Kane is right that people should go for them no matter the stamp on the blade, but if I am offered one of the two for free I would take the Albion because is more expensive. And in this case I would take a Castle Keep sword, or another maker of unique swords priced in the +10k range. Basically, the tier list can end up being a price list. I think that to be able to design a good martial sword you should know how to use a sword (in particular the sword type you make a list for). That’s why high quality HEMA trainers end up feeling more like the historical antiques I had the chance to handle (and yes, I’m allowing for variance; not all antiques are good swords; some were shit when they were made, never got to be used and ended up in collections over the years). Trainers capture the right dynamics because they are judged on their ability to do so. As a caviat, I think that what I'm saying is more important for 1-handed swords. Longswrods are more forgiving, or maybe one can compensate easier for bad dynamics, not sure. Last, if you want a scary sharp blade with good geometry, good at cutting, good dynamics for the style of weapon, good quality with a philosophy behind their assembly, just get a Gottfried or a Günther langmesser from Landsknecht Emporium and splurge on the pommel and scabbard options. You won’t break the bank and you'll get something quite really good. So the best sword is a knife. 🙂
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
There is some quite problematic takes in this response and I will address them all. But before that I would like to offer some explanation of the audio quality of my videos. I live in a metropolitan area so there's a lot of noise of traffic and even planes and ships in the background, however there's also the constant white noise from a waterfall next to my residence. It was quite difficult to filter that out, when I enjoy recording outdoors whether from my patio or in the garden, to eliminate space constraints to demonstrate sword usage, compare different swords, some of which are extremely large to even move around indoors. I have experimented also with some indoor filming lately with limited degree of success. I have to filter out the outdoor noise as much as I can but they are always there as bass, and some users experienced genuine difficulties hearing when they have enhanced bass from their speakers, I only noticed that when I put the video on my desktop speaker, but on headset or the speakers on TV the audio is mostly fine. Lately I started using a noise-canceling wireless mic, which is a god-sent, as the wired mics are basically useless to me outdoors, not to mention the danger of accidentally severing the wires with swords. Both the noise in the past and the noise cancelation in my current mic cause some distortion of my voice, not to mention that I often have to speed up the video when rendering as my videos are already too long, but I want to offer all the information I have at hand. Speeding up the recorded footage can also distort the voice to an extent, but the effect is minor. There is also a number of re-shoot in the video and I'm not sure if you have noticed, I try to keep the audio consistent but there will always be consistency issue. So thank you for putting up with my technical difficulties, it's ultimately the information I want to offer. These videos generally each takes 100-200 hours to produce, including the research, evidence gathering, interview, filming, re-filming, editing, rendering (which took 30 hours for this specific video). Most of other reviewers and sword channels record their footages in-doors, often in on take for a singular video--the exception being Matthew Jensen, who sometimes produce one video over the course of months. So with all that, there will be inconsistencies and quirks, and if it impacts the viewing experience, I apologize, but ultimately it's the quality of the information put forward that matters. At least to me.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Now let's talk about your take on the ranking and evaluation of makers or their works. I cannot speak for anybody else who would like to also partake on this endeavor to rank makers into rough tiers and elaborate on each case, but my standards are quite clear. As long as a maker has genuine interests and experience in the research of historical and practical swords and has a solid understanding of the functionality, and they have roughly over 99% customer satisfaction rate based on years of observation, they should be in Tier S, There may very well be Tier SS and SSS. And within all the works of one maker, there would also be different tiers. Some pieces of a maker would obviously have more complexity, with more research and labor invested in them over other pieces by the same guy. As long as the outputs by a maker is not downright a deliberate scam, I wouldn't rate the maker as tier-F. We can easily knock everybody on this list a peg and downgrade everybody one letter grade, and only elevate a few makers to tier-S, as James Elmslie humbly suggested. Now about your characterizations about practical and functional swords, I respectfully disagree. All LEGITIMATE swordmaking is art, and the resulting swords should all be functional and practical according to the martial purpose defined for the type of the sword (and arms and armor). There's no "art swords" or "martial swords", there are ACTUAL SWORDS and SWORD-LIKE-OBJECTS. Now there are highly decorated swords especially on the hilt components, but there are also austere looking swords focusing primarily on the practicality, even though the latter can still have a boat load of subtle things like complex geometries built in. But even highly decorated swords MUST be practical swords to begin with. They should perform equally with austere-looking swords, and all the decorative elements should in no shape or form negatively impact the functionality and ergonomics of the sword. My evaluations of swords look at how good they are as swords in the defined contexts, not how good of pieces of jewelry they are. Although, tasteful and historical decorative elements are a bonus PROVIDED they are excellent functional swords to begin with, otherwise, no amount of artisanal sculpting or gluing a bunch of precious stones from De Beers will make me rank them high. I fundamentally disagree with your characterization of the Albion type XIX and LK Chen's. The formers are a number of interpretation of type XIX, based on multiple antique examples, but finding the traits best suited for modern audience's aesthetic tastes in terms of hilt styles (Condottiere style battle sword, or Irish war sword, or Renaissance early sidesword), while the latter is a direct recreation of ONE museum piece--essentially the same as Albion's Museum-Line swords. None of them is better or worse, as they are designed to be DIFFERENT, and they had BETTER not just look but handle differently. All 4 handle extremely within their clearly-defined CONTEXTS. I demonstrated the Ribaldo's effectiveness in my review video. Even with all the different standards and emphases of Albion and LK Chen swords considered, neither is inherently better than the other. Just like Albion Museum-Line swords are not superior to their Next-Gen line swords, or inferior. They have different focuses (Museum-line swords have more investments poured into them due to the amount of extra research so they are pricier). My tier-list is by definition NOT a price-tier, as demonstrated makers that charge you less than others, such as LK Chen, Art of Fire and Iron can get S, or A, while Angel Sword gets a D (I know I'm being generous as most will rank it F), even though Angel Sword pieces are more expensive than 98% of the makers on this list. That's the whole point of reviewing swords, and making a tier-list of makers. It's not a hard science, but it's entirely based on evidence--be it our direct experience, or very credible and specific customer testimonies with pictorial and video evidence. About the makers in Tier-D, they rightfully deserve to be there, as I have elaborated. Yes, you could very well rank them F, if they do not seek to improve, although many of them have seen genuine improvements over the years. Whether they would suffice remains to be seen.
@FiliiMartis
@FiliiMartis 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBoldDon't take that comment too negatively. Take it more along the line that the sound is the only part that I don’t like and that everything else is good. And “ultimately it's the quality of the information put forward that matters”, which is why I watch your content (and alinetude and Matthew_Jensen for that matter; each offers a different view on things). Anyway, I’m glad you are aware of the sound issues. And yes, the quality is indeed better than earlier videos.
@FiliiMartis
@FiliiMartis 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold To preface my reply, Kane, you do you. This is your channel after all. I think I’m getting more jaded with years, while at the same time I'm getting more knowledgeable. The added experience makes me look at different things when it comes to swords -- more function in the right context (e.g. I love asymmetry dictated by function now, which is something I would have rejected when I started collecting) -- while at the same time I am becoming more intransigent with what I want in a sword. And I guess I’ll ‘accuse' James Elmslie to be older and with much more experience than me, so I would not be surprised that my views align more with his. Basically, no S unless they match all aspects of a sword (something to strive for; make it aspirational) and I don’t want to see D tier makers. My classification for SOL includes your D tier in a way. I have bought cheap swords like any other person (honestly, the waiting times measured in years are so hard to endure in the beginning of sword collecting), but in retrospective I would have preferred shops not to carry those brands. It maybe harsh, but I want the field to move forward even if it leaves brands behind (this is not an apprentice needing time to get better situation; those brands won't improve, they are US Ren faire type products). And the C tier product should strive to improve, Windlass managed to improve with their Royal Armoury line, I want more of that (I saw them to be as Cold Steel, but I guess I’ll see what you have to say when you get to W). Btw, it's fair to point out that I’m using your tier list in the conversation and thus I’m invalidating my objection to tier lists being useful. I’m ok with you disagreeing with my classification. I think we may have a misinterpretation of ‘jewellery' in this context but is not that important (btw, I actually find jewels and gold in swords off-putting, except if they were there to begin with, e.g. a migration era swords with rare stones in the hilt). The art for me includes the steel, the pattern, and the variety of swords a maker can do. I will always be more impressed with a maker of basket-hilts, rapiers or a chiselled small-sword than with a simple arming sword. The former are the makers that I see as having a higher artistic ability, and those are the people I will give freedom to surprise me with their craft. It may be unfair to others, but I do look at those makers differently. You know the views of Ilya Alekseyev from @ThatWorks expressed in his Heretic sword video? The idea of pursuing the aesthetics over functionality because the aesthetics of a presentation sword can be more valuable in securing a military alliance than the martial quality of a single sword? I think he is right, and at the same time I don’t care about those swords in a way. Not only that I like martial swords and I want to see more of them, but I want to see more and more aspects of a martial sword being captured as we move forward. But martial aspects are not about the looks, but about the use, and that depends on the skill of the user, which depend on the sword design, which impact the possible technique, which… you see where I’m going with this, it’s not straight forward. A sword made to cut tatami mats will always be easier to gauge. I don’t know if there’s an agree to disagree situation, but I’ll stop here. P.S. "I demonstrated the Ribaldo's effectiveness in my review video.” Yes, I know, that’s why I bought mine a week after. I wanted it to be a cheap substitute to my Albion so I can goof around with it in my garden. And then I found out that I enjoy it more in my hand than the Machiavelli (even if not by a lot; e.g. when doing some Manciolino solo drills). Albion is still better when it comes to aesthetics and build quality, but on martial aspects, this episode made me realize that they have room for better. So now I want better from them.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
No problem. The audio has long been a problem for my production and I'm glad and relieved that it has been resolved to a certain extent now. As for the tier ranking standards, each one of us has our own, and that's fine. It's probably a good thing if more sword collectors and practitioners can voice their opinions with receipts attached--not just an arbitrary assignment for each maker. This is probably the original intent of Matthew Jensen, who is the advocate of this practice, and essentially other reviewers like alientude and myself are essentially responding to his call to arms. Although I have voiced my disagreement with you on this matter, it is by no mean to discourage discussions. I specifically promote discussion of points and rankings people have disagreement with me in the comment section at the beginning of the video. So it's all good, as other sword friends visiting the comment section will see your opinions and that's some great interactive experience.
@vorynrosethorn903
@vorynrosethorn903 4 месяца назад
Usually I would rate right wing views as a plus, but other than not being able to find all that much on Rob Miller's controversy he is a Gnostic, which at least to me is much more objectionable than edgy takes or intracommunity drama. From what I've seen he refused to disassociate with and condemn a friend who is pretty off the reservation with a certain notorious type of historical denialism, also he has basically displayed himself to not be in line with other societal dogmas (notably to do with a certain vaccine). But honestly the music sphere is full of eccentrics and personally I don't think it's right to betray friends even if they have enough screws loose to set up a hardware shop. It seems like the usual drama in scenes like that. Gnosticism on the other hand is proactively dangerous, and not the James Lindsay "everything I don't like is Gnostic" sense, anti-natilism and heretical anti-reality/life mysticism are genuine threats to civilisation and banes of human existence. We must guard our souls against such things. It's a shame as he makes things which have very limited decent makers, like mortuary hilts and highland broadswords. Bit on the pricey side, but standard for many custom makers and reasonable when it comes to those less prevalent swords.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Thank you for sharing your experience with the man’s work and his political takes. Tricky one as it’s always a can of worms when someone comes out with their fringe political views and then further got entangled in social dramas facing disassociation with friends and peers. Shame, really. It's probably a good thing to separate the art from the artist, but we ARE rating the artist, not individual pieces of sword. I think I have been fair rating him as N/A so it’s left to individual viewers to make up their own minds. Also, Matthew Jensen shared his hands-on experience with a few pieces by Castle Keep and had a different rating I would have given to him, you can check out Jensen’s tier list to find out.
@vorynrosethorn903
@vorynrosethorn903 4 месяца назад
@@FortuneFavoursTheBold Yeah, Jensen didn't like them, he's always refreshingly blunt, shows how straightforwardly honest he is. Meh, it's the internet and the modern age, if I threw a rock I'd have trouble missing people like that, the reason it has attention is that he was of some limited fame in an area which has real media attention. Usually these things are just incredibly localised internet dramas. But obviously tensions are high over this specific issue as of late, perhaps I don't take it seriously as here in Britain the whole thing is ridiculously performative when the Rotherham issue is still unresolved, it being distanced suddenly makes it a safe topic of anger. I tend to think of creations as being a part of the creator, but I deal with philosophy where that is very explicitly the case, as they are often self-justifications as much as anything. Not sure a sword has much more than is put into it, though if I saw otherwise I'd be impressed. Also thanks for the reviews they are excellent, and just what the community needs, it's a shame they have largely been moved away from by larger channels. Any plan on covering Shashkas? Peserey Handicrafts is the seeming popular custom maker (out in Turkey), and rukalibr is the Russian manufacturer of note, though those would probably be trouble to source.
@daedricprinceofdebauchery7157
@daedricprinceofdebauchery7157 4 месяца назад
You are the champion of Hermaeus Mora in the world of swords. A video like this threatens to suck your audience into the realm of Apocrypha, in an endless library of sword knowledge.
@FortuneFavoursTheBold
@FortuneFavoursTheBold 4 месяца назад
Wow, Hermaeus Mora! Looks like I have big shoes to fill. Thanks!
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