EUROVISION 2024 - Grand Final Review 

Disappointed with the winner,relatively happy with the overall results.

A complete circus. With Netherlands out 🤡 Israel 2 on televote 🤡🤡 Angelina 7th(?????) 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Relatively happy with the winner,disappointed with the overall results

Very disappointed for Lithuania, kinda disappointed for Italy but so proud and so happy for Switzerland 💗

Dissapointing ending, people's choice didn't win again and this was a perfect time for Croatia to finally win, I'm resenting Eurovision now and it's given me a major heartbreak

😂😂😂

Yes. Not a massive fan of the interval entertainment in general.

😂😂😂

I have anches and pains just for have watched her 😂

Hahahahaha 😅 So funny beacause it’s so true.

Honestly just this year. It was an utter shitshow that just felt wrong to love.

​@@aijamberisabel Agree 1000%. This year was painful (what a contrast with last year which was one of my favourites of all time)

I am so mentally and emotionally drained 😅

No, for the first time I am waking up so happy because my favorite won!! Nemooooo 👏🩵🥹🩷🏆

@@TheMountainKid523 100%

Love him. He's the real deal, the proof that industry cannot look beyond the ends of their own noses. People respond to him and his music globally but he couldn't get arrested industry wise until a basic accident propelled him into the public sphere.

they literally gave him 210 points though

​@@kevanmcdougallmph22 countries gave Swiss 12 points while the ones that didn't give 12 still gave something while only 2 countries gave Croatia 12 points and some of them gave nothing, and Croatia was clearly fan favorite while Swiss would be 5th according to people. Rigged and there's no way to make this whole LGBT propaganda and their whole ordeal to make any sense other than promoting their ways, period, people chose their winner, juries chose politics, thats about it

​@@darkoperisic2958 Lmao what the fuck are you on about? The format has been the exact same since 2009 (except that in 2023 and 2024 there's no jury vote in the SF) - since then, with the exception of 2015, 2023 and 2024, the televote winner has placed at least as high or higher than the jury winner in the final result. If anything, the SFs being televote only could be making jury-friendly songs like Denmark, Belgium, and maybe even Australia fall by the wayside while sending televote-friendly songs through to the Grand Final - so countries like Switzerland which are OK in the televote and have good vocals (one of the best vocals of the night, compositionally ambitious and well-put together) get a huge jury boost because there are so few jury-friendly songs remaining, while televote votes are shared among the many televote-friendly songs! Croatia also placed 3rd with the juries; it's not as if the juries totally ignored Croatia...

@@Kernel15 rofl you literally said everything yourself with that "huge jury boost", nothing else to talk about here

You should be super proud!

Interesting to see if the Swiss entry gets the same treatment in his home country, I kid, we know he won't. Nothing about that carefully constructed jury bait speaks to people because it is simply not genuine,

Yesss my friend send me videos of it and he said even he cried in the crowd lmao

@@Ryan-mm1oj happy / proud tears

❤ from 🇺🇦😼🤩

Rim Tim Tagi Dim will live forever in our hearts, you can be sure of that !

Yess!!!!

I agree and I’m happy with this result but I’d like to push back a little on the idea that art is completely separate from politics, at least as far as Ukraine’s popularity is concerned (I’m not going to talk about Israel). Like if you look at art history and how we understand it, there’s politics everywhere. Baroque art doesn’t make sense without all the religious wars and upheaval at that time; romantism doesn’t make sense without the national liberal revolutions; realism without the social consciousness; dada and surrealism are one reaction to world war one; post-war abstract art is obviously shaped by world war two etc etc. Politics is part of our world, it shapes everything and art reacts to it. I guess just because a country like Ukraine is undergoing war, it doesn’t mean it can’t produce good art. On the contrary, I’d say that its art will probably be more powerful, deeper and more important to Ukrainians. And other people will probably be better able to resonate with Ukraine’s art as a result. Popularity is about how well your work resonates with people. And you can’t deny that Ukraine’s performance was top class. And one of the things that made the performance so strong was the fact that it wasn’t just frivolous, the lyrics and visuals had deeper meaning because they were supported by real life events, they weren’t empty. Not to say other entries were empty but everyone could understand what Ukraine was singing about, all over the world. However, it’s not just that, Ukraine have consistently been top class - the only country that qualified every single time. It’s also one of the poorest countries in the competition, so that forces them to be creative and smart. Plus their culture is really at the intersection of many other cultures, east, west, south, north, they have a bit of everything and I think that’s why they are so good at speaking to everyone. Last but not least, last two decades are the first time in history that the rest of the world takes them and their culture seriously and that gives you a certain inner strength, inner fire. So I think it’s not just “political support” when people like and vote for Ukraine. They have liked it and voted for it since it joined the competition. I think there’s certainly something political but to strip that away from art would render a lot of art meaningless.

Yes, I think the same

Pitch corrected in real time, maybe.

Yes as a Brit I was so happy that he did so well. A strong song and even stronger vocals. Well done Germany.

@@yodenmanand his emotion! Like he put himself into the song when he performed. And his flag jacket too 😂

We are so happy with the 12th place...most germans think we are 24-25- like normal Thank you giving us this joy:-)

I voted for Germany!! Love from Portugal 🎉

I think he may get his own statue for this. Bless him.

Uuuuh wow

Thats a great piece of trivia!! Thanks! 😊

What a coincidence! I didn’t think of that

And Yugoslavia won the year after Celine 😉

Exactly my opinion. Last year I had the impression that Sweden has to win over Finland since Sweden prepares some huge homage to Abba and at the end we saw the avatars. Really sad.

I hate those stupid avatars. Just a tacky money grab. They fall flat to me, I would rather just play a record at home than watch that robotic mess. ABBA could have bothered to show their faces, even just one of them would have been nice.

After the success of the Liverpool Song book last year I was expecting an ABBA songbook. Conchita doing Winner Takes It All. Carola doing Mamma Mia. Schlarger Charlie doing .....well ...Waterloo I guess since she kinda won with a rip off it and at least she couldn't be worse than Eli and Nicki were in Baku. Bring back Mans for Does Your Mother Know. Loreen with something. Serteb Erener with Dancing Queen.

Haha well put

Because you could vote from the start. So did they really?

Ukraine was amazing

@@mariarucci78 Ukraine definitely has their own style and vibes that can magically grab the attention and hearts of eurofans. I like this year melody, message and performance as well.

@@YPl2143 so did I, even better than last year 💪♥️🇮🇹🌟🇺🇦

I still feel icky from it 😅 can't believe that Croatia didn't win 💔

That has been my thought for a long time, how iconic it is to win on that stage😄

Oh i forgot to mention that yes totally!

And the most conflictual Eurovision was won by a neutral country 🥺

as it is every year, nothing new

​@@TMPOUZIThis year was much worse, including harassment and severe censorship...

This year convinced me maybe the juries should stick around after all.

True, I heard that a few countries crew were harrassed by the Israeli,. Why? Well I guess they got their way, because they got Europapa disqualified.

He didn't deserve it and I hope Croatia boycots the contest.

@lemonstealinghorse go away, nobody needs your negativity. Croatia still achieved their best ever result and can be proud of that!

@@alittlechese2567 Negativity is a great Slavic way be better. In spite of the others.

No sad no tears He IS are prince, King 🫅

Hi from Italy, all my family voted for Baby Lasagna❤

Bravo😻😻😻👏👏👏🇭🇷🇭🇷🇭🇷

Yeah, i like history repeating itself😅

Only under Yugoslavia.

why not!!!

we need Baby Lasagnia epic comeback

Seems like it’s the season of hate right now, people can’t seem to tolerate someone else being happy

Yes music is very taste based and this year the public taste showed clearly Nemos song wasnt rly their taste as he finished 5th. Instead of the music being for people it is a music for fellow musicians who are part of the jurys. Music for musicians is perverted. I am sorry but you cannot finish 5th in public vote and still end up 1st by a mile. It happened last year aswell when Finland got snubbed even though they heavily outperformed Sweden in public vote and yet it wasnt enough due to jury having wastly diferent taste. But atleast Loreen was still second in public vote. Eurovision have massive jury problem and its only gonna get worse.

Loreen was 2nd in televote. But Nemo was 5th in televote. Of course majority don't like the outcome because majority didn't vote for Nemo. If Nemo was 2nd or eventually 3rd in televote, it would be ok, but 5th? I believe that this outcome is not good for Eurosong. Too much politics and winner as 5th in televote doesn't sound good.

How does the rank matter? Its about points. Eventhought he was fifth, there were many years where the third had less points by tele, so rank is only secondary (especially when we see, that Israel only got telepoints cause of the situation, so you can consider it 4th most popular)

Thanks for watching 🤗

​@@eurovisionhistoriesYou make Eurovision more joyful for me. I live in Ukraine, I need some peaceful space to rest and celebrate life. ❤

​@@tddas8008As someone from the US, I really hope peace can come to Ukraine. I'd love the conversation about Ukraine be focused on the music and not the conflict. I really think the Eurovision recent branding hasn't helped either Ukraine or Israel.

I couldn’t agree more. This and „Overthinking Eurovision“ and a few of the professional musicians reacting, are my favourite channels.

Agree!! Always waiting to watch your videos!

Tbh, all of Lasagna's main competitors performed in second semi, so it was no surprise he won. Moreover, only audience voted in semis, and Croatian song is very televote oriented unlike Swiss one. If there was old system in semi finals, Nemo would win second semi I think.

​@@RaffGoodman no main competition in SF1? Ukraine was there, and Baby Lasagna managed to beat them in tele. That was super impressive.

@@JoeyCi yeah, Ukraine, you're right. But still predictable win, don't see anything such impressive.

@@RaffGoodman you don't see anything impressive in winning televote over ESC powerhouse Ukraine with a fan favorite song, also considered a winning candidate? But Nemo coming 4th is okay bcs "competition"? Okay.

@@JoeyCi yes I do. Ukraine was quite far behind Croatia among the bookmakers before semi-finals. And we have those results. While Joost (who supposed to lead at second semi) faced unexpectable voting for Israel. Israeli results were... impressive, so to speak.

Yes!! I am so happy for these countries!! I wish we could have more variaty each year so that each year we have different countries shine and qualify, like this year. This was refreshing. Probably my favorite thing that happened this year 😊

Yesss, countries not in Western Europe would have to rely on the sponsors of the show heavily.

Thank you so much!

No, just don't compete, send a message, boycot.

​@@lemonstealinghorsethat's dumb, in all honesty

Yes I hope you turn the interest and enthusiasm into gold

I hope next year we won't participate.

@@FatherStomach No, not at all. When all of Balkans withdraws from this clown show, then the rest of them can ask themselves why. Most of the Balkans is already not competing, withdraw the rest of us so western Europeans can have their preferred club.

Awww thanks

Wiwiblogs is sooooo biased, so more interesting for individual opinion than anything else

Yes! I've shared a few of my favorite channels on other people's channels and this is one of my most most favorites!

Wiwibloggs have shown their true face. This will be their final Eurovision as they will meet their brutal end.

That's so awesome! Since they didn't get the trophy, this is the next best thing.

Bambie has probably achieved the country's best result this century. The Witch done good.

Yes they were crowned! ❤ and so happy for everyone! Love them! Best visuals ever on Eurovision imo!

Wow, that's really cool numbers for Ireland))

I think this was her actual target 666, not to win

"but not that much to get most twelves from the jury ever"...are you in a position to judge? e.g. Did you study music? I did...on that level I don't understand how Baby Lasagna got so many jury votes (than Italy for example)...surely not for musical talent....maybe the staging, maybe something else but not music. The jury had no choice but to award the most creative act ever to appear on ESC.

@@stefanogortaldi3156 If youre going off of creativity, Ireland wouldve taken it. The jury stacked Switzerland, and to me makes it a less deserving winner

@@jacob4448 best theatre act for Ireland for sure - a good spectacle - good fun perhaps but not musically...sorry, I don't rate Ireland that much musically - ...the blend of different styles and genres sound forced and pretentious (Greece does better job and Nemo a lot better still - all 3 very eclectic) - there are many gothic post punk acts which are much more interesting (only they are from the 80's and 90's...we noticed Bambie because it had no competitors - a bit like Baby Lasagna...acts like these make Eurovisioni like a freak show not a musical talent competition.

@@stefanogortaldi3156 All im going to say is there were definitely numerous songs that deserved way more Jury attention but that was taken away to give Switzerland the win

@@jacob4448 as a musician looking for innovative act I had no doubts - Angelina and Nemo - these 2 have something really new to offer...and it was love at first listening. I'm Italian...obviously I was exposed to La Noia...but then last year I didn't like Mengoni and didn't vote for him (just because he's italian). Apart from Switzerlan and Italy, the rest, didn't impress me - seen it all before...France gave me goosebumps - but still the same old ballad. Ireland was very dramatic indeed (good fun)...but I wouldn't spend time analyzing the song and I'm not interested in drama or theatre. Baby Lasagna? A phenomenal act on how to get the best from so little musical talent - he had a quick and dirty formula to win Eurovision and nearly did it (fortunately for Eurovision's credibility he didn't).

Angelina ha pagato l errore della tv italiana Rai che ha mandato in seconda serata le votazioni del pubblico Italiano e le percentuali di votazione che dovevano essere segrete fino alla finale un errore grave da regolamento errore da squalifica peggio del Belgio la cosa strana è che il pubblico Italiano aveva votato per quasi il 50% Israele il secondo votato solo il 9% troppo stacco. Comunque Angelina ha pagato questo errore.. Vedendo quella votazione si prevedeva una vittoria di Israel quindi la giuria a indirizzato tutti i 12 punti verso un cantante per garantire una vittoria che non fosse Israele Nemo avrebbe preso molto anche dal pubblico ma c'erano almeno 5 cantanti allo stesso livello ma i 12 punti stranamente non sono stati distribuiti equamente.. Come con la Russia altri paesi con situazioni politiche delicate non dovrebbero partecipare per non crearsi queste situazioni poco chiare a mia percezione. Mi spiace non avere visto Norvegia Austria Spagna e Georgia dalla parte sinistra del cartellone

best song this year but the performances in sanremo were better imo

Same I was so sad that he wasnt at least 2nd😢

Great song and very well staged

I agree. Or implement 70/30 voting system or perhaps 75/25 (70-75 public, 20-25 jury distribution).

Yeah, I am not voting next year. Why spend money year on year to have our votes bulldozed time and time again by a few industry connected people who have zero appreciation of huge swathes of vocal styles and genres?

The juries were introduced to balance out block voting by former Soviet countries and the former Yugoslavian countries.The banning of Russia and disappearance of three Balkan countries from the contest for financial reasons kind of means this justification for the existence of juries doesn't exist anymore.The semi final results this year showed that Televote alone is quite capable of responding to a decent ballad and vocal performance without the assistance of music professional's as well

Don't forget that all European countries have block voting, not just ex soviet countries and ex yu countries. Nordic and Baltic countries support each other, Greece and Cyprus, Italy and San Marino, Spain and Portugal... It happens everywhere. However, televotes need to have more value since this is a public vote, and the public is the one voting and watching the show

What about political voting from Israel this year, and affecting not only Israel's televote but also affecting televote in several other countries? Shouldn't the televote results be under scrutiny and investigation this year?

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Who was being harassed? I only know that the hairdresser from Israel was fired bc of bullying other contenders.

@@i_am_human76 Joost was harassed by that ebu camera person, who wasn't supposed to be there. Just weird that this happened to the guy who spoke at that press conference right?... Right?

​@@annebokma4637Harassed by a woman who's job was literally to film everyone as part of her job??? Interesting how no one else from any of the other 36 countries didn't react like Joost...

@@user-dv3ds9in1f yes others reacted too. There is content showing that.. do your research. And her job was not to be in that area full stop. Her employer should have prevented this happening. The ebu is responsible for all this

Especially as Germany was nearly catching them up!

Thanks for your kind words

Portugal really surprised me in the best way. They really showed that you can have simple staging and yet make it so impactful.

I think the post-Sobral renaissance is something Portugal should be immensely proud of, Festival De Cançao produces huge quality every year but it’s always something that feels very representative of Portugal rather than something that is sure to have huge broad appeal (like Sweden for example who have been sending a radio-friendly pop song year after year and doing pretty well with it). I’m CERTAIN that with this approach Portugal will have another win in the near future, but I’m just so happy that they do consistently quite well and always send something they can be proud of. Grito was in my top 5 this year, I think Iolanda is an inspiration and a star (vocals perfect EVERY time, never once saw her underperform) who stood up for her beliefs and values in the face of criticism and harassment. I’m so glad Portugal chose her. Keep sending top 5 material, Portuguese voters!!

@@MintyDragonfly I got goosebumps reading your commentary. Thank you. I think Festival da Canção provides the right structure to select its representatives to Eurovision and there’s an overall sense that the Portuguese want to be represented with authenticity. If it wins like with Salvador Sobral did in 2017 - still holding the record for most points by a winner at Eurovision - great. If not, at least it is something we Portuguese feel proud of. Sooner or later, Portugal will win again! Iolanda did a great job! Like you said, she was consistent at all times.

It depends on what actually happened in that incident

Besa said it best - if he did something wrong let him be prosecuted for it but even if they wanted to protect the lady he allegedly verbally abused. They could have let him compete with his SF 2 performance on video. The only thing they got right this year was the winner. Nemo's right they need to fix things - for starters find sponsors who aren't from a country that comitts genocide, tries to censor criticism, bullies other contestants or weaopnises its own dispora to hand them the win for a mediocre propaganda ballad. I hate that happened and my country was one of the places the last thing happened in. Ukraine was bottom up - a huge outpouring of sympathy, this year that so called vote was orchestrated and I hate it.

I get Why he couldn't compete, investigación and all that, but still felt harsh nonetheless😢

@@gabrielaanampaguzman328 Yup initially I thought ok but now I think Besa had a point. If Joost did something wrong he should take the consequences but it shouldn't stop him competing if nothing's been proven. If they want to ensure the safety of his accuser let him compete with his semi 2 footage. I think there are going to be some hard conversations between the EBU and some of the broadcasters to stop the wheels coming off the bus and the Dutch broadcaster will be one of those with some hard questions.

True!

On the other hand, I really appreciate that if already a top2, the worst song of the last year's contest at least didn't win.

In that case, probably israhell would have won this year. Sometimes juries save the situation.

@@elaifull If most people want it, why is it a problem if Israel wins? Unrelated to politics, but if the country competes, then they should be given a fair chance to win. After all, that would not have happened because Croatia received the most votes from the audience. What's the point of spending our money on voting if we can't pick a winner.

@@valis25 Because isn'treal spent money to buy votes. Their whole entry was political, KAN was extremely disruptive & having a broadcaster from a country that purposefully targets journalists, while the EBU claims they are for free press is just SHAMEFUL.

​Leaving that country win would have a big conflict. You only have to watch the news. Plus, it wouldn't been a musical, but a political winner and EBU Can't afford that for the good of the contest. Croatia was wonderful and Switzerland too. The jury had to assess the greatest difficulty of a song and that is what they did. Having a crystal microphone is not as important as the pride of having delivered the best and the applause of the people. Enjoy this great achievement!

💗🕊

The stage and princess's matching earrings were impressive.

​@@olterigoi agree

Belarus' DSQ happened a year before a Russian mad guy ordered a Ukrainian invasion.

Usually I don't like Switzerland entries or I have others favorites,this year though ,Nemo was my favorite since I first hear them and well ..now we are here :"3 🎉

I agree! My favourite channel discovery this year!

I kind of love this as a third element!

Tbh I dont think this is a good idea because some people could change opinions about others who could win, causing them to lose both the contest and public appeal, meaning that anyone could technically hijack the contest to make themselves win and make a really good entry lose

This continues to confuse me. Especially as Armenia beat Switzerland in their semi... Just shows the jury support

The semis are 100% televote The final is 50% jury and 50 televote

@@eurovisionhistories Oh thank you for the answer (I'm quite new to ESC), I didn't know the voting system was different for the 2 parts! It's as surprising as having the jury vote the day before the final. It's a strange way of organising things 🤔

​@@jeanpeuxplus7257This system is quite New. Until 2022, we usted to have jury 50 % and public 50% in semifinals too.But in 2023, to give televote a bit more power, the semi -finals were 100% televote Still ,I think it does contradict itself because both there last year have been a jury winner ( That said I am satisfied this year unlike last year 😅)

Make 2 awards, 1 for public vote, 1 for jury vote. Make those 2 categories so that jury can blatantly give rainbow award, and public can decide the best song.

Two winners would be pretty uniting. And the cost of the show shared. Three winners would be even better. Then ebu can rest assured they will not be booed at, and everyone is content.

Not perfect ofcourse (nothing ever is), but way better than any number of sim cards/ip-adresses phoning in max points for 1 country for a wrong reason. The only reason should be how much you like a song/act. I'd love to see a working public voting system where you can vote for all contestants you like, but only once per contestant!

​@@sybrand2 I agree with this! At the moment the televote is wide open to manipulation by a motivated group of people buying multiple SIMs and voting to the max on each SIM. It's not fair that a democratic system is being exploited in such an undemocratic way. I think jury reform is necessary as well. Lots of things for the EBU to do and improve between now and next May.

@@melissacorbett4180 Televote is the least of the problems here. It's the jury. What is the point of a song winning when the people clearly don't favor it by a large margin? In the case of last year, yeah the public favored Kaarija, but at least it was close call. In this case, #5 gets bumped to #1 That's ridiculous. So the takeways is this, make a mediocre song, play into the jury rainbow DEI requirements and win.

That‘s crazy, I didn‘t know that! Nemo deserved it so much!

Is it also the largest difference between the juries and the public? Because Croatia was nr 1 for the public and only received 12 points from one jury.

Thanks for the statistics, wonderful! I voted for nemo and croatia, but thought that such an arty song would not make it this year, and after all the sad and angry sentiments in the wake of the final i thought a happysong would be the winner in the end, but... i was so so so wrong. Congrats switzerland!

@@lukastemberger croatia got 2 12 points from the jurys but it still goes with your point

@@MatthewEade-hj6tf True, yeah...

which songs you dislike?

@@FilippRodovilski in fact only the one at 5

@@zebras54 how nice and fair of you

If I was in charge of the EBU I would allow up to 30 votes per person but with a limit of a max of 5 votes for a country. More money for the EBU, more fair televoting results.

@@vaniacosta75 i don't think that would make it fairer. But it would definitely mean more Money for the EBU and that's obviously their Main goal in general

​@@ShinjiSings But would stop the block voting for 1 single country. In the UK voting only costs 15p. I am originally from Portugal so I can afford to vote 20 for Portugal, I don't do it because I like to vote on my other favourites as well so I always end up voting for 4/5 countries. But I believe that there are a lot of people that just vote for the flag x20 rather than the songs.

@@vaniacosta75 would it though? People would vote 5 times for the same country and just stop. Especially those who only want to vote politically. But imagine that, if you want to vote for one country you were forced to also vote for 4-9 others. It would mean that the end result would be a lot broader.

​@@ShinjiSingsthey'd still be limited to just 5 votes instead of 20 though so it's an improvement?

I sincerely think that a lot that happened this year happened because of their participation :/

The EBU can't force Sweden to rehost. It cost's a lot of money and would net far less.

Innocent or guilty, Joost Klein's appearance in the final (if allowed) would've hurt him and The Netherlands anyway.

I thought this way also last year. But this year ther was huge political manipulation to vote israel so.... jurys doesnt work how they are ment to work but also televoting have this kind of manipulation so that doesnt always mean audience opinion eather. So maybe they balance each other.

1997-2009 era with no jury votes and ONLY people votes were the greatest era in Eurovision.

actuallyt through all the other recent years the public won... so, what are we rally talking about here?

Thank you so much for always being so supportive! it was a lot of work but mostly fun to do this ;)

Wdym Uncensored? There's one in the official ESC channel

@@amazingbluelobster yeah, I know. The official ESC Channel only has the audio modified version uploaded. Audio was altered, cheers were artificially edited and such.

@@amazingbluelobster Israel had been given an applause audio and removed the real reaction of the audience

I was there. The boos were deafening and at some points you couldn't hear her sing from where we were sitting. It was the Jury show.

I thought they would have a video message. I read somewhere that they were going to as well

Hahaha yes hopefully

2022, 2021, 2019, 2018, 2016 off the top of my head

@@eurovisionhistories oh WOW. That’s a lot just recently. I had no idea because it doesn’t FEEL like it haha! Thank you!! 🙏🏻

Also in 2017 Portugal won both the juries AND the televote, so that year juries and the public actually agreed for once 😅

Ever say never, Croatia will send other amazing artists I’m sure ❤

@@mariarucci78 thank you for your kind words, I'm just sad at the moment, I will get more optimistic in a few days when everything sinks in

As someone who has usually likes Croatia , it Hurt see that "horrible entries " 😅 My favorite in 2022 ,feel so bad for 2021 ,rooting for them in 2023 and well..this year I like them but with time 😅