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EV Home Charger Teardowns E1: Tesla Wall Connector 

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@NewPhase-kq1fu
@NewPhase-kq1fu Год назад
Thanks for this video! I’m an electrician and I’ve installed just about every EV charger on the market. Tesla Wall Connector is in a league of its own for ease of installation. You can enter it with wiring from any direction, which is a BIG deal. The Ford 48A charger is the WORST. Please do a video that compares the poor design of the Ford Charger to the elegant design of the Tesla Wall Connector.
@NewPhase-kq1fu
@NewPhase-kq1fu Год назад
Also clear from this video why Tesla wall connector is the least expensive 48A charger you can get.
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
will do, just for you.
@TCPUDPATM
@TCPUDPATM Год назад
Is it worse simply as a charger install, or because the Ford supports bi-directional charge/discharging? I’m not surprised. I installed the tesla one myself and I was shocked at how easy it was. Pun intended.
@NewPhase-kq1fu
@NewPhase-kq1fu Год назад
@@TCPUDPATM the charger I’m referring to is not bi-directional. Just a simple 48A charger same as Tesla.
@TCPUDPATM
@TCPUDPATM Год назад
@@NewPhase-kq1fu Gotcha! Bummer that it’s such a pain. I tried to give Ford the benefit of doubt lol. Thanks for responding.
@suserman7775
@suserman7775 Год назад
After using just Level 1 at my house for a year I finally got this Tesla Wall Connector. I'm really happy with it.
@timwhite8500
@timwhite8500 Год назад
I like that IR heat sensor. Good way to monitor for high resistance terminations at the power feed block
@TradieTrev
@TradieTrev Год назад
Having it not seal correctly is an issue. I've had to physically push the device on the while my apprentice could aling up screws due to it's IP seal. This blokes never talked about and we have 3 phase models colloquially here. My first charger we installed a 3 phase 32A RCD circuit, but when I clamped the current it was only drawing 16A a phase going full belt!
@danapeck5382
@danapeck5382 Год назад
Just had one installed for our new Y, nice to know what's inside, electrician thought it was great, wifi took a little fooling around, operation great
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
Wi-fi was a bit non-compliant for me as well, had to get a range extender set up and now it works great
@danapeck5382
@danapeck5382 Год назад
@Antonio DiNunno My issue was connecting to my Google mesh. Not sure what actually worked, but it finally connected. Bet they do a fix in a future wall connector software update.
@davidherringgo
@davidherringgo Год назад
Congratulations. On your Wi-Fi it took 5 months to get a reliable Wi-Fi for my Tesla.
@Way-Way
@Way-Way Год назад
The reason the wifi was hard for you was because the Google Mesh & Nest routers uses a combined SSID and doesn’t separate the 5ghz and the 2.4ghz. It determines the band your device will be on based on distance. The Tesla wall connector uses only 2.4ghz. So if you’re too close to the router it’ll try and connect to the 5ghz band and will have fits. The wifi extenders will separate into both bands where the Tesla wall connector can now choose the 2.4 band manually. Same issue Google has with smart home devices like bulbs that only use 2.4ghz. Most routers do not have this issue as you can separate your 2.4 / 5 / 6 bands but Google combines.
@patreekotime4578
@patreekotime4578 Год назад
@@Way-Way Sounds about right. Google's hardware is an absolute mess. Not sure how the worlds biggest software company has so much junk coming out, but its gotten ridiculous.
@trex2092
@trex2092 Год назад
This is what I love about Munroe and Associates, I can totally geek out with the valuable data these pros provide. Installed my own, had my Electrician friend Q.A. my work. No smoke yeaaaaaaaaa.
@PaulVanchugov
@PaulVanchugov Год назад
Those two connectors unpopulated are for between unit’s communication up to 6 units connected parallel RS485 for load balancing. I have 2 connected at home but suspect they now communicate via Wi-Fi instead. That allow them all units to share and load balance dynamically single circuit like 60A between 4 cars or 40A between two in my case. Works better than any other I used.
@styno7267
@styno7267 Год назад
If it’s RS-485 then it should be easy to find the necessary transceiver ic on the board.
@HenryLoenwind
@HenryLoenwind Год назад
The 2-wire interconnect was what version 2 had, version 3 only has wifi according to Tesla's specs. So while the version 3 may still have the hardware, if those terminals are that, they currently have no function.
@bossmanmce5599
@bossmanmce5599 Год назад
Pavel u are correct. The Gen 3 can power share up 6 gen3 units feeding from a variety of breakers. Ideal for commerciall installs in parkades etc
@PaulVanchugov
@PaulVanchugov Год назад
Tesla chargers are an iPhone of chargers. They just work. Not many setting you can change though. At first I was bummed by that coming from other brands where you can tweak all parameters but after few days I was like “Damn if I care about all those tweaks! It just works somehow and that’s save me time and worry!” Tesla magic. Now I never even care to check what those charges doing and how because they do their job orchestrated with cars so perfectly!
@SyntheticSpy
@SyntheticSpy Год назад
@@HenryLoenwind Maybe to communicate with an older gen2 version?
@alexanderkenway
@alexanderkenway Год назад
I don't think it's emphasized enough just how easy this connector is to install. Truly a well designed product
@jimmurphy5355
@jimmurphy5355 Год назад
Glad to see you pulled this and eliminated some technical bloopers before re-posting. One thing still grated on my engineer ear: At one point, one of the presenters says that level 1 charges at "one kilowatt per hour." No. Just no. It charges at 1 kilowatt. Full stop. Or you could say it charges at "one kilowatt hour per hour." Which is a bit redundant, but I have seen plausible arguments that saying it that way helps non-electrical folks understand that kilowatt hours (NOT kilowatts) are what you pay for, store, and use to move the car. And in the category of sweeping back the tide, but I want to try anyway - the items you are evaluating are not chargers. The charger (for level 1 and 2) is built into the car, and controls how much current the car draws. Yes, the public is going to call them chargers - but Munro ENGINEERS ought to call them what they are: EVSEs (electric vehicle supply equipment.) It's a distinction worth making, because even if the EVSE on the wall is rated at 48 amps or more, the car's onboard charger may not be able to pull that much. You will do a public service by emphasizing that if the charger in the car is rated at 7 kW, plugging it in to an EVSE that could supply 11 - 22 kW isn't going to charge the car any faster than an 7 kW EVSE that: costs less, less to buy, less to install (cheaper wiring) and may fit into an existing electrical panel's limits when I higher rated EVSE might require a utility service upgrade and a service panel upgrade.
@TechnicalLee
@TechnicalLee Год назад
Yeah this video is going to trigger a lot of EEs with the poor terminology used. Not very professional.
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
We'll discuss the nomenclature on the next one, seems like it needs addressed.
@markd4905
@markd4905 Год назад
8A * 120V = 1000W But if you boost up to 12A max on a 15A outlet you get 1500W like a hair dryer.
@moestrei
@moestrei Год назад
👏👏👏👏👏 you really think they would get those basics right 😅
@bill1550
@bill1550 Год назад
We have 4 Tesla wall chargers connected to a 100 amp / 240 v subpanel. They handily load balance over WiFi, delivering the full 48 amps per car when only 2 need to charge and dropping to 24 amps per car when all 4 are charging. Work really well. Also, we installed pull down reels for cables, makes charging a 15 second experience.
@FutureSystem738
@FutureSystem738 Год назад
But ICE car drivers say charging takes a long time, conveniently forgetting that for most people, 99% of charging is done at home. It’s a full year since I had to publicly charge- all the rest has been done while I sleep, which has saved a huge amount of time compared to our other (ICE) car.
@bossmanmce5599
@bossmanmce5599 Год назад
thanks William, the Tesla power/wi fi charging is seceond to none
@alexforget
@alexforget Год назад
One thing to note about all level 2 is that they do very little, they are basically a smart switch that disconnect the power to the cable when not in use. They put the 220v on and the real work happen in the onboard charger of the car.
@patrickkenny2077
@patrickkenny2077 Год назад
Yeah, I think this should have been mentioned in the video. Same for L1 of course. They do provide ground fault protection though.
@teslacarolina
@teslacarolina Год назад
You can feed the Tesla charger from the top, bottom or back. I installed my charger and fed it from the back for a very clean installation. Just make sure to size the wire to handle a 60 amp load and use copper per the Tesla specifications only. My charger was $450 but my wire was $950. I did however run the wire 70 feet so I went to the max gauge that would fit the charger and was required to carry 60 amps, even though the charger is 48 amps max, you must install it on a 60 amp double pole breaker circuit per code. Southwire has a free app to calculate the wire size based on the run distance and amp load.
@jm100368
@jm100368 Год назад
guessing you did 4/3. overkill. 6/3 would have been fine and cost $400-$500 less
@cengeb
@cengeb Год назад
80% max on continuous load, which is 3 hrs or more
@thang1742
@thang1742 Год назад
@@jm100368 4/3 is much better especially at that distance.. im at 6/3 33 ft and im not gettign max voltage.
@TechnicalLee
@TechnicalLee Год назад
Yeah, sounds like you oversized the wire and paid more than necessary. #6 is fine for up to 200 ft. You size conductors based off actual load, not breaker size. So you should have used 48A in your voltage drop calculator, not 60A. The breaker is then sized to give 125% of the necessary ampacity in this case.
@TechnicalLee
@TechnicalLee Год назад
​@@thang1742 Depends on a lot of factors including the voltage the step-down transformer is set to, time of day, the length and quality of your service drop, other houses sharing the same transformer, and installation quality. I wouldn't worry about it unless you were getting less than 228V.
@staudtj1
@staudtj1 Год назад
The Wifi antenna might also be used to do over the air updates or to communicate with a Tesla Powerwall.
@patrickkenny2077
@patrickkenny2077 Год назад
It is used for commissioning of the unit as well; you can pull in some home automation information from it, but unfortunately you cannot modify the charging current remotely via the connector-- you have to use the app for the car (or Tesla API to the car).
@jonocasino8076
@jonocasino8076 Год назад
If you have more than one, it will negotiate power sharing on the same circuit, and can also enable billing in a commercial installation.
@madmatt337
@madmatt337 Год назад
It’s mostly used for business or commercial settings
@jbarvideo12
@jbarvideo12 Год назад
Great overview of Tesla Wall Connectors.
@hammocktimenapper
@hammocktimenapper Год назад
Fun fact about this charger. In Europe, the version of the gen 3 charger supports three phase, 400 volt wires
@adityagovindarajan505
@adityagovindarajan505 Год назад
We would like to see the Gen 3 EU design of the Tesla 3Phase wall charger please, since so many of Munro Live’s fan base is international
@marshalllapenta7656
@marshalllapenta7656 Год назад
Interesting 🤔
@NextGenEvs
@NextGenEvs Год назад
These chargers are awesome!! Best in class
@jimparr01Utube
@jimparr01Utube Год назад
Like the rear feed option (knock-outs for incoming power cable).
@BendeVette
@BendeVette Год назад
This charger is 3 phase in the Netherlands. 3x16A on 230V. Other electronic design, but the same on the outside. Installation was really easy as each reasonable modern house has 3 phase 25A as minimum. If you don't have 3 phase it is easy to get it (Netherlands).
@Ariccio123
@Ariccio123 Год назад
3 phase is standard in the Netherlands?! That's amazing!!
@zoltanszeles9394
@zoltanszeles9394 Год назад
@@Ariccio123Pretty much everywhere in Europe.
@BendeVette
@BendeVette Год назад
@@Ariccio123 Not really if everyone has it ;-)
@Ariccio123
@Ariccio123 Год назад
@@BendeVette our split phased and two phase wired residences are deeply jealous!
@BendeVette
@BendeVette Год назад
@@Ariccio123 Is there no way to get three phase power? It realy has several advantages, primarely the gauge of the wires (less losses).
@EricP36
@EricP36 Год назад
Awesome video, Grace crushed this edit!
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
Grace is a pro
@tumbleweed1976
@tumbleweed1976 Год назад
Thank you for introducing these men and their job titles.
@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190
@nihongobenkyoshimasu3190 Год назад
In UK, I saw this RU-vid video from an elctrican installer, who said that he could not install a Tesla Wall charger because they dont have a arc circuit breaker, unless he also install a circuit breaker separately. Note: An arc-fault circuit interrupter (AFCI) or arc-fault detection device (AFDD) is a circuit breaker that breaks the circuit when it detects the electric arcs that are a signature of loose connections in home wiring. Loose connections, which can develop over time, can sometimes become hot enough to ignite house fires.
@patrickkenny2077
@patrickkenny2077 Год назад
IIRC, the required protection is integrated into the unit.
@bossmanmce5599
@bossmanmce5599 Год назад
@@patrickkenny2077 correct Patrick
@cesartrujillo4190
@cesartrujillo4190 Год назад
Woooooooow! I’m very excited to watch these next 10 videos! 👀
@spamin8r
@spamin8r Год назад
Wow that intro. Good job Munro team!
@nakfan
@nakfan Год назад
Excellent work 👍 Thanks for sharing.
@Alexzw92
@Alexzw92 Год назад
That intro track has a quite a nice jingle to it
@Chantillian
@Chantillian Год назад
First part of it reminded me of themes used by local cable channels in the 1970s. Maybe just me.
@gerrit-fransvanpelt8551
@gerrit-fransvanpelt8551 Год назад
There was a bar left on the table after the assembly 😂 Love to see those videos ❤
@10esseeTony
@10esseeTony Год назад
For the Assembly Associate, the bar is pre-made into the base. The real problem here, is that they didn't insert the connector for the LED charging status indicator. :)
@williampmcd8548
@williampmcd8548 Год назад
Thank you. Very informative.
@MunroLive
@MunroLive Год назад
You are very welcome!
@FixCarYourself
@FixCarYourself Год назад
Thanks for reposting. Some interesting info was omitted from the previous video like the self destruct fuse on the board or reset button like a circuit breaker. And the mounting screws being more expensive to purchase on Tesla's website indicating just buy them in a hardware store for less. In the future, please consider adding text to a video if you feel you have to take it down before reposting to correct any misspoken words. This way you can retain most if not all of the original presenter's insightful info.
@moff1959
@moff1959 Год назад
Big fan of Munro, Small point EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment ) not "Chargers" its basically a power cord with a smart switch, and big point these devices will draw large current (Amps) over a long period of time. Correct installation is important along with circuit breaker and wire gauge size for obvious safety reasons.
@pgbpro20
@pgbpro20 Год назад
Everyone's gonna keep calling them chargers regardless of what (us) nerds say.
@moff1959
@moff1959 Год назад
@@pgbpro20 Your right that genie is already out of the bottle and manufactures want to continue calling them "Chargers" that way they can charge $$$$$$$$ hundreds for a fancy power cord, over inflated pricing in the EV world is nothing new.
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
Confirmed: the red and white connector on the back is for hooking multiple connectors in a series system.
@davidl.beckwith4836
@davidl.beckwith4836 Год назад
Do you have a source how this is accomplished. I thought hardwired communications was the Gen2 Wall Connector. Gen3 accomplishes this through wifi. I think this port is for the Smart Current Limits Meter they are now rolling out. But it could be possible it is for both.
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
@@davidl.beckwith4836a very experienced certified installer mentioned it.
@evanbozogan232
@evanbozogan232 Год назад
10:19 On page 15 the Tesla wall connector manual has a diagram with arrows and numbers, there it indicates that the red and white connectors are RS-485 a type of serial communications port most likely for debugging
@tomaspavera6709
@tomaspavera6709 Год назад
not for debugging; in case of other brands, it is used in combination with the external RS-485/Modbus power meter to limit maximal charging current based on total house power consumption
@alexforget
@alexforget Год назад
I was thinking it’s for someone having many of them, rs-485 allow to chain devices, that way you could have many in a parking and monitor and control the use in a central place with a simple connection.
@williambraun2701
@williambraun2701 Год назад
My installation document included information about connecting multiple chargers together so the vehicles could negotiate which charges first or most. I believe that is the point of the serial data.
@lemongavine
@lemongavine Год назад
I've been using a level-1 charger exclusively for 2 years (27K miles). No issues and I very rarely need to use public chargers. My battery gives 260 miles of range.
@MTNRanger
@MTNRanger Год назад
I'm surprised the correct term EVSE was not discussed. They are not chargers. By the way, I used level 1 charging for a year at got about 3-4 miles/hour on a NEMA 5-15 and 4-5 miles/hour on a NEMA 5-20 on my Model 3 LR.
@zaphodbeeblebrox2817
@zaphodbeeblebrox2817 Год назад
That bugs me. How hard is it to say that the charger is in the car and this is just a safe connector. Stop dumbing things down, we are dumb enough.
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
There are a 101 different official names, I still like the "incorrect" 'charger'. Just watched the Marques Brownlee interview with RJ Scaringe, and RJ called it a charger. Sooooo....
@markd4905
@markd4905 Год назад
I like the installation with all the wires in the back plate and you just plug in the charger. If it ever needs service just take out four screws and unplugged the charger and mail it in.
@HelmutTschemernjak
@HelmutTschemernjak Год назад
very basic report you did on the mechanical part only. It is x times more interesting to find out what can be configured via WiFi and what the box is capable off, e.g. - RFID? - Setting to allow only certain VINs to charge - Trotteling when multiple chargers are on the same AC wire - How many watts it eats when idle - Options how to enable/disable it via WiFi - Options to limit the max charging power e.g. 4 kW instead of 11kW for solar planets where the solar system cannot produce 11kW - Options to remote enable/disable charging
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
It is clearly capable of more than just charging. I feel like there are a lot of software based easter eggs ready to be activated with an OTA update
@Marki555
@Marki555 Год назад
Yes, you can limit charging for all EVs, all Teslas or specific Tesla VINs. Multiple chargers communicate via Wifi to share the total supply amperes. You set the max. current / power during setup. Not easily adjustable while charging. Some use Tesla API to dynamically adjust the charge rate in car according to solar, or use different wallbox which can be integrated with solar.
@HelmutTschemernjak
@HelmutTschemernjak Год назад
​@@Marki555 hi Mark, thank you very much for this specific information. I am planing as well to write some software to use the Tesla API to adjust charging in sync with the solar power production. Regards from Hannover, Germany
@hansh2463
@hansh2463 Год назад
Maybe also take into account the ease of installation... basically you need to install the base only to the electrical wires and then click on the housing
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 Год назад
any Chimp w/ screwdriver can assemble.
@alesksander
@alesksander Год назад
@@markplott4820 🙈 indeed
@ghostindamachine
@ghostindamachine Год назад
Super cool video! Thank you gentlemen for the excellent presentation
@MunroLive
@MunroLive Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it!
@Firestorm637
@Firestorm637 Год назад
Level 2 wall connectors allow use of your level 2 on board charger. The vehicle’s charger on board determines speed of charge as well as the 220 30-60 amp circuit. Many Leafs and Bolts have 3-7 kw on board charger. Teslas base model 3 single motor 7 kw vs dual motor 11 kw on board charger.
@Riverrain123
@Riverrain123 Год назад
Very cool!
@mikeselectricstuff
@mikeselectricstuff Год назад
10:36 these terminals maybe an input from an external current transformer to allow charge curent to be limited based on total house load. This is a very common feature on EVSEs in the UK
@ThisRandomUsername
@ThisRandomUsername Год назад
Interesting that they would keep that on a 2-phase board when everywhere else has 220/230 V on a single phase. Do you think it'd be useful to only monitor one leg of the mains in the US?
@frankcoffey
@frankcoffey Год назад
They could also be test and diagnostic points used during manufacturing.
@shazam6274
@shazam6274 Год назад
Keep guessing guys, it's an RS485 for load balancing when using more than one charger in a household. Its plainly labeled on the instruction sheet, too.
@frankcoffey
@frankcoffey Год назад
@@shazam6274 Cool! I really expected that to be a wireless communication of some kind but wired is good too. I’m going to need a second one at some point 🙂
@ThisRandomUsername
@ThisRandomUsername Год назад
@@shazam6274 fantastic, thanks for the insight 😀
@chriauc2976
@chriauc2976 Год назад
Took mine appart after replacement was sent a Main relay was stuck …. Bent back the spring and modified a bit and my dad been using it for his Chevy Volt -20c weather for a Year not problems albeit Volt charge at 20amps max
@stueygewy
@stueygewy 8 месяцев назад
Great video! 0:27 Antonio, I think you should highly consider keeping/growing the sideburns next time! 💇‍♂
@Tazman55x
@Tazman55x Год назад
Thank you for the update and fixing the information which was incorrect! 10/10 Munro!
@PaulCHa
@PaulCHa Год назад
What was incorrect?
@TRYtoHELPyou
@TRYtoHELPyou Год назад
​@@PaulCHa if people want to get bent over this video use of the term "level three" or "level four" is not reflected in any electrical code that I know of. Some people dislike people calling DC fast charging "level three". Personally I like saying level three however would not be able to prove my case to a judge in the court of .... Electrical nomenclature? 😂 Unsure what was incorrect in previous video.
@georgepelton5645
@georgepelton5645 Год назад
Yes. Thanks Munro Live for fixing the previous video. Munro goes the extra mile to insure the information they provide is correct.
@pythons4114
@pythons4114 Год назад
I look forward to your breakdown of Tesla's HW4.0 and a comparison with HW3.0 to see exactly how much has changed. Thank you very much.
@kelvynbettridge
@kelvynbettridge Год назад
Great to see this. It needs to be said as many don’t appreciate that these are not car brand specific.
@ouch1011
@ouch1011 Год назад
The charger isn’t but the connector on the vehicle end is. The one that comes with this charger will only work on a vehicle with a Tesla charge inlet (unless you spend extra for an adapter).
@kelvynbettridge
@kelvynbettridge Год назад
@@ouch1011 correct this would be true for the US and possibly China, but in the rest of the world Teslas like most are supplied with CCS2 ports. Consequently the Wall Chargers are supplied with type 2 plugs.
@ElectricCarAustralia
@ElectricCarAustralia Год назад
Thanks Guys, very interesting. 👍
@MunroLive
@MunroLive Год назад
Our pleasure!
@davidl.beckwith4836
@davidl.beckwith4836 Год назад
The two connectors on the back of the board is probably for the Smart Current Limits Meter (1938241-00-A) now being rolled out.
@MrFoxRobert
@MrFoxRobert Год назад
Thank you!
@MunroLive
@MunroLive Год назад
You're welcome!
@deraj_adako
@deraj_adako Год назад
Intro music is awesome!
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
👋 THANKS JULIAN,ANTONIO ALSO THE REST OF THE MUNRO TEAM…for tearing into the chargers 💚💚💚
@estan1965
@estan1965 Год назад
Sorry, it’s technically not called “level 3”. It’s called a “DC fast charger”.
@wtmayhew
@wtmayhew Год назад
Something else to look at, which one of the other commenters touched on, is what is the labor cost associated with the installation? The Tesla unit appears quite easy to install. There are some nice features such as choosing direction of cable entry and the integral wire stripping gauge. The installation cost may or may not be a pass-though to the end user, depending. If I am not mistaken, GM, Ford, etc. have flat rate or no-cost EVSE installation included with the vehicle purchase.
@pony53
@pony53 Год назад
Ford does not for the F-150 Lightning, but they are happy to sell your data to SunRun who began contacting me almost immediately after I placed my pre-order.
@wtmayhew
@wtmayhew Год назад
@@pony53 Thank you for the reply. I appreciate the correction to my remark above.
@the_jarmel
@the_jarmel Год назад
👏👏👏 Love the show .... Hope everyone has a good Tuesday ✌️
@metalmatrix7
@metalmatrix7 Год назад
Wasn’t this posted a few days ago?
@MunroLive
@MunroLive Год назад
We had to make some revisions.
@tumbleweed1976
@tumbleweed1976 Год назад
It was posted then announced to be taken down to make corrections/improvements.
@lacikeri3102
@lacikeri3102 Год назад
That red and white speaker connector, I think it's an RS485 MODBUS output. There must be a Maxim485 chip nearby. Based on my research, the energy sharing was able to work on the V2 charger. Unfortunately, the V3 charger only works via Wi-Fi, and it does not allow external software to control the charging. I hope this will be fixed in another update.
@tazeat
@tazeat Год назад
This would be my first guess. Some sort of serial interface which may be multi purpose but in previous generations was used for power sharing. I have no idea if anyone has reversed the Wi-Fi sharing on the V3s, but I have to imagine the protocol can't be too difficult unless they're doing some sort of strong pki based device authentication to secure the power sharing communications.
@tazeat
@tazeat Год назад
And some quick Googling, it appears the protocol is HTTP based and does do mTLS with some sort of baked in device identities, but you CAN set max power on a per device bases using the public not secured APIs.
@patrickkenny2077
@patrickkenny2077 Год назад
@@tazeat Setting max power really is just setting the circuit breaker size, and IIRC can only be done in commissioning mode.
@rkgsd
@rkgsd Год назад
This is great! Currently weighing options while a 14-50 is scheduled for installation on the front porch. I've narrowed it down to Tesla, Grizzl-E and Emporia. I love the metal casing on the Grizzl-E. The advantage of non-Tesla charger seems to be the universal compatible with any brand of EV.
@jg5001
@jg5001 Год назад
You can still get a CCS adapter with the Tesla charger.
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
Stay tuned then ;-)
@bjornb.6662
@bjornb.6662 Год назад
Cool. I would like to see a Zaptec or Easee charger too for comparison. They are very common in Europe
@SuspectOnTheLam
@SuspectOnTheLam 11 месяцев назад
It’s crazy there’s a hidden NFC reader on the Wall Connector. Tesla is really thinking ahead.
@randycarter2001
@randycarter2001 Год назад
The best description for these 'chargers' is a smart safety switch.
@laloajuria4678
@laloajuria4678 Год назад
its because they are actually called evse....
@randycarter2001
@randycarter2001 Год назад
@@laloajuria4678 I find simplifying to smart safety switch enables even children to understand what it does. It doesn't charge the car just couples the electricity in.
@WingofTech
@WingofTech Год назад
Holy what a groovy intro, keep those comin’ 💿
@andreasheyerdahl8783
@andreasheyerdahl8783 Год назад
The chargers are probably already decided, but I'm looking forward to/recommend you checking out the Easee and zaptec Chargers
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
If it is successful enough, would could make it a running series... who knows!?
@moestrei
@moestrei Год назад
The charger is in your car, these are just adapters or connectors in Tesla speak.
@goevorgohome
@goevorgohome Год назад
Interesting that it has a NFC chip installed close to the face plate. Future tap to pay functionality maybe !?!
@davidherringgo
@davidherringgo Год назад
Thanks
@TheKill3rmonk
@TheKill3rmonk 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video! My wall charger just crapped out this year and Tesla support said I need to replace it. According to the testing they were able to do, they were seeing unexpected voltage drops. "I was able to run a few tests from the part number and serial number that you provided. The Wall Connector is detecting unexpected voltage drops." Since after providing them additional info after they sent me that, I was going to try taking apart the wall charger and cleaning it out or checking for anything on the interior before replacing it since they are fairly expensive. Anything you guys would recommend I take a look at in particular on the inside? I was getting ~240v (T1-T2) and 120v (T1-G & T2-G) from measuring directly at my electrical panel in the house.
@DishNetworkDealerNEO
@DishNetworkDealerNEO Год назад
That NFC could be used to prevent it from charging Tesla cars not driven by the owner of the charger! It can keep the unit from activating the contactors unless the owner’s phone or keycard is waved by the nfc chip, in areas of poor security.
@taylorlightfoot
@taylorlightfoot Год назад
This charger already has the ability to VIN restrict to certain cars. I think Tesla might payment enable these Level 2 chargers at some point in the future, I believe they have much bigger ambitions of being the charging provider for all cars in the future and this is them building out a vast network of infrastructure that can be enabled with the push of a firmware update.
@DishNetworkDealerNEO
@DishNetworkDealerNEO Год назад
@@taylorlightfoot and pay the guy paying for the electricity being used by a stranger hopefully at a significant profit to the guy who has this installed on the side of his house, I hope. That means tapping the owner of the Tesla Charger into the Tesla Ecosystem to funnel payments from the driver who stopped to let his car take a sip of electrons.
@aussienyc7
@aussienyc7 Год назад
Thanks for this as mI am about to install a Tesla charger
@joshlemons3662
@joshlemons3662 Год назад
Technically level 3 is an unused high power AC charging standard. Superchargers are “DC fast chargers” not level 3.
@rockycata6078
@rockycata6078 Год назад
They'll never catch up😁 Production ramp will mainly follow solar/starlink consumer demand, but just another tool in 'total-energy-domination'. That RFID 'platform' is a future adjunct to every Tessa platform. "Product Verification" for identification/location of any Tesla energy product. Expect that the same light-weight/low-cost component to arrive with any future Tesla energy solutons
@buddhathisbread3727
@buddhathisbread3727 Год назад
Loved the 80's intro
@williamelkington5430
@williamelkington5430 Год назад
I'd be very interested in a teardown of a Clipper Creek HCS-60R charge dispenser.
@t.d.5804
@t.d.5804 Год назад
Your videos are watched worldwide, would be nice if you add the specs outside of the US for this product. This Tesla WC3 charger here in the EU works 1phase or 3phase, so 3phase 230V 32A =22kW
@ronaldxyz1001
@ronaldxyz1001 Год назад
Fascinating, thanks!
@MunroLive
@MunroLive Год назад
You bet!
@Ghartausz
@Ghartausz Год назад
The intros keep getting better and better. Cool!
@LawpickingLocksmith
@LawpickingLocksmith Год назад
waste of time!!
@rkgsd
@rkgsd Год назад
A 60 amp circuit means we're not looking at a 14-50 connection since those receptacles are rated at 50 amps. 40 amps would be the max current allowed by the EV per the 20 percent rule. You'd need the election to do a hardwire install in order to get 60 amps (more expensive).
@Resist4
@Resist4 Год назад
Okay to be clear, there is no such thing as 110/220 volt outlets in the United States, They've been 120/240 volt for like 100 years now. So why did Tesla limit what their vehicles can accept to 48 amps? Many EV's now are doing 80 amps for faster charging. The Model S used to allow 80 amps years ago.
@maciejtrybilo
@maciejtrybilo Год назад
In Europe the level 1 charger that comes with the car and plugs into the domestic socket pushes through about 3kW and adds 20 km (12.4 miles) per hour to a long range Model 3, so it's slow but not pointless.
@shiro5392
@shiro5392 11 месяцев назад
You can get a 32A (amp) blue circular socket outdoor and adapter from tesla to do level 2 charging via the mobile connector. It can then do 7.4KW like the wall connector.
@Mari0o0o
@Mari0o0o Год назад
1) these are not chargers, they are EVSE or connectors 2) There is no Level 3 charging for EVs. It’s AC L1 and L2 and then DC fast charging. I wouldn’t bother commenting on any other amateur channel but this is supposed to be an engineering company channel where such details matter.
@xfirstxlast6502
@xfirstxlast6502 Год назад
Yeah, noted that L3 comment also. They seemed to be confused about Tesla marketing definition for their DC FC hardware. I am sure they will get better, but this was a rough start.🧐
@wesvasher
@wesvasher Год назад
Wonder how long it will take Tesla to have Optimus assembling these things.
@BeepasGarage
@BeepasGarage Год назад
Do the Chargepoint Flex next!
@jean-louisbedard6518
@jean-louisbedard6518 Год назад
Thanks for the Analysis.. Could you ad extra information such as (Resistance to Weather of Casing, Cable, Connector protection in Hot or Cold temperatures)
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
Check out "State of Charge" 's youtube channel for more detailed info about operation.
@jean-louisbedard6518
@jean-louisbedard6518 Год назад
@@BatterVswithAntonio Yep but ! I trust Sandy team.
@adityagovindarajan505
@adityagovindarajan505 Год назад
A very compact design for a 48A circuit but we would like to Munro to shed more light on what it would take to get out 60A from this EVSE assuming the eV’s onboard charger can handle the extra 12A current. For example Lucid Air supports 80A AC charging on the type 1/SAEJ1772 connector with an adapter.
@trex2092
@trex2092 Год назад
Cringe, did he just say "220 volts" here in the US of A we use 240 volts.
@nononsenseBennett
@nononsenseBennett Год назад
Another typically elegant Tesla design.
@jeffreysmith4586
@jeffreysmith4586 Год назад
I'd love to see how Wall Box compares
@123rkss
@123rkss Год назад
cool video, but why didnt you take apart the connector that goes into the car? would have been nice to see that too... Also, no mention about load balancing
@Firestorm637
@Firestorm637 Год назад
Tesla wall connectors one of the fastest if on 60 amp circuit and if large 11 kw on board chargers. Some teslas have 19 kw on board charger. Wall connectors one of the cheapest vs competition. Tesla wall connector can be used with other EV’s if buy Ccs adapter
@Thomas_Acharya
@Thomas_Acharya Год назад
7:46... Are you sure the 80% rule isn't so the wires don't heat up... Since the EV chargers are on continuously and near max load unlike most electrical loads?
@martybosch8088
@martybosch8088 Год назад
All circuit breakers sold in the us are rated 80% continuous duty. There are 100% rated breakers but are uncommon in residential applications
@MNWarthogFan
@MNWarthogFan Год назад
I understand this is a 2nd edition of the video. What were the errors or oversights in the 1st edition that required a redo?
@nycameleon
@nycameleon Год назад
Sweet video, I have that charger and it does 48A nicely... But my button on the plug won't open the charge port... wish there was more on how the push button on the plug is connected. When I press the button It stops charging and unlocks, so I think the data cable is hooked up. I guess I'll open it up and look in there to see if it it was an assembly issue or quality issue.
@meyermicro
@meyermicro Год назад
My model 3 will do that if it hasn't unlocked yet. (I use my phone as a key and sometimes it's slow to unlock.)
@nycameleon
@nycameleon Год назад
@meyermicro it's an X, my mobile connector opens it fine, but this one won't
@TechnicalLee
@TechnicalLee Год назад
Not a Tesla expert, but I think charge port opening uses Bluetooth. So there could be an issue with the Bluetooth antenna in the handle.
@kennethhickey6068
@kennethhickey6068 Год назад
Are you planing to do a teardown on Fronius WallPilot charger? It would be very interesting to see how they compare to other brands. Fronius are renowned for their welding equipment and in more recent times their PV inverters.
@freddiecarr7602
@freddiecarr7602 Год назад
Did I see copper only on the terminals for the incoming wire? also what size is the wire gauge of the charging cable as it seemed 4 meters long at a max 48 amp?
@sdnative2387
@sdnative2387 Год назад
One thing not touched on is the two methods of EV charger installation - hardwired vs 14-50 outlet. I don't think most EV owners are aware of the two different options unless their electrician has told them.
@Ingineerix
@Ingineerix Год назад
There is no "Level 3" in any official standard that covers EVs. These are also EVSEs (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment), not "chargers", the charger is inside the EV. Shame on you for being an "engineering company" and getting this so wrong.
@chuckboyle8456
@chuckboyle8456 Год назад
So for a “typical” home installation in the USA, what conductors come out of the main breaker panel to the charger assembly? Stranded or solid? 16:48 What size wire for L1, L2 & Earth? What are the NEC requirements for safe operation? More installation details should have been provided.
@patrickkenny2077
@patrickkenny2077 Год назад
#6AWG, which is a coarse-stranded cable. Usually it will be a 6/3 Romex cable.
@TechnicalLee
@TechnicalLee Год назад
The video was about the EVSE itself. Those details are up to the electrician and local electrical code to determine. But a typical install for a 240V/48A charge rate will use 6 AWG wire (copper course stranded) for L1/L2 with a solid copper 10 AWG ground (earth) wire. Unlike UK, USA does not require fancy terminations with ferrules (bare wires in screw terminals is acceptable), nor a local earth rod. Virtually all EVSEs sold in the US have built-in double-pole RCD protection.
@chuckboyle8456
@chuckboyle8456 Год назад
@@TechnicalLee Superb response, greatly appreciated! Cheers!
@ArizVern
@ArizVern Год назад
RETIRED 78, USAF, VFW. TESLA LEVEL 2, CHARGER INSTALLED. WIRED 50 AMP WELDING PLUG TO 32 AMP OPTIONED WALL CHARGER WITH 20' 50 AMP EXTENSION CORD TO EXTRA WELDING OUTLET IN GARAGE SHOP. CYBERTRK WILL BE PARKED NEXT TO 2018 MODEL 3 IN GARAGE.
@Cybertruck_69
@Cybertruck_69 Год назад
The Gen3 L2 Tesla charger is well done. They do need to modify the electrical connection hub. A wet liquid tight connector doesn’t fit.
@worldinandaround
@worldinandaround Год назад
Opening music is good now
@BillSpohn
@BillSpohn Год назад
Nice work! Hope you will do an Emporia EVSE, too.
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 Год назад
MUNRO live - thank you for posting this. this is LONG overdue , as you have shown other EVSE in the past. Meanwhile , in China TESLA announces the Cybervault , a locking EVSE home charger for Tesla in China. the Metal exterior is made like the Cybertruck , low polygon and Angular. and its just a Standard wall connector.
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
its only available in China, atm. :(
@Frank_W.
@Frank_W. Год назад
I hope it comes to USA even though I don’t have a need for the locking aspect of it, it will match my CT.
@roxter299roxter7
@roxter299roxter7 Год назад
I like the new intro!
@steventrimble2275
@steventrimble2275 Год назад
Antonio rocks!
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
🤘
@frollard
@frollard Год назад
the unknown connector on the back (red white) may be the deprecated 'serial' port to interconnect between wall connectors allowing them to safely share a breaker. Previous versions relied on a physical data connection to accomplish this. The modern ones use a wireless network to instruct one another how to share gracefully. The wire terminals may be to enable sharing with a gen 1 or gen 2 wall connector...just undocumented.
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
confirmed this as true
@Marki555
@Marki555 Год назад
@@BatterVswithAntonio where did you find that confirmation?
@BatterVswithAntonio
@BatterVswithAntonio Год назад
@@Marki555 confidential source ;-)
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