This video has nothing to do with whether or not skillpoint farming is profitable or not. I am just showing how I make a skillpoint alt to get as much skillpoints as possible in shortest amount of time possible.
You could save even more ISK setting the farm up if you only buy the 2 implants to boost the primary and secondary attribute of the skills your training - given that you already chose the skills to have the same primary/secondary attributes!
@@xPreatorianx1 You just need 2, get perception and wilpower implants, remap your attributes for max perception and whats left to willpower. Train any race battle crusier to 5. You get 3 injectors per month, well its a little more but you can't take halves... well after you have cybernetic 5
Quick suggestion: when making a brand new toon, you can buy a cheap "prototype cerebral accelerator" for like 20 mil that lasts 14 days (or 28 if biology 5) and adds 9 points to all attributes
13.5 SP/minute is nothing to sneeze at. It works out to around 275K SP, or double that if you inject or train biology 5 (only an x1) before popping the booster. It represents 10% of the SP needed to start extracting skills.
What you're not mentioning is that to get 5,500,000 SP you need to train almost 3 months if you start from zero (using improved implants only). 500,000 SP takes about 8 days, so in 1 month you can only fill about 3 or 4 large injectors. To get 14 large injectors like in your video, someone would need to train for more than 3.5 months on top of the time needed to get the initial 5,500,000 SP (Max training speed without accelerators is 64,800 SP/day), so more than 6 months training (and paying). Or am I missing something?
You could train up to 5 million as alpha, then inject that million bonus points you get for using a referral link, boosting you above 5.5m Sure, it'll take longer, but it will not cost as much.
I feel like you could optimize this even more. You can't extract skill points below 5 Million SP. IIRC, 5 million is about what you need to get a Planetary Industry alt. You can first train the toon into a PI alt, then plug in perception and memory and train nothing but Spaceship Command skills. That way you can do PI and make some extra money, and you also have access to certain ship hulls (although no modules) if you want to swap the skill farm toon into a proper alt that will fly proper ships. The alt must be omega, so you may as well run PI on it and multibox in highsec so you don't get podded. If you just want skill farm, thats fine, just extract the Spaceship command skills. Train up to Marauders V, and extract everything back down. This way, you have some more flexibility.
First: you haven't used alpha time to skilled up to 5 mln skill points, so you overinvested. Secondly: you are remapping intelligence and memory because you will only use them for farming, so no implants are needed for the rest of the attributes - 450 mln isk lost. Thirdly: farming skill points are currently unprofitable, only to significantly reduce the cost of running another omega account.
I think it is clear that he knows this give his other videos. That being said, your comment, although critical, is beneficial to people thinking of skill farming.
another little idea i just came up with is that you can use remap, every new character have 3 remaps 1 yearly and 2 bbonus remap, so if its a farming character we can remap the attributes to a specific category making the training fastest by only training the specific category skills, like spaceship command, gunnery which actually have a very big max skill points. which on the top of that also have same attributes.
I can't do that to an alt. It's too cruel, to have him/her study up, get knowledgeable, then suck the marrow. "It's a toon! Harden the eff up!", I can hear. It's still cruel.
So is the point to dump the skill injectors to your main for beefing up skills or for making passive ISK to convert to plex to get Omega for either main or this account? Just curious what you do with your injectors
Pointless to do that, the more skill point you have the less you get when injecting, I call this fake, he said he remapped to speed training, last shot shows 4 skills at 28 and one at 27, no remap there for max training, it only works out profitable because he used plex to buy injectors, probably from referral perks
Where are you getting the 2000 plex from to buy injectors?? its fake, sit down work out the cost, see how much you need to pull out from your wallet to make it work.
Save the implant costs past 2, use boosters when available, daily login bonus and there's many other choices i.e. Blueprints, manufacturing, reactions, mining, gate scout, abyss lookout (cloaked and combat ready) use that alt.
Dumb question, how do I add an alt and Eve whenever I go to add account on the launcher? It just brings me in an infinite loop at the Eve website and won't let me add another alt. No clue what's going on. Thanks for the help
I am also confused as to why this process nets any advantage over just buying the skillpoint injectors (full) rather than buying the empty extractors with PLEX, and then taking over two-three months of Omega training time in the form of SP to then sell back on the market for ISK? It seems like either a waste of money or a waste of time. And if you needed more skills faster, then you could just buy the full injectors from the market using ISK or PLEX...right? I don't quite get it either, same as a few other commenters.
it could be profitable only using Alpha skills, maybe you could make an alternative Skill farm map? Looks good but I would not invest an Omega unless I'd really need those skill points for my main as you probably do.
Alpha's are capped at 5 million SP. Theoretically, I suppose you could train up to 5M and then redeem the free 1M SP and make 1 large skill extractor and then that account is done. So, you could make a new account every day and ~5 months later, start extracting 1 large skill injector per day, every day, for free.
No... Each skill has a primary and secondary attribute that both affect how long the skill takes to train. It was said in the video. And it has been this way for over 15 years if not the entire lifetime of the game. Source: I have been playing since 2k7.
@@mctobi2921 it's easy to calculate for today, but for the long distance it can be diff. I just want to know statistic, but not caclucation :) Its can be the same, but not always
Rip skill farms...thanks to your video now everyone goes and does it only to watch the price drop making it not profitable. At least I will be around...send me your isk I will double it for you.
this game so complex , and in end fight is like crap , i see 2 laser beams and ship rotating up and down game over .... its like i am fighting on a cosmos wallapaer which eats gpu for wallapaper graphics
I'm curious...You can't train an Alpha character beyond 5 mil skill points so this alt of yours must be a paid Omega account to get to 10 mil skill points. No matter how you pay for it it would just seem cheaper to buy the injectors. Second is the fact that you have to buy the skill extractors with real money. 40 bucks for 10 so 5 mil skill points cost 40 bucks plus training an Omega character to 11 or so mil skill points. I simply train all of my characters with implants and remaps as I train a certain group in waves to take advantage of the remap. There is no way I'd pay what it takes here to get 5 mil skill points added to another character.
@@Aceyface After further investigation I must once again claim that with an alpha character you can only obtain 5 mil skill points without spending money. You can buy Omega, but the cost is ridiculous considering you must then obtain the maximum skill points for the one month the Omega cost you in real dollars or plex. The alpha injector once again will cost. You cannot train an alpha clone beyond 5 mil skill points without cost in real money or isk. The best option I see is buying the alpha skill injectors and then the extractors which will cost you about 5.75 dollars per 500,000 skill points. Inject then extract. It's not overly expensive, but most people don't like spending real money.
cloaking and remap for it, it gives 1 injector every 8 days, with no accelerators at all. with omega gifts you get more than 4 injectors a month. free omega alts to mine or pi or what ever you want.
So youre saying that if i train a skill to max, i can extract its points and spend them on something else and the skill its extracted from will still be trained?
No, thats the point of it. You can plex your alt for free with that. You got 2 choices... eighter you play with an 5 mil Alpha account, or do this.. still only have 5 mil but have an omega account as the money you get from skill extraction plays for your Subscribtion. So essentially an free omega account (but without getting more skillpoints, but as an Alpha you wouldnt increase them anyway... so its still an straight upgrade)
You just need 2 implants, get perception and wilpower implants, remap your attributes for max perception and whats left to willpower. Train any race battle crusier to 5. You get 3 injectors per month, well its a little more but you can't take halves... well after you have cybernetic 5. Also better to trade in perimeter due to cheaper taxes.
I tried this and the time went up from 400 something days to over 500. Are you really sure about perception and willpower? EveMon says i should optimize to Intelligence and Memory
@@pinguincoder Evemon is probably using whats in your skill queue. Fill the queue with skills that have the same primary and secondary attribute. Need to check them as things like advanced space ship skills are not the same as the basic ones, ie assault ships won't have the same primary attribute as battle cruiser or bs. I just use bc5 and bs 5 for my skill farms. attributes are the same and I only have 2 plus 5+. Been doing it for many years.
@@earnestemu5148 ah ok ty. Yeah i remapped according top the Plan of Ace face . So you learn frigate, Cruiser, Battlecruiser and Battleship all Up to Level 5 with all the prerequisites?
@@pinguincoder Not sure what prereq were. But if you doing this to skill farm you need cybernetics 5 for the 2 x plus 5 implants and then train the skills you are mapped for. I find it easier to use perception/willpower as you have all the T1 ships plus gunnery and missiles to choose from. Generally in a month you can do BC5 plus a little something else. Then all you do is extract the bc5 and put it back in the queue. That way you only need 1 race skills, dont need frig, dest or cruiser to 5.
(This is more for the posters below who doubt it can be profitable) I've been plexing 3 to 6 accounts with skill trading alone since skill extractors/injectors were added to the game. When I first started it the isk was insane. I was plexing more than one account with only one farmer account. Now I can plex an account with 1 pilot per account but dont make a profit. With 3 pilots on an account I can profit 500m per month. This is -IF- I do things right. +5 implants, max stats in the appropriate places, and buy and sell on the best of buy or sell orders (or the New Eden Store). Consider that each hub may be different. Some will net you more isk than others, some profitable some not. Bottom line is even if I only make enough isk this way to buy 475 plex that is 475 plex less I have to buy at the end of the month to play essentially free.
I have a question :) I have 3 accounts, not played EVE in a very long time, I dont plan to use at least 1 alt, he has 62M SP is it worth buying Omega, and Extractors to suck my character down to 5.5m sp? and use the remaining omega time with its +5 implants to learn your skills + remap for the rest of the 30days? Im not too lazy to find out Im just not very good at maths :D
Players watching this video: SP farm is not to profit only doing that. He mentioned, that this is process where you also use your character for something else meanwhile its training (PI for example).In other words, SP farm from this character is only cherry on top of making additional ISK with this alt doing something else (that you need to train before you start milking SP). ATM, with current prices, you would need 34 days to train 2.3M SP to convert it into 500PLEX.. So you are not even paying for this account with your SPs extracted..
This is true, however, if you have for example 10 miners, you would have to mine a considerable amount each month to plex the accounts leaving little profit. If you skill extract on each of the miners accounts then suddenly they only have to make 2-300m each to plex the difference. If you then do PI on top of that with each one then you are basically plexing for free and everything you mind if profit which on the case of 10 miners is about 700m/hr
@@Agnus78 the point is that you can essentially play for free if you skill extract + PI. This basically means you're free to spend your time in game doing whatever you like without having to worry about plexing your account. This is likewise true for people who pay for their subscription however this isn't an option for everyone.
@@iShaymus But my point is that once you are done with PI (extractors, materials hauling) you end up with no spare time to do what you really want, in game. Im not talking about young ppl, im talking about ppl with jobs and kids, like myself. There is no point in trying to play for free using things you mentioned - becouse it would eat your play time and Eve Online become second job with things you need to do and not something you really enjoy.
@@Agnus78 and I can assure you that all the people I know that do this have full time jobs and families and commit less than three hours a month to managing it. All the hauling is done through contracts. They simply buy in Jita, pay for shipping and set things in motion. The recent reductions in PI mass by 500% means factory planets can literally run all month without needing to be emptied. Buy materials at start of month, have it shipped. Fill up factory planets. (Maybe 1 hour at a complete push) Mid month refill planets will more material (30-40 mins) End of month empty POCOs and contract to move to Jita. List on market (Another hour at a push)