Eve Online vs Elite Dangerous - Comparing the Two Largest Space MMO Games! 

It's times like those I wish there was a way to fire up a SOS beacon so other players can come running but that would put a damper on the whole piracy aspect of ED.

He had to have misspoke here. Elite, every encounter is a dogfight where your skill at working the controler can make a difference. Where as in eve click ctrl, keep at range, and activate guns is about as exciting as combat gets. Oh dont let me forget your real strategic move of warping out, until you get scrambled

@@cmdrsygramyrgrayson272 I'm just going to assume you didn't do much combat past the tutorial lol.

Elite has never given me the heart racing vibe Eve did. Eve is simply a more intense experience. Doesn't mean it is more fun though. Both are amazing games but very different.

Today i lost 80 tons void opals , frontal Crash enter to the station no shields yo get more cargo and humo, fuck

Yep, exactly

@@RandomNameLastName811 Thank you for the information. I am impressed by orbiter. Still ED features Alcubierre drive for interstellar travel. The quality of the procedurally generated milky way is impressive.

@@RandomNameLastName811With Alcubierre drive you don't move at all.

@@RandomNameLastName811 In elite when you drop near a space station on the hud it displays some numbers but they are relative to the object e.g to the station, but the station itself is moving. All maneuvers in regular space are relative to a reference object and they do not exceed jet speeds. But once again thanks for the reference of space engine, the new version is amazing. FD they look like complete amateurs to this. So maybe you are right, orbiter for solar system exploration, and space engine for beyond. I hope they will eventually come up with something interesting, if they do they will be several years late.

@@RandomNameLastName811 I think you made your point brilliantly. Just one question, do I need absolutely the last version of Space engine or the latest free is good enough to see in the first time.

I was just thinking the same as I came across your comment.. well said! hear, hear..

I guess adding economy to the game is much easier than adding first person flight

the multidirectional weapons systems of eve dont lend itself to cockpit view. but it would be awesome to fly through jita in my boosted rifter in 1st person

@@bjorn1583 Too bad they dropped Valkyrie... Even then, too bad Valkyrie was VR exclusive.

@@bjorn1583 Oh yea it would.. totally awesome! I'd love it if we had that option even though I guess it would mess with the lore of being a "capsuleer".. sigh* I for one would be okay with changing or advancing the story arc to still be one with your ship through a special seat or something that connects to you neurally through a neural cap or something but the seat would be in the cockpit with no visual obstruction out of your window..

Eve isn't quite my kind of thing More games like war thunder and that kind of thing

Haven't played eve but I gotta be a Memer, "both is good"

@@ultimatebigbrainhelth3161 you mean war games like product's of wargaming.net

o7 Commander.

@@ultimatebigbrainhelth3161 yep, in general MMOs are not for everyone and it requires certain types of mindsets to be able to play it. Being ok with losing shit ton of money and ships is one of them

I came here to say the exact same thing. With a VR headset, it's like you're there. You can't truly experience the scale until you play through VR. It's amazing.

The problem with elite dangerous in vr is that once you play, you won't want to play it on a flat screen again 😂

@@TheDrZepsuj Bullshit. I played ED some hundred hours on my 55" 3D screen and tried it aswell in my Lenovo Explorer HMD. Not much of a difference, and it isn't worth the hassle.

@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 just the ability to freely look around is game changing. On vive pro wireless it is stunning.

@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 it's because that is a low end hmd, and also the game is optimized for oculus or steam vr headsets.

but those juicy killmails though

It’s basically the same as elite, just that eve doesn’t offer a 95% insurance. In effect, replacement cost is the rebut cost.

Personal opinion if Eve's community wasn't the way it is it would be a much better game,and probably getting a refund,like every time you get attacked,you get sth of interest

@@Tonatsi u can get insurance on ships

@@antimatter7337 Yeah, but it doesnt cover the actual replacement of your ship.

Got ganked by Trigs in a "dedicated rookie system" lol

@@rustyshackleford8373 There is no such thing as safe in EVE. Even docked up you're not safe. lol.

@@mycroft16 How are you not safe docked up? Asking for a friend in NC.

@@rustyshackleford8373 Because docked up you can still be scammed and lose on the market. Your stuff can still be stolen. Yeah, your ship isn't going to get ganked but there's still risk.

Basically the same with ED except for you do have the option to watch more videos or do more tutorials but if you don’t catch that you are just thrown in. It’s a rough start if you don’t watch any yt videos about it but you’ll know what to do writhing an hour or so

@GuiltyKing27 At least those are easy to replace. A cautionary tale of a newbro PLEXing too fast. Back in the summer, I started Eve, and joined a NullSec corp, thinking I'm ready for this, after what? A month? I was moving my shit. My transport got ganked, and there was only two enemy cruisers, but lost a good chunk of my ship collection with it, a couple frigates and destroyers and one cruiser of my own, if memory serves. So I decided to grab my BS for revenge, figured I could take them, judging from the killmail. But, as soon as I got back in system, there was a whole gank gang, like seven of em. Once I realized it was a lost cause, I ejected the capsule so I could get a head start back to the gate before they could pod me. That at least, worked. Silver linings, right? Still, I stopped playing for awhile after that I was so embarrassed at own my noob idiocy and losing so much ISK, in such a short time. And that BS was my baby. But good decisions come from experience, and experience come from bad decisions. Should've just taken the L. That still makes me smdh.

ah yes i hate those brown pseudo stars

Brown dwarfs are evil. On multiple occasions I've gotten to close to them and almost burned up.

EVE was fun back in the day.Now, its literally about 100 people multiboxing who control EVERYTHING & EVERY system.You cant setup in low sec ANYWHERE before they hot drop your ass with a jesus blob.Of course null sec is tightly controlled & fought over by the leviathan alliances.You either join one of the big ass alliances, or you do PVE.Otherwise you roam around & PVP where you can, but unless you have lots of money to spend on replacing ships, clones, plants etc, then you MUST do some kind of PI or PVE to sustain it. I already have a full time job.EVE is great if you want a second life, otherwise, you will find it quite tedious.

@@Lord-Inquisitor LOL such a common tale.Welcome to the jungle! we got fun and games! This video will help prepare you 😁 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bkzv-3vJn4w.html

Best will always be your drive to put you out of FSD.... but making you fully pass between the three of a triple star system. the only thing you hear at that moment is your temperature warning, and your hope not to explode in the middle. xD xD

Getting winedrunk and playing Elite in VR while blasting music is the best experience Ive ever had.

@@red-dm1tl that's pretty sad dude, there's a lot more to life than that. apart from the obvious, there's motorbike riding, kite surfing, mountain climbing, travelling... maybe having a family?

@@keaponlaffin6737 Man you didn't have to take that sentence literally. Let's just say it's one of the best experience. But the list almost always involves alcohol. oh well.

@@red-dm1tl aha i see, my bad. well yeah alcohol is alright in moderation, usually gets you schnockered pretty quick though lol

Dr Galactose i highly respect this last point

I love it to. Sometimes, if you can see the center of the galaxy well, I drop out of Supercruise and enjoy the view. Because the game shows how the space is. Dangerous, huge, empty. You and your ship! I love that

My response for the lack of empty space EVE has are because of two things: long and established corporations have placed their mark, and funnel down of players into one server only.

Dan The Lion it’s not that there’s a lack of space. In all actuality, there’s a *lot* of unused and empty space in eve online, if you played the game without an overview, and attempted to get everywhere by sunlight engines, you might really feel the expanse. Size is really relative, just like time - things appear smaller when the time to traverse them decreases. Just like how fast travel makes open world games feel much smaller, or mounts in the same regard... Tldr, Eve isn’t necessarily that much smaller than elite dangerous, if you used your sublight drives to get everywhere, or had incentive to explore every single system and planet and be provided with less information, then the actual size difference would be irrelevant, as there would be more things to do and see then you’d ever get in a lifetime.

Composer Viktor, I’ve never actually played Eve before, I’m sure it’s an awesome game like Elite (cuz I’ve played elite), but Elite has a lot of information in as well. But compared to Eve, I think that 8,000 stars (including the rest of the system) doesn’t really compare to 400 billion stars and its systems. Each star also has a different type and size in Elite and that’s what makes it sooooo amazing. Idk tho about Eve cuz I’ve never played it, maybe it does have different star types, I have no idea. But oh well, that’s just my opinion

An honest question: why would you grind through all the engineers stuff etc? What's the advantage besides better pvp abilities?

@@WatchMysh Engineering improves everything (it's supposed to be tradeoffs, but the downsides are pretty minimal compared to the benefits). It's the same reason you'd grind for a-rated modules.

@@Nuovoswiss ok, thanks for the insights. And what can you do with it afterwards? I quit a few years ago because there was nothing to do besides exploration and combat. Has the economy for example improved? The base game is so damm good and I love the audio. But it felt like Frontier developed at a glacial pace so I lost interest. The last thing I took a glance at was the multicrew update. Well... I thought it would get me back into the game but the reality was quite underwhelming. Does anyone make use of it at all?

@@WatchMysh AFAIK the base economy is no different than it used to be. It's pretty standard for a (basically single-player) space game. Aside from exploration and combat, there are some "story-ish" things to do like collect the lore on the aliens, or the power play, or the community goals. But the game still comes down to a LOT of repetitive activity. I hear multi-crew is still buggy, not sure how many people use it. Seems like mostly a novelty thing.

@@Nuovoswiss multi crew is borderline completely broken. The game relies on peer to peer connections and does a terrible job syncing players. So the game basically breaks itself if you ever try doing multi crew. Trying to matchmake into a multi crew session is impossible since ZERO people use it now.

Yeah

Yeah, one clearly looks like a Flight Simulator and the other a Battle Ship game. The only thing they have in common is that they take place in space.

Apples and oranges on the same plate waiting to be eaten. What do you choose? Things don't have to match to be compared.

Apples are better

@@CaptainShack true, fruit are fruit are fruit, and should be compared on the same plate... must find tomatoes and pumpkins in there somewhere too.

X4 Foundations

star citizen

@Joshua Drew I think everyone has kind of established in their head that Star Citizen is basically never coming out.

@@indexaccel never say never.

@@indexaccel The pain

Vendetta online is mid between these games

the fact that you dont even feel like a pilot in EVE is just the fact that i quit. Its ridicilous to play pvp in a ship you dont even feel like a pilot in. Seriously tho

I prefer small ships in Eve Online. The only big ships I do is hulks, orcas, and freighters. If not group mining, I'm usually in a frigate, maybe a destroyer or a disposable cruiser. If hauling valuable its usually a frigate or a blockade runner in shielded containers - quick time to align and accelerate, faster than the gate camp gankers can target you with scramblers.

except.... doesn't the Lore of EVE Online claims that all ships are piloted by a single officer (the Player Character) thanks to advances in Neural Interface technology?

Nah. EVE Online makes you feel like a captain.

Well said.. agreed!

Elite is more of a game one can enjoy the view of, and explore at your own pace, while eve is more of a game where you interact with the world alround you. One can ignore the community in elite, but you certainly cannot do that in eve.

@@stefangrobbink7760 Having played both, Eve can be a lot more new player friendly as players/corps can support new players with ships, skills, money and teaming. With elite, I found it very isolating experience and repetitive.

If every ship you buy is made by players, where did the first ships come from??? There are holes in your claim... :D

@@michalvalta5231 Simple, you get a free ship if your current ship exploded or if you docked in your escape pod (was an old exploid to get unlimited free ships and you could refine that ship for minerals). Blue prints for new ships where sold by the major empires. So, mining gives minerals, missions and ratting gives isk, you buy a blueprint and presto youve got another ship.

Hahah!!!

Truth, and having played for -A- and GSF, I can tell you its critical at times.

good one, and so true. eve should have 'scan' button counter. sort of starcrat apm system.

I don't see my life in 3rd person unlike you.

just use microsoft excel as methadon if you are addicted... you wont even notice a difference and you have more money at the end of the month... real life money...

@@fiveelementsgaming8171 that was basically what uninterested me from eve. It's essential just an mmo. If I wanted that I could just go play WoW

@@sivvinod3187 When you go to Orgrimmar, the Zeppelin overhead is coded in. The shop keepers are scripts, and not even smart ones. When you go to Jita, you sell to humans, you buy from humans, you are scammed by humans. There's a player flying that mile-long cargoship currently eclipsing the sun, and for that matter the other 17 giant fucking scifi transports dotted around your screen. It looks like something out of Babylon 5 or a Star Wars "crowd shot", but none of it is staged. Everyone is there for their own reasons, and you might never know what it is.

@@Groza_Dallocort there's too much uncertainty in the system. Sure, some people might like that, but me, nah.

I Love Elite too. Im at a point of the game, where I can fly around and do what I want. Mostly I search for new things. Starring into the empty sky, filled with stars far away and know this is what the space Looks like

@@RandomNameLastName811 I dont know, in the last time I tryed to get enough money for the fleet carrier

I actually find elite's skies kind of dull in comparison to eve's

I got the best ship in a month of mining in elite. No reason to play now.

He would need a week to just barely scratch the surface of the eve economy....it's that complex

Also to add, the economy of eve relies on the players to feed it, PvP, pve, manufacturing, farming, from the bottom right to the top it is all player influenced because without the players at the bottom there would never be enough to keep those at the top in place

@@sniggs101 That is very true, and something that seems to get overlooked by most; that must be why some (derisively) call Eve 'spreadsheets in space.'

That may or may not work out for ED; being able to 'turn off' PvP whenever you wish (within limits) means that there's no pressure, no 'live' challenge. If it's a choice between boredom or burnout/rage-quitting, I'll take the more emotional option to borderline depression. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--bOKsOveYD0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-73kEkxJv6Xs.html

And just to think that the economy of everything is player driven

At this point Elite Dangerous will not go there with their past two expansions being failures. They simply do not have the money (or skill) to create the complexity of EVE. Even X4 foundations does it better then Elite Dangerous.

Just started myself and its deffo overwhelming ha

@@theprongs4175 There are a lot of New player friendly corps. When i started i applied to Pandemic horde and ive been with them ever since

The conclusion EVE reaches is more logical, though. Computers will always be better at calculating railgun trajectories than a human. Your focus as a pilot should be power and trajectory management.

@@Kirisame312 have you played ED?

Karbon Krankin yeah, and it's awesome visually. But the idea that anyone would be allowed to slam into stations and other ships by the time humanity reaches outer space in reality is patently ridiculous. Very fun though...

I dont have to number crunch and I am pretty successful in eve.

You don't really even fly Eve ships. You point and click a destination for it.

First we need a decent resolution in VR

That's is 100% true, one of the most beautiful games in VR.

@@AdioAurel Change the Pixel density to 1.5 or above in the settings, and if your graphic card can't deal with it, change the card! In my PC looks amazing!

@@AdioAurel Already in 4k or 8k using pimax VR headset...how much more higher do you need lol.

Idk from what I see in VR gameplays...shit looks bad...and THAT'S suppose to be 4k...

As a wise Latvian man once sayd: " DONT FLY WITHOUT REBUY"

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The AspX is arguably one of the best ships in the game. It's THE medium ship multirole ship. How did you get blown up?

@@cmdrgarbage1895 Well if you are in a explorer build with the asp, then that's easy.

But she's 14 (Refering to the ships)

@@wzr3293 Damn the society which requires you to open that paranthesis... Hahaha.

asking the real questions xD

You can carry slaves 😂

@@drd444 oh we got slaves too in EvE. and also Elite Slaves, Freed Slaves or even Slavers^^ not to mention the highly popular Exotic Dancers, Male xD and dont get me started on Prostitutes, Janitors and Freedom Fighters :P

@@zynxao8270 Have you ever snuck into a station and dumped over 500 tons of biowaste in a rally against the Federation though? I mean yes I'm wanted in that system now and my Cutter needed a grand washing afterwards, but it was worth it. hehe

i think you are out of the meta. but its exotic dancers ( male) is what you are looking for

Me and a friend taught someone this lesson today. He was in a REALLY shit fit Mackinaw (we're miners too but his ship made us groan.) So we get our 11 million isk catalysts and ganked him in a .5 system and got him before CONCORD showed up. The best part was his 80 million isk deadspace self rep dropped as loot. Lets just say he got kinda salty and demanded I repay him the isk he lost. Instead I gave him some actual good fits that didn't include trying to both shield rep a mackinaw and try to armor tank it at the same time. I also told him to fly a skiff lol. (Gave him fits for both ships.)

@@coloradodrives7784 this hurt to read, because yes i was that stupid first starting out, and yes i was stupid enough to demand someone pay me the value of the ship they blew up, at least you were nice enough to teach him rather than laugh at his stupidity, then again i totally would have done the same in your shoes lol

"EVE Online on the other hand, your very existence is an act of war" Dude, this statement is so fucking true that it hurts! Seriously, best description of Eve Online I've ever heard.

@@allthatishere everything i said in that comment is from personal first hand experience :D

Thanks for the heads up. Don't want to waste my money on getting blown up all the time.

You donot understand how large 40 trillion is . ED is a 1-1 representation which would be 400 billionish stars.

I don’t know where you got those figures from but there are around 400billion stars in our Galaxy. I haven’t got a clue where you got 40 trillion from, there is nothing remotely scientific that offers estimations anywhere near that number.

That are Numbers we cant Imagine. No living human can visit every star in our space sector im elite

C W The numbers still don’t add up for our galaxy even if most of them are binary etc

That's a marketing lie. There aren't billions of stars in Elite.

"Eve is so involved you really need to be unemployed to have enough time to devote to it." Screenshotted for that. I think we now know how to keep people from getting bored during actual interstellar travel...

We literally have spaceships with cockpits and glass...

@@jaxrammus9165 And I always hate it when I see them. I try to forget they exist on the ships I notice them on. Capsuleers do function as I mentioned as above though.

@@chaotixthefox true, but you need the fail safe of glass windows. Shit breaks often due to the radiation of space

@@jaxrammus9165 ? Likelyhood is that future combat space ships will not HAVE glass.... anywhere. Glass would form a weakpoint in the armour system in an environment that is likely going to be heavily reliant on kinetic kill weaponry. Everything will be handled by sensor systems and computers, as combat speeds will be very high, even today there is very little actual manual flying in space. Relative velocities are a very real thing.... and everything is moving relative to everything else. if space warships have glass, it will likely only be on specialist docking towers manned only for that one purpose, and almost certainly isolated from the main armoured hull of the ship via an absolute ton of bulkheads!

@@alganhar1 you people are either stupid as fuck or delusional.

YES!.... All of this. The problem is there are a small but very loud group of die hard fanatics for ED that don't want it to change. Go to the forums and make a suggestion to tweek a few already in game systems to really open up the game play and you will get hounded for trying to break their game play or that you are not imaginative enough. Serious???... ED has so much potential. If they developers actually tried to make the game have more depth, listen to the player base, maybe hire a think tank of people not already on staff to come up with new ideas, the game could flourish. It sucks, I really wanted to like ED, I did like ED, for about 4 months but Eve always has something new to do or new way to experience it.

@@tach9168 ED needs what Eve has (implemented differently, not copycat style): Layers of complexity that synergize to give more dimensions of complexity. TBH the toppost plus your comment almost reads like neither the players nor the devs want what will make the game better; 'better' meaning both more playable and long-term replayable, and have modern, modular complexity and updatability without being unmaintainable.

@@tach9168 This is a lecture from the author of _Outliers_ , and the lesson I get from it isn't about quality testing, but consumer preference; how the consumers didn't know what they actually liked best until they were offered it.

Eve is about world economy as well and the feeling of betrayal from your allies in your corps/faction.

@@veyolaski4324 What deters me from Eve the most is that I hear much more about boredom, betrayal, and ganking than I do the epic battles, wild adventures, and loyalty of core corp. members.

@@HuntingTarg you get ganked and traveling in space on a cargo ship could get you killed

Thanks! This is a helpful comment, I'm picking between the two right now

That sums it up well. I played eve for years and doubt any other game will come close to the experiences I had in it. Elite is more of a theme park compared to eve and the grind feels a lot more like a traditional mmo. Especially seeing as you don't really lose much when you die.

the thing about ED is that it knows things are relative. It’ll send pirates after you when you have millions of credits of gold, and most likely you forked over 90% of your earnings to get that, and losing it would mean effectively restarting from 0. Eve is obtuse because it’s a game, ED is obtuse because it’s a universe sim. Eve has far too many menus at any given time, yet ED lets you choose which menus to open, has relevant submenus in the same menu and even lets you keybind the important stuff so you’re not always looking for the “withdraw landing gear” button in the menus. Eve has more “scale” because it has lower quality. It is the Zerg Rush of space games; only effective because of spectacle. Sure there are thousands of players but that’s only because the game is a 2003 game; it’s very low quality graphically and statistically. It’s meant to be a standard MMO but in space, not a space MMO. ED is an entirely different beast. You’ll barely understand everything until you realize you understand it completely; nearly a quarter of your keyboard is designated for movement alone, and it’s also the mouse’s entire job. You’ll optimize everything while playing ED; the routes you take, which ship you take for the job, your weapons. There is no “one size fits all” approach to it; no supercarriers that are efficient in everything from combat to trading to mining. Everything is a compromise in Elite. You either spec into travel, combat, trading or mining. _And you will get damn proficient at whatever you choose._ You’ll figure out the best routes for gold trades and the best systems to mine at. You’ll plot your journey specifically around which stars you can scoop from. Even just watching high level ED play is amazing; I personally once hid behind a building and waited for my opponents to pass me so I could get the drop on _THEM_ in arena. You can’t do that in Eve; the camera simply doesn’t support it. And the last nail in the coffin: ED isn’t pay to win. People EARN those fancy ships and carriers. Sure, ED is more forgiving, but that’s only because Eve want you to buy your stuff back _with real money._ You can take pride in what you’ve earned in ED and admire those who’ve gotten past you. You can’t feel like anyone’s earned anything in Eve. The whales will always be at the top and you will never have a chance to get to _HALF_ their level. Elite dangerous is a full game that treats itself like it. Eve is a computer MMO that treats itself like a mobile MMO. It even looks like that “league of angels” UI to boot.

@@obviouslykaleb7998 eve a standard mmo? Elite is more the standard mmo IMO. Its got the first person flight but other than that it's exactly like a standard mmo. Faction grinding, untradable mats you have to grind, no risk to dying, end game ships and engineering is basically like having top tier weapoms/armour in any other mmo because you don't lose it when you die so it becomes the norm to have these things. In my mind elite would be much better if they made you lose your ship upon death and got rid of private/solo play.

@@obviouslykaleb7998 if everytime u are using REAL MONEY to buy back stuffs after getting destroy... i srsly think eve doesnt suits u

@@davids.654 actually, I never installed it, lol. Got sucked into Space Engineers for awhile though.

you still have the same opinion?

@@marco.castiglia Yep. Still playing.

​@@Matterian what about other titles like No man's Sky or Star Citizen (i dunno about this last one tho)?

Exactly...

I think saying "eve is better" or "ED is better" is a waste of time, they're different types of gameplay and it's very hard to compare them. I'm sorry if your initial experiences with EVE were hostile, but it's fairly well known that the general community in EVE is a very friendly one :) nobody said you can't be friendly and still shoot eachother for fun. Also, you can do plenty to get somewhere solo in EVE, but like you pointed out with your ED example, it takes some skill and know-how to figure out your options :) Of course I haven't played ED so I'm not gonna make a statement about which is better, this is just me adding my two cents on your comment Fly safe o7

I have to (partially) disagree with you about Eve not being friendly. Sure in null and low sec there is a lot of unprovoked attacks and treachery, but in hi-sec things are pretty chill. You can get suicide ganked, but it's not common, especially if you aren't hauling a fat load into Jita. To put a point on things, I've run into randoms in wormholes twice now and either teamed up with them or agreed to peaceably partition the loot (relic sites). On two other occasions, I've had randoms ask for help on a mission in general chat and everything was cool.

@@Nuovoswiss Agreed, another thing that can happen in lowsec, even though its treacherous, unforgiving, PvP, is the traditional 'Good fight' manners or GF, the pvp-ers will say after a fight. Frenemies are a thing, people you fight but kind of like and respect. I have a few of those. Sometimes the tactics cross the line though and they become a 'true rival', not a frenemy, but this is the content of the game.

It's quite friendly socially if you're talking to people.. I don't see playing a pvp game as a pvp game making as socially unfriendly..

@Astuteous Maximus Not wrong in the rush, I am a super and Titan Pilot for a middling size Alliance with a limited super ship replacement program. What this means is I stand to lose 10 (for a Supercarrier) - 30 (for a Titan) Billion ISK each time I jump those ships into a fight. The Alliance will pay for the hull, but not the fit (and yes, the doctrine Titan fit will run in around 30 billion ISK if you factor in you are likely to lose the pod as well).

At this moment eve has me quite pissed off though lol

Eve is probably the most intense game I've played. You lose all your stuff when you die, period. You don't get it back for a fraction of the cost like you do in elite. So pvp really gets the adrenaline going especially if you're in something expensive. Always loved that about eve. Though I haven't played it for years because it is a MASSIVE time consumption.

@feli uwu the problem with that reply is that as long as you have the rebuy, you still get everything back. Fully engineered vs fully engineered or not you know either way you are safe. Why do you think not everyone is camping in COD? They know they are going to respawn. Nothing feels like bringing a couple billion isk ship out and starting or getting into a fight with it. All the questions come up, did I miscalculate what they have, is this a trap, can I survive the weapons timer, will other randoms jump in, etc? Knowing that its gone if you are blown up has quite an affect on you. No other game has got me as pumped for fights, PvP or PvE like Eve has. I have played both Eve and ED and the FP way you can fly in ED is amazing and I have been in some amazing fights with some narrow escapes and some not making it out but there was never the fear that this ship is gone if I can't pull this off.

@@tach9168 I for one love the way EVE plays it makes a lot of sense if you think about it being one with your ship but holly crap the learning curve of EVE is insane people actually make videos of thus and to think off how many corpses are hanging from that cliff its one of the biggest grave yards in any game i know off

"put forth the effort" yeah.. 2K light years + 5K light years + 6K light years back to your starting point. So a 13K light year trip with an average jump of 25ly equals around 500 jumps. One jump is about 2-3 minutes which includes quickly scanning unexplored systems. 1500 minutes is 25 hours. Playing 8 hours a day, thats 3 days of just jumping, scanning, jumping. Not trying to bash ED, just trying to put the "put forth the effort" into numbers. You have to be dedicated in ED to explore and not burn out.

@@DesertStateNevada Point 1: My ship is only grade 2 engineered and gets 39ly currently which already brings the potential number of jumps to 333. (It's also a diamondback explorer btw which isn't the best in the game) so yes you're right, if you buy a stock ship and try to explore it might be miserable. Point 2: If you have played any game for a significant amount of months or years, you know that 25 hours is a small fraction of your total game-time. Some people do, but not many people play games 8 hours a day like it's their job and nonetheless plenty of people have visited the center of the galaxy. Point 3: I honestly don't think burnt out is the word when really you've given up your goal all while knowing how long it will take with your current ship. Also not using any specific swirly stars to help you along would be pretty lame considering how far you are going for the sake of exploration. Maybe your issue is that you got burnt out from ED before being able to engineer an anaconda and visit the center of the galaxy. Either way I would agree that ED needs more content, regardless of the exploration gameplay value it has to me personally. Long story short, an anaconda with a jump range of 50ly (which is not max) traveling 13,000ly would take ~11 hours.

@@hereslookingatyoukid Well exploring doesnt necessarily mean jumping as much as you can, cause you could skip unexplored systems. And the numbers I put down werent just theoretical examples, they were my experiences when I actually had to make the trip, and yes I used alot of swirly stars. I was transporting tourists to 3 different destinations, and the final distance ended up being 13K ly, and it was with a Python, I dont remember if at that point it was engineered or not cause this was like 8 months ago, but I do know it was heavy cause of all the armor, weapons, etc. It wasnt stripped for the biggest possible jump ranges, I just tried to get to my destinations and explore while at it. It is engineered now, and so is my Anaconda. Shortly, I guess the most sense for exploration would be to get to an "unexplored" area of the galaxy as fast as possible, once there visit all the "nearby" stars that potentially have habitable planets.

@@DesertStateNevada I agree.. I would be lying if I said I wasn't glad that I can fit a planetary vehicle bay into my conda and still have decent jump range. Also.. mining ftw ;)

Bullshit. There is nothing to explore in Elite. The term exploration is just a marketing hoax made up by Braben's minions who produce shitty ad videos to pull in new buyers. The galaxy is completely empty. There is absolutely nothing but coloured spheres in it. You can watch different colours till the day you die, but you won't find anything to interact with. It is all scenery. Extremely dull scenery. Just like driving on the moon gets dull rather quickly. Having billions of alternative empty moons doesn't add anything to the experience.

Ever since ED really buffed mining it became closer to a game. You grind for maybe 12 hours of painite mining and you're set for the coming months if not years in terms of credits

@@cmdrgarbage1895 12 hours of mining could get me a single battleship in eve, if I don't get destroyed that is.

I honestly have more fun playing Eve than Elite despite both being some of my favorite games. I never really felt like Eve is a chore. I made billions doing null sec ratting in a ship that only cost a 10th of that. Sure, Elite has improved mining now, but for the longest time they didn't. I love both games equally. I miss playing Eve though. Might get back into it when I get a new PC. For now I'm just playing Elite and No Man's Sky on console lol.

@@Neek0tine If you mine in null sec with a mining freighter and don't get gate camped and blaped which is much easier said then done

No Man's Sky has the most chill community of any game, especially when compared to EVE

Exactly what i was thinking when he said they were the biggest mmo's out there. No Man's Sky is bigger than both games combined.

o7

And tell me in square kilometer if you take all the systems in EVE which is bigger i can tell you but don't think your going to thing i'm right but you can look it up in sear scale EVE is much bigger then Elite Dangerous

How'd it go?

you still playing?

He's probably still playing Elite. I've put so many hours in that game without realizing it.

Played Eve for a Month now. Have to say its great but i think Elite is more the game i like to play🧐

I love to fly to the Maia system. I choose my Krait with the wide cockpit view and enjoy the black whole, or space living organism

It's chill until your voice assitant tells you your canopy broke for no god damn reason

o7 originated in EVE. :P

Eve is free to play

You do know that was a mistake a drunk goon made and turned into the official greeting in most of EVE

o7 I play Eve Echoes currently.. gonna move to Elite Dangerous soon.

CCP games released a couple of 1st person gameplay trailers a few years ago that was just that. You could fly in cockpit view directly controlling the ship and using weapons. It was around the time Dust514 launched. It just never caught on unfortunately.

If you also include the Program Voice Attack, you can link it up with voice commands and you're also able to buy HCSVoicepacks which add a sort of Alexa, Siri thing that works with Voice attack. I've yet to find a game which can equal on that level of immersion.

i couldnt figure out how to get the commands set up, it can do like 3 things for me lol

Well to be honest I really only use a couple of commands as well. And I probably spent maybe just less than an hour mapping out the commands to each button, it helps if you have the keyboard keys set as your second and running those through VoiceAttack, instead of the controls on the HOTAS or Joystick

Try to use a gamepad like console Players. This works also very great. Im one and I can fly "blind"

You have no clue, this game is much more then this! :)

Mastering 3d space en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_(1995_video_game)

Knowing how 'real' flights are in Elite, no surprise if something will crush again

You're* ...Yep! I'm gonna be THAT guy!

NASA doesn't hire people who don't know the difference between your and you're. Yep, I'm that guy, too.

NASA can't spell

That's really sad given the very high percentage of griefing

@@Joshukend how's griefing bad?

@@Joshukend exactly, it's realistic.

@@Joshukend scamming is also totally allowed and that also makes it realistic, noone holds your hands and keeps you from getting scammed irl.

School on the bbc micro computer. And the other good one on the the atari st cant remember its name ???

@@cutterbacon I owned it on the Commodore 64. You may have played it on the Atari 400 or the Atari 800.

@@Del-Canada Carrier command that was it :D

@@cutterbacon Oh yeah, with those hardcore vector graphics. That was an awesome game.

Agreed. It seems the development technology is there. I noticed the Xbox version of ED did not have VR support or sharable player data between Xbox/PC/Cloud/Browser. I did some surfing and it looks like the technical issues of integration are routine work. The business folk are resisting unification.

I'll be dead of old age before SC does anything meaningful.

ED needs mining, manufacturing, and commodities. Basically they need a whole resource/engineering matrix aspect, like Minecraft has.

@Urayis wish l That sounds like an issue with you being old and not the game. Landing is the easiest thing in the game 🤷‍♂️

Lol there is auto landing and auto take off

@Urayis wish l the future is now old man

@Urayis wish l Bruh

@Urayis wish l ight then

They're being compared because until recently with Star Citizen, they were the only two games of its class. SC should literally be a bridge between the two if it's done right compiling the best stuff from both games. They already fixed the problem of me not being able to walk around my damn Anaconda.

Nice line

Orbital velocity? You should try Kerbal Space Program :)

10 year +/- vet. Took a break maybe 4-5 years. EvE now really focus' too much on sugar frosting. Players bored? Add more sugar frosting. I played 1.0 and except for some tweaks it's fine in that mode. PI 1.0 was fine. WH is fine. Scanning is fine. Small rigs are fine. For my money they are going after the wrong audience. The audience that gets bored easily. And the game IS hard on machines, you need some computer power. It does take some hand holding to get people started.

Thing is Eve Online had just as much tension between the devs and the players during their own Arx fiasco like a decade ago when they charged like $45 for cosmetics for your in game avatars. There was a full on in game riot in Eve before it got better. Elite is just getting to that point.

@@d.h.k.c8113 true, but at least CCP listened. I love Elite, but sometimes it feels like the Developers aren't doing much. I will admit though, Elite is run by a smaller team, but that doesn't excuse not keeping your fans up to date with development.

EVE transitioned to a free to play model a while back. There's a few things that are premium level only, but I haven't paid a dime.

Well for as long as I am around you could play eve for free if you knew your stuff...

l check out ghost giraffes channel for a good idea of what's cool about elite.

@@MehrumesDagon yeah,play free and you die in 2 s with the lame ships they give in free mode. Eve is pay to win. Do you wont to win? Pay the f money!

@Astuteous Maximus Eve is a great game but I don't want a second job

I guess Triglavians are human.

It does,... yes,... It does appear that Triglavians are indeed,... Humans (Lost Humans [Aliens]; But still Human nonetheless). kotaku.com/eve-onlines-latest-expansion-brings-an-alien-invasion-1835096946 Alien forces have invaded EVE Online, and players across the galaxy are banding together to resist them. In the latest free expansion to EVE, a lost race of humans known as Triglavians have breached the walls of reality and are pouring out of the Abyss. Triglavian forces are currently laying siege to three different areas in the galaxy, and this is only the beginning. GOD First!!! GOD Bless!!! Love All!!!

Me as Elite Player says thanks. Because save flying is more important in Elite than in any other Game in this Genre. One mistake and you Crash down to the Planet surface