Eve Vanguard Footage! Reaction from a Dust 514 Veteran 

I will miss vehicles, but there is always a chance we could see them later in development. As for development. I can totally understand your feelings, but I personally am optimistic. Legion was killed in it's crib, and Nova didn't have this level of development. What we're seeing here looks like something much closer to a finished product, and CCP gave so much time to it at fanfest I think they would be a lot more hesitant to back out this time, I'm seeing a much more firm sense of commitment this time around. I personally have nothing but good feelings about CCP Rattati's involvement, I'm not sure how much time he spent at the London Studio, but out of all the CCP staff he probably has one of the highest level of knowledge about Dust 514 and its community, his involvement can only be a good thing, and he really seemed to be going out of his way to reach out to us. And also a reminder we have that entirely new studio in London has been on this for awhile, and CCP Shortfall and Dennie Fleetfoot have both fielded questions about the game.

Personally vehicle combat added an aspect of the game that was very different at the time but now I think only the dropships would be anything worth missing. Tanks and the land vehicles were toxic and massively over done in recent times. Iirc there were a lot of features that were cut out from the earlier implementations. For instance I remember a med vehicle healing 5 nearby units walking along side it as it was being driven idr if it had weapons but it was a mobile med base. Towards the end of the game though most varieties of vehicle only had slight spec differences and not many individual special features. I waited on Nova for years even going so far as making an EVE account. I don't particularly like space exploration but I still log in from time to time to level up skills just in case I can orbital strike like the good ole days 😢

Maybe I'm just huffing Hopium, but as we can see from other mmo games with bigger environments like Fortnite, vehicles can be added later. They said they would develop the game together with the community from December onward. So who knows. You can't write it off (yet).

So no big war battles with troops and vehicle’s. Lame asf no predecessor. it is its own thing, dust 514 was a gem that only few will get to play an that will remain true since there never goin back to that at all it. Their going in a new eve direction 😔

I'm just back from Fanfest I defiantly got the impression that CCP plan to take it slow at first. They have experience from getting burnt before so they are going to make sure they get every thing right and release when they are happy with a particular aspect of the game. Don't expect to much in December, but it will be a base that CCP will build on so that we get the game we all want from a FPS based in the EVE universe. Star Citizen is probably watching this pretty closely to tbh

It's not an extraction shooter. It's a sandbox shooter. There is an extraction activity, and it was what was shown in the demo; however, that's far from the only activity planned for the game. The idea is that there will be a plethora of contracts and tasks you can do while you're on the planet and whether you die or not at the end of your session doesn't dictate the success of your mission. There are no server wipes. As for vehicles, they've said they're open to the idea of vehicles later down the line if the game is successful and enough players want it. They want to have a solid infantry experience before they add vehicle mechanics and such. The game is in its very early stages so there's still a lot of time for things to change.

@@TyndareusAurelius Don't take this the wrong way but this sounds like a lot of cope. You're put into a map and can do random objectives, like DMZ. The map is persistent and lets people come and go and stay how long they want, like The Cycle Frontier. You lose gear on death, like every extraction shooter. If it looks like a duck, moves like a duck, and sounds like a duck then odds are it's a duck. The devs constantly saying "I swear guys it's not an extraction shooter" doesn't give a lot of confidence. If they wanted to avoid the comparison they should have picked a mission that doesn't ape extracting loot like the Dark Zone from The Division. Hunting a named enemy, getting a scan from the body and tossing the scan in a dead drop or going to a terminal somewhere to upload it would have been a better choice. Planting some beacons around crashed wreckage, locating and tagging scattered weapon crates, literally anything but an extraction mission. No vehicles means any tankers or pilots are instantly being shown the door. Respawning is a neat mechanic. I wouldn't expect seasonal wipes but depending on the stat differences between gear and if we see a Dust style militia, standard, advanced, proto scaling it could easily end up with new players getting stomped by early adopters which will drive players out real fast. If the goal was to make a game for "EVE curious" people this is a flop. Large scale conflicts allow for a lot of different players to experiment and find their role, the fights are large and bombastic and exciting. Crouch walking around waiting for MonkeySpanker420 to jump out and hipfire you into the dirt isn't appealing to a lot of people, which is why extraction shooters have a smaller market share than large or small scale FPS games. This should have been an extra piece to Dust, an extra mode for those who want small team tactical combat instead of just trying to appeal to those people.

@@archangelkatano most of your statements are pretty presumptuous considering all we've been shown is a scripted pre-alpha gameplay sequence. Should they have shown the extraction gamemode if they had more interesting activities to offer? Probably not, but we don't even know how far they are when it comes to what objectives and mechanics are actually physically present in the game right now. The same thing happened with Nova where everyone came to a lot of conclusions about a super early build of the game as if it was anywhere near a final release. Some people didn't even realize Nova had a PVP mode because all they saw was the PVE footage posted on RU-vid. We're years away from the final launch of this product. I don't know what's wrong with losing gear on death because that's exactly what Dust did and generally it's in the spirit of EVE Online. We don't even know what the impact of death is other than your objective being looted like what was shown in the demo. No vehicles may turn some people away, but they never said never to implementing them in the future. It's preferable they nail the infantry and gunplay experience before convoluting it with vehicles that have broken balance and poor mechanics like Dust. I get why people want Dust 514 2... er Dust 515? I loved that game as much as the next merc, but there are undeniably quite a few reasons why Dust failed that CCP is not looking to replicate. It makes sense for them to take the idea of an EVE Online FPS in a different direction. Am I saying it's going to be successful because of this? Not at all, but I ain't saying it's tarkov in space either. Because it's not launching anytime soon. We literally don't have info other than a 40 minute Q&A panel and a pre-alpha demo. We can't really extrapolate that into a definitive answer as to how the product will be one or two years from now.

Sver True Blood 4 Life.

DaNizzle from Pradox One, long time no see mate~

Danizzle holy cow it's been a minute, also been playing EVE, looking forward to seeing you on Vanguard in December.

Damn it's been a minute I miss everyone I just hope it can stay together this time around I need my Min Scout and knives back. o7

kai el here cant wait to get my logi out there again

Here ya go bro. Where all the OG dust vets reside for this game :))

@@chili_dog9626 miss you bro

I remember you! I think I’ve seen you on the battlefield several times! Fun times indeed. I was Michael Arck and was all about Caldari o7

Ayo rookie, it’s avon bro- they don’t care about us bro:( lesgo back to the mcc

@@mata9312 hahaha true that buddy. I'm on my way.

@@spazzdineveryway how's it been going buddy?

@@joshuavillarreal1 Good! This ol merc settled down and started a family. Total switch from Dust days! How are you? Hope all is well! o7

so far the only confirmed returning guns are the GEK, the Scrambler rifle, and the Kakliota They are coming out with new rifles as well, so there will likely be a wait before we see just how many weapons from Dust are returning

Flaylock and Massdriver would be great to see, not to mention the Nova Knives.

It's not just you. Dust 514 just needed to be completed and updated to modern F2P standards. This Vanguard game should have just been an mode for Dust instead of being the main thing. It could have been the PvE element. Plus since it won't have vehicles at launch it's going to instantly push out all the old pilots and tankers.

For real Dust 514 just needed more work on it, more polishing!

I love to hear it!

Ready for some FW bro? XD

So no big war battles with troops and vehicle’s. Lame asf no predecessor. it is its own thing, dust 514 was a gem that only few will get to play an that will remain true since there never goin back to that at all it. Their going in a new eve direction 😔

@@Agent_BIack that can always be intergrated ,dust 514 was not the same game before it ended they're not gonna give all the goodys right off the bat

keep in mind this is just how the game will be on launch. if it does well it could be expanded like other games have been in the past.

@@HeraclesPorsche Considering what happened to Dust "it could be" does not inspire me with confidence.

@@DoctorEviloply fr "could be" means nothing to me. I also miss combined arms and static matches. I want a dom/td again

Dust 514 was extremely limited by PS3 and it's custom game engine... Being on UE5 and not locked to a console platform means it can thrive better on PC and scale up the gamemode. They intentionally chose a smaller scale with such a big engine to prototype and experiment, so I'm pretty sure they planned for content to easily integrate into it. They just need the proper talents and workforce for this, that isn't as nasty as we see it in the west here (I think CCP team is European).

@@dra6o0n You clearly haven't been paying attention to CCP if you think they aren't as nasty as other western companies when it comes to monetization. You're also making several dangerous assumptions. That the game is good, that it will be profitable and that CCP will have incentive to expand upon the game. Playing one game expecting a different and better game to come later never goes well. As we saw with Everquest Landmark, and recently with Starsiege: Deadzone. Even Dust had a lot of potential and promises that were never met. Do not expect anything but what you are given. Judge that for what it is.

That thrum of the inertial damper going off was definitely an iconic part of Dust 514, and the fact that we could also do it from tall buildings made for some unique gameplay mechanics. Eve Vanguard's success will depend on having at least a few elements that make it stick out from other shooters, so this is definitely a helpful element to point to.

try to keep in mind this is just the game at launch, what they want to do first is start things anew so they can have stable high quality graphics and a good eve/fps connection. once they have this dimension established the game can evolve.

Just saw someone liked this. I can report that I built a PC, now CCP just has to not cancel this one

there are still some details to be released, but it doesn't look like the classes will come back in the quite the same way they were back in Dust 514

25 now, time flies, but we made it. Here's to all our lost comrades over this timespan o7

see you on the battlefield!

It is!!!! Video hopefully up in not too long.

Same. Very much. Same. This is such a disappointment. But in honesty, it's quite thematic with the EVE universe.

It's just a beginning. More game modes may be included later.

They haven't even said that...@@charles-andrecomeau3754

I suppose you could consider many of main EVE's mechanics as extraction shooter-y like exploration or other indy exploits, though I am hoping to see FW team battles as well or gamemodes that aren't linked to an inventory or progression but are just for fun and to get accustomed with the mechanics.

But the point was (and why people loved DUST 514) was that it WASNT EVE. It wasn't so nailbitingly intense as a 3 player team against 3 other teams of 3 AND the PvE.... I dont wanna play Gank and Spank the first person shooter. If I wanna do that I'll play EVE.@@cdgonepotatoes4219

I never played Tarkov but from the gameplay I've seen it's more of a looting to get gear and extract type game isn't it? Is there any insensitive to staying longer or any objectives to complete. The fun thing about Dust was the planetary defense and offense deployments just surviving till you extract wouldn't fit with the old feel. Iirc if you survived you were randomly given loot from winning but I don't remember

The thing about Dust 514 and Vanguard is that they are not meant to be fast paced shooters, they could have elements that speeds it up, but the main aspect of these games is survival, not winning for score or points. Apex is a extraction battle royale type of shooter too with simpler gamemode designs... The battles will be like Titanfall 2 but much slower pace.

it's supposed to be linked to the eve online universe from day 1. they haven't shown any vehicles in game yet.

Work in progress....it's not even pre alpha alpha...lol..but the core foundation is there for the game to evolve

that would certainly be interesting! the tagline for this game is "your next shot could topple an empire" so that would certainly be a place to start.

Dust 514 tried to do that in the beginning of the beta of it but that never went far. I don't even remember ever deploying the instillations they had in the game.

It's going to be planetary conquest 10.0 basically....never ending war...it was explained in day 2.....it's very well thought out...let's see how it translates into real life...

@@allanj917 I watched a video afterwards saying that the missions are the aftermath of starship fights that happened in EVE

They could integrate casual modes into Vanguard's FPS mode, like exploring and walking around a city and dealing with crimes.

La mayoría va ser planetario conquistar....pero en una manera que afecta los pilotos de EvE Online...

hey i've been trying to put together what i want to say about vanguard. thanks for checking in.

lol doomer nostalgic gamer, i can relate.

@@HeraclesPorsche Holy crap, thanks for the subscription! Love your content. Yep I loved DUST like crazy lol

we don't know yet but fanfest is just getting started, likely this will be a question pitched by dennie fleetfoot

PC is confirmed

KEQ!? Hey that's a MAG clan!!

it looks like it will be Windows at launch, development plans for other systems, but there's not way to get a timeline on this