@@geezberry8889 I could barely afford a Boss pedal . I’ve got the H3000 Factory plugin now and the tricerachorus Got them in a sale for literally a steal & the presets are awesome
I think a big reason a lot of the older processors sound much better is, in those days DSP was limited, so they routed all the dry signal through analog paths instead of today most processors digitize everything including the dry signal, and it is definitely noticeable especially with high gain. Today it actually costs more to have a pure analog dry path because most companies simply digital everything through the processor.
A very important point indeed. This is why the dry signal through many of today's digital effect processors gets impoverished, pushed into artificial resonance.
The old units converted to digital. But I think quality for dollar was better back then. Thanks to steady inflation. Our dollars is worth less and less. 1000 dollars today was like 200 back then. So if you spend 3 thousand back then. It would be closer to spending 10k today.
On Amsterdam the eclipse sounded like chorus. Maybe other commenters have already pointed this out, but there is an H9 app to connect via Bluetooth. Love what you do sir. Excellent work!
Thanks for this video. I am a newly converted Eventide fan. I bought a H9 Max around Christmas. I got the plugins for free with it and that's a lot of fun to play around in the DAW. The H9 did a lot of great things: It filled the Blackhole shaped hole in my rig and gave me a lot of strange sounds for all kinds of purposes. Right now I am building a drawer with my essentials (Boss DD-500, Torpedo CAB, NUX Monterey Vibe - cheap but sounds awesome to me - and of course the H9) which gives me all the things I need to jam and fool around with my guitar sounds, including acoustic guitars.
Excellent video! This was exactly the comparison I have been waiting for. For Eventide's next successor to the H9, I would like to see a more fully featured user interface. I agree having to break out the Ipad can get a little clunky when you just want to tweak something on the fly.
Michael, This video is incredible. I have an H90 on order but was thinking of going for a H800 , Orville or similar. Reminder that ease of use and practicality are crucial when things are close.
The Eclipse at 3:44 sounds great too. Always had one in mind after I sold a H-3000 SE years ago which I regret to this day. BTW, Always love your videos, sound & playing is Spot On.
Today H9 max is unbeatable.. But if u are working in a +4db professional audio standard, that means u most often use hard wired to patch bay and/or balanced XLR type connection which can run +4db the unbalanced 1/4 connectors on all guitar 1/4 devices is -10 db..so yes H9 sounds very close and u can adjust higher than +4. However, some studios need the 3000 for the +4 connection which matches all their other +4 machines. It's about signal to noise ratio
The H9 blows me away and I love being able to tweak patches with a mobile device, iPad or PC and GUI. In fact as you mentioned, just a little tweak of some parameter and you can get the H9 to sound anyway you want. I’m a electronics engineer and the one thing I hated about all rack MultiFX units was the mounds of menus to sort through. Sometimes just to make the simplest changes. I love my H9 Max. I’ll admit a second one would be perfect and make it the biggest bang for the buck of the 21st century so far. P.S. I’ll point out that I’m not innocent of the older gear love. I have a real hardware maxed out with memory TC Electronics 2290 Delay that I will never part with. Edit: One other thing I see some people forgetting is the H9 is made for guitar and is amazing plugged directly into it and into an amp and/or FX loop. The impedance matching is perfect. I haven’t ever tried it in the loop of a DAW or mixing console. Something tells me there would be some differences between the rack stuff especially the H3000 and the H9 and maybe not actually get an “apples to apples” comparison. Just a thought.
Hi there!! Firts I really love the tones you achieve man, and of course the way you play. About the devices, H9 is amazing for the price but I don´t know why the 3000 has something better to my wooden ears that beats the others. Fantastic video as always
Nice comparison! Have considered the H9 (and now the H90) but I still have an H3000/SE that I bought back when it was released so it's fine for me in the studio. I can augment that with a few pedals if I need or a couple of other rack-mounts (Roland Dimension D / Bricasti Reverb / Lexicons etc.) . . . that said the H9/ H90 seem to be getting great reviews all over the place - I liked the clarity and slight edge it had in presence on a couple of your setting and would certainly consider for live use! 😀
Very interesting comparison! Thanks a lot. To my ears the H3000 sounds so much better (much more than I expected). Funnily I prefer the H9 to the eclipse. Next surprise... 👍
For Amsterdam, the eclipse sounded like it had a little bit more slap back delay in the setting. I’m sure it’s the same settings just seemed pre delay was set higher.
Finally someone , match the classic h3000 with the H9’series , thanks Michael . Both Eventide rock but now we can get , eventide power in the pocket with the H9
The H3000 has an analog crunchyness to it that‘s really cool and that the H9 has not. The algorithms may be comparable, but the H3000 totally has it‘s place.
I owned a DSP4000b+ which I found super complex. During lockdowns I bought 2 H9s both are Max because one was, plus a time factor. The ipad interface hooked up by bluetooth and USB (to timefactor) is what actually makes them great!. So easy to keep an iPad nearby on the desk or on a stand nearby. Can't beat that for instant tweaks seriously :).
Awesome video. I have 2 H9‘s and I like that I could add additional CORE units if I choose to, since one is MAXed. These are idea generators, it’s hard not to write a new riff as you scroll through presets. Sometimes it feels like eventides official demos are not musical or that they are just repackaging their work from decades ago, but I love how they packaged this. If you want another algorithm bust out a 20, if you don’t want to buy it, then just don’t buy it! Well played marketing to repackage their preexisting offerings.
Great Episode. Well. Guess you just pushed the price of the H3000 through the roof. Outstanding playing and sounding. H9 is really cool and the eclipse falls behind in my opinion. Your playing is so tight. Love it Brother
Don't sleep on the 'PitchFactor' pedal either...I love mine for that stereo pitch detune thing. Know what else does that really well too?... the Keeley 30ms pedal. Hey Michael, what year is your gold es335? I really like that guitar!
great comparison vid , just curious how much do you feel/think the differences are down to converters/bit depth or more the algorithms at play ? given the units are from 3 different decades
I remember reading in the liner notes of Petra albums “Album mixed using the Eventide H3000 Pakaderm custom”. Not sure what was custom about it but I always wanted one.
It's crazy how good the H9 sounds. I feel like I'm underusing it. I definitely need to start trying out that micropitch delay. Pete Thorn and Tim Peirce interviewed a guy on their old guitar show years ago. He showed off the micropitch as a longer delay, and that sound always blew me away. I haven't been able to replicate it though.
I had an H3000 back in 2000-01. I had an H9 Max in 2016-17. The same 3 patches I used in the H3000 (EVH pitch/chorus, Trevor Rabin/Steve Vai 5th harmonizer and Andy Summers chorus) I could get in the H9 Max with less trouble and more portability. I don’t have either anymore but I would get another H9 Max before I’d get an H3000 due to ease of use and portability. The H3000 was definitely a head-turner, though.
Hi Michael! Have you tried the Micropitch pedal - I'm tempted, for the 5150 vibe, and a bit of Zakks NRFTW-chunk....cannot really justify the cost of an H9 for that sound alone. Cheers!
Really good question I have, maybe you could answer it. i have an Eventide H3000 se that i run through a W/D/W rig. it goes through an rjm mixer and into a solid state power amp and into 2 cabs stereo. i notice that when im in the micropitch preset, it doesnt sound as flangy or waver alot like it does here on your vid. Is that because you are running the H3K direct that ya get that flangy, wavering effect? does the H3K just sound better direct then through 2 wet guitar 4x12s? just need to knkw so i can put this to rest. i basically have the EVH balance rig and i cant get my eventide to sound like this vid here. Thanks
Eventide effects presets are really wet and usually too much for my liking. But once you dial the mix down to 20 to 30% or so, they sound fantastic! I think the H9 has some good presets. But I don't like the iPhone/iPad interface. The H9 omission of true analog bypass is a big issue. Having said that, I love Eventide!
i get your point with the iphone. but: if you have an ipad on a k&m stand in front of you, it is as convenient as it gets. i love the h9 since i bought it shortly after it was available and it is my most used effects unit, ever! the large screen makes it much more comfortable to dig into the effects and understand what you’re doing.
I loves me some H3000... and some Eclipse....and the h9. Yep I dig all 3, for different applications, and situations. Really I just dig the company’s algorithms.
@@infinitybrian I also heard a bit of less treble on the h3000 factory, but could be corrected maybe with eq and compression. Can the h3000 factory stands against today plugins? (fab filter, sound toys, whatever fashionable these days)
it's an almost 9 years old hardware (or did they upgrade over years?), so how it does compare with modern multi FX like HX ones? Maybe a new versions is coming, considering how many pedals have been issued recently by eventide
Great video! Compared to the Eclipse the H9 has less 3D feeling. Especially the Blackhole preset shows that very much. Nevertheless the H9 does a great job for the money.
Thanks for another excellent video. EvenMidi made a good physical controller for the H9 and they are about to release a new H9 controller that is even better. YT prevents me from posting a link but you'll find it by searching for EvenMidi.
I just got an H90, but I am ok with it. Some stuff is good. But that Eclipse sounds amazing. I liked the Eclipse better than all. I will get and Eclipse and a Lexicon PCM96 someday
Nice ! i am in the same boat with h8000... still have it but don't use all those functions and power.. and i heard older units like h3000 or dsp 4000 ,which is amazing because of the large screen, sound better in a mix. but im affraid about if something breaks in those old units ! are they still repairable ? im not sure..or it will cost a fortune and take long time.. so will an eclipse sound as good ? i don't think so... their plugins don't sound as good as their hardware also.. and i heard you can't combine different algorythms in the h9....so it's difficult to decide really !
The app is both great and a pain in the ass. I have 3xH9’s so I often just have my iPad open when I’m using them and it’s much better than the phone. I wish I could use the Mac app on my computer without a cable.
What was your mix level especially for the Micropitchshift? The eclipse sounded killer for Amsterdam!! I own both the H9 max for the earlier 910/949 and the Eclipse for the Micropitchshift.
Where I live, the Eclipse is $2000-3000, which isn't much of a discount (if any) on an H3000. I thought that some of the delays sounded a little better than the Eclipse (especially on Angelic Voices), but the H9 was pretty good and the Eclipse definitely wasn't 3-4x better. I'm very happy with my H9.
i've the feeling that h9 sound is a little bit less good than the old eventide unit i can mistake.... why haven't you tested the harmonizer which are a big part of eventide products??
Not related to this excellent video, but I'd love to see you snag an old Eleven Rack and run it through it's paces, I feel like it remains one of the more underrated processors on the market today. (at least if you go by resale value heh)
So you are going guitar - ps100 (silent/line out) - interface - wall of sound to record? Then post you are sending a mono track out to the H9 and returning in stereo? Then bouncing that out for the audio? If we were to do this live would a wet/dry be the same? Or are you processing both Left and Right? Or is one side dry?
Thank you I have been looking for a good comparison between these units. Wish I still had my eclipse. Please don't flame me...but why not compare with Axe Fx 3? The effects are amazingly good.
Eclipse was much thinner than H3000 or H9, surprised to hear that big of a difference. Although H9 was specifically H3000 preset, I suppose Eclipse was just evolution. In general it feels like H3000 is just that much fatter in every aspect. In a pleasant way. Maybe it preserves more of the dry sound in the front. And less top end. H9 is in some way more refined and perhaps more cooperative with other stuff? But H3000 is just neck and head above them even if it's a small thing. It's a thing that matters. The others are very nice effects, but H3000 has magic. To me that is, I liked what it did. I wonder if in the review you talk about when you played or watching the video? It feels like a lot of the time on youtube playthroughs the youtube video has more difference than the maker of the video perceived. It kinda bothers me because to me there's a noticeable difference, sometimes critical where I really lean towards one of them like in here towards the 3000, and it makes me wonder when the maker of the video says "pretty much identical", if what I hear is an illusion.
How the eventide H3000 factory stands against the studio plugins today? since the plugin version simplifies and makes the H3000 more flexible, is it nostalgia or worth having for mixing and mastering? (against soundtoys, fabfilter, tc plugins)
Sincere question: is it pronounced "Evan tide" or "Eee ven tide"? I have always said it as "even" tide (as in opposite of "odd"). However it is pronounced, the H3000 sounds great.
I liked the eclipse best.....for my needs and budget, I don’t think I’d pay the extra for the 3000.....I think the H9 would work great....all were killer
I really don’t know what to do or say when a piece of digital gear from 86 allegedly outperforms everything released today, you’d think even last gen multi effects could do everything and then some that the h3000 did
