@@noynayru seems like the strings may affect the pins when it falls and may not hit other pins when it should. that would be unnatural in a bowling game...
@@Fate826yes they are many places all over the world are doing for league as well as open bowling, for example Wichita state has implemented string pin lanes to there bowling area (Wichita state has a very good bowling program)
@@Coastal_Cruzer if it were extremely thin, like the one you use for sewing, and had 2 meters of it, the pin action will be close to perfect because the string can't pull or resist to any movement
Good luck with working on your car the engineers have decided that you don't deserve to work on your own vehicle so they design things that you can't actually get into to fix without completely disassembling the whole entire vehicle
Most bowling lanes don’t use strings, but they use a complicated mechanism of conveyors and machines to put them back (that’s why there’s a sweeper arm that pushes the pins off the back edge
@@llamasmart698 nah. The strings are there because its a much less complicated mechanism. The normal mechanism has to raise the pins above the setter and then distribute them to the ten holes in the setter. Its a lot of finicky gears and whatnot. This they just have to wind the string up and all the pins are in the right place. The nost complicated thing here is figuring out what pins to put back for the second throw.
I like the older ones. Where there was always a 15% chance of a pin getting stuck in the ball return mechanism and spinning in place until an employee reset it. Sort of fun to watch
Good for them. This abomination can’t save Bowling Centers if managers only wanted money in their pockets for themselves instead of paying the mechanics
Correlation is not causation, if a bowling place is already going out of business and can’t afford a mechanic to fix actual pin setters then they’re going to get strings.
@@SeafowlAnyone who truly cares about bowling absolutely despises string pins, once a place changes to strings the only customers they will get is the open bowlers, leagues will crumble, alcohol sales will drop because leagues crumble with them, and eventually the bowling alleys will fail because they betrayed the ones who truly care.
@@bigred5838 If they want to ruin the game and kill their leagues this is one sure fire way to do it. My league of 28 teams have all said if your center goes to this, we'll find another center to bowl at. That's a lot of lost $$$ when you have 5 man teams for 36 weeks.
I worked in the back of a bowling alley when I was in my early 20s and it wasn't like this at all. It had belts and pulleys and all sorts of stuff that constantly broke on me. I loved it.
I love the pin resetters without strings. Normally the lanes are much better too, but only because people actually use the stringless ones for league stuff
I remember going on the Norwegian cruise line and they had the same exact thing but every time when we hit the pins the strings would keep getting tangled so then we had to get one of the staff over to go fix it. This happened 99% of the time when we were bowling and it sucked.
I worked in the bowling industry for years and had never seen this. Im sure its a fraction of the price of even old brunswick a-2s(a common rebuilt pinsetter) but the pin action on these is a travesty. This is a bar novelty lane at best imo.
@🏳️🌈⃠ Eren that’s what happens when you got people who don’t know what they’re talking about. Also how’s your boyfriend doing? Asking bc your name, straghtie
@@cococows no duckpin is different, these are regular pins. Some places are switching to them because getting parts for the machines is difficult and expensive. This is still garbage and I dont wanna bowl on it
My grandpa used to claim (probably just bullshitting us cause that was kinda his thing). But he used to claim that he'd occasionally get a note rolled up in the finger hole of his bowling ball from the pinsetter in the back that said "Please stop throwing the ball so damn hard" or something to that effect. Now he was a big dude. Starting center on what's today a D1 college football team. So theoretically it's possible.. But anything my grandpa said had to be taken with a grain of salt. 😂
I use to work at a place called punch bowl social that had these kind of pins installed….it was an absolute pain to get them untangled and they allllways got tangled! 😂 Don’t miss that at all!!
I’ve volunteered at an old bowling alley. I had to manually reset the pins and send the ball back. There was a machine that would set them down in the right spot
@@aaronisross And that's a good thing? If so, I'm not paying anything more than 3 bucks to go to a bowling alley that "employs" these machines. And even then, it's not like these machines are full proof either. They will need a mechanic eventually. Something always happens, that fucks up the software, that then fucks up the hardware, or vise versa, that then makes the lane unusable, that the guy who owns the lanes can't fix.
I resurfaced lanes back in the early 2000s and never seen any string setters back then everyone complained about synthetic lanes and replacing the deck under the pin setter was always "fun" when someone was bowling in the next lane
The bowling ally near me changed to strings a year or so ago. It never felt the same afterwards. Something about no string feels better like the difference between a rusty and new bike. Edit. The feeling is kinda like playing a janky game or seeing slightly off cgi. You KNOW there's something off about the way the pins roll or get hit but you can't describe it
@@psycohagfury9949 unless on Free Fall where you can invert the curtain on a Brunswick A2 or sag and angle the curtain on an AMF Pinspotter. I got a Strike by only hitting the 10 pin one time and I shocked by that, this on an AMF 82-90XL Free Fall Pinspotter by the way. On the Brunswick GS-Series Pinsetter, you cannot do that with the pit curtain and pit cushion are seperated from each other.
@Franx yt if you have just the back two corner pins, you want to launch one across the lane to knock down the other, I bet that's near impossible with those strings
It’s called a 7-10 split but the strings won’t allow it to be possible there’s no pin action and the strong pulls on the pins wear they don’t act naturally
@@EvanJcincy09 yes they are. I work at a bowling alley and my boss is trying to get string pin machines because of how cheaper and more efficient they are. They also use string pins in some usbc and pba official tournaments.
Most pin machines are this string setup is a cheap alternative that take most of the integrity from the game to me. No legitimate league would bowl there.
There sometimes are, and used to be the only way. This video is not how it is either though lol. There is an entire mechanism that sorts them, then sets them in place. This string method is either fake or some kind of novelty machine.
It isn't that it's "pure" it's that pins move differently if they are on strings. It adds friction between the string and the holder as well as other strings, changes center of mass. It's a different game.
We all absolutely despise this trash, it's an absolute disgrace, the pin action is horrible and feels not authentic, string interference is a thing where a strong from a pin will wrap around another string and knock a pin over that wasn't hit, not to mention messengers are pretty much impossible on strings (if you don't know what messenger means its a when a pin goes flying across the deck to take out another pin) anyone who truly bowls hates this crap.
My arcade has the same system, its very difficult to play consistently because of the tension on the strings, unless you bowl really slow or really fast. If you bowl slowly, theres more time for the pins to gracefully knock into each other. If you roll fast, you hit the pins with enough force that the strings have little effect. It still sucks regardless.
As far as I can tell every bowling alley I've ever been to just uses a machine that comes down, picks up the upright pins, and then sweeps away the other pins
@@cthulhutheendless1587 not really. A 7 10 split is made possible by one of the pins flying into the other. You saw how little the pins moved after being hit. They may go down but they do not go as far as they would untethered.
@@bryanroberts7703 it removes all the fun watching 20 pins flowing through the pinsetter, pin action isn't authentic and there's no purpose of being a mechanic behind these when there's litte to no work. LAZY CASHGRAB
@@PinoyBowlerGS92The old kind are complicated and even dangerous as the setter will not stop for a finger. These are a safer and a more sustainable system in the long run.
@@irkkunen4933 You will not lose a single finger from Free Fall Pinsetters if you’re smart, qualified and know what you’re doing back there. In fact, I was 14 Years old clearing a Pin Jam on an AMF 82-90XL Pinspotter, it was a great experience and I didn’t get hurt after that. Here’s the video of that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q0EyOhYc20Q.html
@Mike Yiddy Here in the Philippines, finding a mechanic is a lot easier here where you got a fast growing population while corruption, unemployment and poverty still exists. I prefer getting a Brunswick GS-NXT than this crap, I want a win-win for both sides where Bowlers can still get the authentic pin action and mechanics can still work on them without feeling useless.
@Mike Yiddy Yeah, I want people to have jobs while their jobs aren't totally useless. Mechanics are Mechanics, not security guards so Free Fall Pinsetters is my go to for their roles, specifically the GS-NXT being the newest Free Fall Pinsetter. Also that's false, Synthetic Lanes doesn't take away Pin Action but I like them better than Wood because my Ball Reaction doesn't overhook and there's no such thing as closing half of the lanes just to resurface the Lanes.
I worked with a man who’s 90 years old, when he was 7 years old he worked at a bowling alley for four games per night. Reracking pins by hand. For 25¢ per game making $1.00 a night. He did that 5 nights a week and made $5.00. His father worked in some kind of factory and made the same. This was like 1940 in NJ. Holy shit to have seen things change the way Fred did. Must be terrifying yet amazing.
There used to be a community center where I lived in the 90's that had a super old machine that you had to have someone reset the pins by grabbing them in the back, tossing them into a hopper then they fed individually into slots and the whole moved up and down with a giant lever.
@@PweeBurntPizza yeah but that 5.00 dollars a day would pay rent and utilities and put food on the table back then. That's how you know pay hasn't come close to matching inflations.
I was once in a bowling alley that was so poor, players had to place the pins themselves with their hands. We had to count points on a notebook and also had to go after the ball after hitting it, since there was no transporting bands to help with that. Also we played with our shoes, we had no special footwear.
@@Laddered dude stfu comments are where people talk about the video they just watched thats exactly what this dudes doing what the fuck do you want him to do bruh
back then my father worked at a bowling alley in the 60's but obviously it wasn't advanced like this. To get the pins back up they would send the kids at the back and have them manually set-up, they were called pin boys and sometimes there would be jerks who would bowl even when there were kids still at the back, my father learned to be super agile then 👀
I would demand that the price of games be reduced dramatically. Wanna cut corners and be cheap with this ugly shvt? You should charge way less. Cant stand all of these greedy and cheap people starting businesses amh
I feel like the stringless ones are better because even though the strings are small they do affect the physics. the machines that reset the pins without strings are also much cooler to see behind the scenes
Yeah, those lines effect howbthe pins disperse and explode about the pit. This would never be sanctioned for serious tournament bowling. Hell, most casual bowling alleys would probably be l loathe to use this technology.
Can confirm. Is a single bowling alley near where I live in the UK, and it uses strings. Much prefer real ones over this. The best part is that these machines still fail to reset quite often.
Im pretty sure most casual biwling alleys would live this setup. Seems it would take less maintenance/upkeep. I imagine the strings could definitely effect gameplay for pros
@@bshinn4884 Yeah, I'd have to assume the this mechanism would have less potential problems than the plastic arm the swipes away the downed pins as the collector scoops the rest. If that is so, I guess you'd be right. Bit, that would have to be the case
It doesnt work taht way in finland. Here the machine picks up all the oins that didnt fall down, then when they are up there is an plate or smth that sweeps ALL the pins that did fall down into an back "room",(see waht i did there), and then it lowers the pins that reamined standing and it ligted them previously up
@@Yeen_Ko Yes it is. A real Bowling alley uses Free Fall Pinsetters with 20 Pins flowing and hardworking mechanics, not these lazy garbage mechanisms where security guards would sleep behind these all day
@@Yeen_Ko wdym its logical ? Also, safer my ass...have you even work on a car engine ? I was 14 Years old clearing out Pin Jams or Pin pile ups on an AMF 82-90XL Free Fall Pinspotter and I wasn't hurt at all. Here's a video of it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q0EyOhYc20Q.html
I work at a theme park with bowling lanes and i frequently walk behind the lanes to get across the building. Its low key a little scary when all the lanes are in use and you've got bowling balls slamming into something right next to you lol.
I worked in an arcade servicing these. Imagine being in the lane, under the pins to untangle them because some teenager was flexing, and you hear the ball rolling down the neighboring lane, feeling the subtle vibration of the floor and then BAM as it hits the back wall 10 feet from where you're sitting.
