Mike Tyson is also one of the greatest examples of counterpuncher. That style, peak-a-boo, is all about counterpunching by aggressively closing the gap while remaining elusive with great head movement and footwork
Yes you are right, but I think if you had to put in in one category only, then I think he would fit more in the swarmer category than in the counterpuncher category, what do you think?
Nicely said , I too think mike tyson is more of a swarmer because of his small height he utilized in fighting, but as always that's ny opinion😅😅@@SuperAFG47
@@SuperAFG47Ageee. He's the quintessential swarmer. He's just more successful than most...as you can't be a good swarmer without having good defence coming forward & counterpunching
I’d say Inoue is a complete fighter, crawford is fair to put there, but I’d also say that Hagler is a complete fighter too, he’d outbox you, bang with you, do whatever he had to do to win.
@@PartyCrasher04 thanks I just gave it a rewatch. Saw some super nice inside work in rounds 3/4. Mostly attacking on exit I’m tryna see how he hangs on the inside, like what we’d get from Hagler or Duran. And like how his brother fought last weekend
@@Nothing.T I saw it live bro. I remembered it as Tapales besting Inoue on the inside, esp to the body. And that Inoue’s gameplan was work @midrange like usual. Gonna rewatch it too 😂. I also think it may have been Inoue’s worst performance, or ~ his least dominant performance outside of Donaire 1.
I think everyone completely misrepresents foreman sadly. Yes his power was incredible, but he was by no means a non technical fighter. You don't get to be world champ without actual skill and thought.
You are right He was very skillful and he cant be conpared to the likes of deontay wilder. But I think there would be no better category where he would fit in. Even when you rewatch the fight with Joe Frazier, he is a technical genius. In which category would you put him in? Great comment
@SuperAFG47 in my opinion He was a mix of pressure and slugger he was able to effectively control the ring and almost never backed down. He also controlled and softened his opponents punches by framing. Slugger of course because of his overwhelming power and the ability to find knockouts unconventionally. (Walk-up uppercut, long hooks to the temple etc.)
@@SuperAFG47In my opinion he was a inside pressure fighter,He had incredible ring cutting skills and when he reached his opponent or his opponent went at him like Joe Fraizer,he used arm manipulation tactics like the ones shown in this video but also body manipulation tactics which he used to stop punches before they came out and throw his opponent off balance and as a setup for his uppercuts and body hooks
I don’t think Foreman was a slugger. He often used high IQ guard manipulation techniques on his opponents, not to mention his smart defense with the cross arm guard. I feel like Foreman was much more of a pressure fighter. The only time he looked like a slugger was vs Muhammad Ali
@@LTD538 Yeah. I think Earnie Shavers is the best example. Tbh, George Foreman did throw lots of weird punches, like his kidney shots. But still, he had a plan behind it all
@@Ricardo7250 yes George has a lot of smarts people dont give him credit for, he had immense power and great strategy, if all he had was power he would have a record more in line with shavers, perhaps even lower knockout rate because Foreman has to work to knock you out unlike Shavers who just bulldozes you with every punch
I think George Foreman is more of a Boxer puncher who is between being a pressure fighter and an inside fighter depending on who he was fighting. Although of course he did not shy away of a slugfest like in his fight with Ron Lyle
When I first started boxing at the age of 14 I was more of a pressure fighter. Being young, carefree, not using my brain so much, maybe a little immature even, id generally go straight at my opponents, staying on them for the duration of the fight, punching and punching none stop, or at least until i had absolutely nothing left in the tank. And not really worrying, or thinking about what was coming back. Inevitably id end up taking way more punches than I needed to. This tactic is fine when you're young, strong and fresh. But you cannot fight like that indefinitely, it ends up taking its toll on you.
What would you say Thomas Hearns was? I feel like he was an anomaly despite maybe being classified as an outboxer, that reach and jab speed combination are just so unique, and that chopping right cross had some pretty scary power too.
Joe Frazier is the best example of a swarmer. Roberto Duran is definitely a swarmer, but for example, on his fight against Barkley, he often refused to fight in the close range. So I think there are more sides to Duran style. Is Mike Tyson a swarmer? Maybe so but it also feels like he is a counterpuncher
I have a question I combine karate and boxing what style would I be since I use karate blocks and takedowns and boxing punches and both styles movements
I dont think its easy to give you a boxing style when you mix it with karate takedowns tbh, you should compare only your boxing skills with the ones in a video then just call it something like karate-slugger lmao
My list Outboxer - Muhammad Ali Swarmer - Joe Frazier ,Joe Louis Counter puncher - Floyd Infighter - Mike Tyson Boxer puncher - pacman Slugger - Jack Dempsey Complete Fighter - SRR .
You mean for yourself? If yes, you have to figure it out by yourself or get the help of your Coach, everyone has his individual style and attributes. For example, you can't be a slugger with no punching Power
you should compare the attributes in the video to your body, and no you dont NEED to pick one, you could be a mix, most people have a little of mix in their styles
George Foreman is not a good example of a Slugger He did have great abilities in addition to his power,In my opinion he was an inside pressure fighter. He used his great skills to cut the ring in the first engagements of the fight, constantly harassing his opponent in the mid-range with his Jab and when he managed to reach the inside he dismantled his opponent by manipulating his opponent's arms to open his guards like cans and also using body manipulation to take them off balance and as part of his defense to deflect punches A better example of the quintessential Slugger would be Earnie Shavers the greatest raw power that a ring had the honor of having a fight
Crawford and Iron Mike. Iron Mikes shuffle step or whatever its called would have him shift to south paw to gain a better angle for lead hooks n stuff. He just did it so fast people didn't even notice the subtle shift in stance even after they got nailed.
Tyson doesn’t actually like to fight on the inside, he’s a mid-range counterpunching pressure fighter. From what I know Holyfield beat him by taking the fight there
Ain't Hagler a switch boxer? I remember Hagler trapped Hearns into rope with switch stance. I also remember Pirog KOed Jacobs with a switch step. Oh and Fury iirc. Are switch boxer really that common?
Yes hagler is one of the best switch hitters ever. There arent that many who use both stances and even the most that do, arent equally good in both stances
Sugar Ray Robinson was that rare complete complete fighter and the greatest fighter p for p that ever lived, he could out box out slug and knock you out with either hand. and could probably beat any mma fighter, that's right I said it and I stand by what I say.
Sugar Ray was one of the best boxers, if not the best boxer, to do it. But making the mma claim is just ignorant and you know it. Saying shit like that doesn’t do anything to further his legacy, it just sets up an argument that need not take place. The best fighters of any given combat sport are the best within their specific ruleset. Robinson is 100% optimally trained for boxing, 0% trained for kicks, takedowns and grappling. It’s not a difficult concept.
@@fivefootfive9671, None the less I still stand by what I said. SRR was a hybrid of a fighter/boxer/ puncher / slugger, who could adapt to any style or form of fighting, in his era as well as the 80's and 90's era boxing was real fighting, unfortunately it's not like that anymore, boxing has become a boring sport to watch.
@fivefootfive9671 I practically agree with you but somewhat can't help think that the further you go back in the past, some boxers would probably put up a better fight against mma fighters than the modern ones now. This is because if I recall correctly, back then, some boxers had wrestling experience or wrestled to some extent as part of their strength training. Please give insight if you think I'm wrong. P.S. Funnily enough, Terrence Crawfard, if he learned how to check kicks, could probably challenge an mma fighter with some legitimate confidence due to his wrestling experience.
@@SuperAFG47 Can you do a more in depth explanation here between them? Because I’ve always known swarmers and sluggers are seperate but I though both would be considered pressure fighters due to their aggression and constant movement forward
The difference between Swarmers and Pressure fighter. Pressure fighters aren't supposed to be short, they can be any height and reach. Their targets is to pressureise you and corner you. And attack you with hooks and uppercuts. They also uses jab in low quantity for inserting dominance. They need stamina because they don't backup they always will hit you and would throw more punches on score card so they can win even in decision vice. Swarmers are similar, they also need high stamina. But they are supposed to be short. Their main target is to get inside you. The don't use the same extreme pressure that Pressure fighters use. They also posses extreme head moments so they can escape jabs from taller fighters. Soon as they get inside the fighter they throw uppercut and hooks tremendously and knock you out. An example for Pressure fighter is Manny Pacquiao and Julio Chavez An example for Swarmer is not Mike Tyson, he's a Counter puncher. It's Joe Frazier and Rocky Marciano.
