Every Claimant To Rome Ever || How Rome Finally Fell in 2011

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Who is and isn't Rome? This is a question asked across history. Rome itself fell in 476 with the raiding of the city, but did Rome truly fall? After all, the Western Roman Empire continued under Julius Nepos until 480, the Kingdom of Soissons lasted for another couple decades, and most importantly, the Byzantine empire in the East kept going for millenia after this point. Then we have the "new" Roman Empires of the Middle-Ages. Francia and the Holy Roman Empire were elevated by the Pope into new "Roman Empires". And with the fall of Byzantium in 1453, two more "Rome's" emerged, the Ottoman Empire and Russia. This video will be an exploration of the successor states to Rome, where their claims come from, how good those claims are and how long they lasted.
Join us on a captivating journey through history as we dive into the intricate web of Rome's successor states. Discover the fascinating tales of empires that rose and fell, each vying for the title of the eternal city. From the Eastern Roman Empire to the Holy Roman Empire and beyond, we explore the relentless pursuit of power and the enduring legacy of Rome.
But that's not all! Uncover the intriguing story of how Rome finally met its ultimate demise in the surprising year of 2011. Prepare to be amazed as we reveal the modern-day events that brought this ancient city to its knees.
Delve into the riveting narrative of political intrigue, cultural clashes, and military conquests that shaped the destiny of Rome and its successor states. Gain insight into the struggles, triumphs, and ultimate fate of those who sought to claim the mantle of Rome throughout history.
Join us for an eye-opening exploration of Rome's successors and the shocking revelation of how Rome's influence persisted until recent times. Subscribe now to witness the grandeur and downfall of empires, and to unlock the secrets of Rome's legacy that still reverberate in the world today.
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@possiblehistory Год назад

(could/should have included the German Empire and the Third Reich as well, since they claim heritage from the Holy Roman Empire) Thank you for watching! To support the content consider leaving a like and a comment, it really helps against the algorithm! Subscribe for at least one (alternate) history video every single week!

@fewyouaredumb Год назад

first

@LittleK1ng Год назад

You should've included spain too as they got sold the claim of the eastern roman empire even though they stopped using it they never relinquished the title either

@wsngtndc4750 Год назад

you forgot Wallachia, Moldovia and of course Romania

@simargl614 Год назад

@Possible History One thing about video... Serbia and Bulgaria claim actually had point. Both of that countries never claimed to be successor of Ancient Roman empire, they claimed to be successor of Eastern Roman empire(also it was never called in history Byzantium, that term was made by scholar Hieronymus Wolf) because they made orthodox empires. The people of Eastern Roman empire called themselves Romans, not Greeks not Byzantines. That is why they also put that in title. Russia also claimed to be succesor state of orthodox Eastern Roman empire not ancient Roman empire. Last thing is that all three Slavic empires had big impact on Orthodox faith. Russia made largest orthodox empire, in Bulgaria was made cyrillic alphabet that was spread on all Slavic othodox people, and Serbia two times refused to unite Catholic and Orthodox church; because Serbia refused that we still have two major Christian branches. First time they refused during Serbian empire, and second time in 15. century. When Ottomans conquered the Balkans in the 15th century, Byzantium and other Orthodox countries were unable to resist it. They asked for help from Western Christians, and the Vatican met them with blackmail. They were promised help from the countries of Western Roman Catholic Europe, on the condition that they sign a union with the Roman Catholic Church, that the Orthodox Church recognize the supreme authority of the Vatican. The ruler of Serbia, the despot Đurađ Branković, told the Serbian patriarch that he would hang him if he went to Florence. In 1439, in Florence, the union with the Vatican was signed by all Orthodox religious leaders, all except Serbian. Upon learning that Serbia had opposed the powerful Vatican, the Russian Grand Duke executed his patriarch, because of the shame he had brought to Russia. When it became known in Constantinople that the Serbs had not signed the union, riots broke out. At the request of the people, the Ecumenical Patriarch had to step down. The Vatican never forgive the Serbs. On the other hand great video, but I just wanted to gave you some informations that you didn't know and couldn't find. 😁

@tomvanbeek925 Год назад

I think including the German Empire also makes sense because they kind of stole the title from the French. So if the French empires are included then the German Empire has a double indirect claim, although they were largely protestant. Third Reich seems a bit further though. The nazis may have had the emperor restored if they survived, but during their existence they allied with an active "rome-restorer", made up fake germanic heritage stories and tried to found a German Church, which was explicitly not connected to Rome.

@robbsclock2675 Год назад

You know you‘ve created a legendary empire when a whole civilisation claims to be you (or at least tries to)

@fildafernandes4366 Год назад

Here before this blows up

@mappingshaman5280 Год назад

Two actually. The turks are from mongolia, and rome never conquered Russia.

@Snowman_0690 Год назад

How about the UK roman empire????

@deiansalazar140 Год назад

Sumer from 4000BC-313BC America maybe eventually from 1776-???

@Hannibal13 Год назад

Rome isn’t an empire, it’s an idea.

@ElectrostatiCrow Год назад

Every European empire : "You know I'm something of a Roman myself."

@joaojonito3764 Год назад

underrated comment lol

@smokeyhoodoo Год назад

*Jew

@Whayleejay Год назад

@@joaojonito3764 overrated*

@romanchannel69 Год назад

😂😂😂👍

@joaojonito3764 Год назад

@@Whayleejay Jealous

@mrb3nz Год назад

You didn't mention Venice, which actually survived the collapse of the Western Rome and had a pretty good run until it was conquered by Napoleon, increasing Napoleon's kill count of Roman claimants

@saosaosson6139 11 месяцев назад

San Marino too

@goldman77700 10 месяцев назад

Good ol' Napoleon was kicking Roman ass as well.

@bluespy4050 10 месяцев назад

ugh. So based and frenchpilled

@mamelandro3972 10 месяцев назад

@@saosaosson6139San Marino is a joke

@RMProjects785 10 месяцев назад

@@saosaosson6139 If I'm not mistaken San Marino is the only state left in the world that actually got its independence from Rome.

@raynusgremont3664 Год назад

As for the Papacy, it is interesting to note that the fall of the Western Roman Emperor did not mean the fall of the Roman *State* (The Empire fell but the State remained in Rome), the Senate was still there along with other institutions. There was quite a bit of jockeying among Western Roman institutions for power and the Papacy definitely conquered the power vacuum of the Western Roman State, and it still exists.

@tompatterson1548 11 месяцев назад

Nonsense. The Ostrogoths were the successor. They were conquered by the Greeks.

@thessop9439 11 месяцев назад

@@tompatterson1548I agree with the man. The papacy is a roman institution. Both a liturgical and political institution

@tompatterson1548 11 месяцев назад

@@thessop9439 iirc it was never a Government institution per se.

@thessop9439 11 месяцев назад

@@tompatterson1548 true, but it still was a roman political and liturgical institution

@bruh-zw9hx 11 месяцев назад

⁠⁠⁠@@thessop9439i still think that that is a pretty weak claim. the papacy could be considered a remnant institution.. but the papal state wouldn’t form for another few centuries. this was after the Ostrogoths already had set up and ruled kingdoms in Italy with the expressed blessing of the Byzantines (the legitimate Rome and successor of Western Rome imo)

@CliffCardi Год назад

Maybe the real Rome was the friends we made along the way.

@SeanHH1986 Год назад

had to burn a few fields, salt a little bit of earth so that not even a blade of grass will grow in carthage ever again.....but all in all things turned out great!

@Maskyeto Год назад

Balkans 😎🥵

@saitamleonidas Год назад

Or the barbarians and claimers that we slain along the way

@MoloIongo Год назад

Underrated comment

@otaconpas Год назад

*the wars we made along the way

@hans7821 Год назад

There are two more important facts that you didn't mention. 1. Soissons was conquered by Francia under King Clovis, which is somewhat of a legitimacy boost for Francia by right of conquest (as the Ottoman example shows) 2. The title of Eastern Roman Emperor was given to the King of Aragon by the last Byzantine Emperor, which gives the King of Spain a good claim to it.

@mariasirona1622 Год назад

The "right of conquest" is BS, by conquering a thing you literally destroy it

@caiawlodarski5339 Год назад

*By a nephew of the last emperor

@KeithR2002 Год назад

@@caiawlodarski5339 who would be the dynasty head due to the laws of succession. So technically he had the title but it all depends if the last emperor (who died before the official dissolution at the battle) dissolved the title when it was conquered

@pierren___ Год назад

France Clovis also got a diploma from the Byzantine.

@caiawlodarski5339 Год назад

@@KeithR2002 Here is the thing though, Rome was not a dynastic state, Emperorship was an office of the state, not a title of land ownership. Andreas had no more right to sell the title of "roman emperor" than Trump Jr would have to sell the title of "president of the united states". You are applying western european ideas of noble titles where they don't make sense. Of course, in practice Byzantium was little more than a dynastic kingdom of the palaiologi since the fourth crusade, but I think that does more to throw their legitimacy as roman emperors into question than it does to make their sale of the title make sense.

@alfredo.zauce1892 10 месяцев назад

I personally like the Spanish claim-Constantine XI died, the city fell, and his preferred heir was his brother, the Despot of Morea. His heir was his son, Andreas. In his will, Andreas left his claims and titles to the Catholic Monarchs of what would become Spain. One could also argue that, through Carlos V/I, Spain unified the Western claim of the Holy Roman Empire to the Eastern Roman claim he already had, being the first claimant since 395 to be legitimate through both lines of succession. Now, one can argue about what happens after him personally (his empire fell apart, split between Ferdinand and Phillip) but if anyone could be considered the Roman Emperor in the Sixteenth Century, I know who’d be my nominee.

@mariox204 7 месяцев назад

With the bonus that spain was a part of roman so its not far from the claims of france but also has the rigth of the romans given them the title instead of the pope

@MrOceMcCool 7 месяцев назад

@@mariox204 Spain gave many good Roman emperors as well and Felipe VI is the only one to be a currently reigning monarch. Ave Imperator Philippus III!

@mariox204 7 месяцев назад

@@MrOceMcCool thinking more about it they where THE CATOLIC monarchs with very good ties to the pope so they pass the religion check (the religion from the other half of the empire but the point is they conserve they religion that come from the empire) and in biggernes they create the realm where the sun doesnt set

@ProtomanButCallMeBlues 6 месяцев назад

@@mariox204 if you think about it. They spread a Roman religion, a Romance language, and revived Hispania, a prominent Roman province.

@edgard8632 2 месяца назад

Charles V/I was nicknamed Caesar as he had the two most powerful Catholic states at his disposal at the time.

@mikeg2306 11 месяцев назад

Fun Fact: Ivan the Terrible, who was the first Russian ruler to title himself Czar (i.e. Caesar) actually had a legitimate claim to the title. He was the grandson of a Byzantine princess, a neice of the last Byzantine emperor. Unfortunately that claim died out with Ivan’s son Fyodor, who died without an heir, but the title stuck.

@whitegoose2017 11 месяцев назад

Yeah... about that. You forget that European family trees are more like a circle. It's probably likely that there were others with stronger claims, which we've just conveniently forgotten or just disappeared from records over time. However I would still argue that a title doesn't give you a proper claim. You need to have boots on the ground to make the claim. That's why Charlemagne was crowned Emperor of the Romans. They held much of the Roman lands. And even the Ottomans styled themselves as Kayser-i Rum (Caesar of Rome) and they almost certainly had more chops to say that than the Russian Czar, because Ottomans actually held Constantinople, which was one of the Roman capitals. It's why this Russian Third Rome fantasy is the most ludicrous out of them all, because they never held any of the key Roman lands. They only held a border region today known as Crimea and they only got that in the 1780 long after the Paleiologos family ties had died out.

@saosaosson6139 11 месяцев назад

He was also the descendant of Swedish Vikings belonging to the line of Rörik

@selwrynn6702 10 месяцев назад

I think Spain has the best claim to the title currently as they bought the title off the last Byzantine Emperor.

@filthy_peasant_the_one2134 10 месяцев назад

@@whitegoose2017saying the ottomans had stronger grounds than ivan the terrible on claiming the title of successor of rome because they conquered constantinople is absolutely laughable 😂 neither of them had any grounds, and the ottomans even less so than the russians

@jojomaster7675 10 месяцев назад

@@whitegoose2017 Definitely not. Russia's claim to being rome isn't very strong, but it's still much better than the Ottomans. That is because of russia's religion tracing it's origins to Constantinople and the Eastern Roman Empire. Due to this, as well as the rise of the Tsar, russia's culture was also very much influenced by Byzantium. So while they are missing a territorial claim, they do have a valid cultural one, which imo means a lot more, as culture is what creates an empire's identity. Meanwhile not only do the Ottomans have no real cultural connection to byzantium, they directly fought against and destroyed it. Thus, in my eyes rendering them an outside force which has as much of a claim to the title of Rome as do the germanic tribes who conquered and destroyed the Western Roman Empire.

@USSFFRU Год назад

Rome's Legacy is so important and legendary that an entire race in the eastern world that you didn't even conquer claims to be IT'S successor.

@deiansalazar140 Год назад

China? Turks? America? ????

@roropiroro6425 Год назад

@@deiansalazar140 specifically turks since saying muslims is a broad statement

@Grid-the-goofy Год назад

@RoroPiRoro i mean the turks where conquered by the goooofy romans

@roropiroro6425 Год назад

@@Grid-the-goofy ? When? You mean the Sassanid empire? Or the minor turkic bayelics?

@Grid-the-goofy Год назад

@RoroPiRoro dude did you forget that rome took anitolia where mainland turkey is?

@field5758 Год назад

Although it has never claimed the title San Marino is the most legitimate successer of the Roman Empire that still exists, as it did split from the Western Roman Empire a few years before it collapsed, it even has a heavily modified form of the Roman Senate based directly off of the Western Roman Senate. San Marino has never been conquered and has had a continuous system of governance the whole time, this should suffice for it to be considered a Roman successor. Should it not?

@KeithR2002 Год назад

If a country split off of an institution wont it take away their right of being under that title? Its like saying bosnia is the legal continuation of yugoslavua

@not_even_known_yet3167 Год назад

@@KeithR2002 Well Bosnia is a successor state to Yugoslavia.

@TnD_BigJax Год назад

@@KeithR2002 The Western Roman Empire is by default a split of the original Roman empire What makes San Marino any different?

@KeithR2002 Год назад

@@TnD_BigJax it is different because it is not a legally a roman state. The split was two roman states.

@KeithR2002 Год назад

@@TnD_BigJax on a side note san marino was not really independent and seceded out of the empire. It was founded in the roman empire as a municipality. Only did it gain full independence after 17th century

@makingastardestroyer3066 11 месяцев назад

Rome never fell. We are Rome. The western civilization. We learn their history in detail, we use their letters, words, their calendar. Their architecture. Almost all of the native descendents of Rome are living in western countries. Etc. We are Rome.

@InfernosReaper 9 месяцев назад

by that logic, Japan is China, despite never being a part of it

@alivosohg8375 Месяц назад

Best comment❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

@captainkyperplayz1162 10 месяцев назад

A few other potential claimants: 1) I feel the strongest claimant which you did not explicitly mention, is the Vatican City. Whether it be its current incarnation, the Papal States, or simply the papacy itself, the Roman Catholic Church is the last standing institution that was born in the Roman Empire, grew in the Roman Empire, and was officially recognized and participated in by a Roman Emperor, Constantine I, at the Council of Nicaea, in 325. It became an official Roman institution in 380. Additionally, it has a geographic claim by literally being centered in Rome, and "Roman" is in its official name. Also the last claimant to retain the monarchy. This claim has lasted 1990 years if you start at Christ's Great Commission in 33 AD, 1698 years if you start at the Council of Nicaea, or 1643 years if you start at its institution as the official state religion 2) The German Empire evolved from many of the successor states of the Holy Roman Empire, primarily the Kingdom of Prussia. The German Empire claimed succession from the HRE as the Second Reich, and its emperor was crowned as Kaiser, derived from Caesar. The Imperial German claim lasted from 1871-1918, for a total of 47 years 3) National Socialist Germany. While the Weimar Republic had claimed no Roman legacy, National Socialist Germany claimed itself as the true successor to Imperial Germany as the Third Reich. National Socialist claims lasted 12 years between 1933 and 1945 4) The Tsardom of Bulgaria. This claim is by far the weakest, only deriving from the use of Tsar (Caesar) for the monarchical title, but I thought I'd throw that out there. Tsarist Bulgarian claims lasted 38 years from 1908 to 1946

@e4arakon Год назад

tbh I see myself as the only rightful successor to the roman empire

@fildafernandes4366 Год назад

Proof?

@e4arakon Год назад

@@fildafernandes4366 It was revealed to me in a dream

@kirbydaclan4285 Год назад

@@e4arakon reliable + true 🗿

@kevinplayz7965 Год назад

@@e4arakon so true

@Yurasaurus Год назад

@@e4arakonI, being a direct representative of myself, support your claim to be the successor of the Roman Empire.

@JP-en7cc Год назад

Fun fact: The Roman Empire had technically reunited under Charles V (King of Spain and HRE Emperor). He inherited the Title of Eastern Roman Emperor from his Spanish grandparents (The Catholic Monarchs, who received the title from Bizantium after it fell) and the HRE, as he was elected. Tho his inheritance wouldnt continue on one person since it was his son the king Philip II of Spain the one who received the Eastern Roman Emperor (Or just Roman Emperor, call it what you want) and his Brother the one who got to rule the HRE. The HRE no longer exists and the Roman Emperor title still belongs to the Spanish royal family, but they have never really used it

@fildafernandes4366 Год назад

That ends the debate byzantine empire is the Roman Empire!

@browneyeofsauron1244 Год назад

Therefor! By right of victory in war against Spain, Mexico is the rightful roman successor state!

@genghiskhan5701 Год назад

@@browneyeofsauron1244 wrong. The Philippines is the rightful roman successor state. Ave Marcos! Ave Jollibee

@DanielA-zc8fd Год назад

@@browneyeofsauron1244 continuing this right of succession by victory, the title would then fall to a few native american tribes for a bit, then to USA, then finally to Vietnam. So therefore Vietnam is the rightful successor to Rome!!

@YaBoiBaxter2024 Год назад

@@genghiskhan5701 As a pinoy, I agree

@naevan1 10 месяцев назад

Culturally, Italy and Greece are the closest successors be it in terms of religion, music , language etc.. In terms of claims ,as you mentioned 🙂 As a byzantine geek its just funny that my brother's name is Belisarius and his (italian) girlfriends name is Regina 😂

@SiJullianToGuys 8 месяцев назад

I mean i could argue that the Romans were Greek lol

@Boretheory 7 месяцев назад

@@SiJullianToGuysyes if u buy into the ignorant idea that Roman culture was more Greek than italic or Etruscan

@ProtomanButCallMeBlues 6 месяцев назад

@@Boretheory Obviously the Byzantine meme completely overlooks reality. If you look at Spain for example, it had far more in common with Rome than the later Byzantines did. They had a Roman religion, a Romance language, and Hispania was an important founding province of the Empire. All created with absolutely no contact, if not minimal contact with the Greeks

@10k64npt 4 месяца назад

Proud to say that Italy Is the most roman one. But hey, we Romans(Italians) always loved you Greeks ❤ Love from Senatus PopulusQue Romanus

@karaltar7914 4 месяца назад

@@Boretheorythey were very heavily influenced by Greek culture, just like any other peoples living on the coasts of the eastern Mediterranean

@ariano5700 9 месяцев назад

0:48 imagine if All the nations that had a claim to being romen united into one, like they basically become almost unstoppable

@sealsplash3225 Год назад

There were two Byzantine rump states that you didn't mention, which makes sense because of how small they were: the Principality of Theodoro and the Despotate of the Morea. The main reason why Theodoro is interesting is because it lasted until 1475, nearly 22 years after the fall of Constantinople, making it one of the last territorial remnants of Rome. The Morea is interesting because it wasn’t so much of a successor state, as it was actually a province of the Empire that remained after the fall of Constantinople, in part due to Morea being semi-autonomous. It lasted only 7 years after Constantinople fell, but still interesting. Edit: Also, while Epirus stopped claiming to be a continuation of the Empire after 1246, remnants of the regime lasted until 1479, although by that time they only controlled a few isolated forts and towns.

@Potato-yd3hv Год назад

Are you referring to Vonitsa in your edit?

@subutaykhan9387 11 месяцев назад

You forgot Trebizond

@faleilham8334 11 месяцев назад

Since when people used Byzantine to describes Eastern Romans??

@faleilham8334 11 месяцев назад

Also when Byzantine term was found?

@sealsplash3225 11 месяцев назад

@@faleilham8334 If you’re asking why the Eastern Roman Empire is commonly called the Byzantine Empire, the city of Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul) used to be known as Byzantium. People have used the term “Byzantine” since the late 17th century.

@PSIRockOmega Год назад

The Ostrogothic Kingdom is worth noting as well. They had the blessing of the Eastern Roman Emperors to rule for decades until the Gothic Wars. The Senate still met and even did more governance than any time since at least the Principate, and the people there didn't see themselves as being subjects of a foreign king, but still in a part of Rome. The Gothic kings might not have called themselves imperator, but they were a state that was part of Rome.

@FarsightAE Год назад

Odoacer and Theodoric both also considered themselves romans. Odoacer was also magister militum before he took italy. So technically it wasnt a barbarian invasion but a civil war and a reunification with the east until the gothic war. 🤔

@ThaKingzsouljahPR777 Год назад

I do recall that part of history. Historians teach that under that ruler, the Western Roman Empire lasted until 550 AD.

@DiveEntertainment47 11 месяцев назад

The Ostrogothic Kingdom was a Breakaway Entity from the Roman Empire. If Balochistan breaks away from Pakistan, Balochistan is Balochistan and isnt the Continuation from Pakistan, same with the Ostrogothic Kingdom

@Gocegerigegege 11 месяцев назад

@@DiveEntertainment47 This

@saosaosson6139 11 месяцев назад

@@DiveEntertainment47nah this is not even comparable

@sungerfidani 10 месяцев назад

Also another notable mention; Ottoman Sultans also claim heritage of Rome by blood as well as conquest, due to mothers of some sultans such as Theodora Kantakouzene were sisters and daughters of Byzantine Emperors. Ruling families of two neighbouring empires intermarry during times of peace. So Mehmet the conqueror was related to Roman emperors as well.

@user-nw3kv2qf9o 9 месяцев назад

Yes but, none of the Actual Sultans of the Ottomans were sons of THeodora Kantakouzanes. They had no *REAL* roman blood.

@gabrielmaldonado1903 9 месяцев назад

Ottomans just destroyed the most beautiful city in earth , even now days the copy the Hagia Sophia Greek archiecture to build mosques cause they have not creativity

@mythicalumut6174 8 месяцев назад

@@gabrielmaldonado1903constantinople was a city in ruins, de-populated. The turks conquered it and made it great again.

@eduparada970 6 месяцев назад

@gabrielmaldonado1903 You are so ignorant lol If it wasnt because of the Ottomans, Constantinople would be a decayed, depopulated village... The Ottomans rebuilt Constantinople and made it a beautiful, big and populated city again

@hanneswiggenhorn2023 2 месяца назад

@@gabrielmaldonado1903 as if the entirety of western Europe didn't have an entire age called the Renaissance that was literally completely focused around copying Rome

@iglassica 10 месяцев назад

3:00 i love the Asterix reference! Great stuff.

@shockingbruv8723 Месяц назад

I was searching for this comment haha

@MartinRichardi Год назад

The ONLY REAL TRUE Roman empire fell in 1453, byzantine empire never existed, not even eastern Roman empire, IT ALWAYS WAS THE ROMAN EMPIRE

@jakekn7304 Год назад

It was more like a zombie of the Roman empire

@miguelborgesdeaquino3784 Год назад

Neh, i think romania is the real roman empire

@nightmarexgaming120 Год назад

@ProstyProtos71 was the hre Rome debatable I like to think so was it the true Rome no not at all

@Monkeyman-pt6gs Год назад

@ProstyProtos71 The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, Roman, nor an Empire

@ioannis7833 Год назад

@ProstyProtos71 we do a bit of trolling

@wololopurgisnacht Год назад

If you are counting Napoleonic France and the Austrian Empire, you should logically also count the German Empire, which also referenced the Holy Roman Empire as its claim to the imperial title. Also the whole idea of the Third Reich was in reference to the two previous Reichs, the Holy Roman Empire and the German Empire, so you could count that as a claimant as well. As for the Ottoman claim, it is an interesting one because they had a strong claim at first but just kind of gradually stopped emphasizing it so it is hard to really consider them a Roman claimant in the 1900s.

@jdcsiahaan Год назад

The Ottoman claim is indeed interesting because they do control Constantinople and its sultans considered themselves as Roman emperors (as they rule over Romans as well, the Rum Millet), and they also emphasized that by appointing Patriarchs of Constantinople, creating what was essentially a multicultural state (at first at least), fighting against the Habsburg emperors of HRE to ensure there's only one Roman emperor, and even forging a four-tiered crown (Suleiman the Magnificent's Venetian Helmet) to rival the three-tiered Papal Tiara. That Roman claim gradually recedes after Ottoman sultans claim the title of Caliph, however, when they started to emphasize their Islamness rather than Romanness

@azahel542 Год назад

@@jdcsiahaan By this definition, the ostrogoths had just as strong a claim to the empire...

@zagreus5773 Год назад

@Azahel 000 Well yeah, they did.

@wololopurgisnacht Год назад

@@azahel542 They would have, yes, but they decided to recognize the Eastern Roman emperors rather than stake their own claim. The Ottomans actually actively claimed Roman emperorship, at least at first.

@fawkewe Год назад

The Germans never claimed to be the successor to rome though, infact Hilter thought the Romans made the italians less aryan than the other Europeans. While they technically would be by that logic the Germans would consider themselves there own race, and there own Empire unlike any seen before.

@nocomment2519 Год назад

I have watched several videos on the subject. So far, this video is best of them: - top tear objectivity. - clear presentation of the information and ideas. 🎉

@LapoRighiniSolaire97 Год назад

As an Italian, I can confirm that ours is more of a cultural recognition, at least since the establishment of the republic (1946), since many customs and traditions have remained to this day, not to mention the language, one of the closest to Latin, and in phrases and proverbs where Latin idioms are still used today (Example: in Roman justice, the names Tizio, Caio and Sempronio were always used to refer to hypothetical people, as is still the case in Italian). I'm not here to be controversial, honestly in 2023 it seems anachronistic to me that anyone would declare themselves the successor of the Roman empire.

@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 11 месяцев назад

You guys sure didn’t inherit Rome’s martial culture and military prestige.

@quostad 11 месяцев назад

Yes, it is really anachronistic to claim to be a successor of the Roman Empire by now, and I think that claiming to be a descendant of it makes more sense.

@LapoRighiniSolaire97 11 месяцев назад

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 Yep, you're absolutely right

@G.A.C_Preserve 11 месяцев назад

Does that including the Roman corruption and Roman coup?

@LapoRighiniSolaire97 11 месяцев назад

@@G.A.C_Preserve Those are trademarks

@jacklovejoy5290 Год назад

There's a few other weird ones: Montferrat had a dynastic claim owing to them having a Palaiologos Duke, the Visigoths under Burdunelles and Petrus also claimed the title, the last Palaiologos heir (the brother of the last Emperor) sold his rights to the title to the Catholic monarchs, so the Spanish monarchy is also tied to the Roman title and does have some support as the most likely claimant

@kiernanhowell-mackinley1733 Год назад

I will also explain this again so that people can see: even though Andreas Palaiologos did try to sell the title to the King of France first, this was only on the condition that the King would launch a crusade to take back Constantinople and Greece, rewarding Andreas with lordship of the Morea if they won. This never happened, as the King died four years later, so Andreas withdrew the offer and sold the title to the Catholic Monarchs instead.

@spencerlenz5050 11 месяцев назад

@@kiernanhowell-mackinley1733 I pretty sure he didn't even manage to sell, he willed it to the king of Spain

@selwrynn6702 10 месяцев назад

No he did, the Spanish monarchy has just never used the title, it was likely more of a vanity thing for them & to help the guy out.

@selwrynn6702 10 месяцев назад

Given how selling titles is accepted and recognized I think they have the best claim to the title of Romen Emperors today. If I ever get rich I will try and see if I can buy the title off of them if only for the memes of declaring myself Emperor of Rome.

@user-nw3kv2qf9o 9 месяцев назад

The Last Brother, *TRIED* to sell his titles to the Spanish, they didn't accept. He ended up dying and *LEFT* his titles to the Spanish.

@jwil4286 Год назад

Technically, the emperor couldn’t unilaterally dissolve the HRE, so theoretically, the prince of Lichtenstein or grand Duke of Luxemburg could ask the pope to be made the Holy Roman Emperor, being the last noble lines from that era to retain power.

@alexzero3736 Год назад

What about Bavarian king? Those guys did fight Austria at war of Austrian succession.

@12tanuha21 Год назад

@@alexzero3736 At the end of WW1 bavarian people decided that they don't need a king anymore.

@someguy3766 Год назад

I suppose you could make a similar claim then on behalf of the British monarchy, since they were the rulers of Hanover and electors within the HRE until it was dissolved. Although their rule of Hanover did end when Victoria I ascended the throne as Hanover didn't allow female heirs. Still, they were part of the HRE nobility until it's end and would be the most senior such noble house still around today.

@jwil4286 Год назад

@@someguy3766 because Hanover didn’t allow female heirs, the Hanoverian line of succession would not be in British hands today.

@someguy3766 Год назад

@@jwil4286 Yeah I said as much. But that royal house was the monarchy of Hanover, and it still exists today. So there is a link from King Charles III to the HRE, and therefore to Rome. A weak link ofc.

@miroslavbicanic2759 Год назад

Just here to say that, having grown up watching Asterix & Obelix, I really appreciate the nod to the show you made at 2:50, it really caught me off guard :D

@reinjouke9743 10 месяцев назад

there is a show? I never knew there was more than the comic books

@miroslavbicanic2759 10 месяцев назад

@@reinjouke9743 definitely look into it! In particular, The 12 Tasks of Asterix is my favourite, and it is a story originally made for the show, and only later adapted into a comic :)

@mr.figgles9482 Год назад

Not gonna lie, I liked this video before I got through 5 seconds purely because I love the idea so much. Watching the whole thing of course. Always like to hear about the cultural justifications and claims of virtue, I find it much more interesting than what often comes up in history, like simple displays of territory and descriptions of fighting.

@olegshtolc7245 Год назад

Russia didn’t just claim because of religion, it’s was because of marriages of rus princes and “Byzantine” (Roman) monarch family

@Yurasaurus Год назад

Also Moscow literally adopted Byzantine political institutions, including those related to the status of the Orthodox Church.

@olvustin6671 Год назад

I mean same goes for ottomans

@universetraveler5826 Год назад

@@olvustin6671 Not officially. No Roman emperor would actually approve of an Roman-Ottoman marriage. Also, Orthodox Christianity was a vital part of the Roman identity. If one wasn’t Christian or didn’t speak Greek then they were not considered Romans according to the actual Romans

@mehmetkayraozer9164 Год назад

@@universetraveler5826 but they approved the marriages.

@xShadowChrisx Год назад

@@universetraveler5826 claiming any christianity was vital to Roman identity is the most revisionist shit... Rome was Pagan for the majority of it's existence.

@emperornapoleon6204 Год назад

Very wonderful video!

@Maxzes_ 10 месяцев назад

Good video man

@magako_v.3 Год назад

The Prince of Moscow also married Zoe, the daughter of the younger brother (Thomas Paleologus) to the last Byzantine Emperor, Constantine. So the Tsars and later Emperors of Russia have a dynastical claim to Rome too.

@marcusaurelius4941 Год назад

niece of the last emperor, also meaning granddaughter of the second-to-last emperor, so there's a direct descendance lmao

@yuriyzaharchyshyn4377 Год назад

If so, this claim would only refer to Rurik dynasty, not Romanovs, who never had a single drop of Constantine's blood.

@KutayYavuz 11 месяцев назад

The Ottomans have the claim too. Orhan married the Byzantine princess of the Palailogi.

@bramanko 11 месяцев назад

Romanovs actually have Rurik blood duh few drops at least

@nopropaganda20 11 месяцев назад

@@PraetorAkin Good for the people.... Bad for rich pigs.

@redacted7230 Год назад

Honorable mentions: Theodoro, Successor of Trebizond, Fell in 1475 Despotate of the Morea, successors of the Byzantines, Fell in 1460 March of Montferrat, Successors of the Byzantines, last roman ruler died in 1533 & fell in 1708 (Duchy of Montferrat) Kingdom of France, Granted by Andreas Palaiologos, fell into disuse 1565, fell in 1789/1800 Kingdom of Castile-Aragon/Spain, Granted by Andreas Palaiologos, Fell in 1700 with the death of Charles II Romania, Claims heritage to Roman Dacians

@goose93 11 месяцев назад

I don't think claiming to be descended of roman people means they claim to be the Roman empire

@Bayard1503 10 месяцев назад

Yup, Romania never claimed any continuation... but many former Byzantine imperial families actually settled in Romania and became nobles but this happened at least a century after the fall of the empire, I don't know how much claim they had to anything. Were they from the main families? If some were deposed at some time in Byzantine history they obviously lost any pretense... Anyway, nobody really cared in Romania. The only attempt done in this direction I think was done immediately after the fall of Constantinople, Trebizond and Morea. Stephen the Great of Moldavia married with the sister of the prince of Theodoro the last Byzantine rump state and tried to stop Ottoman expansion. It failed, both militarily and marriage wise, they had no children and the prince of Theodor's family was extinguished.

@alextg23 9 месяцев назад

@@Bayard1503he meant something else about Romania lmao

@Bayard1503 9 месяцев назад

@@alextg23 I know, I just added some info

@javierduenasjimenez7930 9 месяцев назад

@@ElKITENAUT Yes, and the Bourbon line was a cousin of distance from the Habsburg one, so it wasn't like "new guys in charge".

@Diogenes_43 Год назад

Rome lives forever in every European heart.

@10k64npt 4 месяца назад

Italian heart*

@jg3459 2 месяца назад

You forgot the biggest Rome's son, the Spanish empire.

@huntclanhunt9697 Год назад

The Eastern Romans Empire wasn't a successor state. That was literally the Roman Empire. Byzantium is a term the HRE made up to disenfranchise them.

@alperenbaser7952 Год назад

Exactly

@mithridates3152 Год назад

Facts

@alperenbaser7952 Год назад

Also some say it was Greek Empire. They influance a lot but it wasnt Greek Empire . It was multiethnic Eastern Roman Empire

@AlexDragonfire96 Год назад

They were greek

@alperenbaser7952 Год назад

@@AlexDragonfire96 No . They were Romans . Most of the population was Anatolians.

@eduardowalsh9418 Год назад

It would be interesting to see the topic of "Weird anttemps for imperial revivals" Like that of Italy and Greece to revive roman identity in the 20th century, the spanish loyalist in the american colonies claiming to be the legitimate Spanish empire before being overrun by revolutions, Hungary's anttemp to restore it's monarchy and former boarders, etc. (Welp, i hope the algorithm takes this as an endorsement)

@xELITExKILLAx Год назад

In WW2 when the Allies helped free Greece in some of the rural and less populated islands, the Allies said something about congrats on having a free Greece. When they said that the Greek people stared at them confused, responding “we are not Greek, we are Romans” some Greek people never gave up their Roman identity

@mastercrash0683 Год назад

Maybe something about everyone who claimed to be a successor to the Caliphate?

@xiuhcoatl4830 Год назад

That happened in the andes during the independence. Incan nobles rebelled against the revolutionaries, remaining loyal to the spanish crown. Which also reminded me of an argentinian funding father looking for an Inca noble, his plan was to restore the Inca empire.

@TheHunterOfYharnam Год назад

@@xELITExKILLAx We are both the Ellines (Hellenes/Greeks) and Romioi (Romans). Greece itself IS the Rhomania/Byzantine empire. We just failed to liberate our capital (most consider Konstantinoupoli as the real capital not Athens) due to internal issues and the fact that noone really wanted us to revive the byzantine empire. The russians also had a plan in the 1600s for a new greek byzantine empire but preferred the declining ottomans and the same thing was true for the british french and italians + soviets. Thats the main reason we actually lost eastern thrace. Turkey couldn't actually get it even after we lost in Asia minor. We mainly had to give it up because of pressure by the british. The Greek army was getting ready to re-enter the city at some point. But at least im happy some Greeks entered into Hagia Sophia and finished the Byzantine liturgy that hadn't finished in 1453 because of the siege of Constantinople. Either way things can change again.

@MrStarchild3001 10 месяцев назад

Nice! Important analysis.

@vectorstrike Год назад

Very nice video and even got some new info I wasn't privy of.

@DanielCobblestone Год назад

Being so detailed I miss that you didn't mention that the king of Spain nowadays has the claim of Roman Emperors as the last Byzantine Emperor gave them to Isabella of Castille and Fernando of Aragon.

@jdcsiahaan Год назад

nope, the title was sold by a nephew of the last Byzantine Emperor, who was in need of cash. going by the Byzantine (and therefore Roman) laws of succession, that nephew doesn't hold the tile of Roman Emperor, given that the emperorship is an office, not a noble title inherited by birth or lineage, although in practice having a lineage to the previous emperor can boost one's claim for the office

@DanielCobblestone Год назад

@@jdcsiahaan thanks for clarifying :) I didn't know that

@alonsoACR Год назад

@@jdcsiahaan The nephew was the recognized heir before the fall though

@rollolol6053 Год назад

@@alonsoACR Yeah, and he sold it to pretty much everyone: the Pope, the King of France, the King of Hungary, the Holy Roman Emperor, and then only to the King of Aragon.

@VOTE_REFORM_UK Год назад

⁠@@jdcsiahaanIt may have been an office at first, but it certainly evolved into a noble title over time, starting with the dominate. Dynasties were especially prevalent in the Byzantine empire as in any other medieval kingdom.

@falcon7598 Год назад

Would the Spaniards count? I know they didn't have any real desire towards Rome compared to the others, but didn't the last Roman emperor Constantine XI give his titles before the empire fell as a reassurance the empire would continue? I think if this were to be considered or not, it would have to come down to if we find any value towards emperor Constantine's XI final commands, almost like taking the Pope's word/authority. It's very interesting, and I am happy to have seen this video!

@pamndz1 Год назад

I count them, their history and culture probably are closer to the Romans than any other country except Greece and Italy, on top of the reason you mentioned.

@iexist3919 Год назад

No, the person who gave the title of Roman Emperor was a member of the Palaiologos dynasty, but Constantine XI never gave his titles to Spain

@jcsfc2842 Год назад

@@iexist3919 yes it was Andreas Palaiologos who gave the title of Roman Emperor to the Catholic Monarchs of Spain.

@SuleimanTheMagnificent71618 Год назад

@@jcsfc2842They didn't use the title nor cared so nope....

@falcon7598 Год назад

@@iexist3919 exactly, my bad for saying it was Constantine XI, it was his nephew Andreas who was "heir" as the next in line. So he sold his claim and titles to them

@Galermolat 11 месяцев назад

Phenomenal work!

@willd4686 10 месяцев назад

Very cool video!

@arthurbriand2175 Год назад

2:52 I see what you did there. Nice Asterix reference. Soissons would be a cool alternate history state. Or an Arthurian romano celtic Britannia and Northern Gaul.

@kandia25 Год назад

Now I'm intrigued with what could have happend if Julius Nepos managed to reclaim most of the western roman empire

@mappingshaman5280 Год назад

It was impossible. There were too many barbarians squatting in its ruins.

@monkeman1062 Год назад

it would have been interesting if he even managed to reclaim italy for rome, because then there is a possibility that the roman empire would still be around, although much smaller

@MrSomervillen Год назад

If he had started a dynasty, you could have called them the Nepos Babies

@mism847 Год назад

Perhaps with some incredibly skilled successors, he could take back the empire bit by bit.

@sentryion3106 Год назад

It would be a more interesting alternate history if honorius didn’t backstab stillicho or hell valentenian killed aetius. Some stupid moves by some young emperor doomed it completelt

@knightspearhead5718 Год назад

ill never understand the claim that the ottomans have a claim to the roman empire but those same people will say the HRE has barely any claim.

@xyeB Год назад

I’ll never understand it too

@JuanManuel-ii1ov 4 месяца назад

The Manchu conquered China and became the new China. Everybody agrees on that. The Ottomans did the same. Yet, westerners don't consider them to have been the new Rome.

@JuanManuel-ii1ov 4 месяца назад

The HRE claim to Rome comes from the Pope saying so.

@knightspearhead5718 4 месяца назад

@@JuanManuel-ii1ov The Manchus that ruled over china adopted chinese culture in there later years of rule, unlike the ottomans who renamed everything that was once roman or byzantine greek and suppressed the greeks that tried to have = rights and forced them into service until the hellas were finally able to rebel. The Pope actually rules over Rome so he has the most power to claim the roman empire out of anyone. The HRE is the successor to western rome that existed along side eastern rome more commonly referred to as the Byzantine empire

@JuanManuel-ii1ov 4 месяца назад

@@knightspearhead5718 The Manchu respond is a good one. On the other hand, the Pope merely rules a tiny plaza inside the city of Rome by grace of the Italian state, nothing more. I remind you I support neither the HRE nor Ottoman claim to Rome but merely present arguments.

@cantrait7311 2 месяца назад

Nicely researched

@Normal_user_coniven Год назад

There is also the Kaiser (Caesar) of Germany, when they dissolve from HRE. Also, the Spanish claim that the last Byzantine emperor wrote a letter saying that Frederick and Isabella of New founded Spain are the ancestors/ successors to the Eastern Roman Empire title, but that line mixed with the Western Roman Empire line through the Habusburgs ruling Italy. And then, they stop claiming that title due to the treaty at the end of the Spainsh throne war between Bourbons and Habusburgs, until Napoleon Bonaparte claimed that line.

@InfernosReaper 9 месяцев назад

I suspect the Spanish claim is likely a fabrication.

@andrewchapman2039 Год назад

Somewhere amongst the heavens, Romulus sheds a single tear of pride.

@anitathakur9340 Год назад

meanwhile remus:.....

@xShadowChrisx Год назад

Romulus would be horrified to see his Legacy turn against the Gods he glorified.

@USSFFRU Год назад

@@anitathakur9340 Remus weeps while Romulus joys

@XxLIVRAxX 11 месяцев назад

Octavian did a stellar job

@qwerte6948 10 месяцев назад

@@xShadowChrisx he probabaly would be confused as rome was still technically small during his life

@rebeccawinter472 2 месяца назад

Great analysis!

@21preend42 8 месяцев назад

I think you missed Romania as a relevant one. Romania means "Roman" or "of Rome" and technically we call ourselves Romans (romanians), as well as speaking romance language and arguably one of the closest to Latin despite the Slavic influence. And we are Orthodox, the religion of the Eastern Rome. While romanians do not claim to be successors, you did mentioned Greece.

@adamd6972 6 месяцев назад

Romanians certainly have a good claim to be directly descended from Romans, or at least Daco-Romans. And they’ve been good at keeping some significant cultural markers alive through the centuries (as you say in your comment). But perhaps not so good at the Empire bit - not only by never having one themselves but also by having spent most of their history fighting off the domination of powerful empires all around them! By the way, I see this as an incredible survival story - how the Romanian people somehow kept together as a national community throughout all those centuries of foreign power domination, before finally a kind of two-stage independence in 1878 & 1918.

@zneaxbruh5554 Год назад

Great video however you missed 2 things First the Russians have a dynastic claim to rome aswell through sophia palaiologina Second :Andreas palaiologos sold his titles to Ferdinand II of aragon and Isabella I of castille

@gregetter6137 Год назад

One possibility not mentioned is Lichtenstein as successor of the Holy Roman Empire. Spain and San Marino also have arguments for successor states as well.

@malharmazumdar3731 10 месяцев назад

Loved the Asterix reference at 2:55 :)

@inamecomeunico8935 10 месяцев назад

Really cool video

@jesusswagi5960 Год назад

Man I can't believe you didn't even mention Spain! and I'm not even Spanish! For example, I am only going to refer to the King of Spain and the Spain of today. 1) Have a legal claim 2) Already a head of state 3) Member of Capetian family, oldest still royal line in Europe 4) Theodoric was given western imperial regalia from Eastern Emperor and Spain is the successor state of the Visigothic Kingdom meaning both titles east and west can be claimed by the Spanish crown 5) A Latin speaker The Roman Empire had "technically" reunited under Charles V (King of Spain and HRE Emperor). He inherited the Title of Eastern Roman Emperor from his Spanish grandparents (The Catholic Monarchs, who received the title from Byzantium after it fell) and the HRE, as he was elected. Tho his inheritance from him wouldnt continue on one person since it was his son from him the king Philip II of Spain the one who received the Eastern Roman Emperor (Or just Roman Emperor, call it what you want) and his Brother from him the one who got to rule the HRE. The HRE no longer exists and the Roman Emperor title still belongs to the Spanish royal family, but they have never really used it

@juancampuzano4405 Год назад

This video is amazing, I always have this thought in mind and didn´t know all the claims! Keep the good work!

@edbrown1121 10 месяцев назад

I liked your subtle Asterix reference.

@mwangolatrue 11 месяцев назад

One of the best videos on this topic

@10k64npt 4 месяца назад

No, kinda pathetic but good to understand that everyone that claims to be Rome apart from Italy is a stupid country. Like how can you claim it if you don't have Roman culture, a Latin language like Italian and ROMA?

@xenotypos Год назад

Napoleonic France had some interesting parallels to Rome: First a kingdom, then a republic, and then an empire. Napoleon was a consul that became an emperor, and all the imagery he used reminded Rome: his coronation (which was "his version" of the coronation of Charlemagne), the arc the triomphe etc... Also, I feel like being an empire that actually dominated the continent, including large lands that used to belong to the Roman empire, makes the claim more credible. Indeed, I can't even begin to understand why you think Austria or some insignificant states such as Epirus had a "better claim".

@Azurethewolf168 10 месяцев назад

Because it makes more sense doing it that way

@basedkaiser5352 10 месяцев назад

@@Azurethewolf168no it doesn't

@Azurethewolf168 10 месяцев назад

@@basedkaiser5352 yes

@danielsantiagourtado3430 Год назад

Your videos are seriously amazing! Love the topic of Rome!

@pedrobernardez 11 месяцев назад

"One small kingdom of indomitable Romans still holds out" I saw it coming and it still made me laugh out loud

@TheApsodist 5 месяцев назад

Asterix?

@philipsullivan4885 11 месяцев назад

Great attention to detail

@caiawlodarski5339 Год назад

I think it makes more sense to count the ERE as falling in 1204 and Byzantium after that as the Nicean sucessor state. Byzantium as an entity after the fourth crusade was much closer to greek feudal kingdom than to the Imperial State that preceded it, and even culturally they were already moving away from a "Roman" identity into a "Greek/Hellenic" one, see Gemistos Plethon as an example of that.

@deiansalazar140 Год назад

Where did the crusaders that ruled and conquer it come from again? Venice helped them I think but it was mixed but which group had the most influence?

@shronkler1994 Год назад

@@deiansalazar140 and Venice is funny, because they were formerly East Roman.

@k_aesar Год назад

@@deiansalazar140 the latin emperors were all french

@spaceracer6861 Год назад

He was so cool an entire Greek dish was named after him

@falcon7598 Год назад

I wouldn't agree to that. Even before 1204, there was still a large Hellenic influence and grip over the entire empire. Sure, the emperors did have to speak Latin, but it wasn't until emperor Heraclius which started the empire to favour their inner Hellenic side more. Back then, being called Hellenic was seen as a pagan, referring to the faith of the Olympians, while Roman evolved to be meaning Christians. Roman was no longer just Latin ethnics, but it became an umbrella term with many ethnicity's that shared Roman values and way of life. The empire was already Hellenic from the start, indirectly and directly. Technically the term Byzantine isn't even correct since the term was created way after their extinction.

@arturodelrio5607 Год назад

Funny enough, Charles V of the HRE was nicknamed "el César" as he virtually controlled Western continental Europe (except for France, Portugal and some parts of Northern Italy). Was also the last HRE emperor crowned by the pope.

@diegoyqulki Год назад

And the americas... Really a very big empire

@HashimyHuseini 10 месяцев назад

@@diegoyqulki With terrible adminstration

@durodura-go1sl 10 месяцев назад

@@HashimyHuseini impossible to succes wiht that amount of money and only reliying on Castille treasure, He put the stone to spanish downfall

@zaktan7197 9 месяцев назад

A less serious but arguably more utilitarian idea is whoever is upholding the Pax like the Pax Romana is the functional equivalent of Rome. Thanks for the video.

@uncommon_name9337 4 месяца назад

That'd be America, but for how long ? And who replaces them ?

@ThePinkPhantom 10 месяцев назад

Great graphics

@goksir5845 Год назад

I think under the byzantine successors Theodoro would also be worth a mention, as a somewhat independent but closely allied breakaway of Trebizond it existed until 1475 in Crimea.

@gen.tucker6024 Год назад

That "reverse" Asterix reference was honestly hilarious

@furutanimura8612 Год назад

Regarding Russia, plus everything, Ivan III, who ascended the throne in 1462, was married to Sophia, who, before the adoption of Orthodoxy, was called Zoya Palaiologos and was the niece of the last Byzantine emperor Constantine XI Palaiologos. This was traced to heredity. In addition, around this time, the double-headed eagle, which migrated from Byzantium, became the coat of arms of the Russian state (again, a hint of continuity).

@blasty137 5 месяцев назад

The successor of Thomas Palaiologos, Despot of Morea and brother of Constantine XI, the last Roman Emperor, was his son Andreas Palaiologos, who appointed the king and queen of Spain as successors of his title, which negates the Russian claim to the title through Zoe Palaiologina as she never had a claim to it.

@gameragodzilla 11 месяцев назад

I wonder how much larger this list would be if we even included countries that didn't claim to be Rome but do claim to be heavily influenced by its customs, culture and ideas. The founding fathers of the United States were very consciously basing the Constitution on the Roman Republic, and the Roman inspired architecture in Washington DC and the choosing of an eagle (the bald eagle chosen because it's native to the Americas) as the national bird show that.

@ChaffyExpert 8 месяцев назад

America has the spirit of Rome maybe, but it's not Rome lol. Not by a longshot.

@bigboispyro Год назад

Sad that Venice wasn't mentioned here, since it was set up by Roman survivors from Aquileia.

@alvarotorres8283 Год назад

could we consider also the fact that ''On April 7, 1502, Andreas executed his testament designating Ferdinand and Isabel and their successors as his universal heirs.'' This refers to the bizantine empire in the era of Thomas Palaiologos's succesor Andreas (Thomas being the brother of Constantine XI if recall correctly). Correct me if i'm wrong, i love learning through making mistakes

@javierduenasjimenez7930 9 месяцев назад

I think this is a legitimate claim, but if the current Kings of Spain tried to claim themselves of Roman inheritance, they would mainly go by the "Visigothic Kingdom succesor of Rome" line of thinking. I think it's the most important (without discrediting the Palailogos selling of the title).

@wwpp773 11 месяцев назад

You forgot Palaeologus-Montferrat house, who ruled Montferrat City State, since palaeologus house ruled Roman successor state (Eastern Rome) the city state was literally another successor state imo. Also, it was ruled by branch of Palaeologus Dynasty called "Palaeologus-Montferrat".

@Passer__ Год назад

Does anyone have any information on the kingdom mentioned at 3:20? I searched about it online but I found nothing. Thanks in advance!

@TheLocalLt Год назад

Also I’m not sure it’s accurate to say that Austria post-1806 didn’t control any Roman lands, they still had held Lombardy-Venetia and the Po Valley, as well as Istria and Dalmatia, part of the very heart of the Roman world. Even after losing Lombardy-Venetia, they still held on to South Tyrol and the Brenner Pass, parts of the old Roman core, and actually briefly recaptured Venetia during WWI (although not the city of Venice itself). Of course the empire subsequently collapsed, though the old Holy Roman crown is on display in Vienna in the now-Republic of Austria.

@vectorstrike Год назад

Austria (Raetia) and Hungary (Pannonia) were also parts of the Roman Empire for a long time as Dalmatia and Illirya (Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia) also were

@TheLocalLt Год назад

@@vectorstrike yes Illyria, Istria and Dalmatia are definitely great examples as well

@VOTE_REFORM_UK Год назад

I would go as far as to say that having the same territory as the Roman Empire did doesn’t really matter tbh. The Russian empire had literally 0 former Roman land and yet they still had some legitimacy to Rome.

@TheLocalLt Год назад

@@VOTE_REFORM_UK it’s certainly a boost, that’s why Russia wanted to conquer Constantinople from 1453 until 1917

@user-oy3gp2dd7y 11 месяцев назад

@@VOTE_REFORM_UK russia certanly did own former roman land

@Standislav Год назад

I love how you always make a video on topic I am interested in and almost nobody discussed

@jakinboaz8558 4 месяца назад

2:52 Love the Asterix reference!

@gutyhuy3817 Год назад

I think you should have mentioned the Principality of Theodoro, the successor to Trebizond, that lasted until 1475 in Crimea until its conquest by the Ottomans.

@Lorthein Год назад

Very interesting video! I missed Spain though (shaky claim through selling of titles, buut it has an interesting mixture with the Habsburgs and the HRE)

@NicCageCDXX Год назад

IIRC, there is one source that says the leadership of Soissons did send an envoy to Zeno following Romulus Augustulus's abdication, but these claims to being the rightful Western Roman Emperor were ignored. I also recall reading that the Soissons leadership made multiple threats to invade Italy and take the emperorship by force, but doing this would have left the rest of whatever lands they held completely undefended and make the hypothetical campaign a win-or-die situation

@shaunaqpaul3078 11 месяцев назад

Love the Asterix and Obelix reference at 2:58

@nodric2314 10 месяцев назад

In Cyprus many still refer to themselves as Ρωμιοί or Romans and Byzantine imagery is very common.

@papazataklaattiranimam Год назад

" In its final centuries , the Byzantine Empire was also called " Romania . " Remnants of this Roman heritage are still evident in such terms as " Rum " and " Rumeli . Georgius, Philippides, M. and Macarius, 1980. The fall of the Byzantine empire. Amherst, MA: Univ. of Massachusetts Pr., p.2.

@cazwalt9013 Год назад

But the turks still have no legitimacy to claim the title

@hakkihakkinen3331 Год назад

Well the Ottomans did. Kind of. Mehmed II based his claim on the throne to his great grandmother being an heir to the Komnenos dynasty.

@marcusaurelius4941 Год назад

when Greece fought for its independence from the Ottomans in the early 1800's, they still called themselves Romei or something similar to that in some remote parts of the country

@Kaiyanwang82 Год назад

@@hakkihakkinen3331 Mehmed II was also one of the few who cared about Rome (or antiquity, like Alexander). Many of his successors were Persianized, he was really a man in the middle of east and west.

@Player-re9mo Год назад

Greeks and Turks: We're Roman! ROMANiANS: NU!

@JulianHetman Год назад

Do I agree with everything? No, I do think the Latin Empire is underappreciated here, given Frankokratia (Frankish rule in Greece) lasted until around 1450 with the fall of the Athenian Duchy. A minor state missing would be Theodoro, which broke off from Trebizond sometime around 1300 and continued as a Gothic-Greek state until the 1470's. But, do I like the video? Damn yes I do! The video is the best one I've seen here, and while not up to the rigorous standards of a university, you still state your claims and provide evidence and reasoning to back up. Combined with your moderate historical views compared to other, more bombastic alt history creators and I'd say I've found one of the go-to channels during free time.

@constancerijsdijk9332 4 месяца назад

Great video! The Emperor Augustus on his deathbed: "Exegi monumentum aere perennius."

@alessandrotrucchi8338 3 месяца назад

@constancerijsdijk9332 Didn't he say "Acta est fabula" 🤔

@constancerijsdijk9332 3 месяца назад

@@alessandrotrucchi8338You're right, my bad. The quote I gave was from Horatius.

@athalos8868 10 месяцев назад

Personally I find it unfair to the people that defended Constantinople and the last emperor Palaiologos to call any empire after him "roman",especially the Ottomans.Rome wasn't just the land it occupied,it was the way of life that these people practised for hundreds of years.

@strikeforce1500 Год назад

"Rome could be here in this very moment. It could be YOU!, it could be ME!, it could be- " **collapses**

@leonardorenzi7844 Год назад

Technically there is also Spain. You see, the grandson of the last Byzantine emperor decided that upon his death (he had no children) the title of Roman emperor should go to Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile, thus giving Spain the chance to establish itself as Rome's successor.

@leonardorenzi7844 Год назад

I'am not from Spai btw.

@universetraveler5826 Год назад

The last Roman emperor also didn’t have any children. The guy who sold the title was an unimportant nephew, and he himself considered it a false sale. Even if the king did have a claim as heir of the emperor, that doesn’t mean Spain has a claim. Also, as far as I know, Spain never even claimed to be Rome, so I’m not sure why it’d be on this list

@elplebe1762 11 месяцев назад

@@universetraveler5826it does mean Spain has a claim, read his comment again?

@elplebe1762 11 месяцев назад

They didn't claim Rome but they defeated it to the point it ended "the renaissance" in the 16th century in the "Sack of Rome"

@adriancampos8640 6 дней назад

@@universetraveler5826 That "unimportant" nephew was the son of the brother of Constantine XI. That brother was the last emperor's designated heir.

@JappeChristian 10 месяцев назад

I think it is important to mention two things that you did not cover 1. The Russian Empire/Russia/Muscovy had another claim to legitimacy: The final emperor of the eastern roman empire died fighting when Constantinople fell, but his brother continued to rule the despotate of Morea for 7 more years. His daughter, the niece of the last eastern roman emperor, was Zoe Palaiologina was born 4 years before Constantinople fell and in 1472 she would marry Ivan the third of Muscovy, a marriage actually suggested by the Pope. Ivan the third and Zoe Palaiologina's grandson Ivan the fourth would be the man to reform Muscovy into Russia and be the first Tsar (caesar - tsaetsar - tsar) of Russia. As such Russia's Tsars had a bloodline connection to the brother of the last emperor of the eastern roman empire up until 1598 when the Rjurikovich dynasty ended their rule of Russia. 2. Before the great schism, there was no difference between the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches. They were both one united church; often called the chalcedonic church. In this church there were 5 leaders called patriarchs: one for Rome, one for Constantinople, one for Antioch, one for Alexandria and one for Jerusalem. The Pope was the patriarch of Rome, a successor to the Roman "Pontifex Maximus" and was a more prestigious position than the other patriachs. However all 5 patriarchs had to agree to crown the new emperor of Rome. When the eastern and western parts of the church split, the Pope claimed to be the only authority on god's will. At this point, the western Roman empire had long ago fallen and the papal states had existed for a long time. This makes it kind of odd that the one patriarch that did not live in the Roman empire claimed to be the only one who could crown the Roman emperor alone.

@blasty137 5 месяцев назад

@sir_dreadlord_on_blitz7042 Год назад

3:02 i love how he hintet at one very special comic series i Love

@MMajor13 Год назад

I think you missed one. I forget where I read this, but apparently one of the relatives of Constantine XI (the guy who died defending Constantinople in 1453) claimed to be the successor, and in his will gifted the title to the King of Spain and his descendants. Seeing as how this claim was never formally abandoned, and how there is still a King of Spain, they are arguably yet another claimant.

@Cheddarwars Год назад

I was looking for this comment

@alechboy3578 11 месяцев назад

The Roman Empire started in 70 BC and ended in 1453. This should be the actual video and that's it. No successors

@Blox117 11 месяцев назад

@@alechboy3578 arguably they were long gone before that. the romans that most people know only existed around 500 years

@Bayard1503 10 месяцев назад

Yes but the question is did that guy have the right to gift the title?? Did he really hold it?

@michaelturniansky7959 10 месяцев назад

2:50 love the shout out to Asterix

@capsaicin938 Год назад

The Empire of Brazil is the true successor to Rome Rome fell in 1889 but it'll come back again in back in Brazil

@XxLIVRAxX 11 месяцев назад

Based take!

@nenenindonu Год назад

Parameters of Roman succession should be ; - Amount of ruled Mediterranean territory - Control over a former Roman capital - Longevity & centuries of superpower status

@user-zp9nf5qo8j Год назад

Ottomans

@fildafernandes4366 Год назад

@@user-zp9nf5qo8j 2nd would we byzantine I think

@nenenindonu Год назад

@@fildafernandes4366 Byzantine's already the Roman empire lol

@FederationMapping Год назад

-Share of Roman culture and language

@deiansalazar140 Год назад

All hail the Roman Umayyad Empire!

@holakfun8243 Год назад

I mean Rome never has to fall. If you are of Western or Southern European heritage their is a huge chance that you are somehow related at least a few of its past emperors

@mappingshaman5280 Год назад

I mean half of them liked boys and the other half got killed by other Romans.

@marcusaurelius4941 Год назад

genetics and intermixing work in such a way that it becomes irrelevant to even say that you're related to an emperor when 2000 years have passed

@yoghurtmaster1688 Год назад

nah its long dead

@lynxcato3327 Год назад

Western Rome survived in the form of Catholic Europe and Eastern Rome survived in the form of Orthodox Europe.

@yoghurtmaster1688 Год назад

@@lynxcato3327 no bro they are dead

@cantrait7311 11 месяцев назад

Wow well researched Rome is still here today just got back

@garblites 3 месяца назад

You spoiled oversimplifieds 3rd Punic war for me, thanks :(

@luisayala7226 3 месяца назад

😞😞😞

@cringebaby7462 Год назад

You didn't include one that I consider pretty interesting: The Spanish monarchs technically have a claim to Rome. After Constantinople fell in 1453, the Despot of Morea and younger brother of Emperor Constantine XII, Palaeologus, was still alive and inherited the title of Roman Emperor by virtue of being Constantines' closest surviving relative. After Morea fell to the Ottomans, he went into exile somewhere in Italy (forgot precisely where). In his will, he stated that his title of Roman Emperor would go to Queen Isabella of Castille and King Ferdinand II of Aragon. Thus this title would eventually pass down from king to king, finding itself in limbo a few times during the war of Spanish succession, its 2 republics and a 20th century dictatorship. However, currently, as Spain is still a functioning Monarchy, our boy Phillip is the real Roman Emperor if you ask me. Now, this story may not be exactly correct, but I know the gist of.

@monetizedyay6827 Год назад

The person you're talking about is Andreas Palaiologos, he had a claim but never the title, and it wasn't his to give away. The Western Europeans misidentified the title as hereditary but it wasn't.

@cringebaby7462 Год назад

Huh, interesting.

@alithos5478 Год назад

@@monetizedyay6827 except it was "You recall the the title of Roman Emperor is passed down from Emperor to heir right? Not by conquest. The Eastern Romans (Or Byzantines for the uncultured swine) didn't become the successor because of conquest, but because Theodosious I gave the eastern lands and title of Emperor to his son Arcadius. So to be truly known as the Emperor of Rome, you need to receive the title from a previous emperor or be recognized by the Roman Senate, preferably both. Since the Ottomans abolished the Senate and the last emperor Constantine XI was never found again, the Ottomans have no right to the Title of Emperor of the Romans. Neither does France, the HRE, Italians or the Russians. The Spanish monarchs received the title from the last emperor, therefore giving them the strongest claim to the Throne of Rome."

@monetizedyay6827 Год назад

@@alithos5478 Did you not read a single thing I said? The Spanish monarchs did not receieve the title from the last emperor, they were willed the claim from his impoverished nephew, he himself sold it to the French beforehand, it was completely illegitimate.

@alithos5478 Год назад

@@monetizedyay6827 I copied and pasted another comment which essentially is the same thing as the last emperor's rights were hereditary and technically his nephew had it. Additional no the sale to the French was void. "ANDREAS PALAIOLOGOS the claimant of the Byzantine throne and nephew of Constantine XI, in his will, written on 7 April 1502, he once more gave away his claim to the imperial title, this time to Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile, designating them and their successors as his universal heirs. The choice to grant the title to the Spaniards was probably made due to the recent Spanish successes in conquering Granada in 1492 and Cephalonia in 1500. Negotiating with French Cardinal Raymond Peraudi inthe sale of the crown, Peraudi secured that, in return for Andreas abdicating his titles to the imperial thrones of Constantinople and Trebizond, and the Despotate of Serbia, Andreas would receive 4300 ducats annually (almost 360 ducats a month), out of which 2000 ducats would be paid immediately when the abdication was ratified. Additionally, Andreas was promised a personal guard of a hundred cavalrymen, maintained at Charles's expense, and was promised lands either in Italy or in some other place, which in addition to his pension would generate an annual income of 5000 ducats. Furthermore, Charles was to use his military and naval forces to recover the Despotate of the Morea for Andreas. In return for being granted his ancestral lands (once he had been restored in the Morea), Andreas's feudal tax to Charles would consist of one white saddle horse every year. Charles was also to use his influence with the pope to raise Andreas's papal pension to its original sum of 1800 ducats annually (150 monthly). The transfer of Andreas's titles was to be considered legal unless Charles rejected it before All Saints' Day the following year (1 November 1495)."