Omg 10k views, thanks a ton for the support!! This is the most I've ever gotten on any video before! Working to get that villain video out soon! (And deciding on something better than Cooperation vs Willingness, maybe Glory vs. Fate?)
An example of a classical hero I use is Johnathan Joestar from JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure. He works in a team, is always a gentleman, treats his girlfriend with respect, and even shows compassion for the villain (Dio), even while he’s dying.
that's why jonathan is the heart of the franchise, behind every ulterior motive and goal, there is always that pure, strong and resonating force of good
gordon freeman literally has a quote about being a everyman. "the right man in the wrong place can be all the difference in the world." he never speaks, so anybody can be in that situation.
Oddly enough Green Lantern who is powered by his will is quite often on the reluctant side due to him fighting himself after Parallax, while not a one to one and skipping over his fear and being possed by Parallax having him take a yellow ring instead, Injustice 2 does an incredible job showing this when he fights Atrocious
well the audience likes a anti hero more than the actual hero, so maybe doing a story where the anti hero is a side character thats close to the protagonist might not be a good idea cause then he'll take the spotlight
It depends on which Spider Man you're talking about. Miles Morales and Tom Holland's Peter Parker are definitely reluctant heroes, but older Spider Men can be considered to be in the Everyman genre
The kind of hero I'm thinking about writing is kind of a fusion of Anti and Classical, of those two extremes. He values his friends, family, and lover, sometimes even more than his own life: That being said, he's an assassin and a manipulator who would *almost* stop at nothing to kill his enemies (the only people who could convince him to spare his enemies would be his friends, family, and future wife, but even this isn't totally a guarantee). He's kind of like a cat: Loyal to the house but still got a naughty mind of his own 🐱
I think that the epitome of the "everyman" hero is Emmet from the Lego movie, he spends the whole movie thinking that he has to live up to the expectations that come from being "the chosen one" just to learn that the whole prophecy wasn't real and he wasn't special, and despite that he managed to do something special. What a nice movie.
Very interesting video. I find myself liking the bottom grid type of heroes instead of the higher ones because they are more relatable with human struggles and more interesting to dive in. Make one about villain 😮
I don’t find the highest grid heroes to lack human struggle. Superman (in The Justice League cartoon) is a superhero and he fears the damage he can wreak by not knowing his own strength. Gilgamesh fears death and Achilles wants to avenge his friend Patroclus (Gilgamesh and Achilles are both epic heroes.)
Tragic heroes can also be heroes who are subject to a horrible life where one bad thing happens after another, making their life tragic in the way that they're constantly beaten down rather than killed.
This is a good video to learn other types of heroes. Some of the types, such as the epic and romantic, should have their own TV tropes page dedicated to them.
The heroes I resonated with were the romantic hero and the anti hero. Other examples of an actual anti hero (not on occasion) would be The Punisher, and The Man with No Name.
@@ShadowHunter24681 The guy said in the video himself anti heroes give up on being good because they feel they don't get rewarded for being good but in there own way they make the world better. They just may or may not realize it yet.
@@spikerobot4113 while I understand what you’re getting at, I’m saying that someone like red hood fits the anti hero role better than frank since one focuses on doing the right thing even if it means killing the criminals to control the crime rate while the other just kills and kills and keep on killing even if it means that he’s tarnishing another hero’s name or the one he’s killing decided to turn their life around to be better than a random villain before even coming across him.
before the types of heroes are shown, Kirby is on the middle, leaning towards the top left. most of the time he won't budge until the food is stolen or his peace is interrupted. whenever he does do something, he goes all the way through to the end sometimes going out of the way to help more people (or grab some food), be it alone or with friends.
this video definitely helped me figure out what i've been doing with one of the characters i'm writing about. i had an idea but this definitely helped me solidify it thank you!
a character who fits as a reluctant and later on a catalyst hero is paul atreides from the dune series. he's a reluctant hero because, i think, he only steps up to embrace his destiny when it's pretty much clear that's the only way forward. as for why he's a catalyst hero, it's because he ends up setting the stage for his son, leto the second, to really affect change in the universe. leto also ends up being a catalyst hero because his actions end up leading to an event called 'the scattering', which is what his golden path was setting the stage for: pushing humanity to spread out across the stars and diversify, thus saving it from an inevitable cataclysm that was coming.
I think that you could make a combination to a lot of the hero stereotypes like a classical anti hero a person that is blessed by the heavens with strength but isn’t really morally set in their actions or like a a romantically epic a person that rejects the gods ideals that they come from to make the world better
I thought that this was a very interesting video, but one thing in particular that bugged me was the spectrums of willingness and cooperation. I don't think that a hero type (in the way that you've outlined them) has anything to do with either of those categories. A superhero can be willing just as a tragic hero can be uncooperative. Otherwise, this was an excellent video from a disproportionately small channel. Keep up the good work.
i thought hed put a superhero as a filter like you can have a tragic superhero or a classic superhero or a reluctant superhero. he also contradicted himself by putting invincible a clear super hero into reluctant hero
@Just-_-450 Thanks for the comment! You make a fair point! I was on the fence on how I wanted to organize the categories until I went with the choices I made. I may want to revisit this and retool the axiis in the future. It's not exactly where it should be. Realistically, most characters aren't just in one singular category as it's less than 9 distinct sections and more a bunch of color pallets a character pulls from, but that may require a different type of chart.
@tommygun7697 I think that superhero would be an interesting category separation. Maybe I'll consider adding it when I come back to this one. I do think, speaking as someone who's only watched Invincible, that it really seems like Mark is fighting himself most of the time. Or getting himself beaten to a pulp because he refuses to act. If we were to speak on specifics, he'd sit on the line between both Reluctant and Super for me personally, but I get what you mean that placing him in Superhero makes sense as well.
Tbh the main character of a story that is part of a larger alt history I’ve been making for fun is likely either an anti hero, or a tragic hero depending on perspective
An anti hero can really be someone wronged by the villians first. A kid can grow up thinking it's villians vs villians until he inadvertently creates a space the heroes like.
Question: Would a hero character that is either paid to do heroic actions or pushed by other hero characters (Like a friend or) fall into Anti-Hero? Or would it be another category?
I think it really depends. As long as they're not extorting the public to help them, I don't think that makes them less of a superhero. Though, it might make them less of a morally pure hero, which this graph doesn't measure.
An example of the tragic hero I had on my mind was Steven from SU, specifically Future. I can't really explain why but he _feels_ similar to the tragic hero.
It is a shame that *Guts (Berserk)* wasn’t mentioned in this spectrum because I kinda view him as an antihero in his current state of the series. Some say he’s reluctant, everyman, or a tragic hero in his life.
For fun here are examples based on characters I thought up. Classical-Aaron Rex-A religious simpleton with a pure heart and a drive to make things better. A natural at magic and worthy of Excalibur he is destine to defeat the Dark Lord and restore balance. Epic-Walt Fantasia-An allegory for Jesus who is an alien king with awesome powers. He seeks to broaden his horizons and balance his abilities and various parts of himself. And beat up bad guys too. Superhero-Star Queen-A god like alien princess who wants to help humanity and always tries to use her powers to help people and do the right thing. Kind and approachable but fierce in battle. Romantic-Gene Starwind (got his name from Outlaw Star) In Jedi terms he would have an orange lightsaber. A good guy (mostly) who does things his own way. While flawed will do anything to help/protect his friends. Everyman-Abelard Absalam-While highly intelligent (he build a time machine) his weaknesses seem to outweigh his strength. But deep down has the heart of a hero and is willing to lay his life on the line to save the world. Reluctant-Banana Jim (not a monkey) Intelligent but incredibly lazy, he'd rather take a nap than fight evil. His father was a noble knight who died in battle, he doesn't want to be a hero but time and time again rises to the occasion. Tragic-Sham-Sometimes our paths are chosen for us. A princess kidnaped and brainwashed and in her own terms "is broken." Despite this she wants to help as much as she can, even if it costs her her life. Catalyst-Saitama (got his name from 1 Punch Man) A man who thought his destiny was to restore balance to the multiverse, but his ego got in the way. Before dying he cast a spell so only a worthy replacement can finish his work. Anti-Gregory-A man framed by his best friend. He becomes a hitman not out of revenge, but so his "friend" won't screw over anyone else. Along the way he becomes darker & more intense but just might redeem himself in the end.
Something I've been thinking about is where would rimuru be on this? He is a catalyst for much of the stuff early in his series. But he also lost some of his humanity and died in the first episode (the series is about his life after being reincarnated). Yet he would kill however many of almost anything required to save people he cares about but is a kind person unless provoked in a hostile way (he even plans to achieve world peace), and he cannonically is fated to die if he doesn't become a demon lord (which he only does in the main timeline) but eventually becomes a god
Great video man.... I am writing a story and this helped me to visualise my different characters .... And btw I am your 781st subscriber.... Can you make a video on villains too
I like how Deku / Izuku from MHA actually fits both the superhero category of heroes & the romantic category due to his goals not aligning with hero society & his motivations to try to save Shigaraki causing hero society to hopefully change.
I was thinking about one of my own characters, and I'm honestly kind of confused as to where he would land here. in terms of morality and behaviour he's definitely an anti-hero, having a bit of a sadistic streak kept in check by his morals directing it at irredeemable villains. but by this chart he's also completely proactive and willing to lead the fight against the main antagonist alongside a good number of other characters, putting him at classical hero
all i can think of when i see that intro is Audi famam illius. Solus in hostes ruit et patriam servavit. Audi famam illius. Cucurrit quaeque tetigit destruens. Audi famam illius. Audi famam illius. Spes omnibus, mihi quoque. Terror omnibus, mihi quoque. Ille iuxta me. Ille iuxta me. Socii sunt mihi, qui olim viri fortes rivalesque erant. Saeve certando pugnandoque splendor crescit.
To add another example of a good reluctant hero for me would be Trevor Belmont from the Netflix Castlevania. At first he just wanted to wallow in his own misery after his family was excommunicated and executed by the church. To drink and sleep underneath a tree while Dracula slaughtered the world. After all humanity literally brought this destruction on themselves. But Sypha and the other speakers showed reminded him that there are still good people out there who are worth saving. So he takes up his family legacy and even goes on to defeat both Dracula and Death himself.
Great video!! Where would you put the Byronic hero? A hero who just doesn't fill the shoes of heroism? Who aren't morally questionable, but just aren't strong, brave, or, well, "heroic"?
A hero who born a hero but want non hero life or a hero that didn't ask to be a hero always have soft spot in my hearth. In every culture including mine, a heroic figure mostly come from someone who willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good of everyone, or someone who is born and educated right to be a great person so that they can be a help for goodness of others, but a hero is still a person, they're still human behind their hero status, what if the hero doesn't want to be a hero in the first place, they just become a hero because that is the role given for them and that is what society want them to do. Being a hero is a gift as much as is a curse, and they can't escaped it not without a cost, they're reluctant about it and have a reason for it, and that reason is that people always the one that made the decisions for them, they have no freedom in their life despite being a hero. This would change the reluctant hero into many possible shape of hero in future, and sometime even reshaped them into becoming a villain, because for then, living a hero life is like becoming everyone guard dog with leash made out of steel, and if they manage to break out from it there is always the cost. Take metroman from the movie megamind for example, the reason he faking his death is because he craving a freedom in his life after becoming a hero for so long doing the same thing with megamind to the point that he even know megamind personally. With his super speed he could just kill megamind and stop him into getting to his life forever, but he didn't. Because metroman might know that if he kill megamind, there is possibility that there is other villain who will come after him which mean he got no rest from a hero life, that why, he faking his death so that he can finally retired. Is not like he doesn't know the cost, he know megamind so well that he knew that if he leave nothing bad will happen and to his surprise megamind even becoming a hero to replace him which give metroman a freedom he always wish for. But, metroman is just one example and there is other hero who is not as lucky as him with some even more tragic than the other. I can't remember the characters so lets use classic fantasy rpg instead. At some point in every classic fantasy rpg story you will meet with some character that once a hero but turn into a villain. This hero once is adored and respected by peoples around them, sometime they even worship them and the hero do their best to honor them. But, people asking and demanding too much from the hero, they always put heavy expectations on them and when everything gone wrong they will blame it on the hero. The hero just want to do their role because that is what their life is but people expecting too much and it lead the hero down to the road of darkness and stop being a hero but people still not satisfied so they change call the hero into a villain instead and pick new hero to fight them. This is the reason why the reluctant hero have a soft spot in my hearth. Despite being a hero, they still a person nonetheless. They have soul, they have life, but society half of the time doesn't want to see that side of their hero and demanding them to be a proper hero according to their standard, and the hero have no choose except to agree or to rebel against it.
Good question, I think Percy sits in Classical, but I think he takes a lot from Epic and Romantic. Godhood makes his feats impressive for his age, and Romantic due to his struggle with being a half-blood.
I'm going to do this but with Pro Wrestlers Classical: John Cena/ Cody Rhodes Epic: Hulk Hogan Superhero: John Cena (on occasion), face Andre the Giant Romantic: Stone Cold/CM punk Everyman: Dusty Rhodes Reluctant: Shawn Michaels(Triple H feud), Ricky steamboat, Kenny Omega Tragic: Mankind/Jeff Hardy Catalyst: Ric Flair (late career) Antihero: The Rock, Eddie Guerrero, Stone Cold (on occasion)
A new type of hero I've been trying to come up with is a superhero with superpowers that are based on the classical hero and anti-hero archetypes. His characterization traits range from classical, romantic, to everyman but is always willing to kill his villains should it ever be necessary. His name is Carval.
2:05, I’m not sure I agree with that. Gilgamesh’s quest for immortality in the wake of Enkidu’s death works pretty well for me as does Achilles raging against Hector for killing Patroclus
Star wars heroes for each type Classical: Luke skywalker Epic: Revan Super: Luke skywalker Romantic: Anakin Skywalker Everyman: Cal Kestis Reluctant: Luke skywalker Tragic: Anakin skywalker Catalyst: Obi wan Kenobi Anti: Meetra Surik Sidenote: the fact that Luke skywalker wasn't in the classical category is INSANE he is literally THE classical hero, the description you gave for the classical hero was, bar for bar, Luke skywalker
Well, just as Obi Wan Kenobi, he's clearly hybrid. Obi Wan is only a catalyst in the latter part of his life. In the prequels, he's more of a reluctant type of hero.
Bcuz of this very interesting video about superheroes, I wanna know your opinion on my original story im working on. A comic series called Gradient that has two main characters, one falls into the classical hero category while the other is the anti-hero/tragic villain of the two. What makes it different (I think) is the fact these two are brothers but due to their clashing paths they tend to have numerous feuds. Kazuya Rekka is the older brother who dont believe in the superheroes in their world to be noble and selfless, instead they’re only there for the glory and riches. Kazu Rekka is the younger brother who still believes the good in superheroes are real, thus becoming a hero himself to save those in need and prove his brother wrong. Saving him from the darkness. Hope you like it 😁
Aside from their conflicting ideologies, I think it's good to establish not just what a character believes, but what made them think that way. That can be more interesting. Maybe the brothers share an event that they both perceived differently ala Mob Psycho 100, Mob went berserk with his powers and hurt Ritsu, but that caused him to bottle his powers/emotions away, while Ritsu doesn't remember and envies his brother's abilities. Food for thought
Quick question, who had the most Arcs? I found Achilles from The Song of Achilles with a grand total of five out of nine. I need to know what the maximum is.
Anti-heroes include characters like Lelouch Lamperouge (spoilers). These were characters who used immoral means in order to achieve their goal. Anti-heroes are characters with good intent who do villain-like activities to achieve their final goal. In this case, Lelouch became a villain and forcefully ruled the world in hopes that people would unite together and form peace after his death. A hero meanwhile will try to achieve their goals using a direct straight path, and overtake any obstacles in a way beneficial to himself and those who want to help. An anti-hero meanwhile will follow a less indirect path and are willing to sacrifice those around him.
@@ZayanYahya-g3v That example sounds like a villain (rather than an anti-hero.) But accepting that an anti-hero is someone who does villain-like things to achieve heroic goals, is Harry Potter an anti-hero? Since he uses two of the three unforgivable curses.
@@matityaloran9157 Villains do bad things in order to achieve selfish goals. Anti-hero's do bad things for the greater good. Harry Potter isn't an anti-hero, he had good intentions and was a classical hero throughout his journey. Just because a hero did something bad doesn't make him an anti-hero. Harry used the curses in a heroic way and wished to save everybody. Meanwhile an Anti-hero may use the curses extensively, or use crude methods to stop the villain. They wouldn't mind sacrifice. A better way to sum it up, a villain would be the one holding hostages, a hero would try to help those being held as hostages, an Anti-Hero would kill them and villain if it ensured his victory.
@@ZayanYahya-g3v All right then. Is Eragon an anti-hero? Since when Galbatorix threatens to kill children to get Eragon to surrender, Eragon refuses to do so (despite believing Galbatorix) because he’s not convinced Galbatorix would keep his word even if Eragon acquiesced and even if he did, he’d do more evil things later on.
@@matityaloran9157 Yes, kind of, since he unlike a traditional hero, is not here to do unnecessary effort in order to gain extra Aura when the path ahead is easier
Herakles is much different from what people think, like as you showed a picture of Disney's Hercules, which is not an accurate representation of him. Herakles was a very tragic hero but through him defying the odds he became a hero and we can relate to him for overcoming his 12 Labour's and apon his death he became a god
I think ant hero can be in all eight parts of the spectrum of cooperation and willingness ie red hood who will work with others either his family or criminals and is willing to be a hero but with anti hero parts
Since Saitama is a parody of the Superhero trope you could put him there, but I think he has been in three categories. He starts as an Everyman before training, Superhero as his training gets better, and by the time the series starts he is a Tragic hero who loses purpose after becoming the strongest.
What if someone has to take the role of a hero because they did something that prevented the original hero from hero-ing? For example: oops, the chosen one slipped on a banana peel that I recklessly threw away and broke his spine! But oh no, someone still has to deal with the bad guys!
fun fact the picture of "hercules" you showed was actually heracles from Greek mythology, the directors were just not actually intelligent in the mythology catagory
