I don't know about that one man, I mean Genos always does this, in the tounrnment in the second season of OPM, Genos thought that Suiyru was going to "satisfy Saitama's desires" or something like that, which implies he (Suiyru) could make a work of Saitma, which we all know is not true at all.
@@user-ew9vx8gs2fI mean Saitama did get his own meaning of martial art ( though a really shallow approach) from him so Genos was kinda right on his way.
One of my understandings from the elder centipede fight was that bang and bomb were poorly suited to fight such a massive creature since they are martial artists. In my mind this is why bang can fight awakened garo later but cant beat elder centipede with bomb, they are designed to fight humonoid opponents. Dont know if this is a real thing or just my own assumptions
@@OctalysisPrimeYTmonster Garou, who had exceeded both Bang and Bomb, and Sage Centipede had his shell cracked by Metal Bat with his regeneration core removed. It’s not exactly 1 to 1.
@@OctalysisPrimeYTThat was prolly due to his All Life Eradication Fist, which was completed Martial arts, also he was monsterized. Also his power scale was enough to shake Earth or cause tremors all around the Earth so his pure strength is also very strong, comparable to almost Saitama to normal punch but few level below his And beating The centepides requires Pure strength like King and Saitama, so Garou did it cause of his strength not his martial arts
Its not impressive at all actually, because Saitama litteraly said he wasn't trying to kill Rover, just knock him out. By the same logic, Bakuzan, Sourface and Chose are all rover level since they got up after Saitama punched them. Rover's true feat is tanking Garou, Bang and Bomb, which should put his durability above Elder Centipede.
Saitama was holding back heavily. He basically viewed Rover as a misbehaving puppy. That punch was not intended to kill or even seriously harm Rover. It was like giving a naughty child a little spank.
@@squilliamfancyson1080Okay, but the same punches from Bang and Bomb that cracked Elder Centipede's shell did literally NOTHING to Rover. Rover has S tier durability if he can tank attacks from Bang and Bomb like nothing
Golden S being multi-continental isn't that big of a stretch, since again, cities in OPM are COUNTRY sized. So being dragon level already puts you at the very least in continental
Exactly. Also also, moving at a speed of light easily puts you in multi-continental scale, according to IRL physics. The closer you move to the speed of light, the more mass you form. So, if Golden S were to slam dunk the planet/city etc, at that speed it would be no different to Omni-man flying through the Flaxan’s planet and demolishing continents in mere moments
i like this bc it means that watchdogman (best character, fight me) stops every single monster in the entire country (and there's no way city Q is the size of a small country its probs the size of brazil or something )
Phoenix Man talked about the importance of matchups when he picked up Garou - it suggests characters that, overall scale higher can still be defeated by someone lower ranked, or distracted. For all we know, Psykos wanted to call Overgrown Rover because there's a chance Tatsumaki would be distracted by the sight of that cute puppy enough to give her the upper hand. Also, Psykos is clearly very bad with dogs, which is why Rover, the goodest boy, doesn't respect her authority.
Don’t forget Suiryu saw Saitama one-shot Bakuzan (on top of fought and lost to Saitama prior) and he STILL 100% believed that Gouketsu would still kill Saitama and was basically mourning for Saitama. So it’s not just Genos but also Suiryu (who was one of the few characters who immediately knew Saitama being very strong so his “genius perception” is probably stronger than his skills much like a Black S. In that way, Gouketsu is legendary in everyone who talks about him (including Gyro Gyro and Orochi called him by name). I feel like with a lack of feats, in everyone’s mind he was top dog.
Gyro Gyro also saw King straight up and misjudged King’s strength. So I think Gyro Gyro “analyzes” in a logical fashion as opposed to truly reading power levels.
@@jx8903possible. But I still think almost no one truly demonstrated power reading abilities. Monster god misjudged, Gyro Gyro makes mistakes. No one can just scan King and just realize that he is weak and Saitama is strong. The only people who noticed Saitama is really strong is Carnage Kabuto’s survival instincts, and also Suiryu (but he still felt Saitama would die FOR SURE against Gouketsu even though he saw Saitama no diff himself and the other six arms guy (too lazy to look up exact spelling now)
@@OctalysisPrimeYT Gyoro Gyoro does have power reading abilities, it's stated, the entire MA ranking system is based on her power reading hax, she making a mistake with Tatsumaki just means that she is THAT strong for her power to not be read properly by her (and she is), Boros could also sense Saitama's strenght but couldn't measure exactly how strong he was, well, this is the same with GG and Tats.
One thing about Gouketsu is that he was most likely meant to be either Silver Fang or Darkshine’s matchup. Neither had a designated opponent, and I doubt Psychos would just ignore those two and hope for the best. Given how well Psycho’s other matchups went, Gouketsu probably scales above Darkshine and possibly even Silver Fang.
I'd say he'd be Darkshine's, with Elder Centipede being Bang's. Elder is a better match-up against Bang, and Darkshine's only loss until that point was to a martial artist in Bang.
He was neither of their matchups. He was beyond that kind of thing as far as gyoro was concerned. There weren't any "good" or "bad" matchups for him bcs he was too strong for any lone S class to handle. Gyoro was only worried at the prospect of multiple S class heroes ganging up on him at the same time. She was so unconcerned about him dying that she didn't bother making a contingency for his death. Which is why when he did die unexpectedly she knew she was in some deep shit
Extra note about Gouketsu: when Genos imagines the S class heroes facing him, Tatsumaki is there and Genos has seen Tatsumaki stop the shells from Boros’ ship and assault it from the ground, possibly putting Gouketsu above the attack that wiped out city A, at least in terms of attack potency (obviously not scale). Doesn’t really change the ranking, but just something I thought of while editing.
What you say is perhaps true about homeless emperor. easiest & simplest way to determine how his bombs can be countered by characters like Spring Mustachio & Iaian and be considered to be a threat to Fatigued Tatsumaki and demolish Vomitted Furhrer Ugly is that he can pretty much regulate or manipulate his output casually. This would be the easiest explanation to how his scaling can vary and be inconsistent, and the form in which he casually manhandled Vomitted Furher Ugly who could clash with Darkshine should put him much higher as he accomplishes this feat pretty casually without using his full power.
1.)Psyrochi is the most powerful. 2.) Orochi/ God Boosted plus Elixir Psykos. Orochi was winning the merger until she was boosted by god meaning she became his equal or greater. 3.) Sage Centipede/ EOW. Both scale above Platinum S. 4.) Platinum S. 5.) Gyro Gyro thought she was greater than heavily suppressed Tatsumaki. 6.) Elder Centipede. Psykos believed only the 4 most powerful S class heros could defeat it. 7.) Overgrown Rover 8.) Golden Sperm/ Homeless Emperor. Golden has great durability and strength but Holmeless has greater attacl power. They also pretty much acted as equals. 9.) VFU 10.) ENW 11.) Nyan 12.) Black Sperm 13.) Fhrur Ugly 14.) Gums Gokestu is hard to scale he's probably on par with Golden Sperm and Homeless or above. His lack of feats, statements, or abilities make it very hard to rank vs say someone like Nyan who IMO clearly defeats base black S, Gums, amd Fhrur Ugly being a terrible match up for them. He beats Homeless as well but Homeless can nuke him and win as well.
I’m only here to say no matter the ranking , when it comes to pure terror there’s no monster that compares to furher ugly . That thing was disturbed & I got my own theory that the Ugimon are the only true monsters in OPM verse . Cause the stuff he was doing was straight up sick
Amazing video, you really put a lot of thought into how you scale the cadres and look at every angle and argument and I agree with your takes 100%. Also Nyaan should be zeroth place not 1st smh.
Platinum Sperm is faster than Golden Sperm, and likely similarly durable tooo, but can't possibly be physically stronger. Golden Sperm one shot Darkshine, who is stated plainly, multiple times, to be the most durable of all heroes. Platinum Sperm's attacks were tanked by the likes of Atomic Samurai, Flashy Flash, and even PURI PURI PRISONER AND IAIAN. Bottom class S heroes can survive his hits.
Nobody ‘tanked’ Platinum S, he pretty much one shot everyone besides Flash who’s more durable than Darkshine via taking Awakened Garou’s MCGSF when Spiral Garou was able to match Darkshine’s physical strength and draw blood from him with certain weaker martial arts technique
Black S should be higher. He’s basically unkillable if he plays his cards right. Psykos is most definitely not stronger than Elder Centipede stop making shit up. She has no feats other than a shitty statement that can easily be disproven by the fact that Tatsumaki is stronger than Psykorochi who’s multiple times stronger than Psykos. Nyan also has a god awful spot, he shouldn’t be compared with these fodder.
A very good video honestly. You took your time comparing them all. However, there are a few things that should be mentioned: - First, where is Nyan? Low tier? Mid tier would also be possible. - Secondly, Further Ugly is also mid tier. You forgot to mention that he is one of the fastest cadre with high attack speed as well as flexible movements. His durability is also one of the highest. You don't kill him that fast. He tooks Bang's attacks, after that he was eaten directly by Gums and survived his bite force, fought his way out of it, and survived his stomach acid as well. More importantly, he formed a symbiosis with it. And the fact that he comes back stronger and stronger the more damage he suffers mentally and physically coupled with his durability is pretty damn powerful. You have to kill him immediately, if you can't, he'll keep coming back until he's overtaken his opponent in power. And the fact that "his" acid is also affected by that and gets also stronger, is really fucking crazy. This also means that he can theoretically defeat Goketsu, especially because he attacks unpredictably, as if driven by pure madness. And thanks to his meat manipulation, he can grow to a similar size. Goketsu's attacks wouldn't be enough to kill Ugly directly and if he thinks that, he maybe won't see Ugly's attacks coming fast enough.
armored gorilla above deep sea king? Genos defeated armored and got obliterated by deep sea. And melzangard is way too low he fought several s classes including bang who was able to go toe to toe with monster garo.
I really enjoyed how detailed this video went through things. I only wish he didnt seperate the uglys and black/gold/platinum s to have room to include orochi and Nyan
Gyo Gyos remark on who could kill goketsu shouldn't be taken too serious since it can mean anything. Was gyo gyo surprised that goketsu got killed at all or did had gyo gyo had people like blast, tatsumaki, metal knight or king in mind and asked herself who of them was it.
Doesn't matter who she had in mind. She simply didn't think it was possible for him to be threatened outside the scenario of multiple S class hero's swarming him all at once. She thought it was so unlikely that he could be killed she never prepared for the eventuality that he would die before the war. And when he did she had to *abandon* her original warplans because she knew they weren't going to cut it
rover is the only cadre that taken a punch by saitama and leaves like nothing even if saitama is holding back and which you can agree he is holding back the entire anime i think rover deserves more
This is by far the most accurate ranking I've seen, though my only question would be where does Nyan seriously rank? I'd assume Nyan ranks above ENW but below VFU
Nyan doesn't have many showings unfortunately. The best I can say about him is that he scales to Drive Knight, who can tango with Jet Psyrochi. But Jet Psyrochi doesn't really have concrete scaling either. If I had to say, I'd probably have Nyan above Gums in the ranking. He could be higher, but we just didn't get enough from him for me to rank him any higher personally.
Their strenght are kinda different tho.. Psykos was able to stop Tatsu when she took down the other cadre easily.. but that is because she is a psychic aswell. Elder Centipede also gave Bang and Bomb a harder time due to his size.. and Bang defeated 2 Cadres. Fuhrer Ugly also has the advantage against Amai Mask.. and Evil Water and Sperm has the advantage against physical fighters but not tankier ones like Darkshine or long range/crowd control/destruction type like Genos or Tatsu.
Of all the executives, I must say that Furher ugly, despite being the most cruel and evil monster, I can feel some empathy when thinking about his past, maybe he must have suffered a lot to reach that level of evil
Gouketsu was so strong and brutal he made Genos make the stup,idest mistake of thinking he ain't fodder for Saitama. 🤣👌 Only thing left of Gouketsu after facing Saitama is his head. 😆
@@riderblade0332 The punch that knocked out Rover was supressed, he specifically viewed Rover as a dog and simply told him to sit. Orochi even says later that he held back on Rover (though I think this might be gone in the redraw). The punch that took out Elder was a serious punch. It's stated in the manga when he punches Elder.
as someone who mostly remembers the webtoon over the manga, these placements are all pretty out of order from where I would have imagined them in my head. The manga panel where golden sperm oneshots fuhrer ugly? yeah in the webtoon it's the exact same scene except the person he oneshot was tatsumaki. An injured tatsumaki to be fair, although in the webtoon he's easily scaled well above all the other cadre without a single doubt
The panel of Golden S one shotting Ugly is actually fan made and supposed to mirror the webcomic. . The actual scene in he manga is super underwhelming. Golden S just throws a few punches at Ugly, knocks him to the ground and Ugly crawls away.
For the Rover and Elder Centipede thing, I think it's because elder centipede is just a ridiculously bad matchup for them on top of being extremely powerful
In my opinion and only taking into account the most powerful versions: 1: Psychorochi 2. Evil Ocean Water 3. Platinum Sperm 4. Overgrown Rover 5. Elder Centipide 6. Gouketsu 7. Gyoro Gyoro 8. Homeless Emperor 9. Vomited Fuhrer Ugly 10. Nyan 11. Gums I wouldn't consider Sage Centipide a Cadre because he was never mentioned before, but if he were on the list, he would be top 3 above Platinum Sperm Edit: I have put the explanations in my answers 👇👇👇
1. Psychorochi is undoubtedly the most powerful since it is the fusion of two top executives and can cut a part of the earth's surface with a single attack. 2. Evil Ocean Water is fucking broken, If it weren't for Saitama, I have no idea who would be able to kill it because it is LITERALLY WATER, HOW DO YOU FIGHT AGAINST THAT? 3. Platinum Sperm doesn't have much surprise, rivaled awakened Garou and is able to defeat the entire S class except Tatsumaki 4. Overgrown Rover is best boy, He has tanked a normal punch from Saitama and then stood up as if nothing had happened, that same punch killed Orochi before the redraw, that level of resistance and considering that his energy attacks are similar to those of Homeless Emperor, leaves him as a very balanced Cadre. 5. Elder Centipide was also a Cadre that presumably no one could defeat except Saitama, Tatsumaki and Blast, he's hard as fuck. 6. Gouketsu demonstrated that there were levels even among the dragon level, humiliating Bakuzan, another dragon level, but he died with a normal blow from Saitama. 7. Gyoro Gyoro is often underrated but is one of the most powerful espers, being able to cause a pressure of 300 atmospheres, but was easily humiliated by Tatsumaki. 8. Homeless Emperor has great reflexes and can manipulate energy balls capable of evaporating almost everything, but his physical resistance is that of a human, very unbalanced. 9. Vomited Fuhrer Ugly, I put him in this top because Homeless Emperor is capable of humiliating him by playing with him as if he were a toy with his energy balls, Although physically he is very strong and his gastric juices are capable of melting almost everything, Bang easily humiliated him by redirecting his attacks. 10. Nyan, very fast, cutting attacks, very agile and elusive, little more than that, he was afraid of Puri Puri Prisoner, the second weakest S class and Drive Knight cooked him. 11. Gums, he eats, and that's all Easily speedblitzable
The hing about that is: Awakening Breath is stated to draw out the body's maximum potential and the Heart Release Fist is stated to push the body beyond the limits, so in terms of sheer stats, Garou's body was at its limit and even beyond it. He had to have been going all out when it comes to sheer stats. Plus the only comparison ever made between sleeping Garou and awake Garou is that his muscle coordination is better when he's awake and he can presumably fight smarter. That's pretty much it from what I can tell.
What tier would pheonix man be? Personally I believe he'd be higher than golden S but lower than platinum S. Am referring to pre-redraw pheonix man by the way
I would definitely put Gouketsu above Elder centipede Bang/bomb couldn't do well vs EC because of their styles, they're martial artists, this is outright stated too (the fact that they're suited to fight humanoid opponents). I would also put gouketsu above rover, rover likely has more dura but gouketsu's AP, technique and IQ are all much higher. Fianlly, I would put black S much higher. Simply because the trillions of cells
For me golden s scale as strong or even weaker than gouketsu, he won against furrugly because he was unafected by the poison and beat a mentally destroyed black brillant but he was getting wrecked by atomic samouraï special blade, I don’t see golden S winning against elder centepide and I think gouketsu destroys him with his martial arts
Shouldn’t the fact that Psykos/Gyoro Gyoro thought King was capable of beating Elder Centipede call her ability to gage power into question? Or are we chalking this up to King’s weird brand of plot armor that prevents nearly anyone from figuring out he’s actually weak?
The canon explanation for King not getting found out by characters who can sense power is that they think he's just hiding it. We see it in a bonus chapter where Child Emperor makes a mask that measures power levels and King comes out as immeasurable because his power is too low to be measured, but Child Emperor just assumed he's to strong to be measured. And several characters throughout the series note that they can't sense any power coming from King and that he must be good at hiding it.
imo black s is just massivly underrated here. 54 trillion is an unimaginable amout. he is defenetly weird to rank cuase he is all endurance but in a 1v1 i think he could definetly beat the mid tier and some high tier. (if you say 1 billion cells are killded each day the fight would literally last 150 years)
True, but then his fights just become stalemates because he has no way to kill most of the upper Cadres. Plus if his opponent is fast enough or has wide enough range, they could potentially destroy all the Black S bodies present on the battle field right at the start and stop them from splitting too much that way. Even if there's theoretically trillions of cells, they don't matter if there's no Black S left to split.
Gyro gyro definitely miscalculated; wasnt metal knight on the list of heros that could 'take' Centichurro? How much damage did Lefoy's unit do to him when engaging? How can an esper respectfully think they can 'handle' Tats? Not a good showing of sensing power levels...
Gyoro thought Bofoi's full military might was the thing that could take down Centichoro. When Metal Knight fought him it was only a single drone. And we actually see that misses from said drone actually made Elder wince a little in the manga. So imagine hundreds of drones and whatever else Bofoi has in his arsenal.
I dont think psychos is anywhere near top 3, she is just fubuki level and even probably weaker. If its psychos with orochi then yes its gonna be top 2 or 3
She is actually stronger than Orochi, since she created him, and later overpowered and took his body. But yes, she is stronger than him only during the merger. She is Tatsumaki level otherwise, but with “future sight” ability
@@kingol4801 no bro. Even fubuki the b class hero is stronger than psychos. Thats the reason why she is so addicted to fubuki, also the reason she became a bad guy
I'm not that far in the manga yet but I think Homeless Emperor's orbs attack both the physical and the spiritual. They don't do that much damage to the physical aspect of the target but major spiritual damage to the target. That's my theory anyways.
Here's my rankings of MA cadres 13. Gums 12. Nyan 11. Hellfire Flame & Gale Wind 10. Fuhrer Ugly 9. Homeless Emperor 8. Phoenix Man 7. Gouketsu 6. Evil Natural Water 5. Elder Centipede 4. Overgrown Rover 3. Psykos 2. Black Sperm 1. Orochi Note : I think the relation between ENW and Elder Centipede is like EOW and Sage Centipede, so they are very close at all. And why Rover is above ENW and Elder? Because i assume that Rover just recognize Orochi and Psykos, not Elder Centipede or ENW. And... yes, Rover didn't recognize Black Sperm, because that creature is unexpected monster :v
Lets see how there most powerful forms died Gouketsu died to Saitama Elder Centipede died to Saitama Evil Ocean Water died to Saitama Platinum Sperm died to Garou Vomited Fuhrer Ugly died to Garou Homeless Emperor died to God Gums died to Vomited Fuhrer Ugly Nyan died to Drive Knight Overgrown Rover and Psychos are still alive
12:23 I thought that was Saitama'd punch? Personally I think Gouketsu is about Rover, ES, Gyoro Gyoro, Psykos and GS but this ranking still seem more fair than many I don't know why you would compare the Bang in ES fight and in Garou fight when you should already know that Fububi reinforced his old body and he could fully go 100% capacity by then
That's fair, but I personally do not think Gouketsu has the feats or narrative to place him that high. It is explicitely stated by Fubuki that the effect of her reinforcement is temporary. It shouldn't be a factor in anything after the Rover fight IMO.
@@SatorisYT I think just those feats are enough and combine with the fact that Gouketsu hadn't shown to go all out. Genos overrating him is enough for the narrative. Plus, his combat skills and battle Intelligence should be vastly superior to those I mentioned Who knows, she never said how long the effect last or she probably gave them again off-screen. It would be really weird that the only time Bang could go all out is when fighting Rover
@@tienluong9648 I personally don't believe so, as the Genos statement only puts Gouketsu a tier above Darkshine, whereas Elder and Rover scale multiple tiers above Darkshine. Bang says he'll go all out one last time against Garou. He is definitely going all out. Fubuki implies her boost does not last very long and she physically could not have given them another buff off-screen because she had spent all her energy healing Tank Top Master and Genos. Plus she also amped Tank Top Master against the remains of Psyrochi and then Tank Top lost it pretty quickly afterwards, so no, I do not believe Bang was amped by Fubuki against Garou.
@@SatorisYT He overrate Kouketsu's strength to near Saitama level, there's no way he's only above DS with just that. Fubuki the boost is temporary, nothing else. There's no specific time limit. And she could have amped them again before Genos and TTM, I don't really know what you meant by "against the remains of Psykorochi", I'm pretty sure she only amped TTM to Fat TTM and he never lose that form in the rest of the arc. Wait, but wasn't she trying to assist Bomb when fighting Garou? How could she have run out of energy by that point?
@@tienluong9648 The biggest feat Genos has seen Saitama perform is one-shotting Carnage Kabuto. The Death Punch is not scalable. No specific time limit doesn't mean it lasts long. You can't prove it either way. "Against the remains of Psyrochi" when Tatsumaki twists Psyrochi, she turns into a jet and then various heroes attack her. Fubuki amps Tank Top Master to throw rubble at her. Tank Top Master remaining fat for the rest of the arc means he remained fat for like 10-20 minutes max, which is longer than the time frame between Bang vs Rover and Bang vs Garou I believe. Fubuki passes out after healing Genos and she's always using other people's power to heal others after that point. She isn't completely out, yeah, but she should be extremely low on energy. Regardless, I don't see the point in continuing this discussion. The boost is unquantifiable, so it doesn't really change anything even if Bang was amped.
i think elder centepede should be lower because while he is very hard to take down, he is pretty bad at attacking and characters like goketsu should be able to completely blitz him or black s overwelming him
Because King is King. Besides, at that point Gyoro had never seen King up close or had any chance to read his power. The one time she sees him up close is right after Orochi's death. She's in a panic and only sees him for a few seconds, so unless her power reading is a passive ability, she wouldn't have had a chance to read his power then either.
@@ncm-uz6fm Another explanation is also possible - she cannot read opponents that are too strong, since their “aura” would engulf her as well. If an aura is a visible “field” around the person for her, then having an aura of the size of stadium would most likely imply that she cannot perceive it’s borders from within. Akin to how “nobody could estimate the power of Saitama, since nobody was close enough to even observe it” Essentially, because of “integer overflow”, it would be very plausible that her ability to sense EXACT power level would list people with power too high as “unquantifiable” So, her not being able to read King is plausible, and she would attribute it to him being too strong to measure his power (but, in actuality and comedically, he has absolutely no power to read).
I imagine it like "hes got the power of a completely average person! Hes so powerful that he can hide his true strength even from me. If i didnt know better, i could fall for his trap!" Something silly like that
No, they were both Demons. You gotta be Dragon level at least to be an Executive/Cadre. Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame were candidates for it, and Harigiri might have been one since he was entrusted to have monster cells. But that's it outside of the confirmed ones.
