@@plazma7778 Nah, these are mainstream sub-par "heavy releases" that range from the usual "slipknot" associated nu-"heavy" hair metal to the non-dynamic and stale deathcore.
the Sterling method: "steal" from every major IP holder and none of them would dare to take the whole video or they'll be in trouble with the other IP holders (probably unrelated but I just want to post this)
There is inaccurate but close (like GnR being Metal), and then there is flat out wrong (like the Hardcore punk / Hardstyle mixup) and sadly there are quite a few of those. Love your channel btw
i'm so glad anime girl enjoys such a wide range of musical styles equally and can appreciate the unique danceable qualities they each possess. good for her
i went from hard rock to experimental rock to experimental hip hop to noise to metal to solo kpop to country rock to metal to hyperpop to j-rock to pop-metal to horrorcore and noise
I love how there's an intricate explanation on the genre roots and definition, how It came to be made, and who or where it originated from, and then afterwards the sample is just some burping noises with some beeps in the background
Wow. Unbelievable. I'm so exhausted of NONE of the general public actually understanding what metal is and thinking everything is metal. First thing I see in the comment section for a 3 hour video of a deep dive that's supposed to be educational about music, present Live Without as a metal band? Baffling. Absolutley baffling.
The genres in the last few stages are basically: excuse to give your song the most vile and disgusting name so dark, forgotten and isolated that it doesn't even exist term one guy came up with and now it has to be recognized as a real genre -gore hits harder than -grind hits harder than -core trying to figure out the most "meta" way to make music
This video is insane. One critique. For Hardcore, the description was definitely for hardcore EDM and not hardcore punk/metal which were the examples given.
Yeah Hardcore is way different but the description matched (though it's definitely Dutch). Also UK Hardcore seems off, also definitely more Dutch. Great video!
As someone who's loved experimental music since a teenager I really appreciate this video and the timestamps. The examples of each genre remind me of artists I haven't listened to in a long time as well as hear beautifully odd sounds I haven't heard before and would love to explore further. Cheers!
I’ll be honest, I’ll never get over Vaporwave becoming a meme, I unironically really like that stuff and am sort of tired for being made fun of for it lol
@@adeonn I quite like Eco Virtual for having a sound that I would say is a bit more unique in the genera, more ambient at times, his work is sort of this 1990s weather channel type of feel to it. And I know this is a big one but Home. I know he had one of the most popular vaporwave songs out there being Resonance but he has SO much more to get into if you do a deeper dive into his work, not even really sure if it’s fit to call him vaporwave he is just his own thing
@@LoveSickWorld seeing the word Home anywhere warms my heart. Btw I always struggle dividing artists from Electronic Gems in genres. Like, for example, if you know Voyage, what is the music he makes? Synthwave, vaporwave, retrowave or like something else?
You did an awesome job at doing research for every genre on this iceberg. There are a lot of obscure music genres in this video that are really hard to find any info about lol. Some of these are really hard to get through. Plus, making a nearly 3-hour long video is no easy feat. So I respect you for that.
Heyyy i suggest you look up a site called “every noise” it has a lot of music genres (i’d say most of them) and they’re all categorized, with sample songs and artists!! It’s really cool
Stalaggh/Gulaggh has actually a pretty interesting background story. It are just recordings of people screaming. The recorded screams are those of people suffering from psychological illnesses in a mental hospital. Stalaggh was a project founded by some of the treating doctors in cowork with some underground producers. The patients were asked to scream all the pain, anger or desperstion dwelling inside them out of themselves as a form of group therapy. This was recorded and the result we can hear today. Some of the patients were interviewed later about the project and they described the experience as relieving.
This video is insane, I can't imagine the amount of hard work and research that must have been made for it. It's like the ultimate guide for all music genres that you can revisit anytime for discovering new stuff. Although I think some songs dont quit fit the genre they are put in, 32k is still an insult, this deserves waaaaayyy more views and likes.
Im not gonna brag about this video being wrong because its practically imposible to make a 2 hours long video and be perfectly right about everything, but like half of the info listed here is completely wrong
Just for anyone wondering, in Vocaloid we credit the producers, not the vocal synth (Eg. Hatsune Miku, Megurine Luka, Kagamine Rin and Len, MEIKO, KAITIO, etc.) used. As much as I know you put a fuck tonne of hard work into this video, the producers for each song shown there are Miku by Anamanaguchi, Crime and Punishment by DECO*27 (Deco Niina), World Is Mine by Ryo (Supercell) and Rolling Girl by Wowaka (RIP)
yea when i got to that part, i was prettyannoyed that hatsune miku was the credited one and not the artist, but remembering again this video must've taken a lot of time to produce, i can tolerate it
Incredible work Even tho a lot of people or complaining about how you miss represented their favorite genre, I think you did an amazing job in term of researching and sampling, and I really enjoyed watching this
@@odothedoll2738 The video would be much better if he became more familiar with the genres before he covered them. Him being a "random guy" doesn't mean that he's absolved from all criticism.
I did What i dont understand is why plunderphonics is below it. Thats literally what vaporwave is on a techincal level. Also, is noise REALLY more obscure than mallsoft??? That one is just baffling.
A lot of the genres in the deeper tiers are just the same in sound, only different in the intention put into their creation. I'm talking specifically about the 2 billion variations on death metal and the 1 trillion versions of increasingly obnoxious techno noise beats.
I thought I knew about some obscure and very specific genres but this is actually pretty interesting. always love learning more about music and possibly finding a new genre to listen to!
This guy covered many psychedelic sub genres, but he seriously forgot my favorite genre psychedelic rock. Okay this is genre belongs in tier 2. Psychedelic rock is a form of psychedelic drug inspired rock originating in the mid 1960s, characterized by messy distorted drumming, vibrant sound scapes, prog and classic rock inspired guitar, keyboard, and bass, and heavy amounts echo/reverb. The most well known artists of the genre are: the The Flaming Lips, Tame Impala, The Smashing Pumpkins, Mgmt, Sgt. peppers era Beatles, The Doors, 60s Pink Floyd, and some songs by Radiohead.
If you should try listening to DOPE LEMON if you don’t already. Not all of their songs are psychedelic rock but a few are. Maybe Coyote, Stonecutters, Honeybones, more. It’s psychedelic Not sure if it’s rock.. but you should check it out!!
The flaming lips, tame impala, and mgmt would be more properly described as “neo psych” as they use computers to achieve effects and details that just standard instruments and equipment couldnt normally produce by conventional means
In the Balkans there is a style of music called Turbo-folk (Serbia), Tallava (Albania), Chalga (Bulgaria), Tsiftetelia/laïko (Greece), Arabesque (Turkey) and Manele (Romania). It is a mix of East European, gypsy, Middle Eastern and Balkan music. It often features scantily-dressed women (or pimp-like men) performing belly-dancing. There are traditional elements in it (such as darbouka/zurna/sipsi/šargija etc.) usually mixed with commercial dance instrumentals.
True, I was wondering if it would show up. I live in Greece and like half radio stations play this damn laiko and similar music. I'm so fuckin tired of it and for some reason almost everyone I know loves it. Jfc. (Sorry but I had to get the anger out lol)
@@joy-wire I actually sing it (Chalga or 'pop-folk' kyucheks). It's a dime a dozen but the best ones are from either the 2000s or 90s. Today's stuff is far from palatable, though. I couldn't even number how many Bulgarian covers there are of Greek hits.
@@BloodMoonASMR Yea I agree, the older stuff is at least listenable. Also I've noticed that some greek hits are also covers or inspired by other songs (like Alkistis Protopsalti's Ola afta pou fovamai being like a cover of Nickelback's How you remind me). It's just because they overplay them that they get tiring. Also don't get me started on Romanian manele
I noticed you said death or black metal, but they are separate metal genres and all of the examples were death metal bands. No hate though, you did an amazing job on this video!
I found a tier list of music genres with my friend a while back, a lot of it was pretty obscure and brand new to us. I just found it on tiermaker and it was actually pretty interesting.
As a part of the vaporwave community I thank you so much for this masterpiece, and for including some of vaporwaves sub genres. Best wishes for your channel.
@@spaghettios The one mistake I'd say is that Vaporwave emerged more in the mid to late 2000s rather than the early 2010s. Maybe it's modern form emerged more in the early 2010s but it definitely existed before than (for example Daniel Lopatin - Angel and Devon Hendryx - Dreamcast Summer Songs are some examples)
Cause this is a hell of a lot of work, and some labels are kinda redundant (like trap and drill or edm and techno), he's bound to misslabel some of them Still impressive job
correction about heavy metal: the description given of heavy metal here is the same as for metal. However, heavy metal is actually a specific subgenre of metal that formed in the late 70s and early 80s, characterized by bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Diamond Head, and Saxon. Bodies, I Will Not Bow, and XO Tour are in fact not even metal at all, Master of Puppets is thrash metal, and Denny's is hardcore. Oh and also hardcore is a punk genre, not edm.
It's also kind of funny that the video describes hardcore as an edm genre (which it might be, I don't listen to edm) and then all the examples it gives are hardcore punk bands.
There’s hardcore punk, and there’s (electronic) hardcore. This man somehow managed to give the description for the latter, but play examples from the former... 😅🤣
full disclaimer, i worked with a lot of visual kei in the early 2000s and was very much in the scene of visual kei. there are a lot of misconceptions about visual kei but when you're talking about visual kei as a thing, you're more so talking about an aesthetical genre than a musical genre, if that makes sense. what separated visual kei from heavy metal or nu metal or any of the other rock genres was the visual aspect of the bands. when you're referring to visual kei, you're moreso going to be looking at artists like malice mizer, the gazette, manterou opera, versailles, 12012, screw, etc. to reiterate, visual kei isn't just a musical genre and it actually hinges on the aesthetic being there completely. for people interested in visual kei, better examples for the genre song-wise would probably be obscure by dir en grey, guren by the gazette, raging blood by screw, libra (or zetsubou) by mucc. also, as someone who also worked in kpop and jpop, the explanations of those genres is actually missing quite a lot. both jpop and kpop have different genre meanings depending on what aspect of them you are looking at. kpop especially. in korea, any music that is considered popular falls under the kpop tag that could be anything from a ballad song to a hip-hop song. however, when we talk about kpop in the west, we're typically referring to korean pop music, as in the pop genre. i didn't mean for the comment to be this long, especially for a bit of an older video, but i think when talking about certain genres, it's important to include nuances because they change what and why the genre is the way it is. genres like kpop where the term in the genre's native land is organised differently than our understanding or genres like visual kei that started an entire fashion and lifestyle movement off the back of it (elegant gothic lolita) have far more nuances than i think a lot of other genres do and a brief explanation kinda misses important parts for each genre. (i mean even black metal has a whole nuanced and almost unhinged background to it.)
2:50:00 Stallagh or Gullagh is a dutch / belgium band. One of the bandmates worked in an insine asylum and they say that he recorded most of the voices there. You are listening to insane patients going crazy and screaming. That's what makes it so terrifying.
Whatever tier MODERN doom music is in. I thought industrial metal but those songs didn't sound like it, and DOOM metal is more like the classic games. I guess just OST then
@@Exo7oxE I’m mainly big on mcr and emo bands but I also occasionally jam out to vocaloid and nightcore with a lot of other randoms surrounding those 3
You missed a few that I know of: Dancecore Drenchcore (fusion of dancecore and frenchcore) ISM (slowest music genre) Power metal Psycore Hard dance Downtempo Extradrone (fusion of drone and extratone) Rhythmic noise Raggatek There are probably many other underground genres so I can't blame you for not finding them all as it's probably not possible.
i genuinely didn’t expect my attention deficit self would’ve been able to sit through the full 3 hours of this video, but this video was surprisingly entertaining, thank you!
don't know why people are absolutely flabbergasted at the fact that he made mistakes. legit every single video has a mistake in it. after all we're human.
@@flordescponchinya3540 that's honestly a very reasonable point. i suppose i would feel similar if the community that i was most active in (vocaloid) was misrepresented in this video (he actually did a really good explaining the genre and the songs he picked were really solid). sorry to hear your genre wasn't represented as you hoped :(
He seems to have totally mixed up the Celts with the Scandinavians, which was a little disappointing. Celtic music is the musical tradition of Ireland, Scotland, and Wales, not Germany and Sweden. It's frustrating when a music genre you know well gets misrepresented, because it just further perpetuates people's misconceptions about the genre. When I say I like Celtic music, the first thing people usually think of is those **[2 HOURS OF EPIC VIKING MUSIC]** youtube compilations rather than more authentic stuff like The Chieftains or Lunasa.
@@bennyheadofthechairmen8808 No, it is the guy who did the video, by not searching enough. If you want to go making a 3 hours long video, then you have to be accurate ...
35:26, I don’t think that this is the same hardcore as what your description mentioned, but honestly, huge fan of this video, this was just constructive criticism. Literally after watching this video 10+ times (helps get through the work day, long drives, listening while working out), that’s literally the only “true” error I found (all other accusations of LJ miscategorizing based on genre scrutiny and different communities’/different people’s definitions of music genre boundaries aside, don’t feel like I’m versed enough as an outsider to basically any of these music genres from rock to EDM sub categories to older, more analog genres either, to be able to make a claim one way or the other), which is definitely saying something considering how much he actually manages to describe and fit into this video. Kudos, my friend.
Problem is Hardcore is the name of like 3 genres. At least the I know. The rock stuff, the Breakbeaty early rave music and then the other Hardcore that's an evolution of that.
In the rave scene Hardcore is actually the faster and more aggressive form of Techno, could be merged with Gabber I think. And in the US and UK in the early 80's Hardcore was also associated with Punk, I could be wrong though.
As someone who listens to speedcore. You did a nice work selecting the tracks, specially Tool Assisted Speedcore which is one of the most famous tracks of the genre. Probably you could have added Galaxy Collapse by Kurokotei, with over 10M views on youtube. Speedcore has a big impact in rhythm games community, because you will find a lot of challenging maps using this genre
"rhythm games community" i do find it funny that both songs, yes very popular, aren't too common in rhythm games outside osu! probs due to licensing; I've only heard about Galaxy Collapse in Pump it Up, and i've never heard of Tool Assisted Speedcore in other rhythm games
@@milesmonacothesequel2294 And how many of those are community-driven games? The fact that the most popular rhythm game is a community-driven one, in which licensing doesn't matter, does not mean all rhythm games are like that
I'm gonna invent my own genre. Nailtap. What is it? It's the music you hear in your head when you tap on things with your nails. You record it but no one else ever gets to hear what you heard in your head, leaving everyone disappointed.
My dude…You did so good with this. I’m at the mid point and taking a break. I applaud the efforts of this encyclopedic arrangement of music. I’m learning a lot more than I bargained for that for sure. I was mainly here to differentiate the nuances and slight differences in the upper tier genres but now I’m staying for the deep dive. Thank you!
Why is there so much negativity in the comments. It’s always a critique without anything positive to add. It’s what was missed instead of the 98% that was included. I know you are above this and mature enough to handle, but I’m still sorry for this. Life just be like that I guess.
@@originalpoksta because people are cry babies. Im glad broski made this i had no clue about most of this music even existing though i can say anything after like teir 6 is essentially not even music atp
I was gonna do this huge review with corrections and stuff but I realize now it’d be pointless. There were definitely errors (especially in some of the song choices for certain genres) but with a project this big it’s kinda acceptable/expected. As a music collector and creator, though, it was just more noticeable. Overall, good video!
@@josephsommerville774 hahahah bro what the hell 😂 didn't even clock that the first time. Even funnier than the dubstep ones, those "jungle" tunes have literally nothing to do with Jungle at all. He must have mixed that up with something else. Honestly can't stop laughing about that selection. I realize that these kind of videos take an enormous amount of time to make and I respect the work, but he could have at least gone over the whole thing one time and checked whether everything is correct. Sad to see all of your fav genres being butchered in a vid like this
You shouldn't include kpop and jpop in the same category. While they might look similar nowadays, Jpop was absolutely original and very different to everything else in the 2000s and prior to that. Also very criminal to not use Basshunter in the hardstyle section.
Ok, I was genuinely surprised that you feature such obscure genres hardly anyone talks about, like Supertone, Hypertone, Suizidcore, ect. Also, I made the track at: 2:30:38 :)
I'm interested in how this genre of music even came into existence... What compelled you to make music like this? Do you actually listen to this stuff or is it more like some kind of modern art form to you?
@@fidgetspinner1050 What compelled me? I figured there wasn't enough of this kind of music out there, so I started making it myself. Yes, I do listen to it all the time. I'm not sure about it being "modern art", I just do it as a hobby.
Here are some genres I found missing so far: rock'n'roll, rockabilly, emo rock, trip-hop, funeral doom, gothic metal, sympho-black metal, melodic death metal, nu metal, ska punk, psy-trance.
None of the songs for UK Hardcore were actually UK Hardcore (more commonly known as Happy Hardcore). _ALL_ of the examples used were from Dutch artists.
I was a bit disappointed to not see 'Nu Metal' included in the ice berg. It definitely isn't at the bottom of it, more like 'That Guy' or 'Awkward'. The genre has dark meanings but is covered with fanatic and random singing and instruments. Making it very groovy or punk. Bands from the genre are Korn; Coal Chamber, Papa Roach, Slipknot(Sort of), Linkin Park and System Of A Down.
Yeah Slipknot isnt a Nu metal band they were labeled as one jist cause of the timing of their debut release they had one nu metal type song they are definitly more of a alternative metal band
my only complaint is splittercore and extratone being lumped together, when there is a stark difference between them: splittercore is mostly 600 to 999BPM, while extratone is anything 1000BPM and above (to get even more specific, there’s also hypertone, typically for BPMs in the 10s of thousands-sometimes reaching the hundreds of trillions and higher!) though, i will definitely give you credit for the examples you used, every single one was accurately defined as splittercore! diabarha is one of the greats in the splittercore and extratone scenes. i highly recommend her, and appreciate you using several of her songs!
i think that those faster genres are often mixed together in videos presenting genres, which doesn't do their brilliance justice. i have to also give credit that he separated supertone (~15,000 to ~1,200,000 bpm) and hypertone (everything above 1,200,000bpm) and listed suizidcore as a single entry :) oh and afaik diabarha is a dude
Could you explain how a tone of like 5000 Hz differs from a song with only a 30000 BPM tone. Could someone simply make a song using a high tone and intermittent noises and consider it hypertone?
@@pxlated2366 it has a unique sound to it, that's how it differs. You can also hear the difference between a song with that many beats and a tone of the equal Hz amount pretty good in both of the examples I have given below. A while ago I experimented a bit with supertone and from the things I've read and heard you have to speed up the beats over and over, which can take quite a while. But you might have to ask an artist like Hecatonchires on this, since he's producing Supertone, Hypertone and stuff like that, if your interest goes that far. You can check out my favorite Supertone "Hecatonchires - 680,000 Born Slippy" or his Extreme Hypertone "Hecatonchires - Titan" where he also answers a few questions in the comments. Edit: You can also check out the YT-video "Speedcore 100000 bpm" which builds up higher and higher. If you then search a video with a 1666hz sound (100000/60=1666) you can definitely hear the difference.
@@markdvs6112 Thanks for the response. With Titan the sections with just the (Centillion?) BPM sounded like a wall of noise to me except past 2:11 with the pulsating tone. In 680,000 the supertone genre felt like it was in the background as if I was listening to an ambient track with fluorescent lights. I guess it’s just not my genre.
Loved this list. This is what I pay internet for! Absolutely in love with Minimal Dub, never had listened to that before. IDM is very cool. Seems like Darkjazz, which definitely should be on the list. Darude is such a good DJ. Happy that you've made me remember his music! Canterbury Prog is so amazing, glad you've put it on the list! Lacks many sub-genres of Metal, tho.
Just wanna critique you on the visual kei part! Little to none of those artists really represent the visual kei genre. Some really inspirational and popular artists in that genre would be Hide, Malice Mizer, Shazna, Buck Tick and Larc en Ciel :)
Not a bad iceberg. The person who made the iceberg missed out on some genres of music, a lot of the entries on the list are internet/nostalgia-based entries and some of the entries on the bottom of the iceberg are just joke entries. Great video as always. I'm about to watch your part 2 music iceberg video. I just subbed to your channel.
Probably dadacore is related to dadaism, a literary movement from the begining of the 20th century where the main feature was literally nonsense. It would make sense
@@robertheitmann8821 I said main, not only, but yeah, in depth dadaism was a bit more like you said. What i said was what i remember from my literature classes from a few weeks ago
@@Lethe126 didn't say you are wrong, just wanted to go a bit more in depth for ppl that never heard of this. I just remember it from when I studied Germanistik a couple years ago
I love this video and I cannot imagine how long it took to make but I almost laughed when I heard Bury Tomorrow on Djent. They are a metalcore band and while most modern metalcore bands are Djent, they happen to be one of those that aren't. But please don't take this as a hate comment. Royal Blood happens to be one of my favourite BT songs, in fact it got me into the band in the first place.
I still have every one of those Nightcore songs in my playlist. I'm surprised you didn't show the girl throwing it back to Anima Libera. I thought my ears were too damaged after all those years of dubstep, but then Flux Pavillion played 1:01:52 You don't understand how long it's taken me to find this song... I've only heard this one clip of it on a Caribbean news channel and I always thought it was some weird ad jingle. 1:10:05 This was my ringtone almost a decade ago 😭 I legit thought Math Rock was gonna be a meme, but I think I just found a new favorite genre 2:18:37 Nothing could have prepared me for that song... lured me in like a siren I thought Tier 7 was the furthest I could unironically listen to, but then FKA Twigs just had to show up in Tier 8 Thank you for your suffering, by the end I forgot we were still listening to music. Planet noises were nice though!
Weird the think that Jungle would be so deep down on the iceberg even if it's the stuff you hear on the radio multiple times. This is no offense, of course. I just thought it was interesting that something on tire four in the same place as DSBM and grindcore could be so innocent and make it to mainstream media.
I was waiting for Midwest Emo for so long but it never came up; (Please be patient I can't write well) For anyone who would like to learn about my favorite genre, it came into being during the mid 1990's. It draws from emo and takes musical elements from math rock, indie rock and a few smaller microgenres. It developed within the Midwestern United States, with more bands such as Sunny Day Real Estate and a few others popping up around the country. A bunch of younger folks have started to change up the genre, taking their own spin on what would be considered "classic" Midwest emo. American Football is one of the more popular bands, with Never Meant becoming iconic within the community. (One of my favorite opening riffs quite possibly ever, and I don't expect to see one that will top it. IMHO) For anyone who would be interested in giving it a listen I'd love you forever, and here's a great place to start! American Football ∆ Never Meant, Stay Home and the American Football Album (1999) ∆ (true classic midwest emo, math rock oriented) Marietta ∆ Cinco de Mayo Shit Show, ...so they left me at a gas station ∆ (a lot more emo oriented, really special mixing of vocals and instruments) The Front Bottoms ∆ Twin Sized Mattress, Be nice to me, lonely eyes ∆ (one of the, if not the most popular "Midwest emo" bands, really quotable) 💞McCafferty 💞 ∆ the entire beachboy album, seriously) ∆ (emo focused, really good stuff) 💞Riley!💞 ∆ Fight Milk! God is asleep and the wheel and I'm locked inside of the trunk ∆ (they have 19k monthly on Spotify, super underrated) Of course, modern baseball, algernon cadwallader, a great big pile of leaves etc. Highly underrated genre, and it's been great watching it evolve.
keep this a secret, but I cover it in my next video where I decided to actually go over every genre, currently in editing phase so I’ll make sure to include a couple of these bands. Thank you for taking your time to comment this
Melodic Speedcore has been one of my favorite genres to listen and produce for a few years now, and I think it's wonderful that you've covered it in this list. Thanks!
Very happy Future Funk was on here C: Also, I didnt see City Pop on the list, so I'm assuming its just under J-Pop, but it's easily my favourite genre of all time
I hate to be that guy but I'm sorry but the songs you played for "Hardcore" were not electric dance music, that was like old school punk. Also (this is just my opinion) I wouldn't put "Bodies" by Drowning Pool under Heavy Metal, I feel like it would go under Nu Metal. Besides all of that I really enjoyed this video 😁👍
Hardcore techno got mixed up with hardcore punk somehow. Bodies is definitely nu metal. The term heavy metal is a bit confusing because it's used as the umbrella term for all metal, but it's also a subgenre. I prefer the term NWo(B)HM, but now that I look at it, that's probably even more confusing.
okay so this is going to bother me if i don't say it but!! those middle two vocaloid songs weren't just by miku since she, y'know, can't make music and all. they're by Deco*27 and ryo/supercell respectively!! choices themselves were really good tho
This video is insane, not only dose it not have a copy right with all this music it also has a suicide note gezz, and the worse part they don't have a brazilian phonk section I'm dying how is a ai generated song gets copyrighted this is dumb af and awsome
