I definitely miss my blood lance machine gun build and watching a million lances shoot out from everywhere. It was so cool. Then overpower nerfs. :( and sadness.
It is definitely nerfed but as someone who has played Blood Lance since pre-season 1, it still works really well due to tempering and the other gearing changes. 40k+++ life helps it's scaling soooo much.
Tbh Overpower wasn't nerfed that hard. Basic skills just became so much stronger 😬. My biggest problem with Blood Lance always was the large amount of aspects that are required to make it barely work. No place for anything else to scale it further -_-. 1 or 2 of these aspects need to become base effects of the skill itself.
Did you saw that one of the temperings gives essence from blood orbs? Man, that would be so cool to get rid of Potent Blood to put more onde ofensive aspect...
@@blaynegreiner9365 blood lance got absolutely shafted on tempering. The fact that our weapon temper is so bad we just go with whatever so that we can masterwork is bonkers. Interesting though that temper could actually be really good if it was increasing duration by a flat like 30-60 seconds because apparently dead mobs are still lanced for the full duration meaning the aspect that increases damage per lanced enemy could stack up incredibly high. Even with as bad as it is I was seeing hits for I think about 5x my normal maximum from stacking lanced enemies but it's useless on bosses since the lance duration is still nowhere near high enough to get the bonus on bosses
First! Also the timing of this video is pretty great. Rob was just talking about the problem of core skills really just becoming support skills for Barb at this point in the game.
I started as Blood Necro. the only thing getting me through the content was Blood Boiling aspect. It out classed my damage even the Overpowered skilled used to spawn the Volatile Blood Drops. I think blood is anti-synergistic with itself. Enhanced Blood Surge, heals for more than it can Fortify, on the spell meaning you deactivate your own Fortify while casting. I played Sever and only dealt Damage with Empty Tomb... Now i play blight with Ebonpeircer... the only thing that can keep up with bash-cleave barbs. every Necro Build is Tendrils for Vuln, Curse with Amplify Damage, and a fixed item to actually make your build work...
Don|t even start on the ultimates across the board. None of them make a great impact, at least not enough to be called ultimates for me. Most are just small buffs or support abilities that are generally outclassed by a core skill.
I run bone storm as ultimate, it gives +15% DR and +20% Crit chance, I run the shadow aspect so it procs my blight aspect wich gives me +120% [x] damage and with decrepify / reapers + mages I have it up almost all the time
With blood wave you can get the cd easily to be reset within 10 seconds, and if you use tidal you’ve got 3 waves stacked lasting for almost as long as that doing shadow DOT, and covering half the screen
@@jasonlucia6682 was that the one where the two girls "played" but didn't seem like they were really interested in Diablo and more about what they did?
This makes so much sense! Thanks for the insight. I love blood surge, but I've been going insane just trying to get past pit 75. It's really rough right now.
What has been your solution for fortify? I find it ironic that one of the two builds that desperately needs it it's seemingly impossible to generate fort for single target. If anything goes wrong and you lose it during a boss fight there's nothing to be done. I can do an 80, but it the boss fights looks like someone doing a 130. Although, with the new barrier changes to bone storm aspect it might tank anything, and it may no longer be an issue.
@@Cosimate I have 3/3 into Drain Vitality on my skill tree combined with about an 85% attack speed increase using both accelerating aspect and aspect of Rathmas chosen on my gear. Lastly I took extra fortify gen nodes on my paragon board (Guarded Advance). So I'm throwing out ridiculous amounts of surges every second. My health and fortify recovery are never really and issue even with around 50-60k health depending on my gear.
I appreciate your dedication to the Necro class, you bring as much math as you do creativity. Hoping Blizzard brings more variability to these classes so creators like you have some theorycrafting to munch on. Looking forward to the combinations of skills and items youre able to bring into viability.
I only really play sorcerer and your whole point here feels so accurate over there as well. The ice spikes build outperforms most else by so much, and ice spikes is flat damage from an aspect. While frozen orb / winterglass is a lot of fun, the damage drops off so bad, and it's all skill damage. So now I'm wondering how uniques that get overlooked might be ok to use. Like x'fals and for sorc - blue rose. But looking at ebonpiercer what does that nice flat damage 4 times 100% of the casts, it's clearly significantly superior to the other 2 I mentioned that require a lucky hit trigger as well as do less damage anyway.
Items like Ebonpiercer are what I absolutely hate about this game. It's supposed to make Blight viable, but what it actually does (I know, semantics) is to trigger Shadow DOT "Bone Spears" whenever you cast Blight. Yes, it makes *using* Blight viable, but not the skill itself. Itemization, even now with the Season 4 overhaul, is IMO broken and defeats the actual purpose of having skills. You are not using skills, but item properties. I would love to - when using skills - to do and use what they say in the skill tree, not what they say in item tooltips.
There’s two main things that I think make this games skills feel awful 1) half the skills are genuinely bad in terms of scaling and usability 2) some items are getting multiple items that boost power, … basics skills as a whole are getting paingorgers and the adaptability aspect for a potential 360% dmg boost 3) key passives are very niche and apply to some skills much better than others. All that imo
Great video, always learn something when watching. I have two necros this season(shasow minion and blight), two barbs(bash and whirlwind), and a rogue. I decided to try a necro blood surge minion build playing around with Death Speaker's pendant, tripple GA blood moon breeches, and Cruor's Embrace. There is synergy with the uniques, synergy with the skills, synergy with the paragon and glyphs, but just no way to make blood surge worth it comparatively speaking. It would be a tremendously fun build to play, even without the minions which is gimmicky but fun, you just can't make it do damage.
I miss bone spear lol. It just doesn’t compare to shadow golem necro. This season is fun but many core skill builds on all classes just do not shine anymore.
I was loving my blood surge build but it capped out at about pit level 50, and i cant touch ubers, so sad, and i dont want to change to some sort of invulnerability buikd that takes 2 hours to kill a boss. This patch kept me going pass level 100, but still hits walls for most builds that cant capitalize on some sort of tempering stacking, not soure what to add, besides making sure all builds have some high end tempering ability that scales well instead of just a few skills
Feeling this big time with Necro. Even getting, in my eyes, "decent" gear, I can still only get my blight dot to tick ~100-150m, which is good, but not good enough to push high pits. The difference between having "decent" gear masterworked at 4/12 or even 8/12 versus perfect gear with 12/12 is actually insane. I had a blast playing shadow surfer cold build with bloodless scream in season 2 (I think it was S2), and wish we could scale abilities to play a wide range of builds at higher levels rather than gated behind abilities that do scale with multipliers and additive dmg, versus those like blood wave that you cannot scale. I tried minions, but i have such a soft spot for DOT damage, and would much rather play that over minions.
Haven't put alot of time into this season, and only just hit lv100 on my Necro. But, I've been useing a corpse explosion/minion build with Bone Storm. Paragon glyphs are 15-25, and mostly focused on CE Damage, pets clear trash and pile corpses and stuns. Gear is mastered to 4-6. Useing Black River, but not howl. Never planned to stay with, but I was curious how it would play in this season. The play style of grouping enemies into a bomb, and bursting stunned bosses is fun and could definitely optimize it, and go alot further... But it doesn't really seem worth it this season. I Just got through Pit 62, and CE already seems to be falling of pretty hard. I get some 9mil crits on CE, but burst damage phases tend very short, so minions still carry most content.
Hi MacroBioBoi, I couldn't get past pit 87 as ebonpiercer necro, I kept getting 1shot by elites and bosses, there's too much on the screen for my old eyes ;) I'd always die when bonestorm was down, and I didnt like that I relied on it so much (and bonestorm takes up 3 aspects!! I used gale/ultimate shadow/barrier). Well, I wanted to try something else, and I'm a big fan of the sacrilegious ring, so I put it on and replaced bonestorm with minions. Replaced the three aspects and now use Bloodgetters, Damned, and Retribution. Now with this build I can make really good use of the Sac ring, the combat loop is decryp then spam blight. But I still get bonuses from eating corpses because of the ring. I can attack non stop, using 2h weapon with 46 attack speed. Resource reduction on gloves+ring. No Shako yet, but I'd like it for more survivability. I use taunting warriors, and shadow mages. I find I do very similar dmg and tankyness but I don't rely on any cooldowns, my mist and tendies are are my only cooldowns. - The warriors hold aggro very well and I don't have to kite nearly as often. I tested my dmg on the boss dummies and i had 400m ticks (in staggered mode) without sac ring and 280m with. But the utility of the ring in clearing dungeons is just too good for me to pass up. -I just did some more testing, when I put the inner calm ring on and just spam blight i do less dmg than if i just spam blight with the sac ring on (about 200m dmg vs 280m). So I guess that answers that question... But when I had the buff combo going with the inner calm ring, i was getting ticks for 670m!! I've never seen me get that much even with the minionless build... I had 502k attack dmg on my character sheet at one point...insane I have extra skill points now that I don't need to invest in Sacrifice bonuses, I threw them into warrior and mage and hellbent. I'm not sure what else to do with them? Thanks for all your dedication M! -edit: after looking at your build on d2 planner, its the same except i dont use shako, i use a helm with bloodgetters. The dmg is insane.
Unfortunately I think it's much more likely that they will band-aid over the issues with things like Ebonpiercer, which essentially completely replaces/makes the skill, rather than putting the work in to fix the core issue itself, and then giving some cool but reasonable additions and alterations to play with on top. Seen this band-aid approach too many times in games - granted though, they did some major reworks like with Loot which I honestly didn't expect so far, so we will see.
The entire skill system needs an overhaul. The insane animation locks are dumb. Nothing scales off anything properly and unless you have MULTIPLE things that scale with MULTIPLIERS - your build will always lag behind. Barb has things like WW, has garbo damage no matter how many level you put and how you try to get to work, it wont. (except with DDs). Rend? Forget it. Fucking flay scales better because of tempering. Rogues are heavily reliant on - you guessed it - multipliers. Main stat? Nobody wants it no matter what. Sorcs? Same issue. I tried to play around with a crackling lightning build - it just did not work. It did not scale nowhere enough for it to start doing anything. Most spells are also useless. And let's not even talk about druids... D: Even the fun interactions (like Shred/Boulder combo) are just flat-out broken. Blizzard has added so many mechanics into the game that they do simply not know how to handle and don't have time / knowledge to fix. And if they don't it's because of "balance". Like WW not scaling off AS and can't overpower? "It's because balance". WW not overpowering is because of balance. That's what they said. We have basic attacks hitting billions and quite literally unkillable characters now but sure, 1 tick of overpower damage on WW is too much. I like the game but my god the design decisions are mind boggling to me.
core skills are trash for every class this season. Literally every other build uses basic skill to abuse moonrise, adapatability, 100% edgemaster, rapid .
This! Tried to play Upheaval Barb this season, but I just can't do it, since a single temper for Bash Cleave already elevates it's damage way above all your core skills -_-. Same is true for Heartseeker Rogue and Fire Bolt Sorc.
Tbh this is my first season getting up to lvl 100...this was a good video. I honestly am struggling to understand what affixes are actually good for offense and defence.
I can't do this test, because lack of resources and time... But can you try a physical build with the Corpse Explosion without the miasma? With the other improvement. How does this work?
@@frictorious Yeah. I started testing... So far my biggest concern is Paragon multipliers. Don't have that many for physical in necromancer... I'm trying to maxout glyphs instead. Let's keep trying.
They promised balancing classes for season 5, or in this mid-season patch. I can’t remember exactly. I hope they balance the skills within classes (buffs and not nerfs), its very underwhelming not being able to do the same content with different skills, mainly core skills.
Blood Artisan's Cuirass Bone Spirit feels very different than BLT Bone Spirit. Very cozy Pit 100's after boss damage nerf. Easy to live when you have 91k hp. First time playing since the boss damage nerf, I didn't play for 7-10 days, and I quickly pushed to pit 111 with basically no gear changes. Past pit 111, I think I'll have to go fishing to get higher, but with proper fishing and RNG I could probably do a pit with ~2x boss HP (Pit 116ish?). With Lucky Overpower procs, I might be able to do a pit 118, but I'm not going to try that hard.
And who haven’t a base skills build? Yes, the necromancer, and then the barb have the only temper in the game that give a flat multiplayer to a skill, some times i really don’t get what blizzard do, they said every time that they are going to put the other classes on par with barb, and every time they do something new as all the weapons tempers and the difference become bigger and bigger 😅
This feels true across the board for all classes. Core skills are in a really bad place while meme generator builds and thorns and minions are the meta.
I was gonna say that. Every build feels either awful or broken, and the broken ones are usually due to some bug. Core skills kinda suck now, dot got waaaaay better and generators got broken. I really hope they change a lot on the mid season update
@@AnatoleVGCI think they are a lot like the government the less they do the better. If they make a bunch of changes there’s a n incredibly high chance they will just make things worse. This season people are having fun so I think messing with things right now is too risky.
Ngl the minions there good only broken part is golem ngl blood specific my golem I may build into it but it out dps all my other minions in 1 tap and I could build into my other minions but in high pit I see no point
@@lordmakino9514It is very difficult to separate the build clears from Holy Bolt but Shadow Mage builds are keeping up with Blood Golem builds currently.
Haven't put alot of time into this season, and only just hit lv100 on my Necro. But, I've been useing a corpse explosion/minion build with Bone Storm. Paragon glyphs are 15-25, and mostly focused on CE Damage, pets clear trash and pile corpses and stuns. Gear is mastered to 4-6. Useing Black River, but not howl. Never planned to stay with, but I was curious how it would play in this season. The play style of grouping enemies into a bomb, and bursting stunned bosses is fun and could definitely optimize it, and go alot further... But it doesn't really seem worth it this season. I Just got through Pit 62, and CE already seems to be falling of pretty hard. I get some 9mil crits on CE, but burst damage phases tend very short, so minions still carry most content.
Same, flat damage aspects used to be dogwater. I played all my characters from previous seasons on eternal for 10 minutes and all of them are straight up trash right now. While my bonespear build was doing insane damage pre season it got surpassed by alot of other things. I am on my 5th character this season and no character of mine uses a core skill to deal damage. I tried making alot of fun builds but i got shafted by lack of damage and bad synergy for some skills. Since game launch i have made 12 characters and been performing slightly under the true meta. But diversity in builds that are viable feels like a lackluster.
Me to no one: I'm bummed that a year later, I can't customize my own build and play style for Necro and Rogue For example, I don't like the mechanics of reap and I burnt out on blight as a result, I'm nixed from playing top tier Necro builds. My rogue only works as Twisted Blades. When trying a barrage build, or rapid fire or any range build I die all over the place. Even when I have my resistances capped at 70 in T4 for Cold, Fire, Lightning etc. When frustrated with Rogue and Necro, I go smash everything with Barbarian. I turn off my thinking cap and smash. It looks like enhancing the minions for necro have broken our mounts. I actually don't care about minions as they get in my way. I do like the new way of scaling gear. Thank you for all the info you provide on Necro. I might give your shadow surfer a shot.
I was having fun with Bone Spirit and trying to get the biggest BOOM! I could...until I hear that Barbs are critting for 30B with skills they spam multiple times a second. The balance in this game is still waaaaaaay off. This is the inherent problem that creating a system that most rewards stacking multiplicatives is going to have. One small thing can lead to multiple times more damage output because, well, it's multiplicative. I think D4's balance is permanently broken, just like D3's, for this reason. And that's not even to mention pvp, where there's characters running around that are perma-invulnerable or one-shot you...if you hit them.
That's why I keep repeating every time I can, that Blizzard needs to buff Cruors and Deathspeaker. The damage coming from the items is ridiculous low compared to ebonpiercer, mendeln and Xfal. The sad part is that even if I can raise the mini nova to 20M per overpower, that's only 120M from 6 reapers or 220M if you are lucky to include the mages. 220M is still a small drop of damage compared to what Barbarians are pushing out with different multiple skills because they have like 5 or 6 really strong ones.
What a complete explanation ! And yes the skill tree for necro needs a rework while sorceress has clear skill tree : fire frost and lightning that’s all. Necromencer has skills which can become darkness but without unique those skills are trash… sever is completely useless even with the boots omg !!! This is the first time I see an ultimate skill (blood wave) that do trash dmg. Personally I use bone storm with the shadow aspect, barrier aspect to be tanky and bone storm duration. With decrepify I can be always in bone storm : very helpful in the pit . I hope blizzard will watch your video Macroboi !
This dev team makes no sense. What is the point of the tree if the only thing that determines if a build is good is whether or not the aspects/tempering/uniques make it strong? Then they made a class that can get EXTRA benefits from that system?? Oh, and they nerfed an entire mechanic (overpower) to deal with said over-benefitting class? Wait, they still have the best builds? How is that possible? It's a mystery....
Tried both BL and BSmages, both were kinda trash. BS the mages keep dying and BL just doesnt do enough dmg and needs everything pixeled. Went back to shadow minions. Might try blight next.. Also wish we didnt need to rely on shadowblight for minions. Wtb strong pure minion build.
These are examples why i dont bother testing different builds. not much is balanced in this game or works as you would think. Kinda disappointing for more casuals that want to try to mix things up. limited time to play, means I'll likely follow builds because I don't have the time to mess about testing stuff to find out Blizzard struggles to balance their game. I just wanna have fun and blow stuff up.
They also need to add more necro skills to begin with. Class has been unfinished since launch, and the "Corruption skill" tag is entirely meaningless. It's the only class that they had to mix-up the skill tree nodes just to make it look decent, and even then, it's so few options. Personally I think they should also swap Hellbent Commander and Kalan's Edict.
I hope Blizzard buffs the weak necro stuff, yeah minions are stronger but most skills were left in the dust. OP nerfs really hurt Blood. I hope they get some buffs- ALL the casters really need them, we don't have 4 weapons to boost us.
D4 is still in PTR. Idk what's wrong with their class design team, but they consistently been failing to deliver variety of working builds for any single class for a year by now. It's either they have no clue what they are doing or have no capacity to do things right - don't know. Kinda sick of this.
I was very excited for minions before the season came out but then quickly realized minions was just blood mist simulator and it felt like i wasn't playing the game at all. I started playing heartseeker rogue and immediately started enjoying my time a lot more. Even though the build is very brainless on heartseeker it was more engaging solely due to the high mobility of the build. The problem to me was that necro is not only the squishiest class, but the least mobile and the most boring this season by far imo. Even after the buffs I hate playing bone spirit since it requires insane item quality to be good and feel good and having to set up 5 skills just to buff the one damage skill in the build only to have it go thorugh a bunch of ads and blow up half of them is very frustrating. Now for season 5 ptr they are nerfing minions and buffing bone spirit even more while barely touching the other builds so far, its not looking good.
This explains the issues I was having with my shadow necro before switching to minions. It reminds me of trying to make a fire sorc at launch and wondering why it felt so terrible before learning that half their stuff was just straight up broken. How many things like that are still in the game? Busted passives, busted uniques, even busted paid cosmetics, how is it that a year later, with an expansion about to release, that we still don't have a properly function product?
As long as builds rely solely on a good combination of aspects, tempers, uniques, and bugs, this game won't change. Loot reborn didn't fix the problem. In fact, it just made it easier to see.
This is the shit that confuses me. Int says it increases skill damage so I thought the damage on affixes/aspects didn’t apply since it’s not a skill. Also didn’t know corpse dmg doesn’t scale with half the shit it shouldn’t. No wonder after a ton of hours I can’t get it to do anything.
I played around with Infinimist, and it's a fun playstyle, but I did feel like I was struggling to do as much damage as my shadow minion necro. The minion build just cakewalks through stuff that's challenging for other builds
No dd WW barbarian shouts HI :) its almost all the core skills that are just lame this season. i want to play corpse explosion and scale it, but hell no.
I’ve been trying to play a purely autopilot shadow minion necro build with sacreligious ring, and I cannot get my minions to scale past like 1mil crits and I have 1700% increased mage damage. Over 100% attack speed, 65% crit, >600% crit damage and I look at maxroll boards and see minim builds without using mage glyphs just absolutely destroying compared to mine. I must be doing something crazy wrong on the paragon board.
Blizzard responded: These bugs are known and will be corrected with the expansion. We'll have several new necromancer cosmetic options in the cash shop for the interim.
I have a pure Blood build that uses literally everything Blood and ots really fun, when im mobbing im doing fine but the boss fights are horrenduous, it takes forever, the boss cant kill me either but its so stupid how o tickle the boss with each Overpower... On the other end i have another Necro build that deletes bosses with my Minions but i often get one tapped by literally anything.
Ye I have the same problem with my blood lance build, it's very fun, obv isn't able to push as high as other builds, but boss fights are just horrendous when my mob clear is amazing.
Any updated quick thoughts @macrobioboi after today's patch notes? I saw how they buffed the Sacrificial aspect, which I do think will help non-minion builds, plus they buffed minion sacrifices pretty much across the board. Those two changes multiply on top of one another of course, so the actual impact may be bigger than I am expecting just by reading numbers on a patch notes webpage. But I just feel this issue of problematic Core Skills on Necro persists beyond this mid-season 4 patch update coming next week. Even the 10% damage/resource cost reduction buff to Starless Skies ring isn't going to be nearly enough to fix Necro's Core Skill problems.
sacriligious ring on the minion necro kinda ruined the fun for me. It´s just blatantly overpowered compared to the other builds. I was creating new characters to farm sparks, but the most consistent and easy character is the minion necro. Literaly afk´ing in helltide when you activate one of the blood or fire towers. I can grab a coffee while standing there and everything just melts, because of the autocasting from the ring.
They should address this and the underpowered uniques at the same time by buffing the respective skill damage on the unique. There is a unique for almost every skill, so instead of only doing „core skill does xy special effect“ they also need to add large multipliers to the affixes… like „bonespear splits into 5 projectile on impact AND deals 300%x dmg“
I have a bone spear build that is optimized to clear T100 pits, likewise I can rapid clear a T100 NMD and a torment boss. The problem is that you don’t know how to make a Necro build. I hit for tens to hundreds of millions per second because of the number pf bone spears being launched at the same time by my mages and I, each bone spear averages at 10 million, it’s not my only source of damage but it’s my main source.
So in my video where I acknowledge bone spear's ability to clear tier 110, you believe that by telling me you clear tier 100, that means I'm incompetent? Insightful.
For me personally I’ve kinda no life’d this season. Heartseeker rogue, bash barb, golem necro, and my personal favorite ice spike blizzard sorc. None of these classes have straight up core skill builds that out do the auto attacks or tempered speciality like ice spike damage just using blizzard as the vessel to do the damage and cc effects. It’s all very fun imo , but I tried making good old bone spear necro that I really enjoyed in the past and it was dog poo. Made me sad lol.
I’m running a bloodsurge build with reapers and frost squeletton mages for utility since the beginning of the season. I’m now running pit 75 relatively easily and can clean a tier 90 after the last patch. I do not use bloodsurge unique gloves and amulet because… well they are trashes compared to a good legendary aspect and item. I only wear bloodmoon and shako as unique. My overpower damages on one blood nova can crit for 60 million damages but i feel like i’ m about to reach the limit of the build.
@@benjaminghazi787 yeah but... no. The overpowered necromancers builds require something around 100-200% more damages to egalize blight and minions build. This patch gives at most 25% more damages. that's a joke. And the x2 buff to blood begets blood... lol
I agree completely. I started with minion and got bored as they did all the work and I was just a team manager. I used blight and wanted something more rare and switched to blood surge. After switching to my blizzard sorcerer last night, I realised just how big a problem this is. I play a necro every season but if you are not meta like everyone else, it’s a disappointment… great video as always. Thanks.
I'm a bit of a Blood Lance enjoyer in D4 but wasn't in D3 (corpse lance). Wish some buffs are coming. I am thoroughly enjoying your Blight/CE build though!
No one is sleeping on blight. It's the third strongest Necro build. I specifically call it out in the video. But Blight on that build does 1/15th or your total damage output, even less actually.
I won't disagree with you on the complexity issue. You've certainly got MANY more hours as a necro under your belt, as I tried a minion build on release, then quickly gave up. Then tried a bone spear build in a later season, which rocked, but I just didn't really like, I wanted useful minions. This season I've played both a golem heavy and a mage heavy minion build, both felt great. I mean, really quickly, the necro started to feel powerful and fun. Also, lazy... which I sometimes like. Now trying out a blood surge build, but it's early on. As for the mage... I have tried 4 different builds this season... ball lightning, firewall, chain lightning, and blizzard. Chain lightning and blizzard are the only 2 I really like. Again, for me, it's feel... they feel powerful, and start feeling it early on and continue to feel powerful.
Minions isn't lazy at all on the high end , it's a lot of buff rotation management all while trying to avoid dmg as you are very squishy. Probably the most apm of any build that pushed deep into the pit.
Tried a blood nova build. Had great tempers, maxed out codex, all 925, best rolls I could get on my weapons, and even helltide was hard, and got me killed. Could do nmd60 but much higher wasn't an issue. Blight build with trash gear, all wrong affixes, bad tempers, not even with the right codex abilities I did WAY better, and with it barely setup properly (no shake either), I'm rolling nmd100s, and about 4 of my glyphs are at 1. Hopefully they fix this in s5.
Been saying this since the closed beta: It's genuinely weird to me how Necromancer supposedly is the favourite class of so many higher ups in the D4 team, because when you look at stuff like the Sorc skill tree choices or the Druid Aspect Synergies and transformations (or even just the breadth of Aspect combinations Rogue and especially Barb get to make with extra weapons) - it's genuinely kind of a bummer going back to Necro's design and how straight forward and limited (and slow) everything feels.
I think the significant disparity in power between skills occurs in every class. I love to try random builds, but it’s very hard to push beyond T60 without investing a ton of materials in masterworking. Even then, it’s quite a challenge to complete a T60. Damage formulas are so broken… feels bad, man.
I've been harping about the Wither legendary node still lagging behind hard direct critical hits and crit chance. If Blizzard would change the increments from +1%/+4% per 60 Int to +1%/+5% per 50 Int it's going to be a little closer to what real crit focused builds can dish out.
right on about the tooltips cant be trusted. i did a heavy non-physical sorc build and had the shocking impact talent showing 120K. i thought that would be great for clearing the content that i was doing at the time and was hopeful that this would be boosted even more just like skill tooltips are. how disappointing was it to find out that not only does shocking impact not get further scaled up like actual skills, but that it wasnt even doing the ADVERTISED 120,000 DAMAGE! its truly intolerable for this much disconnect to exist between character investment and results
Not saying it's the right thing but it was exactly the same thing in D3. Your armor sets would add MASSIVE multipliers in order to make things work. Every season they nerfed the shit out of every set, but they'd buff 1 particular set like crazy, for every class. So every season there was 1, maybe 2 builds to play and that was it. Nothing else could do the dmg needed.
The man, the myth, the legend, MacroBioBoi! Always there to empower us with knowledge and give us hope that blizzard listens to you and improves things ! Take care, be safe and can't wait for your next video !!
hi, i have been having a blast so far on a mix of minions and corpse (infinimist build) that i have put together myself. i have felt very good about it, although it takes a long time to ramp up my dmg atm. now i am a bit confused, cuz i have been farming for black river. but now i feel stupid for even suggesting to myself that item could do anything for my output. i certainly feel my power is going down fast after reaching tier 100 and above. i do "fine ish dmg" to get the boss down, although it takes a good deal of time. tankiness is not a factor as i run infinimist, so i basicly only die if i rotate my combination poorly or i fail to press my buttons " i have allergies... its not a skill issue... shhhh xD" i enjoy the built very much gameplay wise. but i really feel the lack of dmg creeping in on me. am i doomed? is it a lost cause to try min maxing a corpse/minion/bloodmist build?
I’ve been trying since the beginning of this season to use blood surge.I’ve made it to pit level 50. Mind you i’m not using no max roll build either. This is just off experimenting. Everything works pretty well until the boss. Then damage takes a huge spike. I’m trying to stay away from using minions but the skeletons are a must I noticed. I hit for 5m when the over power activates but it doesn’t happen enough. I’ll keep trying different ideas but man I just want an exploding palm build and this is as close as i get to it.
Wow, 19 ranks into corpse explosion, and it was only doing that little damage for not much investment. No wonder it wasn’t doing any damage for me when I was using it. I tried using auto course skills like blood surge when I was leveling, but I soon found that it did not compared to the other ones and it fell off really quick surprisingly
As someone who played a pure corpse explosion build I can definitely say that yeah the damage sucks. I could barely clear tier 70. That was before the shadow boss nerfs tho, haven't played since the nerfs.
So this is my first time playing a necro and I was loving it. My boyfriend who always mains a necro recommended your channel. Honestly I was drawn to blood surge, but like you pointed out it's not scaling like the blight build he's running. So I made a thorns barb to run pits. I know with games like this there will always be the one build that out shines everything else, but man I wish it didn't feel like it was just miles a head of all the others, lol
Barbarian has the same problem. Core skills are only support skills that can't do any damage. It isn't fun when whirlwind is only used to cast dust devils that is doing all the damage and apply all the bleed. It isn't fun when all the damage comes from one aspect or one unique. Worst is probably when you need grandfather before you can play.
Fully agree but most classes are in this state. Scaling often wants to pull you in multiple directions, some builds are completely borked because they rely on cc to activate mods, not to mention all the bugs obscuring any sense of balance. edit: so this is a random thought but, if they changed the other corpse explosion talent to turn CE into a bone skill you could crit scale a true corpse explosion build. Would be cool.
Funny how this season a lot of basic skills are better on a lot of chars compared to core skills because of the many aspect/skills/paragon board multipliers, something is wrong if spamming a skill with no resource cost is better than spamming a core skill with resource costs.
One of the saddest things about that is the fact that the temperings seems really good. Like the one that make blood orbs generate essence, Blood lance is a tight aspect build and that one allows to replace an aspect of resource to make room for more damage, but then there is no point. Rework was half cooked. The ideia of tempering is good, but the lack of scaling kill it
Been leveling different alts for different builds and my Bone Spear Selig build feels tanks but the damage falls off so quickly, when compared to my minion and golem builds. Hopefully, this’ll be addressed soon.
Bone spear is useless this season, without perfect gear it is almost imposible to reach pit 100. Also is bone spirit dmg really multiplied by 4x each essence spent after cast, it seams to be false.
