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Some of the weirdest Math Paradoxes
Timestamps:
0:00 The Hairy Ball
0:43 Dichotomy Paradox
1:39 Birthday Problem
3:25 Gabriel’s Horn
4:09 Elevator Paradox
5:45 St. Petersburg Paradox
7:16 The Hilbert Hotel
8:43 Russell’s Paradox
9:54 Banach-Tarski Paradox
11:09 Like
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- Sources -
Numberphile
Vsauce
Event Horizon
Learn Play Solve
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This video is intended for entertainment and educational purposes only. It should not be your sole source of information. Some details may be oversimplified or inaccurate. My goal is to spark your curiosity and encourage you to conduct your own research on these topics.

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@shir_azazil
@shir_azazil 5 дней назад
The trend to say 'every' is weird, as everyone know it's not everything
@ThoughtThrill365
@ThoughtThrill365 5 дней назад
Yeah 😂
@Ethan13371
@Ethan13371 5 дней назад
Now that’s the paradox of these kinds of videos
@masonboone4307
@masonboone4307 4 дня назад
Does he know about hyperbolies?
@Demongordon
@Demongordon 4 дня назад
is russel paradox 2.0, set of every video that contain the word "every" but doesn't contain everything
@mrosskne
@mrosskne 3 дня назад
​@@ThoughtThrill365why did you claim the hairy ball theorem is a paradox?
@Redfox0928
@Redfox0928 5 дней назад
first one isn't even a paradox and was never thought to be, wtf
@undeniablySomeGuy
@undeniablySomeGuy 5 дней назад
The definition of paradox is strange because it includes counterintuitive facts as well as unanswerable questions, like the birthday paradox
@fortidogi8620
@fortidogi8620 4 дня назад
Like the birthday paradox, I guess it can be considered 'something that sounds like it should be wrong' by some people.
@newwaveinfantry8362
@newwaveinfantry8362 4 дня назад
The hairy ball theorem is not counterintuitive in the slightest. It's exactly what you'd expect, just a lot more difficult to prove mathematically.
@konuralpyldzkan1495
@konuralpyldzkan1495 4 дня назад
​@@undeniablySomeGuybirthday paradox shouldn't be counted as a paradox in the first place.
@mrosskne
@mrosskne 3 дня назад
it's engagement bait
@blableu4519
@blableu4519 4 дня назад
3:25 You forgot to point out the most important part of the Gabriel's Horn paradox. If you can fill the inside of the horn with a limited amount of paint, you would also manage to paint the interior of the horn, with an infinite surface area (since it's equal to the exterior surface area). Thus, you are at the same time affirming that the horn CAN and CANNOT be painted by a limited amount of paint.
@alexzhukovsky8361
@alexzhukovsky8361 4 дня назад
Same thing that the guy on numberphile forgot
@wicowan
@wicowan 4 дня назад
nope, actually not true, because when we say it's impossible to paint the exterior, we are assuming we paint it with a fixed thickness, and then you need infinite paint (bc the surface is infinite). If you want to paint the interior, you can't choose a fixed thickness because there exists somewhere very far along the "tube" (or is it a trompet?) where its radius is thinner than then the fixed thickness you chose (it's a bit like epsilon delta analysis). And we have to assume that you need a thickness to even define the fact of painting something, otherwise any 3d drop of paint could paint any area. It's confusing I know. So no sadly, you can't paint the interior.
@coc235
@coc235 4 дня назад
The thing is, it CAN be painted by limited amount of paint, but it requires the layer of paint to get thinner and thennire the further away you go. That's exactlg what is happening in the inside - since the radius is decreasing, the "layer" of paint gets thinner..
@fsponj
@fsponj 3 дня назад
No. If we assume that the horn's pointy side is pointing down & that there's no ground (somehow there'd be gravity though), it would take an infinite amount of time for all the paint that you put in it to fall
@wicowan
@wicowan 3 дня назад
@@coc235 the thing is, with this definition you can basically paint anything with any amount of paint, which is absurd. For example, choose any surface, choose any quantity of paint, then there exists a function that decreases fast as fuck which enables you to paint the surface with the thickness according to this function.... Because then the amount of paint is pretty much the integral of the function you chose. Like for example, imagine you want to paint the whole plan (R^2), with let's say simply 1 unit of paint, then choose the function (1/(2*pi)))*e^-(x^2+y^2) as an indicator of the thickness and there you have it, (bc the integral over R^2 is 1) which is really fucking absurd. Hence why, in my opinion to define the act of paiting something, it has to be with fixed thickness, hence why you can't paint the interior of the trumpet. Now maybe you still want to define painting in the way you mentioned, but then there is no paradox because you can easily paint the exterior of the trumpet as well with a finite amount of paint, if the thickness decreases...
@pmbrig
@pmbrig 4 дня назад
In my topology course in college the Hairy Ball theorem was summarized as "Somewhere the wind isn't blowing."
@flleaf
@flleaf 13 часов назад
Makes sense to me
@newwaveinfantry8362
@newwaveinfantry8362 6 часов назад
Because the Earth's surface is a sphere and wind can be considered surface level. Genius.
@shivanshukantprasad
@shivanshukantprasad 4 дня назад
Regarding the Hilbert hotel, it cannot take in any number of guests, it can only take countably infinite number of guests. If you have uncountably infinite or more guests, you can't fit them in the Hilbert hotel.
@t0xic_g4s
@t0xic_g4s 3 дня назад
Think of the set containing an infinite amount of guests. Its cardinality is equal to the cardinality of the set of natural numbers. That means that you cannot have an uncountable amount of guests, same way you cannot have an uncountable amount of natural numbers. If you are not convinced, try to imagine sorting those guests by height in cm or inches. You are guaranteed to have someone who is the shortest, if its multiple people pick someone by random. Then, assign the first natural number to the shortest person and to every taller person assign the next bigger natural number. Again, if you need to, break ties by random. In the end, you will have a bijection between the guests and the natural numbers.
@ethos8863
@ethos8863 День назад
the thing is that you can fit as many guests as you want, you just can't check them in
@AkiraTheCatgirl0
@AkiraTheCatgirl0 22 часа назад
​​​​​@@t0xic_g4s​ What if the guests have every hight between 5' and 6' exclusive? No one can be the shortest. This can even be the case with countably many guests. Define guest n to have height 5 feet+ (1/n) inches. Then, once again, there is no smallest guest. Even if you could find a way to have any set of people have a "smallest" person, this still says nothing about the cardinality since any set can be well-ordered regardless of it's cardinality. This is assuming you're taking you're people from a universal set and not just a class, and, of course, assumes AOC.
@theimmux3034
@theimmux3034 4 дня назад
only Russel's paradox was an actual paradox and even that was fixed by setting new axioms 😭
@LevinFroggo-fs7uu
@LevinFroggo-fs7uu 10 часов назад
There were other paradoxes like the gabriels Horn paradox or the birthday paradox. Paradox does not mean that there is no solution, just that it is counterintuitive
@LeNoLi.
@LeNoLi. Час назад
Paradox doesn't mean unsolved
@thomasrad5202
@thomasrad5202 5 дней назад
the conclusion that was reached about the st. petersburg paradox is nonsense. a rational person should never play this game for a large sum of money. Yes the expected value over an infinite number of games is infinite, however the more you bet the more games you need to play in order to have even marginally good odds of breaking even. This is like saying you have a 1 in a trillion chance to win 2 trillion dollar lottery and the cost of playing is 1 dollar. technically if you had a trillion dollars you are guaranteed to double your money because you can buy every lotto ticket, but no one has enough money, so you are almost guaranteed to lose money. This has nothing to do with people being flawed in their perception of money, or the way they value it. No matter what the payout is, even if it is a near infinite sum, the odds dictate that you will in fact lose, every time. There is a certain threshold where an event is so unlikely that it is never expected to happen even in the entire universe's expected life span. Don't let the math fool you
@littlefishbigmountain
@littlefishbigmountain 19 часов назад
EXACTLY!! I was looking for a comment on this one. This is so absurd, I thought I must be misunderstanding something. Why in the world should someone bet $500 to play when they need to flip 9 times just to make $12 profit? It’s unspeakably ridiculous. And then they go on about “poor people have less money” and “a rational person should pay any amount for a ticket in this game” like LOL just shows how out of touch this bs is from basic sense, it’s unbelievable. It’s so bad, in fact, that I still think that we MUST have it wrong somehow because this cannot be the “paradox”. Surely it’s too stupid, even if at the very least because the people who made the game didn’t realize how poorly they wrote the rules and everyone who answered was thinking what we were thinking and they couldn’t comprehend that.
@matthewb2365
@matthewb2365 12 часов назад
@@littlefishbigmountain What is true is that the expected payout is unbounded (colloquially can be thought of as "infinity dollars on average"). However, a rational person would only pay this much if they had no risk aversion. Would you rather have a billion dollars, or a 1% chance of a 100 billion dollars? A risk-neutral person would see those as equally good options, but a risk averse person would greatly prefer to have a billion dollars for sure. A billion dollars would be life-changing, and another 99 billion wouldn't make that much difference in the scheme of things; certainly not enough to be willing to sacrifice the original billion in 99% of the outcomes. If your utility function is linear in wealth, sure you'd be willing to pay any finite amount to play. If your utility function is sqrt(wealth), you'd pay about $3.50...
@ralphinoful
@ralphinoful 5 дней назад
Gabriel's horn stops being a paradox, once you consider how much surface area one drop of paint can cover. In theory, any 3-dimensional drop of paint, can cover an infinite amount of surface area.
@Aufenthalt
@Aufenthalt 4 дня назад
I would say that the solution of the paradox is the time you need to Paint the walls...
@mehdimabed4125
@mehdimabed4125 4 дня назад
The thing I still don't understand with this paradox appears more clearly if you make the object transparent : once filled in, you should see its surface covered with paint... A finite amount of paint...
@michielhorikx9863
@michielhorikx9863 4 дня назад
​But that is not a problem. The key here is that the thickness of the layer of paint will decrease more and more as you go further along the horn. The only reason you would need an infinite amount of paint to paint the infinite surface area is that you assume some constant thickness of paint. If the paint layer gets thinner as you go further along the horn, there is no paradox, and that is exactly what happens when you fill the thing up with paint. This is similar to the dichotomy paradox - a sum of an infinite number of things can still be finite, if the things become small enough quickly enough.
@igorjosue8957
@igorjosue8957 4 дня назад
So basically, it takes an infinite amount of 2D paint to cover it, but finite 3D paint?
@erinzaharris2162
@erinzaharris2162 4 дня назад
It also sort of is pedantic to say you could fill it. like sure there will be a point at which the hole becomes too small for a particle of matter to go through allowing you to fill it. That literal point is measurable though and any horn afterwards is just redundant horn to the idea. why even say it can be filled? Its like saying a wine glass with an infinitely long stem can be filled. yeah? cool?
@McWirst
@McWirst 4 дня назад
The dichotomy paradox isnt really a paradox since it boils down to "The cheetah can never catch the snail if the cheetah cant go in front of the snail"
@SzymonDWS
@SzymonDWS 4 дня назад
It also avoids the elephant in the room that time between each "catch-up" is getting increasingly smaller and smaller, and paradox resolves when you stop assuming time slows down somehow.
@konuralpyldzkan1495
@konuralpyldzkan1495 4 дня назад
​@@SzymonDWSor if you stop assuming that time can be divided infinitely
@machalot
@machalot 3 дня назад
​@@SzymonDWS The key insight of calculus that resolves it is that an infinite number of things (time steps) can still add up to a finite sum.
@jimmea6317
@jimmea6317 5 дней назад
was waiting for a manscaped sponsorship
@ThoughtThrill365
@ThoughtThrill365 5 дней назад
😂😂
@fortidogi8620
@fortidogi8620 4 дня назад
They could comb that ball!
@anonl5877
@anonl5877 4 дня назад
The Hilbert hotel would have to deny entry to Akira. An uncountably infinite blob of person would not be able to fit inside.
@AkiraTheCatgirl0
@AkiraTheCatgirl0 22 часа назад
Wow, ok, I see how it is >:|
@martimlopes8833
@martimlopes8833 5 дней назад
Another cool one is Skolem's paradox: there's a countable model of set theory. This is weird because inside this countable model, which only has as many elements as natural numbers, sets with strictly more elements than the number of natural numbers can be defined.
@newwaveinfantry8362
@newwaveinfantry8362 4 дня назад
Yes. Lowenheim-Skolem is probably my absolute favourite theore.
@kmyc89
@kmyc89 4 дня назад
(8:35) Sorry, but Hilbert's Hotel can in at least 1 case not welcome all guests: " _How An Infinite Hotel Ran Out Of Room_ " ~Veritasium
@vincentb5431
@vincentb5431 4 дня назад
Lots of people don't seem to understand that paradoxes aren't meant to suggest or prove anything, but they show that we can reach a seemingly irrational solution from rational reasoning, and that there therefore must exist a gap in our understanding. Obviously the cheetah will outrun the tortoise, but using what the ancient Greeks knew at the time, we can reach the seemingly irrational solution that the cheetah will never outrun the tortoise, which showed that we had a gap in our reasoning and knowledge. It wasn't until calculus was invented and we got a better understanding of the infinite that we could bridge that gap in our reasoning.
@mujtabaalam5907
@mujtabaalam5907 4 дня назад
Banach tarski is just "infinity/2=infinity" And you can't forget Borsuk-Ulam
@newwaveinfantry8362
@newwaveinfantry8362 4 дня назад
No, it's weirder than that. Of course there is a bijection between a single ball and a pair of disjoint balls, since they are sets of the same cardinality. That isn't surprizing. Banach-Tarski says tha you can actually split the ball into a finite set of disjoint congruent subsets, whose union simultaneously gives you the ball as well as two identical copies, without chainging the elements of those sets.
@Phylaetra
@Phylaetra 2 дня назад
@@newwaveinfantry8362 That you can separate the ball in to a finite (I think as few as five?) pieces, and then reform them only using rigid motions in R^3, yielding two distinct balls. I remember seeing a very nice you tube video detailing the process - but that was a couple of years ago and I cannot remember the channel...
@rarebeeph1783
@rarebeeph1783 4 дня назад
Re: the hairy ball; the fact that you can't comb flat an ordinary sphere, a 4-sphere, a 6-sphere, etc., is less interesting to me than that you *can* comb flat the circle, 3-sphere, 5-sphere, etc. The Hopf fibration describes one way to do so for the 3-sphere (the surface of the 4-D ball), and I'm still getting used to the way it does so.
@newwaveinfantry8362
@newwaveinfantry8362 4 дня назад
The circle is very easy to imagine.
@jazzabighits4473
@jazzabighits4473 10 часов назад
@@newwaveinfantry8362 How? Wouldn't there be a tuft in the middle?
@newwaveinfantry8362
@newwaveinfantry8362 6 часов назад
@@jazzabighits4473 What? A circle doesn't have a middle. Are you talking about a disk? That can be coumbed, too. Let F(x,y)=(-2,0) be a constant function on R^2, a vector field. Then clearly, no point in the unit disk is mapped to itself. Everything is moving uniformly to the left.
@maxkalentsov8085
@maxkalentsov8085 4 дня назад
I understand that the defenition of paradox is unclear, but almost all of facts mentioned are just somewhat counterintuitive if you hear them for the first time in your life. And in my opinion there is a big difference between "this fact can not be explained" and "I think this fact can not be explained", so it's not justified to call any not-obvious thing "a paradox". I recently saw a video from Jan Misali on types of paradoxes and I think it is a great piece of discussion on that "what is a paradox" thing, would recommend.
@anonl5877
@anonl5877 4 дня назад
You can also think of the elevator one from a majority-rules perspective. If you are closer to the bottom floor, there is a high probability that the last person to have called it was on a floor above you, so it has to go down to pick you up. If you are closer to the top floor, there is a high probability that the last person to have called it was below you, so it has to go up to you.
@Diego-kk5uw
@Diego-kk5uw 4 дня назад
the thing with Gabriel Horn and paint is that what infinite area means is that you cannot paint it with an UNIFORMLY THICK coat of paint using a finite amount of paint (because this will imply a usage of area*thickness volume of paint). So there is no paradox, the thing is that if you consider some of paint inside when the filled horn as a coat of paint for the inside, this coat will have a decreasing thickness (or no thickness at all, which means using 0 liters of paint).
@turanbirligi6969
@turanbirligi6969 4 дня назад
Dichotomy Paradox isn't a paradox, its been solved.
@LevinFroggo-fs7uu
@LevinFroggo-fs7uu 10 часов назад
Doesn't mean it's not a paradox. Paradox simply means, that the result that you get when calculating it is different than what you would expect when just thinking about it
@undesiredmilo
@undesiredmilo 5 дней назад
i can confirm the first theorem in about 15 minutes
@firozabegum4373
@firozabegum4373 3 дня назад
"Birthday Attack"- never ever thought to hear about it.
@stefandemerov8423
@stefandemerov8423 9 часов назад
Dichotomy Paradox is easy to solve... if for time X the snail moves less distance than its own length, that means the back end of the sail is still within the space, that was occupied by its front during the previous period. In such case the cheetah will catch it guaranteed during the next period of X.
@placek7125
@placek7125 3 дня назад
4:08 what i fill it with paint and immiadetly empty this shape? Wouldnt I paint it from the inside, despie it having infinite surface area? Surface area from the inside is the same as outside.
@mallninja9805
@mallninja9805 4 дня назад
Zenos paradoxes never seemed particularly paradox-y. At some point one cheetah-sized step exceeds the total distance the snail was able to travel. It sounds like the sort of "profound" stuff stoners come up after a night of smoking.
@newwaveinfantry8362
@newwaveinfantry8362 4 дня назад
Well, it considers the movement as a constant, continuous function, and not a discrete set of steps. Even then it's not a contradiction, as both the distance traveled relative to time, as well the time needed to travel a certain distance, in relation between the two, can be broken down into an infinite geometric series. Since the series converges, the cheetah therefore passes the snail.
@JakubWaniek
@JakubWaniek 4 дня назад
6:22 Correction: the layout of the game is never infinity, the payout is always finite (2^n for some n). The *expected value* of the payout is infinite. The point of this problem is to illustrate how expectation can flawed
@selsickr
@selsickr 4 дня назад
Hilbert’s hotel is not really a paradox. We could just say that as all the rooms in the infinite hotel are taken we cannot just move everyone into the next room. We could probably make another branch of mathematics by assuming this. Hilbert just assumed an axiom ( ie we can move everyone into the next room ). This axiom should have been clearly stated as such.
@KD-jk6yo
@KD-jk6yo 4 дня назад
i dont get how everyone couldnt move over. can you explain?
@user-rg3vh9hb5h
@user-rg3vh9hb5h 3 дня назад
I love the banach tarski paradox! I wonder if you could make a longer vid about it
@coolkusti
@coolkusti 4 дня назад
Probably the most important missing one is the Borel-Kolmogorov paradox.
@cabbagebutterfly800
@cabbagebutterfly800 4 дня назад
i never get why the gabriel's horn was even a paradox, the paradox fix itself within it's own definition, it can fill a finite amount of a liquid but can't be painted with a finite amount of paint. so what if i fill the horn with paint? yeah that's right, it would pain itself frm the inside, and since it's a infinitely thin horn, the area outside is equal to the inside.
@coleozaeta6344
@coleozaeta6344 12 часов назад
You’d be taking a surface area function versus a volumetric function. Since we’re going all the way to infinity, the volume function experiences a 3rd “1/inf” type division, whereas the surface area function only experiences 2. This is why the surface area is infinite and the volume is pi units cubed.
@_Sunless
@_Sunless 4 дня назад
If number of guests in the infinite hotel has coordinality greater than countable infinity, it can't give a room to everyone
@lastofthewieldersoflight
@lastofthewieldersoflight 3 дня назад
Dichotomy Paradox seems like a good argument for discrete space.
@edminchau811
@edminchau811 4 дня назад
A hairy ball might not work, but a torus would.
@qracy-kun5288
@qracy-kun5288 День назад
Found this channel today, its visual and explanation is simple and brief which is good for me.Thanks for the video keep going.And also comment section is fascinating how people are adding their knowledge about the things in the video which is interesting for me
@TheKivifreak
@TheKivifreak 5 дней назад
Your upload schedule is pretty insane. Nice
@ThoughtThrill365
@ThoughtThrill365 5 дней назад
😄
@abhigshek
@abhigshek 5 дней назад
@@ThoughtThrill365 pls keep it up with such intellectual stuff, educate urself as well
@Bruh-ui6cs
@Bruh-ui6cs 4 дня назад
The hotel paradox stems from the way the problem is initialized, you say there is an infinite number of rooms, but that every room is filled. If every room is filled this means the ratio of ppl to rooms (lets say max one person in a room) should be 1. From the initial definition of the problem, this implies inf/inf = 1 but this is not true.
@MechMK1
@MechMK1 3 дня назад
Zeno of Elea was such a beta. He kept stating "new" philosophical discoveries, that all turned out to be the same thing. Even his peers were annoyed by it.
@imperialguardsman135
@imperialguardsman135 4 дня назад
The second paradox is just a case of ancient Greeks nor knowing limits
@matthewb2365
@matthewb2365 12 часов назад
With the St. Petersburg paradox, the video keeps mixing up heads and tails... :/
@giuseppenonna2148
@giuseppenonna2148 4 дня назад
Hi, nice video :) But at 1:34 that sculpture is not Zeno of Elea, the one you are probably referring to, but Zeno of Citium Just a small detail though, great video!
@THICCTHICCTHICC
@THICCTHICCTHICC 4 дня назад
Power tower paradox tho
@nicolascage5774
@nicolascage5774 14 часов назад
Add the end he mentions that the Banach-Tarski Paradox vanishes for locales. Has anyone got a reference for that?
@aidbeno6409
@aidbeno6409 2 дня назад
I remember some of these from Vsauce2 wow how has it been years
@jackwhittle8047
@jackwhittle8047 4 дня назад
But what if I say "every live person on Earth is alive." or something else like that
@blue_birb
@blue_birb 4 дня назад
is that the grand budapest hotel in the hilbert hotel drawing
@_Heb_
@_Heb_ 5 дней назад
At 6:22, what's the significance of "anything times infinity is infinity"?
@trufflefur
@trufflefur 4 дня назад
The birthday paradox I can everyday of work check it is true. I work as a vigilant in a parking lot building and around 20~25 sleep there and when I'm counting and reading their plates it's like if the come in "families" with the same letters and same numbers like for example I could have a "KXV 1534" "KKV 1688" "HLV 1734" and another "PPL 1022" "TPL 2102" They always have a pattern sometimes I think I'm going crazy.
@user-hi8jv6cw8n
@user-hi8jv6cw8n 4 дня назад
9:54 this basically is turning ∞/2 = ∞ into a paradox
@ethos8863
@ethos8863 День назад
zeno's isn't really a paradox he was just wrong and shortsighted. he failed to consider that the cheetah complete's each catchup in shorter and shorter time such that the cheetah is able to complete the "infinite catch-ups" in finite time
@CristianmirabalWuno
@CristianmirabalWuno 4 дня назад
Can you make a video about physical phenomena such as the Quantum Tunneling, the zeeman effect or the casimir effect?
@ThoughtThrill365
@ThoughtThrill365 3 дня назад
yeah
@jaytravis2487
@jaytravis2487 5 дней назад
@9:36 An interesting point about the definition of words and CIRCULAR definitions. But there comes a point where you MUST be able to understand some words or else you can never participate in ANY LANGUAGE GAME (~Wittgenstein's term). This might be a bit HALF-BAKED...but try it out for yourself! You can start with a high-level concept like "lordship" and define all the words contained in it's SIMPLEST DEFINITION. Defining all those words will eventually lead you from the top-floor or high concepts to the BASEMENT OF ENGLISH where the 'SUBSTANTIVE/AXIOMATIC' WORDS and concepts exist. Ive been toying around with this idea for years but the undertaking is so arduous I'd challenge anyone to look at it and not blink. It's akin analyzing the entire dictionary. But take a word like "ownership","space"(i.e.: volume), and try to define them into simpler terms. I think you'll understand what I mean by SUBSTANTIVE-Axio words. In order to participate in English speaking one must be able to understand these concepts...there is no other method to help explain what the S/A words are other than for the teacher to point at the red apple, the stop sign, the fire, and tell the student 'red'. (Of course there are other ways but I'm not getting into pedagogy here).
@jessehunter362
@jessehunter362 3 дня назад
All throughout my childhood, rhere was always someone in my class who shared my birthday: and the shocking thing is, my twin had the same experience!
@oxbmaths
@oxbmaths 3 дня назад
Nice compilation of paradoxes. Would be clearer without the background music, in particular at higher speed playback.
@ThoughtThrill365
@ThoughtThrill365 3 дня назад
Noted
@paxarite
@paxarite 5 дней назад
wtf is the first one that caugth me off guard
@MinhPham-gy4iv
@MinhPham-gy4iv 5 дней назад
I missed the cool paradox from Bertrand, but overall great video
@Phylaetra
@Phylaetra 2 дня назад
So - how is the hairy ball theorem at all paradoxical? Zeno's paradoxes all rely on a naive notion of 'infinity' - the example you give is solved by noting that the time decreases by a tenth each step, and that such an infinite sum is finite - so in that finite time, the cheetah catches the snail. The birthday problem is also not a paradox, just unexpected. How is Gabriel's horn paradoxical? The surface area (and length) is infinite, but the volume is finite. The elevator thing is also not a paradox. If you are in the middle, the odds even out. I'm not even sure how it's even surprising. The St. Petersburg paradox. No... It's not a paradox - although it is interesting. I would not play the game - there is a 50% chance you lose on the first flip - and while the expected value is infinite, so is the variance (or _risk_ in financial terms) of the game. I note that there are also several other reasons why this is not really a paradox - quite appealing to me is that there is no-one who would offer a game with an expected loss (to them) of infinity. Given the inherently finite nature of the game, and cutting the odds of at about 1 in 10,000 leaves an expected value about a little over $10, so the intuition people have of about $10 seems to fit this bit of human behavior. How is the Hilbert Hotel paradoxical? It is counterintuitive - but that's because infinity is not a number and we should not expect it to act like a number (i.e. something finite). Its properties (which the Hotel was created to illustrate) are logical and consistent. Finally - an actual _paradox_! Russel's paradox is a true paradox. The Banach-Tarski paradox is not really a paradox, but a consequence of measure theory and the required existence of unmeasurable sets. The pieces used are such that they do not have a measure (under the usual measure in R^3). This, I think, leads to some deep problems in just what it means to measure the area (or length, or volume, whatever) of an object. Individual points have no length, but a line is just made up of points - so where does the quality of 'length' come from? Measure theory (to me) kind of provides an answer, but we are then left with some collections of points that do not have a measure (they are not of measure zero, nor a measure of any value). This still fascinates me. It's not _set_ theory, it's _measure_ theory. I haven't heard of locales - so I will have to look into that! Do you have a reference?
@drdca8263
@drdca8263 5 дней назад
Is the birthday paradox, even that paradoxical seeming? It seems more, “initially a little bit counterintuitive/surprising”. 6:18 : this assumes that one cares about expected value of money, rather than expected value of money. Also, winning “infinity money” is not one of the possible outcomes.. [edit: oh nvm you do mention utility afterwards]
@santiagosanz4157
@santiagosanz4157 2 дня назад
These are not paradoxes, just counter intuitive results
@rrbk6025
@rrbk6025 4 дня назад
If it's possible to fill inside wouldn't it be able to fill with paint hence paint on inside. if thickness approaches zero wouldn't inside and outside area be same..
@quentind1924
@quentind1924 5 дней назад
6:37 There is another reason to not bet too much : if the other person has a finite amount of money (which will most likely be the case), the expected result will be finite and not very big. If you want an expected result of at least 20$ for example, the other person has to have at least 2²⁰$, which is approximately 1,000,000$
@coledavidson5630
@coledavidson5630 3 дня назад
1:35 this is just straight-up overthinking
@coledavidson5630
@coledavidson5630 3 дня назад
6:20 at a very high buy-in cost, the odds of you losing tons of money are way greater than the odds of gaining anything??? How is the expected gain infinite?
@smiley_1000
@smiley_1000 4 дня назад
How is the Hairy Ball Theorem a Paradox?
@BalthazarMaignan
@BalthazarMaignan 5 дней назад
I don't get how the hairy Ball theorem is a paradoxe ? Nice video tho
@barutjeh
@barutjeh 5 дней назад
In another part of topology there's the fixed point theorem would be a neater example. Holding a map inside the region it depicts, there must always be at least one point exactly above the corresponding point in the region. Or: if you have two pieces of paper and you scrunch one up, put it on top of the flat sheet, there's at least one point of the scrunched up sheet right above the same point on the flat sheet. Or, assuming a continuous liquid, if you shake a bottle of water, there'll always be at least one point that is not displaced.
@jffrysith4365
@jffrysith4365 4 дня назад
it's not, like I've never even heard anyone call it a paradox before this video. It's just a funny named theorem.
@vincentb5431
@vincentb5431 4 дня назад
Back then, the hairy ball paradox showed us that there was a gap in our understanding of topology until Poincaré solved it.
@atticusdodd6814
@atticusdodd6814 4 дня назад
St. Petersburg paradox actually starts with 2 dollars, not one.
@eirh
@eirh 4 дня назад
Doesn't really matter, it could start with a fraction of a cent and it would stll have an infinite payout.
@user-or5ke5yn4w
@user-or5ke5yn4w 4 дня назад
everyone goes up from the ground floor. no one goes up from 2nd or 3rd floor. this is the solution
@phyarth8082
@phyarth8082 4 дня назад
Schrodinger cat paradox coin have probability p=1/2 heads and q=1/2 tails, in B. Russel paradox extension if exist set can we choose not participate not choose any element from the set. Set of elements can be chosen 1 or all elements or choose groups of elements but not choose any is forbidden by probability definition, if you not coin toss it means probability of such event have p=1 at same times coin is in the state of heads and tails. That is non-sense, if bacteria observes radioactive decay (bacteria is conscious creature) do wave function collapses inside box with cat? Schrodinger trolling Copenhagen interpretation of quantum physics
@MultiRobotnik
@MultiRobotnik 3 дня назад
Counterintuitive ≠ paradox.
@dwarky
@dwarky 4 дня назад
Which horror movie was it taken from? 0:19
@ThoughtThrill365
@ThoughtThrill365 4 дня назад
😂 😂
@GodbornNoven
@GodbornNoven 4 дня назад
1:50 well that's my birthday lmao
@not_porter
@not_porter 5 дней назад
1:46 the fact that you chose my birthday startled me for a second
@joelsummerfield4374
@joelsummerfield4374 4 дня назад
Same here 😂
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq 5 дней назад
Most of these aren't paradoxes they are just mathematically proven facts?
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq 5 дней назад
First one is just a fact about continuous vector fields. Second one is a basic result about summing series. Only got up to number 2
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq 5 дней назад
Birthday problem is just a misunderstanding about probability, similar to how people can't visualise the volume of a cone I guess.
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq 5 дней назад
Trumpet - there's infinitely many 2d curves which have a finite area below them but the curve length is infinite so what is the big deal?
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq 5 дней назад
elevator - obvious. St. Petersburg - you always play a winning game and you need the concept of utility to decide how much to pay which is probably logarithmic, depends on how much money you have
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq
@ParadigmShifter-zx5fq 5 дней назад
Hilbert's Hotel - pretty sure it can't accommodate an infinite number of buses arriving each containing an infinite number of guests so it can't handle all kinds of infinities
@jffrysith4365
@jffrysith4365 5 дней назад
the hairy ball theorem is in no way a paradox. It's a funny named theorem, but it's so obviously true. You got the sain petersburg paradox a little wrong. It's not true that you should bet regardless of cost. The problem is that the expected value is the mean. so if you played the game an infinite number of games you would on average gain money regardless of bet size. However if you only play once it is unreasonable to bet a lot because the probabilty that you actually gain money is incredibly small even if the amount of money is significantly large with a very low probability. You also got the hilbert hotel slightly wrong. It's true it can accomodate any countably infinite number of people. But if an uncountably infinite number of people show up it cannot accomodate this. For example if there are so many people that they label every person with an infinitely long binary string, and every infinitely long binary string is used by some person, then there is no way to accomodate this (based on Cantor's Diagonalization argument. You also loosely said in the russels paradox part that the problem is that you defining some object based on itself. but the recursive theorem says this part is fine. However the problem is we constructed a object in a manner that is not possible (in this case, we assumed that such a set exists that contains everything that doesn't contain itself.) originally we assumed this was possible to do for any sets, however Russel showed there must be some sets that do not exist. To fix this, Zermalo and Franklin constructed ZFC which fixes this problem. [note this doesn't mean we no longer have this problem as we cannot construct this set using the axioms of ZFC] For the Banach Tarski Paradox it's not a few pieces, it's explicitly an infinite number of pieces. and it's the reason many people question C in ZFC. (without Choice its not true. but choice is hard to question because it's appears very obvious in other circumstances.)
@jffrysith4365
@jffrysith4365 4 дня назад
even though most of the problems were incorrect in some way, it was still a good introduction to people, but it would be nice if you said at the beginning that this was a simplification of each of them, and that it's slightly incorrect for the sake of explanation. Otherwise good video
@Epoch11
@Epoch11 5 дней назад
George Gamow=Gamov or Gamoff
@orban3228
@orban3228 5 дней назад
What a nice video
@donalmaguire6099
@donalmaguire6099 5 дней назад
Great videos. The music is very distracting, though. Especially the last minute.
@ThoughtThrill365
@ThoughtThrill365 5 дней назад
Noted!
@Keksator
@Keksator 4 дня назад
6:35 wow I picked 10 too
@COLATO_com_br
@COLATO_com_br 4 дня назад
well done !
@brendangolledge8312
@brendangolledge8312 4 дня назад
On the St. Petersburg paradox: The way mathematicians calculate probabilities for investments is wrong. You should not count the absolute gain, but the relative gain. This makes a big difference. The justification for this is that to make up for a 50% loss, you need to earn +100%. So, geometric means are better for calculating investment odds rather than arithmetic means. I often calculate probabilities in speculative investments, and my default is always to guess what the highest possible gain is vs the highest possible loss, and calculate a geometric mean. So for instance, if I believe an asset can do a 0.5x, or a 10x, and is equally likely to do anything in between, then I figure my expected gain is sqrt(0.5*10) = sqrt(5) = 2.23, NOT (0.5+10)/2 = 5.5. If there is a possibility that an asset can go to 0, then no plausible gain can justify going all-in. When dealing with assets that can go to 0, you have to consider them as a part of your portfolio in order to make the calculation (like maybe some % gold, which you assume can't go to 0, and some % of some alt coin which could go to 0 but could go to infinity). In the case of the St. Petersburg paradox, if people are paying $10 and are only allowed to play once, they have an 87.5% of losing money. This means it is realistic and practical that people aren't willing to spend a lot of money on it. The theoretical arithmetic mean is infinity (1/2*2+1/4*4+1/8*8...= 1+1+1...), but if someone spent his whole net worth on the game, there's an almost guaranteed chance that he'd end up broke. It is thus practical that people are not willing to spend a lot of money on it. Real people only have one life, so it makes sense that they play to win the median outcome rather than the average outcome that would happen if they had infinite lives to play this game. If you want to generalize geometric means without even probability distribution (like 75% chance that something happens), then the result is that effect1^(chance of effect1)*effect2^(chance of effect2) and so on, with however many possible effects there are. Edit: After some googling and messing around, I was able to solve for 2^(1/2)*4^(1/4)*8^(1/8)... I believe the answer is equal to 4. So, I believe this game is worth $4. Edit 2: After messing around with a random number generator and a large number of trials, it appears to me that the game might actually be worth something like $7.5. I wonder if I made a mistake in the above calculation. Maybe $4 is like the median amount you'll earn, and $7.5 is the mean. I will investigate this more later because it is an interesting puzzle.
@comma_thingy
@comma_thingy 4 дня назад
The under a geometric averaging (is there some kind of measure/function for probability distributions that gives such a thing? I suppose there must) is lim_(n->inf) (prod(1 to n) 2^(i-1))^1/n. Taking the product inside the exponent, with triangukar number formula we get the inside of the limit is equal to 2^((n-1)/2), which still goes to infinity. In fact, it goes to infinity faster, which makes me think I've made a mistake somewhere
@MrPsyJak
@MrPsyJak 4 дня назад
*maths
@mehmetdemir-lf2vm
@mehmetdemir-lf2vm 4 дня назад
remove background music please. it makes speech harder to understand.
@ThoughtThrill365
@ThoughtThrill365 3 дня назад
Thanks for the feedback.
@MK00040
@MK00040 4 дня назад
it's okay to leave some breathing room between sentences you know
@ThoughtThrill365
@ThoughtThrill365 4 дня назад
😄😁 i'll keep that in mind next time
@anywallsocket
@anywallsocket 5 дней назад
‘solutions’: 1. That’s just how hairy balls work 2. Zeno didn’t know calculus 3. Combinations grow with factorial 4. This like asking ‘how can a finite line segment contain infinite points’ because that’s how math works; you can’t sensibly compare an infinity in dimension D with a finite number in dimension D-1, although I’m happy to be shown otherwise. 5. This is common sense? Lol 6. People are poor (as video explains) 7. Infinity +- N = infinity 8. One of my favorites! Allowing self-reference enables undecidables. 9. AoC is independent of all other axioms of ZFC and makes no sense 😂
@jizert
@jizert 5 дней назад
but aoc is equivalent to stating that every vector space has a basis and given two non-empty sets, one has a surjection to the other (a
@mgancarzjr
@mgancarzjr 5 дней назад
Zeno also didn't know about Planck Length.
@jffrysith4365
@jffrysith4365 4 дня назад
7 can be more impressive in some cool ways (such as an infinite number of people can be accomodated, an infinite number of busses each with an infinite number of busses can be accomodated. However it's actually false because if you have an amount of people so large, we represent them all with infinitely long binary strings, and each binary string is associated with a person, we cannot accomodate them in the hotel> For 9 I would argue its a bot more complex than saying AOC makes no sense. It's a very necessary assumption for a lot of math (i.e vector spaces having basis's) and there are ways of representing AOC where it appears trivial (such as the general definition where if you have the Cartesian product between two infinite sets, it's not empty. As it goes "AoC is clearly true, the continuum hypothesis obviously false and Zorn's lemma? who's to say" when all three are equivalent statements.)
@pjotrxxx
@pjotrxxx 4 дня назад
Zeno, and probably no one at that time knew that the sum of an infinite number of numbers can be finite.
@anywallsocket
@anywallsocket День назад
@@jffrysith4365yes I was just admitting to my ignorance on the subject
@user-dd3po9jg1k
@user-dd3po9jg1k 5 дней назад
the Dichotomy paradox is wrong because the speed that the cheetah runs relative to the snail is 9 m/s so to find time you simply divide the distance by 9 and get the answer
@PaulFisher
@PaulFisher 5 дней назад
It’s more of a philosophical paradox-you can still find an infinite number of catching-up steps, despite the fact that the steps get smaller and smaller. It’s a supertask (see also the excellent vsauce video on the topic)
@memuskhan9976
@memuskhan9976 5 дней назад
It's a mathematical paradox. Of course in the real world such a problem doesn't actually exist but in the world of numbers it poses a dilemma. The Vsauce video on supertasks explains it well. On paper you can always divide by 2 again or add another zero, IE create infinity. There's an infinite number of halfway points between the cheetah and snail so it seems like it could never reach it, but we know it should be able too, thus it's a paradox
@jffrysith4365
@jffrysith4365 4 дня назад
that's the paradox part. it's clear that there's something wrong. The problem is clear when we look at it a different way. The cheetah paradox is that it will take an infinite number of 'catch up to old snails' to pass it. However instead of looking at the number of times we catch up, lets look at the change in time it takes to catch up each catch up. Lets say the cheetah is moving same a times faster than the snail that moves at a speed v, Consider also if it is some distance d from the snail's old position in the first instance. Therefore the cheetah will catch up to the snail after a time = distance / velocity = d / (a*v). if we want to find the next position of the next snail we would calculate distance = time * velocity = d/(a*v) * v = d/a. Because d was general this means the distance of the second frame will be d/(a*a) and the next d/(a^3). in general the n'th catch up will have a distance d/(a^n). this means the entire distance we look at over an infinite number of catch ups is the sum from i = 0 to infinity of d/(a^i) = d * the sum from i = 0 to infinity of (1/a^i) Using the general convergence rule the sum of x*n (from 1 to infinity) converges if -1 < x < 1, and it converges to x/(1-x). In this case we get (1/a)/(1-1/a) = 1/a/((a-1)/a) = 1/(a-1). Therefore the sum from 0 to infinity is d * (1/(a-1) + (1/a^0)) = d + d/(a-1) Consider if a = 2, this means we get a total distance we look at a distance of d + d/(2-1) = 2d. If we were to find the distance traveled when the two meetup, we can find it using d / v * t. Notice, if the cheetah is moving twice as fast as the snail, it will move twice in the same amount of time, therefore if they start at a distance d from the snail, and the snail moves a distance d from it's starting point, the cheetah will have moved 2d in that time, so they will be at the same point. This means after all the infinite frames, they will be precisely where they meet up. We could do the same thing looking at time instead of distance and find that after an infinite number of catch ups a finite amount of time will have elapsed.
@gdmathguy
@gdmathguy 4 дня назад
​@@memuskhan9976It isn't a paradox. Because convergence exists. In calculus you learn about plenty of ways infinite sums converge. This mathematical "paradox" is just the equivalent of taking a limit on a linear function on a point which is already defined. The cheetah is going to catch the snail, due to the distance becoming 0, and it's gonna catch it in a finite amount of time.
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