Everyone’s WRONG About Ryzen 9000! 

No that will be in 6 years

​@@MEXTMusics I don't know what you are talking about. AMD now releases new CPU generations every 2 years. 9 to 15 is 6, but that's 6x2 since it's every 2 years.

in will probably get same fps lmaooo

​@@POLARTTYRTMactually they skip even numbers for generation so ryzen 7000 was zen 4 8000 was zen 4 apu 9000 is zen 5 10000 will be zen 5 apu then 11000 will be zen 6 meaning it's only 3 gens for 15000 so barely 6 years.

Ryzen 11000 in 2 years, 13000 in 4 and then 15000 in 6​@@POLARTTYRTM

I got the Ryzen 7 1700+ on the release week. A good B350 board. Had BIOS updates every week, memory speeds changed up and down with each one, for most of the first year. It eventually settled. Board still works great to this day!

Zen1 are not same thing and it was bad vs Intel competiton again of that time and now stil are

Next week the bigger chips come out with a higher TDP. I'm thinking that is going to make a big difference.

@@Mr11ESSE111 Zen1 mainly lacked clock, the IPC was - if I remember correctly - near to Intel. Zen1 had deficiences when it came to gaming or any other workloads that mainly relied on single core performance. As soon as you could use 6-8 cores, AMD pulled ahead, simply because in the beginning Intel only had 4 cores.

@@johnscaramis2515 zen1 comes after bulldozer and could not be more worse then it

Looks like the 9000 series is barely any better. Like 4%. Not worth upgrading for you. Should have gone with Intel.

@@cuzr702X3D for 9000 could be worth it. Remains to be seen

@@cuzr702 Yeah, Intel definitely is the way to go now. Who doesn't want to spend several hundred $$ on a new CPU just to watch it fail in less than a year?

​@@cuzr702 with pbo its about 15% if you oc your stuff you get over 20% oc vs oc. Mem tuning goes nuts for 9000 series

@@MadMaxx1977 Do you know warranties exist?

So it is kinda like being Mussolini for a while

@@ФедяКрюков-в6ьbasically, but with less Hugo-boss embroidery

When it's all right, there's nothing left 😉

@@Dr.RichardBanks but that was the only thing cool about it =(

x3d zen5 would not offer nothing spectacular over 7800x3d or 3-5% maybe uplift in fps on average of 10-15 games or more and only because AMD would clock it higher then 7800x3d

@@Mr11ESSE111 how do you know it's not even close to out yet..

​@@TheTweaker1I mean he's probably not wrong, the 9000 series is slower than 7000 in some cases. Doesn't make the 9800x3d look like it's going to be much of an uplift. The x3d models just add a ton of L3 cache, they're the same chips otherwise, meaning it's not looking good for a 7800x3d successor

@@TheTweaker1We know because AMD has not improved clock speeds or a fast enough memory controller. They also have not improved on their chiplet design to combat the latency issues it has. The 9800x3d will basically be a more power efficient 7800x3d with a %5 performance gain.

@@TheTweaker1 because they will wait situation with Arrow lake probably and this normal cpus are not out yet and x3d could be shitty too as this normal ones

That's how I view AMD's offerings this time. Normal consumers will have to take longevity into consideration. All these gamer guys online, this is not even the market segment for them so all the gaming benchmarks are pointless. The market segment AMD created for gamers 2 years ago was the X3D chips and this launch ain't that.

Not a fan of any chips above 120w. But at this point, i can't think of an amd user that doesnt use the PBO. AMD is purposely limiting the performance by limiting the power because they know they'll have no competition this time around. So they are just withholding the performance from us, so they can release a new batch of these refreshed processors when intel is back. And they also know that most am5 users will not upgrade this year anyways.

GN has the 9700x as the most efficient desktop CPU ever. I haven't seen any OC reviews yet, will look for some.

Lmao u mean they can’t hack legit ddr5 ram speeds so they have to make excuses. What a fan boy. Keep telling yourself that.

@@godnamedtay AMD has had issues with ram since the fx series. Honestly, fanboys are horrible, but AMD fanboys are intolerable. It's like their shit doesn't stink. These companies only care about money, fanboys think the companies care about them. By the way guys, AMD is moving into A.I, so you better get mad and say they're ditching gamers like you said Nvidia was doing. Also, Intel is better with multi-core performance... Why does this sound familiar? "Cough" Ryzen 3000 series "Cough" "Cough"

Or glorify maximum performance (top end processors with high end cooling, $1000+ GPUs, and 1500watt power supplies) in order to push product for their sponsors.

lol no, zen 5 is trash. It’s overpriced, 3-8% more power efficient and worse performing garbage that can’t get stable ram speeds above 5000 to save its life. wtf are u even talking about?

@@godnamedtay its much more power efficient than 3-8 percent. 9700 performs better at less than half the wattage of 7700X.

The 9700x performs better than the 7700x by only 5-10% even when the 7700x is limit to 65w. And that’s the productivity performance. For gaming performance, even the Raptor Lake refresh has better improvement than the 9700x.

As all the CPUs at release are

​@@ФедяКрюков-в6ь No

Lame. It's excellent at current pricing. Less than 7800X3d with better benchmarks other than games AND 65W TDP so less power cost.

so you want them to do an intel and never reduce the prices so their next gen actually looks good?

True for a replacement, for a new system it's better than last geneeration.

Anything above 64GB is a gamble. Usually, with 128GB, the support for OC'd ram is out the window. So, you are left with ram at an unimpressive speed. However, when grabbing 128GB of data at a time, you don't really rely on the frequency so much.

Level1Techs said that officially they don't even support 5200 if you use more than 2 (dual channel) memory slots. Memory Controller seems to be about if not the same. The RDNA is also v2 which is same as 7000s even though they even had RDNA3 for 8000s. The only good thing is the TDP which only works for the most hardcore enthusiasts via OC and most basic usage via saving on the electricity bills. Usually in common usage you don't need above 64GB ... if you need more, you might wanna try more cores instead as there are the ThreadRipper options for multitasking and tasks like compiling etc. which can be done in parallel. Extreme amounts of RAM are more server friendly or apps with memory leaks friendly.

Astrophotography stacking with large sets of subframes can use lots of RAM. My 5900x has 128gb of RAM for what we call lucky imaging.

AMD has no idea how to handle ddr5. It’s been obvious since the release of of AM5. They can’t figure it out. EXPO is laughable. They tried to prolong the release of zen 5 but they can’t help it. It’s even worse than zen 4, especially with ram compatibility and speeds. It’s such a joke. These CPU’s are complete trash. The zen 4 x3d chips outperform and have better compatibility than any of these zen 5 pieces of sh*t.

@@kamikaze00007 last I heard it was exactly the same IO die as the 7000 series.

slightly better, slightly more power-efficient IPC improvement for a generation was not controversial when Intel did it for a decade, and with good reason. The bigger issue I think will be how the world handles the sunset of x86, if that actually happens; but even there the exponential increases can't continue forever.

well, when someone is charging $400 for a new product, it would be nice if it was meaningfully better than its predecessor, and the 9700x is not. And it costs more than the 7700x. It's a chip that just doesn't make sense. That's reality.

​@@hermean What do you mean it wasn't controversial when intel did it? It was extremely controversial. People rightfully complained about how dissapointing they were every single generation since Sandy Bridge and the new ones were generally derided as not worth bothering with. The only reason they kinda got away with it was because AMD was effectively out of the competition. Once AMD started to compete again, they became a laughing stock for it. 14nm+++ is a literal meme. 14th gen also elicited something between a collective shrug and ridicule. Also if your new product isn't meaningfully better than the old one than what's the point. Single digit performance and efficiency gains are disappointing at the best of times. But much like with intel it back in the day it could be an underwhelming realease but hey at least they are technically better than the old ones, might as well get the new ones. What makes this a bad release is the pricing. The new product being significantly more expensive than the old one is teribble even if there are big performance gains, if the performance is as underwhelming as it is here it's just insulting. And we're talking about price increases to the tune of 70%-80% when comparing them to the 7600 and the 7700, and yes AMD can add as many Xs to the name as they want those are the parts they are competing with. Sure they perform better in some data center applications and that'll be relevant for Epyc and Threadripper and if we're being really generous maybe the 12 and 16 core parts, but these are very firmly in the consumer segment and they should be evaluated as such.

we shall surrender the warranty, overclock em

actually, they won't even bother to check if you overclock it

@@manusiaorang2842 yeah I know. I just watched Vex video about that. I personally still rocking with my Ryzen 5 2600 and RX 570. Looking forward to upgrade to 5700X3D someday and some decent card for 1080p gaming 😜

@@BADMIXofficial what's your motherboard

@@manusiaorang2842 I have MSI B450 Gaming Plus. Also I heard a hissing from power section on motherboard when I'm doing GPU heavy tasks like gaming or rendering a vid. I'm sure it's not GPU fans. Idk this mobo can hold this 8 core CPU. xD It's just gonna blow up xD

A fellow ztt cult follower

lol, only a intel meatrider would write that

Stock settings are a underclock, so you are technically not overclocking the CPU

where its on par ?? Bauer are asshole with 2-3 games !! go watch fackn Kitguru which have 3-4 games and 150+ watt raise 9700x and fps are same or 1-2%+- so dont bullshit

Reviewers got lazy with all the factory oveclocked processors

Bauer are lazy and he show game which prefer this cpu not 13 or more games

for a mere 170w vs 80w power draw

Except the 9600x and 9700x is also dishing blue screen

That’s exactly what I did with my 7800x3d. I paired it with 7200 CL34-42-42-84-126 And clocked it down to 6200 CL26-36-31-30-61 with no issues.

So basically, overclock it yourself to get close to the leaked performance numbers, which voids your warranty... If there truly is so much headroom for overclocking, couldn't they just up the clocks from the box? Because as it stands right now, without overclocking, you are better off with 7000 series.

@swagtrap8358 I'm not saying to buy this gen and do it yourself. I'm saying simply what it's looking like the generation would take to hit those numbers Basically just giving a discretion or tip to those who are interested Ill be taking the risk but it's definitely not a plugnplay generation. Better of with a 7000x3d chip if that's what you want I'll be waiting for the 9000x3d though

except they dont give it enough power to get higher clocks

@WayStedYou wdym Isn't that the point of undervolting and overclocking. AMD themselves have shown these chips can actually oc pretty high. Supposedly this time it's not like normal amd where it falls off pretty quickly in terms of performance from extra wattage. Can't speak to whether or not that is true but it's what I've heard and seen

Much like the RTX 4060 release

Ryzen 10900K

@@ФедяКрюков-в6ь Yep that is going be like a copy of Intel’s

You mean ryzen 10900x ​@@ФедяКрюков-в6ь

AMD may name it Ryzen AI like the mobile products

Idk if micron or samsung have the stable modules ready. Ddr5 7200mhz is already 15-20% more expensive than 6000mhz.

​@@Riyozsu15-20% ? Nah more expensive. Can find 32GB 6000MHz CL30 to CL36 for ± 100€ max 120€.

@noob... - If you run 6,800MHz or higher SK Hynix single rank on that 9700X, you will be between 2-8% in gains above ths 7800X3D in gaming. It is simple. But the manual had SERIOUS misinformation. Such as, the 9000 series only support 5,200MHz SPD ram. Well.... the ACTUAL AMD site for those processors says, 5,600MHz is the SPD support for ram. Hmmmmmm weird.... Also, no one runs SPD configurations when they but an X CPU or a K CPU.

​@@RiyozsuI got 2x 16GB 7,200MHz sticks (32GB) of SK Hynix single rank of RGB ram CL 34 for $124 CAD. LoL. You spend more than that on coffee, tea, or Gatorade in 6 months. It is CHEAP!!!

It’ll be 50 years before AMD even tries to tackle this feat.

I saw you calling out the memory support difference weeks ago. You are right. I did the research myself and AMD, themselves, said the SPD support is 5600 for zen5. Meaning, a 400 mhz jump at SPD would equate to at least 6800 on the expo or oc.

people is really focused at the performance, they do not understand that amd does put effort in lower power consumption

Exactly! Stability over speed. The mid range chips are the balancing act of this. You want peak performance, go for the higher end chips. I'd honestly still go for the XPO ram anyway just for the stability.

​@@AnticipatedHedgehogstability is pretty much the same as zen 4, just lower power limit . at least you're not calling them low end chips

@manusiaorang2842 power savings is always a plus. Who knows how high electricity rates are going to go.. True, these are still darn good CPUs!

I've been screaming the memory support differences since AMD's official page (for the 9700X) went up weeks ago. But.... on DAY ONE!! All the techs ran for the 'aMd oFfiCiAl gUiDe' to follow the exact instructions. 😑

@@asmongoldsmouth9839 most i saw used 6000 as amd calls it "sweet spot", some even went 6400 tweaked, which funnily enough with 7900XTX did have ~12% uplift and up to 19% relative to stock 7700X, so OC vs stock, orange to apples, but another point of reference edit: but don't worry, Intel supports only 4400 speeds using 2 sticks, so anyone using 7200 for testing is wildly out of spec

"support" does not necessarily mean jedec's standard but...imo it should be that way

@@asmongoldsmouth9839 someone from intel joined amd as it seems

AMD lies. Haven’t u figured that out yet? Have u not ever seen ANY of their first party benchmarks. They lie, lie, and lie some more. Why in tf would u believe ANYTHING they say? Are u serious right now? Lmao

ands gn posted a pretty in depth review. stock for stock its only impressive feat was being close to 7700x at lower power draw.

LTT didn't exactly praise those chips, check again if you care.

Same or slightly lower at 65W TDP vs older chip at 105W TDP (88W vs 142W actual draw.) That's pretty good. Some reviewers opened up the PBO to allow the higher power draw, and it kicked the last generations butt at the same Watts.

@@hrayz Not in Gaming.

Also at the same time the warranty is void when going past 5200MT/S 🤔

@@Airwolf2030 that's always been the "rules" but has never been followed.

​​@@Airwolf2030also void if pbo gets activated..

No one?

it was leaks and rumors, if you are new to tech news channels, welcome to reality

@@betag24cn but they talk like its real just like now for rtx 5090 for year and half and Nvidia dont show nothing,probably dint even start to develop!!AMD was smoking glue with those lying benches on CES Too

It does void your warranty and if you tell them that, they are within their right to deny you support. Buy like you said, they have no way of verifying so just lie to them...

intel is or rusting or burning itself, about to release non e cores cpus and thinking on removing hiperthreading, soon, i dont expect much from them

yeah intel will release more 400 watt cpus because benchmarks

That and the MLID perspective are good ones to contrast. Laptop reviewers like the "AI" line, it seems. Desktop 9000 seems pretty unimpressive unless they can eek some more performance out of it.

Checked his channel out, and it was an interesting take on the market. Thanks for sharing! Hoping for a better result for the 9950x and 9950x3D.

Good decision

Intel is way ahead of these new amd chips is most tests. It is strange that they do certain task better than others.

buy stuff. plug it in. it works. you can game. want best performance? get ddr5-6000. turn on expo or docp in bios. it's two knowledge points. buy ddr5-6000 ram. turn on ram overclock. nothing complex.

probably shouldn't be building a pc if you want it to work out of the box, plenty of professionals that will go through the bs and build you a pc

@@Luke-Ryan Thanks again, I build all my own PC's. That way I get exactly what I want, motherboard, CPU, DRAM, GPU, etc.

@@skye7690 Sure but you said the average gamer just wants it to work out of the box which building your own pc doesn't ... that's what pre builts are for

@@salted2096 I see your point. I mean i just take CPU or CPU out of its box, plug it into the motherboard, and basically it just works. Many users don't like a lot of tweaking, though some folks do.

OMG it's sooooooooo fkn simple!!! just use 6000mhz!

@@virusesgaming5129 chill dude just asked a question. No shit I can lower it just would be less slower so would it be more preformance effective to keep it the normal or lower. Also u didn't say shit about warrenty