Everyone Who Tried This Has FAILED - Khadas Mind Modular PC 

4 years old. The COVID beard only showed up in 2020.

@@TheHammerGuy94i want the COVID beard back nonetheless!

Its becoz he got a hydra-facial

@@TheHammerGuy94he’s comparing His look from 10 years ago not 4 years ago. You definitely don’t sound as smart as you thought with that correction huh?

@@themeetvorahail hydra

wow you got the joke

I'd imagine he got permission from her to make that joke

​@@poletooke4691He didn't

Well, it was nice knowing Linus.

If you and your SO aren’t capable of handling a joke, get a new SO

Yeah i really Loled

Hahaha a kid once told me had a button which he could press and ot would open up a tenniscourt from the ground! And little me believed it and was super inpressed! Lol!

I had a kid tell me that he had a antivirus tower defense game and that if he let the virus pass and you lost, the virus got into the computer, affecting the files. I kinda believed him, later thought it was just a stupid lie and now I think it might have been some sort of ransomware xD

"my uncle works at nintendo" type beat lmaooo

When I took a girl home (both of us were over 18) at night and there is a large antenna in the forest with two red lights. She asked what it was, I said a giant robot I'm building in the forest... She believed it... 😁

Probably had that awful thermaltake level10 case and didn't know better

to be fair khadas has a great history with pin compability on ther sbc. So this might even be a good product.

TBF, this isn't new- the old Dell E7240 also has a similar docking port, its just that later models moved to thunderbolt/USB docks.

I could totally see this work, but it has to be priced right and be a standard other companies can also create products for.

As long as they publish the pin out and a few crafty people get their hands on it, there will be a great DIY/Modding community to support it with new peripherals, and hopefully someone entrepreneuring enough to actually make and sell hardware, even if Khadas doesn't necessarily last. A lot of people have being waiting for something like this, so I am sure that a few of them would run wild with that pinout diagram.

PCs are already modular anyway. These concepts just make it harder with the new compatibility issues.

I was so confused, never thought they'd go from tone board to mind pc

I think they missed an opportunity to appeal to Audiophiles with the Mind. Granted that's probably a good thing (compare it to the several thousand dollar 10lb Digital Audio Players that have become popular). Then again, maybe Tone 3 will be a Mind device?

Just not necessary to justify cost Tbf, had a thunderstorm knock out power for a second and then come back on and my pc was running tomb raider throughout lol

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it's probably a write-off...

@@jpfidalgo7 I hope you are joking about his rant….

​@@jpfidalgo7you didnt get the joke

⁠@@DmadPs you didn’t get JD’s joke lol

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@linustechtips

More hot tub pics coming

@@Amerikanskis with Computer Hardware. Yes it's hilarious.

I dunno, I think the steamdeck excels this in multiple way

I think your wrong, steamdeck is not this well expandable@@iPodHikARu

Yeah. It‘s suspicious, right? How many monitors support redundant power supply from usb-c. I know portable monitors that do. But that doesn’t look like one and you likely don’t use one one your desktop, since they are shit and smaller. Did @LinusTechTips fake this for sponsorship by just turning off the light?

@@stonemannerieprobably just a demonstration.

so then what do you gain by using that over a laptop?

@@somerandomnpc9795 If you dont want to work mobile you can just plug it in your "Home Dock" and all the Monitors and Periphals will work without having to plug them all in (as with a laptop). Its also easier to transport the mini Computer than a Laptop.

@@somerandomnpc9795Usually the benefit of a laptop dock is convenience. You can have all your screens, power, ethernet, peripherals etc. plugged into the dock on your desk, then you can just plug a single cable into your laptop. The advantage of this particular dock is much more bandwidth, so you could have something like a graphics card on your desk for gaming, and dock your laptop to it. tbh, I can't think of any other advantages.

@@somerandomnpc9795This is far, far more compact. Thermals may be considerably better too (I have to use a thinkpad for work and I've had to improvise legs for it out of post-it-note pads to keep it from overheating on the pre-installed rubber feet) especially given how small the battery on it is. Weight is also better, and the fact that it's designed to hot-swap with gadgets means you could have it basically constantly switching between whatever form factor you need at that moment. I run into that a lot at my job, if I could have my thinkpad be a 2oz tablet when I need to show somebody something or bring it over to another desk that would be way better than trying to either bring my whole 5lb laptop or trying to reposition my ONE 34in monitor (my 2 others are smaller, including the thinkpad's screen, I do CAD at work) so that someone far away can see it

@@phuzz00 I believe he meant what advantages are gained over just using a normal laptop and dock

You're leaving the docking station behind. NUCs have been around for years and are still around.

@@charlesturner897 I'm saying if someone had docks at all the different places they work, like if a company invested in the whole ecosystem and made them employee standard.

You could even make it so it has to be in a company owned dock to unlock and work, keeping the actual pc encrypted.

This is a very good idea. You could totally have it docked in a GPU dock at your desk, then pop the mind into a laptop and bring it anywhere you want! Obviously you can already make a VPN remote desktop out of your home PC and connect to it anywhere from your laptop, but this is another cool solution.

Or just always use a laptop and a dock... This is what I do at home and work, all for the price of just the mind component.

Kde mentioned

@@PushingFriend28 Is that a problem?

@@Lampe2020 no why

@@PushingFriend28 It seemed like you thought so.

​@@Lampe2020 how

I think the bases of this is for internal enterprise use. Everyone in the company with one base and one PC, need to make a presentation? Just take your PC and plug it in the base that are already connected to the projector or TV, needs to check a thing in another sector? Take your PC there. Also, with other platform available you could have everyone using the same base but some with more graphic power, to do 3D or graphic work and others just the hub for more office oriented jobs. But i think the size could be a compromise to have more powerful systems.

​@@pedro4205that sounds like a problem servers and thinclient have solved more than a decade ago, and a lot cheaper at scale than this thing.

I can see it being helpful for those of us who either work remote sometimes, or work at different stations throughout the day in an office and would like to bring our setup with us instead of logging into discreet sessions on each new PC across the day without our settings and everything there. Of course that would assume docks are available at each spot, but I guess you could theoretically not use that.

I mean you can just use any TV where you're going and a foldable keyboard. But it makes more sense for the extreme business oriented who take stuff on the go with them and need it well protected.

​@@pedro4205Not just enterprises, but it could also work in an academic setting where you will cycle through various rooms to work on your research and present lectures. Walking around with a mini PC that is entirely your own is much better than the standard practices of either having your large laptop to plug into everything that's needed (which my aunt does at her university) or to log into the same PC as everyone else (which is the case at the university I'm currently attending).

You can still press CTRL+S, but that is indeed an issue.

I just paused the video to see whether anyone else had mentioned this 😆

Just press the slumber/hibernate button. No problem ;)

it's better to have an UPS, everyone should have one.

I guess you need to plug the monitor and mouse keyboard to the device rather than the dock.

Of course it is. It's an attempt to use "modularity" as a way to market "Why get a tower when you could replace those standard components with.... the same thing but we charge you a premiium for them and you HAVE to buy them from us!"

​@@JamesR624 No current eGPUs have limited bandwidth over TB4, and this one uses an actual PCIE slot albeit modified meaning you can possibly get full speed Desktop GPU docks and have a proper gaming setup with the only thing needing to be added is the Mini pc, and the Hotswappable docks is a good thing then because you can have two GPU docks, one in your gaming room and one in the living room so if you have people over and want to play using controllers on the tv you dont have to buy a whole nother computer or console, and 4k 60 can be done with a 4060/4070 which is like 450/500 compared to 600 dollar consoles while still having advantage of upgradable storage that doesn't need to be Xbox or PS5 certified

@@theengineer2017 While that is true, that eGPUs to the level of a 4090 for example have limited bandwidth over TB4, the solution isn't this. 1st - This is an i7 low tdp mobile CPU. That will be a bottleneck long before the TB4. 2nd - USB5 is coming soon, which won't be bottlenecked nearly as much, eliminating that issue almost entirely. 3rd - The RTX 4070 is more expensive than the consoles, so you're just wrong on that. 4th - The RTX 4060 is not capable of 4K 60. I can't even get 1080p 60 in most new titles with my 4060. 5th - Having the modular PC provide no benefits compared to something like a HTPC or even a Lenovo Legion Go. Yes, a USB4 will be bottlenecked to an RTX 4090, but you're talking about RTX 4060/70 cards and they wouldn't be bottlenecked - not to mention the CPU in the Go would be more powerful than the device in the video. 6th - Nothing stops you from streaming from your PC to your TV. Latency is not really an issue with modern broadband for most developed areas. Or alternatively, can use a display port and wireless device. Basically, there are so many already existing alternatives that just do it already, but don't have insane costs to unsupported tech that doesn't fix a problem.

@@theengineer2017 Sure, an eGPU is bandwidth limited over TB4, but this thing is clearly CPU limited. If they can only hit a stuttering 60 FPS on low in CS2, a high-end GPU is going to be severely underutilized. I game on a laptop with TB4 using an eGPU, and while performance isn't quite what it would be in a full desktop, it's surprisingly close. For $1000, you can get a pretty decent laptop, especially if you don't need an internal GPU because you plan to game with an eGPU. And then you get something you can actually use on-the-go.

I'm glad your work demand is not hindered by the constraints of just having a laptop screen. But as soon as you prefer a monitor at your 2+ work spots, then the laptop screen is just added weight when traveling.

Me every time the teacher asks me to read outloud 😭😭

Pcie (especially pcie 5 but even 4) is really much more preferable to thunderbolt 4 if needing high bandwidth

@@SirSomnolent I thought thunderbolt basically was PCIe?

@@MadSpacePigWhy do you think GPUs use PCIE instead of USB C? (Other than compatibility.)

@@LambdaMiscellaneous from the second paragraph of Thunderbolt's Wikipedia page: "Thunderbolt combines PCI Express (PCIe) and DisplayPort (DP) into two serial signals,[9][10] and additionally provides DC power via a single cable."

I loved my projector. Somehow it actually came in handy on occasion

@@andrewmorris483 That was a nice one. Wished I had it!

The speaker was awesome on job sites

I miss it too phones are boring now other than chinese ones with no coverage in my country

Framework Desktop, perhaps? I like highly modular designs, but they do need to be supported beyond a single manufacturer (ideally through a standards body) to have more staying power. I remember getting pretty crazy battery life with the Moto Z with battery mod (I had the JBL speaker mod, as well) and was excited for that whole type of ecosystem from the Project Ara concept onward. But there really weren't enough mods, and the whole thing only lasted a few generations.

8955hx3d (god what a name) along with an egpu 5090 via something like occulink would probably be along the lines of 7800x3d + 4090, while drawing less power.

Why not just get the Minis Forum ITX motherboard?

or a decent ryzen....

That epuld need even more power but a windows phone 2.0 accessory would have both.

If this was a lot cheaper maybe it would have an advantage

Does the Surface Pro 9 use an actual dock or it's just a fancy dongle?

@koushiroizumi0 they have a good dock with all the i/o you need, using either proprietary connector or thunderbolt.

​@@koushiroizumi0what's the difference? The only thing you get with their "dock" is a proprietary connector. At least with thunderbolt you can use ANY thunderbolt dock.

Or go for an alternative brand. Pick up an ASUS Zenbook flip for a lot less, with all the same benefits of the Surface, with the added benefits of better build, less cost and better display.

Ohh lets not forget proprietary exspensive gpu docks! Woohoo

@@user-yj3mf1dk7bdid you not realize that its usb c power in only?

I mean I can tell you a couple things. 1. Volume of water doesn't necessarily correlate to cooling power since the real determinant of cooling power is dissipation not storage. A large volume of water can store a lot of heat energy sure, but as the temperature increases your heat transfer from the computer components into the tank will reduce (temperature differential is what drives heat transfer so hotter "cold" side = less heat transfer from the "hot" side). If you have a large radiator then you can take care of the heat dissipation BUT that negates the purpose of the large tank of water. 2. As per 1. the volume of water does not govern the cooling temperature. The large volume of water would need to be cooled BELOW the temperature you want your components to run at, and since water is so good at holding heat energy you will be spending a LOT more money to cool it. The difference between boiling 1 cup of water vs 10 cups of water is pretty significant, you can test this for yourself. Same pot, same element, same temperature--which one will boil faster? That concept works in reverse. Less energy to cool less fluid. So the only thing a large reservoir will do is resist temperature changes longer, but it won't get colder. 3. Condensation is governed by the humidity of the room you are in and the temperature of the components, both of which result in a dew point where water condenses out of the air. If your PC was in a room with 0% humidity then there would be no condensation, but you'd also dry up like a prune so that would be uncomfortable (also practically impossible to reach 0% in such a large space). 4. Potential temperatures again are dependant on other factors, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to have your temps change slower with a huge reservoir. Only problem is that temperature is going to increase steadily as you game, requiring a large heat rejection mechanism. At that point you're just paying more for less performance. 5. You could have as many pumps as you want, but running multiple separate loops that return to the same reservoir will be constrained by the same temperature increase issues mentioned above. 6. Aquarium Chiller/cooler looks like it could work but at that point it becomes a question of how much heat removal power it has. There are other products for similar prices that'll probably do the trick for you better since those chillers looks like they're designed for ambient temp of a large tank, not handling the large heat additions of a 500W system. You'd need a chiller that can max out at the same amount of power your PC uses. 7. Bubble makers would ruin your performance. Air is an excellent heat insulator so diffusion a bunch of air into your cooling loop would create tiny air pockets lining the lines and blocks that would prevent water from touching the metal and conducting heat energy away from the components. You could induce a laminar vortex into your reservoir to ensure that the cold/hot water is mixing to diffuse heat energy better, but at that point it's like... see 1-6 above. Some neat ideas there but the thermo doesn't really support it. Now if you had a centralized chiller unit that you could plug into with quick-disconnects then you could run chilled equipment throughout your house. That's getting into some wild territory though and I'm pretty sure Linus has done something like that. If you still like the aquarium idea then do it but fill it with mineral oil and drop all the components in it. Lots of PCs like that these days

@@liamthedevastator I understand what you are saying. The reason I am so interested in a PC case with an large/big attached reservoir is because I have my own water cooled PC and also like aquariums, and many times when it came to cleaning my aquariums (29 Gallon & 10 Gallon tanks), I would notice that the water was much much cooler on the bottom of the aquariums. I do use bottom filter system that pulls water from the top and down and a little tube/pipe system releases the water back into the top of the tank, I have noticed that with a bottom filtration system that surface water (top layer water) is much much cooler than if it was still. I do agree that the bubble jets could in fact be counteractive, but at the same time, if using a bottom filtration system, that pulls water down with bubbles that push water (and air) up, it would cause a churning current within the tank that could dissipate the extra heat within the water, as warmer water from the surface would be pulled down into the cooler bottom which would dissipate some heat and the current trying to push water and air up, could trap some heat and release it into the air part of the reservoir. And depending on the aquarium cooler/chiller you use, you could do surface cooling which could cool any coolant returned to the reservoir, mid level chiller/cooler which cools from middle and below more, and bottle cooler/chiller which rest at the bottom of the tank to cool the bottom, and with the bottom filter system, would pull the cooled water down into the bottom and released on top. If confused on what I mean by Bottom filter system, here is a cheap version of one: www.amazon.com/Penn-Plax-Undergravel-Filter-Aquarium/dp/B003UTNOU6/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1DO1T41XUQOT0&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.FngpvUXcQLBOyF-56OhPlhQPap5D310b1oSl-Rb2tpOnq25_zb7WvqYZjqK7XBU-yx2a1rb-tCxPtA0FWtcDZUEi4XSZiVqqWDwuUQf-H3ghHl9ZKolRn4tYpedha0D2TF64MvjsTjK4S1qo7zJK1TW1lVFJpqRhKCItnddYp3-TrHf57ZcVIhZ_LerF0WxBNCnBp3W7PrPhSPXpGdGPdvP-KBmF4m7h_GeIo6dCLNCx7APm2KPhZHh8oaB5-pEGvdPK0l93klRS_5V1jodj1lUNuZnHE37MdRkG_vPOJi8.h4BQtpjoJuwXQG8mXIGdHqhyN7KmkhFVaTyadlSdBNw&dib_tag=se&keywords=bottom%2Bfilter&qid=1711487956&sprefix=bottom%2Bfilter%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-3&th=1 With that type of filter to pull water below and other accessories including a Chiller or cooler, should keep the heat down, and with PC Radiators or any good radiator (Cause apparently car radiators can work according to LTT), the temps should be much cooler. I still would love to see official results from a real live test though.

Did those docks have PCIe x8 for an external GPU ?

@@bastienx8I had a Dell dock at work back in the day which had a PCI connector in it. Not PCIe, but PCI! (It also had a slot for a CD drive that took the same module as Dell laptops of the time, I used a 3.5" floppy disk module. It even had a socket for a phone line and a built in modem, serial, SPDIF and VGA. It was pretty baller for the mid-2000's)

​@@bastienx8there are docks that took GPUs, yes, and an eGPU can connect via thunderbolt and offer other ports too. It's a lot of effort, price, and proprietary engineering just to go from x4 lanes to x8 lanes.

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Whats your use case?

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@@cowmilkbiz ahaha, lol it's true ))) I was going to ask about why is it revolutionary, if hardware is slower than in laptops? What problem do they solve NOW, not 10 years earlier

Yeah. Feels like they just reviewed a device with a proprietary docking station port. Laptops used to have this for years. Not sure what’s exciting about this.

the video literally said pcie gen 5 x8 (running as gen4 x8 rn). TB4 is way too little bandwidth for sth like a eGPU without significant bottlenecks. Also up to 200w vs 140w of Thunderbolt

​​@@EinTypOhneHandlethis is pcie gen 5 x8 vs pcie gen3x4 of Thunderbolt? Also 200w vs 140 of Thunderbolt

Thunderbolt has lower bandwidth and additional latency, plus some of the capabilities shown here aren't replicated with thunderbolt docks. I would argue that this solution is superior if you're using an eGPU, as I especially found it to be rather finicky on my TB3 laptop.

@@mcslender2965 laptop CPUs are nowhere near powerful enough to be bottlenecked by thunderbolt, and USB-C can do 240w with specific devices. The benefit is thunderbolt can be used with any thunderbolt dock, this abomination can ONLY be used with it's specific proprietary dock.

My thoughts exactly

A battery-powered computer with a battery-powered monitor. Why hasn't anyone invented that yet? */s*

To be fair, I would imagine the power button, by default, is a quick tap to sleep. Failing that, a shortcut is fairly easy to set up.

Definitely a fair point... to me the appeal would be another version of this, the protection against loss of data/restart during short power failures. Its very rare for me to get hit with a power failure of any real duration, but I bet I get 6+ per year of like 5-30 second hits. That said, it wouldn't be enough to make me BUY it, but I did think it was neat. :)

Just plug your monitor into a UPS and pretend like the UPS doesn't already solve the problem that the Khadas is solving lol

He is secretly upgrading note 9’s internal components and makes a super phone out of it.

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@@Nderak Note 9 with roasted garlic is fire!

@@JanTheLitterboxAnd butter, don’t forget the butter.

Yeah they'd need a UPS for that, which defeats the purpose as then you wouldn't need the battery in the device itself. But it could still be helpful by keeping your stuff saved until the power comes back

Same, it's a great concept. A lot more people are working from home more often. Personally, if I could take a much smaller box between home and work, knowing I have decent screens in both locations, I'd be all for it. Not everything I work on can be kept in the cloud, no matter the internet connectivity, so local storage and a GPU is still a necessity. Maybe now, most people have a decent setup at home, but also, maybe they just use their laptop screens. WFH support from some companies has been really bad, with people having to pay for their own screens, etc (or, indeed, not buying them).

USB stick PCs exist already

Cool, then the company also has to buy a dock, monitors, keyboard and mouse if they want to use it at home, instead of just taking a laptop home. If you don't need a monitor, keyboard, mouse and just want something portable, just use a NUC

@@charlesturner897 So you're saying this entire modular PC design is DOA because miniPC's exist?

But tell me, what does this do that the laptop can't do?

More than 20 years ago - where I was working at my intern year in 1996, we had Toshiba laptops with docks that did exactly that. The high end docking stations basically turned the thing into a full desktop (think full-size PCI expansion, optical drive bay, additional hard drives etc).

Yepp. This thing is basically just a laptop without screen and keyboard. It has absolutely nothing in common with a modular pc, and the video just a long add that intentionaly tries to mislead in presentation.

PCMCIA based? Security nightmare that hopefully will not happen again

Yeah I really don't get the point of this. Thunderbolt 4 already does all of this, what? It gives slightly more bandwidth? Cool I guess. All the inconvenience of having to buy multiple docks with none of the benefits of having an additional screen, keyboard and mouse with the parent machine. And yes, I have a w500 and z61p that have a bottom docking connector that passes PCIe through to allow for a GPU in the dock.

Agreed

Micro PCs have been around for a long time... look a NUCs for example?

​@@ABaumstumpf Portable =/= small... Form aside, as nuc are often cube that would hardly fit in a computer bag, but some mini pc are more flat, did you even think for a moment about using a nuc as anything portable before commenting? Mini pc do not have battery and almost always use external power brick... Just that make is enough to kill the idea But they also got, at best, only thunderbolt for docking (and if you saw the video above you know why the custom dock port is a huge deal). And they wont support charge through it anyway. And how would you use it on the go? with an USB in the bag??

@@Damian-rp2iv "as nuc are often" Yeah if YOU choose to get a larger model than that is just your fault. "did you even think for a moment about using a nuc as anything portable before commenting?" did you? Clearly not - judging by your previous statement devoid of reason. "And how would you use it on the go? " Good question - how would you use this box here on the go? Did you even watch the video? Cause they clearly stated, in a way even gradeschoolers would be able to understand, that you can Not use this as a mobile device. So we are nto just back to square one, your comments are so wrong you are going backwards.

@@ABaumstumpf or those tiny optiplexes

​@@ABaumstumpf oh sry, I did not get you was either trolling or acting dumb for some reason... Wont waste more time, have a good day (If anyone else read that and genuinely wonder the same questions I would suggest a quick look at 5:15 at to read, carefully, what I've wrote)

Literally just don't use the word literally. "Just buy an ASUS ROG ALLY Z1 EXTREME." Same sentence, except doesn't make u sound like a 3 year old who learnt a new word.

@@verakoo6187literally literally literally

She was literally correct, what are you literally complaining about? @@verakoo6187

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