EVERYTHING about the KIRTLAND TEMPLE Purchase 

You're welcome ❤

@@helenezeigler3665are you a community of christ member?

Yes, and so were my parents, grandparents and Great- Grandparents. ❤

I like how you said "the" lds church then mention the shared heritage. Most of the stuff bought was probably burnt so we will never know the truth. this wasn't a purchase it was a hostage situation.

The Salt Lake Mormons generously funded the upkeep of the Kirtland Temple over the years.

More truth will come out, hope bednar sees it as it comes.

No they won’t. They’ll now totally control the narrative

one of their "prophets" ( the grand-nephew of Joseph, the grandson of Hyrum) cut a page out of Joseph's journal to hide their history from members and outsiders. That is just one example of many, they have engaged in historical revisionism throughout their entire history.

I agree, CoC members are very nice and were super cool when we toured the Kirtland Temple some years ago, and admitted, the Temple has not been restored as it should, and said some 99% of people who come visit the Kirtland Temple, are Latter-day Saints as CoC members are very small in number and don't have much interest in it.

@@MrArtist7777 100%

This was a false sale - this was NOT approved by the ACTUAL BODY OF THE COMMUNITY OF CHRIST.

Yeah almost sad we won't be able to run into them as much anymore for tours :(

I served my LDS mission in Minnesota where there is a good population of CoC members. Very happy to have been able to meet and talk with some of their members.

It is KIRTLAND, not kirkland!!!

​@@susanmcconnell6041 People get the second K from the Walmart Sam's Club brand named Kirkland. I still sometimes confuse Kirtland Air Force Base with having a K, for this reason...lol. Both Kirtland Air Force Base and Kirtland, Ohio have the T, one K.

Not the Church Of Christ ……Community of Christ.

If you aren't a Mormon, why do you consider The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the "rightful" people? The Community of Christ, as well as several other sects of Mormonism have the same history as the Brighamite branch. Did you know the Community of Christ used to be called the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and was started by Joseph Smith's first wife and their son? It's just an odd comment.

This was not "rightly returned". This was purchased for a gigantic sum of money from a community that it belonged to...

@jaybravo2199 Maybe we are the rightful owners because the front of the temple reads "built by the Latter Day Saints," and the community of Christ abandoned that title over 20 years ago.

@@BrianTerrill I don’t know if you are being serious. The brighamite branch is the rightful owner because they paid a butt load of money for it.

@@BrianTerrilland the LDS church abandoned the name Mormon, but still claim lots of things with that name slapped on it. Bit of a silly argument.

Why is it great blessing to all the people of the world? Be specific.

I don't understand... why does this benefit the world?

Please answer the two previous commentor's question......Thanx

Why is this a blessing to the world.

Yes. Those elements were added later.

Plus they are already building a temple near by so there really isn't a strong need for that to happen in Kirtland.

Why do you say that? Can you cite an alleged prophecy or claim that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints purchasing the Kirtland Temple is a "sign of the time"?

@jaybravo2199 I can but it would take some time typing them. I am a church history major and religious scholar but you would need to read every book I have to understand. I can help you if you like.

@@RICREYNOLDSMUSIC ahhh… you’ve read enough between the lines to find an obscure connection… sounds like the start to every fringe religion and cult to have ever started.

@@jaybravo2199 Every religion on earth has been started by a man. Even your church. The only difference is there is one true God.

@@RICREYNOLDSMUSIC and whose version of God is the one true God? Those belonging to Islaam, Judaism, Buddhism, any of the countless flavors of Christianity?

One thing I have liked is how much the foot notes of the LDS copy of the New Testament refers us to the inspired version of the NT.

Not a good idea to alter the temple for weird practices and goofy hand shakes. 😜

Yeah feels like it's mostly setup for the assembly hall. With good things to continue on in the next one! :)

AGREE

​@@jake8882😢,QUE EL SEÑOR DERRAME BENDICIONES SOBRE USTED.

@@hectorfedericovazquezmarro9568 Gracias!!! Mucho!!

I was thinking about the upcoming Relief Society broadcast that is scheduled for the anniversary of the organization of the Relief society, which was organized on March 17, 1842, upstairs in the Red Brick Store. It would be amazing if they broadcast that event from the Red brick Store. . I think it is awesome that The Church of Jesus Christ was able to acquire the Red Brick Store, just 12 days before the Relief Society birthday of March 17th. I have been to Kirtland and Nauvoo both, several times but not since 2021, and because of lack of money, the Community of Christ was unable to staff the Kirtland Temple and Red Brick Store so did not get to go into either at that time ( Shortly after that Return Senior Missionaries would go to Kirtland and offer to give tours for free. They were able to do so under the direction of the CoChrist. I am going again in September to Nauvoo I am looking forward to going though the buildings with missionaries called to serve there. I went to Kirkland Temple twice in 2022, now I want to go again. I most likely will in 2025. I live in Wyoming close to Mormon Pioneer trail. I am a Church History buff and love going to the sites.

@@VaLynne1 I have never been to any church sites. How blessed you are to be able to go. Peace

It’s too small for conferences. The faithful won’t fit in!

Cause…Jesus just can’t come back until the LDS church owns it again and builds a temple there?

The Community of Christ does not own the Temple Lot. The Church of Christ (originally known as The Church of Christ Temple Lot) owns the 300 sq. ft. lot. But we know the Prophet will be able to acquire it when the Lord wants it done. .

@@VaLynne1 That didn’t answer my question.

I'd rather see them succeed and be happy in their belief system.

The differences in doctrine would make that quite unlikely. Huge differences.

I would hazard a guess that its a problematic part of the story... Jospeh claimed both Elias and Elijah came to visit, when in fact "Elias" is merely the Greek name of the Hebrew prophet "Elijah."

After Joseph Smith Jr was martyred, the Twelve Apostles took the leadership role. The President of that body at the time was Brigham Young. (Later he would reconstitute a new First Presidency.) At a large meeting in which he and other would-be leaders spoke, some in the audience reported him taking on the voice or appearance of Joseph Smith. The Apostles were responsible for leading missionary efforts in other parts of the US, Canada, Britain, Denmark, etc., so the membership in those places almost entirely followed the apostles. This became The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which relocated across the Plains to Salt Lake City. But it's worth noting that many in Nauvoo did not. The several other would-be leaders gathered their own flocks. Some stayed in that area. Some traveled back to Missouri, or to Texas, or Wisconsin, or other locations. A decade later, Joseph Smith III (who was a child when his father died) claimed the role of Prophet and President of the church was meant to be hereditary. He gathered people from many of these scattered groups into The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They rejected plural marriage and other practices that developed in the Nauvoo era, like the temple ceremonies. They largely focused on the Kirtland era of the early church, and moved their headquarters to Independence, Missouri.

Thanks so much for this answer. Full of enlightening. But now... the community of Christ do not have ceremony in temple, isn’t it ? Are they believe in the BOM and D&C and the pearl of great price ?

@@TheFranchiseCA Excellent answer!

You mean Kirtland Temple? Maybe fix with an edit or delete and repost. Love and blessings!

Your are right, I have been to the Kirtland Temple when all tours were made by the Community of Christ paid tour guides, and they do not mention any of the spiritual things that occurred there. But That visit was not just "one of the purposes of the Kirtland Temple, it was THE purpose of the Temple. No Baptisms or fullness of any of the ordinances were done there. Joseph did do "partial ordinances." but not the fulness. The Lord wanted it built so that Elijah, Elias, Moses and others could bring the keys to Joseph.

@@VaLynne1 "Elias" is merely the Greek name of the Hebrew prophet "Elijah." Thus, Joseph Smith made a fatal error by having Elias and Elijah be two different people, when they are in fact one and the same.

Either the COC would need to stop ordaining women to the priesthood... their current prophet is a woman... or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would have to start ordaining women. I don't see either happening.

I love that in 3 Nephi Jesus blesses the saints of that day with clear instruction on how baptism should be done without condemning or shaming those who were doing it incorrectly prior. I hope and pray wonderful dissenters of all faiths believing in Joseph Smith (at least up to various points) and the Book of Mormon-Another Testament of Jesus Christ will survive end-time destructions and be lovingly welcomed, corrected and blessed in a similar way. Prophecies say this will happen for the house of Judah, the Jews, and I hope for sincere followers and believers in God of EVERY religion and faith in the world, that Jesus will correct the doctrinal errors and unite all lovers of God and good!

Kinda like distant neighbors? I don't have a perfect answer for this...We kinda hung out with other youth missionaries of theirs in Nauvoo when I was there, they taught us some fun camp songs, but church wise it's like non intersect somehow...? :)

the cemetery was included in the deal!

apparently the nauvoo cemetery wasn't?@@JohnDLee-im4lo

…and who actually saw them? The witnesses all saw with “spiritual eyes”

​@HelloUser1 well said. I find it fascinating that the church only cherry picks history and glossea over the real issues with things like the first vision account(S) the book of.abraham mis translation, the D&C 132 issues. The stone im the hat problems etc. To say the least and many others I won't have time to address. I find that this is a great addition to the collection. Wonder why we can't get the gold plates back from the angel that took them and the sword of Laban. I want to see those artifacts

If you saw them tomorrow I'm sure you'd just find something else to knock, ridicule,not believe in, ask to see, etc etc...people who must be shown all things with their eyes, and prove all things materially have little to no faith and will never be satisfied with"proof" of anything...

@rdancranston so you believe in the Easter bunny I'm sure.

@@rdancranston you see I believed in Santa Claus until I was 8. I found out I was lied to. The church lied and continues to lie to protect the good name. So many issues and not enough truth. Let's find truth.

As I understand it, the documents were never secret and have been published before.

Why do you say that?

How long before the president of the LDS church his two counselors and the 12 apostles go to the temple in Kirtland, Ohio to counsel with the Lord?

But the Intellectual Reserve Church will need to turn everything over to those who have the real priesthood authority since they lost it over the past 130 years.

@@KB-nv4bl if you notice history you will see that Lorenzo Snow sadly recognized that the Lord was no longer able to give them revelation through his experiences in the Salt Lake Temple that we hear a modified version of regarding his appearance therein. The Intellectual Reserve Church has lost its way and it has progressively gotten worse over the past 130 years and it has to be restored yet again by faithful preservers of the priesthood once the Lord either cleans out the Intellectual Reserve or entirely restores it again.

That’s exactly what Joseph Smith said. 200 years ago

The church announced it will be kept as a historical site, free of charge to all who wish to come. That is one of the big blessings because when the Community of Christ owed it they had to charge so that they could pay the guides who took you through. This will be a blessing to the members of the Community of Christ as well as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

@@VaLynne1 I'll miss those paid guides. They were knowledgable and weren't shy about answering any questions presented and were able to expound upon things ignored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In contrast, I've found missionaries at other church owned historic sites tend to know very little beyond the script they are given.

Actually the Church never hid anything, anti Mormons claimed the Church hid them but the anti's got the information from the same place any one could have found it if they wanted to see it. The Church did make everything more accessible when they did the Joseph Smith Papers, but that didn't mean it was hidden before the Joseph Smith Papers Project began. It made the anti's very upset because now it is too easy for any and everyone to find things that the antis claim the church was hiding. Pictures of the seer stones that Joseph used was in the Ensign many years ago but then recently someone said that, the Church had been hiding the that Joseph used seer stones to translate the Book of Mormon. What was really sad is that so many idiots out there actually believed the antis rather than look at the back issues of the Ensign.

@@VaLynne1 What truly is sad is you calling people idiots, let alone your gross lack of understanding of the issue at hand. Who needs an organized group of antis with members calling people idiots, right?

I agree she is good. I did get a kick out of how fast she can talk, but if she talked at normal rate of speed it would have been 30 minutes instead of 15 :)

Yes. Especially as it’s not even the original building. It’s only 44 years old.

When they announced the acquisition they also announced it would be open to all, free of charge as a historic site, like all Church historical sites. It is closed now but will reopen this month on March 25th,

The audio can be slowed down….

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Ummm. Incorrect.

@@l7846 Most verses in which only a few words were adjusted follow Adam Clarke's commentary, whether you like it or not.

@@l7846 a study at BYU of all places came to this conclusion... the most telling quote from the authors of the study... "Direct borrowing from this source has not previously been connected to Smith’s translation efforts, and the fundamental question of what Smith meant by the term “translation” with respect to his efforts to rework the biblical text can now be reconsidered in light of this new evidence." In classic apologetic fashion, redefining words to make things "work".

And in other news, water is wet.

How so? its just a property transaction.

Younger? We split at the same time.

I’d suggest reading the Book of Mormon with an honest heart, & seeking to see the Lord unfold His truths about His Beloved Son, and their Plan for their children. And watch for their goodness and mercy towards their children here on earth. God is pouring down His Light and truth like never before in the history of the world, preparing for His Son’s Second Coming! It’s so exciting and glorious! This Light is more amazing, fulfilling, satisfying and joy-filled than ANYTHING the world has to offer! There is nothing we could buy, no entertainment, recreation, or activity that can compare to feeling, seeing and knowing God is at mighty work getting ready to return!!! You will feel it as you humbly start reading the Book of Mormon with an honest and humble heart! Hoorah for Israel! Best of blessings! ☀️❤️

Oh, and as you read, if you spend a little time on your knees talking to your Creator and sharing your life with Him, He will reveal Himself to you in wonderful, powerful ways. He loves you! He created you and YOU are EVERYTHING to Him! You are more important than the stars, oceans and universe that He created… and you can know this fact for yourself! 😄❤️

You could, it's a choice.

You mean scams that haters made up?

One has to consider the Book of Mormon. Historically there has to be an explanation, and all of the criticisms of it thus far have failed to explain how it could exist. The best explanation is the simplest: that ot is inspired of God.

Yes

at one time those building were "only" 150 years old. You have to start somewhere.

Agreed. I thought that odd and a dis-service to the whole presentation.

There are probably a number of reasons for the After Joseph Smith died the church divided between those who wanted to stay in Nauvoo and those who wanted to leave. Many disagreed with Brigham Young’s decision to leave and so formed their own church. James Jesse Strang began what would become the Reorganised Church, claiming that he’d received instruction from Joseph Smith that he was to be the next president of the church. Brigham Young, as you’d expect, did not agree. That was the first big disagreement. The second disagreement was over Strang’s claim that at some point, when old enough, the church should be led by a descendant of Joseph Smith and would then continue to be so. Brigham Young, however, had received revelation that in the absence of a prophet the president of the Quorum Of The Twelve would lead the church (which is what Young was at the time) and he later set the precedent that the President of the Quorum Of The 12 would succeed the presidency of the church o. The death of the previous church president. The LDS still practice this today. Likewise, after Joseph Smith III became the president of the Reirganised Church, every president was a direct descendent of Joseph Smith until 1996. There were also a number of disagreements over doctrine. Many members of the reorganised church opposed some of the changes that Brigham Young was introducing to the temple ordinances (including a lot of the symbolism that the LDS church uses today) and favoured the much simpler ordinances and practices that Joseph Smith first instituted. Many of the Saints who remained in Nauvoo were also anti-polygamy, at a time when the LDS church still practiced it. Indeed both Emma Smith and Joseph Smith III remained anti-polygamy until their dying day and denied that Joseph Smith ever committed it (something you’ll never here in the LDS church is the fact that Emma Smith was unaware of most of Joseph’s other marriages and was adamant that the details were all made up by Brigham Young after Joseph’s death). Interestingly, Strang started practicing polygamy which drove many of his followers towards Joseph Smith III who condemned the practice. As the Reorganised Church continued it also became more Protestant in its leanings. By 1984 they even opened up the Priesthood to women. Interestingly, Joseph Smith III always claimed that the Reorganised Church followed the pattern set by Joseph Smith closely whilst Brigham Young and the Latter Day Saints were distorting, changing and adding to what Joseph Smith had established. One thing that is sure, the church and the way it was organised was never the same after Brigham Young assumed leadership. So, to summarise, the disagreement was a combination of a power play following a leadership vacuum, a rejection of Brigham Young and many of his ideas, a desire to stay in Nauvoo and fundamental doctrinal differences. But the two churches have long been united at least by a shared love of Joseph Smith and the Book Of Mormon, even if nothing else.