Everything wrong with male CAS in The Sims 4 

For everyone who misinterpreted what I said... I DO believe The Sims SHOULD have gender neutral clothing. But I DON'T think it should come at the expense of traditionally masculine CAS. Inclusivity means everyone is included, including those who appreciate traditional masculine styles. Neglecting one for the sake of the other isn't equality it's favouritism. Inclusivity (in this context) means everyone is able to style sims that represent them including those who appreciate traditionally masculine styles :)

The person who suggested having feminine, gender neutral and masculine as separate categories, I'm hoping they do something like that for sims 5... Theres definitely a place for gender neutral clothing, but that place shouldn't be INSTEAD of masculine clothing

I think the Sims team just needs to go into a H&M or any shop. A lot of CAS doesn't look like clothes, it looks like costume

“You wouldn’t see me dead in something like that.” This pretty much summarises Sims 4 CAS.

I never had an issue before because I always stuck to 2 outfits and focused on female sims. But I decided to do an 8 sim household and 6 of them are men. How exactly am I supposed to make them look different?! They all look like they are wearing uniforms because the CAS items are all the same!

This is the complain I never knew I needed! I was trying to recreate a character from a Korean show. You know how simple Korean working males dress? Yet I struggled to find CAS for my character!!! You are spot on about how male CAS is bad because it has nothing normal.

There’s so much they could do for men but they continue ignore us. Starting to think it’s deliberate at this point. Every pair of jeans is either high waters or cuffed super high at the leg. The swatches are even worse. Nothing matches. Even black clothing are usually different shades of black. Men CAS needs a full revamp.

I would love if they, for both men and women, made a basic normal clothes update. But yeah the men are def a problem I almost always end up picking the same 3 pants for my dudes or like 5 same shirts, cause all of it is so weird. Most dudes don't dress like an instagram catalogue.

I think its most noticeable for masculine cas, but I think in general that the Sims team dont pull inspiration from real life people. Everything feels like they went as far as pinterest or instagram and not just the folks at the park or the grocery store. (Even in build mode I saw someone joke that the only reason you are forced to make that "trendy" 🤢 thriftshop and boba shop combo in HSY is cause there was one of those by their HQ and thought it was universal.) Not everyone is following aesthetics and trends. It sucks trying to make sims, especially masculine, that dont look like they hopped out of tiktok. To me it kinda shows that as much as they cheer about simmers writing their own story they seem to expect the masculine sims story to eternally go: trendy teen, fruity young adult, and then the dadliest dad you've ever seen.

I think that's what annoyed me the most about the men's fashion kit. We could really use some good basics for male sims, but instead of giving us that, they gave us even more new hyper specific styles. If the base game was already full of generally useful stuff it would have been good to add some variety like that for people who want more unique styles, but as it is it just felt like more of the stuff that the vast majority people won't use except in a few specific cases.

I think the biggest issue is the clothes for males doesn't seem to fit them properly, most clothes are too big or too tight, or have a weird clunky look to it like the suit at 2:28 which is a nice historical suit, but the fit is made to look wonky on most of the male bodies, making it hard to appreciate. The hair suffers from the same issue too, they suffer from bad meshes like the original afro did. To see what I mean look up "Base-game hair redux by miiko," she only shows females, but the before and afters I think highlight the real issue with most of the male CAS, the meshes are not made in a way to flatter men at all.

It's so nice to hear someone saying it! Just because I want more traditionally masculine options for my Sims, that doesn't mean I want to get rid of the gender-neutral or soft boy or flamboyant options too. We can (and should) have both and it's really frustrating when someone forgets and makes a really unpleasant assumption about me

I feel like The Sims 4 CAS is missing some really basic items. There aren't enough simple clothes and hair not only for guys, but for all of the categories. I'd be much happier if there were some plain t-shirts, regular pants, and simpler hairstyles instead of all these crazy flashy outfits. When I compare it to older versions like The Sims 2 or 3, they had a lot of fun themed stuff, but they also had plenty of regular clothes. I believe that it's just a cash-grab from EA because they'll add one basic swatch in a pack just so you'll buy it to have some basic choice.

The Sims team can't make male clothing without making it some hipster nightmare. Not that there's anything wrong with hipster Sims, but that's basically the Sims 4's whole aesthetic at this point

They need to look outside America? More like they need to look outside of CALIFORNIA. Because that's what most of their style choices stem from. In Alabama it's extremely rare to see a guy walking down the street in a crop top and skinny jeans.

They’re definitely doing more gender neutral clothes/hairs now. I’ve noticed a decile in quality with women’s hairs recently too. LOTS of short hairs that are specifically made for both sexes. I wish they would go back to making masculine hairs for men and feminine long hairs for women. If we want our women to have short masculine hair, it’s very easy to just add the masculine tag filter and pick one. I don’t see why we have to start adding them as actual feminine hairs when they aren’t.

I always love playing with and creating male sims even though I’m a female and it has ALWAYS bothered me how poor the choices are for male sims unless you want to make them like hipster or edgy etc. it’s really hard to make lots of unique male sims that just have a generic dress sense it is PAINFUL

That red/grey tracksuit has some heavy "How do you do fellow kids?" vibes!

They have always avoided simplicity across the board. We want mix and match basics in every aspect of the game. Seems like that would be the easiest to create yet they never do! If they’re needing inspiration, they can literally walk out the door and look at everyday working class people or even google it. 😂

a lot of male cas really looks good on women--in theory, because they still didn't care enough to fit the meshes onto opposite gender frames. i look at my old tomboy sims and they're so goofy 😭😭

We need a minimalist/capsule wardrobe inspired thing. Basic styles with basic swatches than can all be mixed and matched together to create endless possibilities. Clean, well fitted, everyday kind of pieces.

As a gay guy, I don't play female Sims. The lack of CAS for male Sims is frustrating and I'm not just talking about missing a leather bulldog harness.

The worst part is a lot of these tops I want to wear on my feminine built sim, but it's unwearable because it doesn't fall naturally, boobs get pointy, and it's unnaturally stuck inbetween the boobs

Yeah, that's the thing. People say like "Oh, EvErYoNe CaN wEaR wHaTeVeR tHeY wAnT", but forget there literally is an option called "preferred clothing" (or something like that, I play in Swedish) that lets you choose if your Sim prefers female clothing or male clothing. By taking female clothing and putting it in the male clothing section, not only is EA defeating the purpose of a "preferred clothing" option but they're also basically saying they're too lazy to make actual male clothing

Why aren't ties accessories that we can add separately?

the worse part is that you can't even get much male cc either, because most cc creators either only do female cc, or they do male and female, but it's predominantly female with maybe a couple male items

I just wanna make a hot biker guy yet all I get is soft boy or cool dad 😔

Take a shot every time Satch says, "Masculine" 😂😂

"You're either a fun dad or you're a twink and there's absolutely no in-between" hahahah

One of my complain on male cas is there's no dyed ombre hair style for males, most of the dyed hair style are styled for women. The only short dyed hair is both base game, one styled for women and the other one a mohawk. Oh just remember they added the DU dread that has a dyed variation more of those please! I don't own many pack so I may be wrong but we don't seem to have male jeans that gets tucked inside boots. I know it's not on trend anymore but I still want the option

I dress like a Sim from Sims 2 - a shirt, long jeans and shoes and THAT'S the look we need. A simple one.

I'm nonbinary myself and I must say that at the end of the day, masculine fashion ended up more gender-neutral. It's actually kind of a struggle because even though I dress as masculine as I can to not be perceived as a woman, I still am. I live in Poland and what I see on men, I see on women as well, but what I see on women, I don't see on men. The only things I can see as actually masculine rn are ties, various suits and short hair, the rest ended up being gender-neutral. I just think we need more t-shirts in general. And re-do of old CAS hair.

I do hope the ratio of male/female clothes in the Sims are 40/60 instead of 25/75. Yes this has been the complaint for years and very little has changed. In fact the later packs have uninspiring styles so here we are.

Totally agree, I love the diversity but literally all my males almost use the same outfits and hairs because 80% of them awful and also I can't have all my males be gays or else and its pretty overdid now to the normal males clothes.

Sims should do a "Basics" Cas pack. Regular hoodies, regular jeans, Grey sweats with no weird designs or cropped weird, regular shirts that aren't too tight or overly baggy, regular beanies (we have just one normal beanie hat for both women and men, all the other hats are silly looking). They did a male feminine Cas pack that was very leaning towards one type of person. And that's fine. But I'd like to dress my male sims and son sims in something I see people wear everyday and not just very dramatic or odd prints on basic clothes

i make a lot of male sims and i never realized how much i tend to struggle, especially how you laid it out here. thank you for this video :)

I just want to make the Shelby family in the Sims 4! What is wrong with masculinity, isn't inclusivity about indcluding everyone?

Thank you for being so honest and down to earth and realistic. Everything you said was right on. I and a few other simmers have made such comments and got raked over the coals, ganged up on, and accused of all sorts of ridiculous things. I really don't care what they think of me, I just want what you pointed out, that it is supposed to be about inclusivity but really isn't. Majority of men don't dress like this, they don't walk around looking like Harry Styles. Harry Styles probably wouldn't dress like that, either, if he wasn't a pop star and wanted the attention and to be "edgy". Also, need to point out that Styles is, ummm, British. Trust me, American men don't dress like this either. Appreciate you for being someone with a platform and and not jumping on the bandwagon, just saying out loud what most people are really thinking. Wishing you the best.

what i hate most about sims 4 cas is 1: the shape of male sims, like the actual body shape. It's awful and unrealistic. The muscles are painted on and unless your sim has a perfectly normal slim body, he'll look awful with clothes on...ESPECIALLY SUITS. Both Sims 2 and 3 nailed the body shape and even in 4, the female body model is great, it's just the male sims 4 model that looks absolutely ridiculous. 2: Female clothes on Male sims look absolutely awful. They didn't bother to remodel the fem clothes for male bodies so now most female outfit choices have weird bumps or have clear boobs painted on or deform the sim's body shape. 3: basically your point about having fem hairstyles simply plopped onto the men's category to pad out the numbers. 4: just in general having too few actually masculine options. And how the meshes fit weirdly on the models doesn't help.

1:09 this one is actually pretty real lol the boys my school get their hair up like this

I agree. Making a simple male sim outfit is hard.

I completely agree with you, male sims got a slap in the face when it comes to cas

I agree!! I been saying this for years and everytime the male clothes get more feminine and terrible looking. Its time for some more masculine male clothes for male sims. This is why I use cc on my males, damn shame I shouldn't have too though.

This is the biggest reason I use so many men's clothing mods.

“It’s very twinky” 😭🤣🤣

i’m glad someone feels my pain😭 i always end up spending more time on my male sims because almost EVERYTHING in the catalog is fruity (i hv all the packs too). i’m bi myself and love all the fun fashion options and inclusivity but there are like two things in the whole fckn game that a straight man would actually wear!

What's really missing in men's cas is 50 swatches of male pattern baldness because let's be honest, this is realistic.

I appreciate the effort that EA makes to create more gender non-conforming clothing, but sometimes I just want to create a masculine male sim. I'm queer and I still prefer creating masculine male sims, and right now male CAS is lacking variety and just basic clothing that looks good.

oh yeah I was making a male sim yesterday, I wanted to make him look like a typical metalhead so I decided to give him long hair but I actually had to go to the women's hairstyles to find some nice long hair

Might be because EA _only_ has that kind of man around them and don't know what the usual, general masculinity is like.

I agree so much with you about the inclusivity ! And it's not fair, we have a lot of hyperfeminine clothing, why not some hypermasculine too ? It's ok, we can be woke and like men who dress conventionnaly manly, that's not even an excuse. And there isn't even a lot of cc to repair this... A lot of the best cc I've found for male sims is alpha looking and it's ... well... alpha. It clashes too much with the rest of my maxis match, it's awful. of course the classic cc creators have a lot of nice things, but still a lot of them are gender neutral ): I second you Satch on the polo and the fact that they should look elsewhere than the US for fashion !

I adore your roast of the design. It’s as if they have created the illusion of bountiful choice, but those choices are garish primary colours/patterns. I really think the kind of choice we actually want is, like, different shades of white. CAS is like a jumble sale where you have to look past mountains of worthless garbage to find a handful appropriate items, and then only ever seek out those items when playing, automatically tuning out the garbage.

You know the choices in create a sim are off when you can only find decent choices by taking off all filters and sifting through it all like kitty litter on trash day.

As a trans male, I absolutely agree with you. I need gender affirming clothing as much as anyone else does, and there just isn't a big variety. I always end up choosing the same sweaters, suits, and jeans for my sims because they're the few ones that work well and look masculine. This isn't just for cis men, it's for all masculine-presenting people, and the fact the Sims hasn't realized that does make it very gender exclusive.

I think making male sims would be easier if we had more traditionally masculine clothes, hair, etc. Just trying to make a dad sim is difficult with the current selection. They need to walk into an H&Mm maybe a freaking Walmart or Men's warehouse. More facial hair would be nice.

Being a man isn't toxic masculity, as you said. And I agree with what you say; having both gender netural clothing is great, but we do need more masculine cas stuff, so that people can make sims that are based on themselevs, cause the maxis stuff is just horrible, imo. This is why I download cc masculine stuff from the internet.

Stacy, I love you for this take!! So desperately in need of properly masculine CAS, you’ve nailed every single thing in this video!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I don't know if i am only bad at cas especially for men, but besides clothing and hair i really have struggles to create "manly" faces. There is nothing wrong with softer face- features in a man, but i wanted a face a little bit more prominent/striking. I can totally relate to this Video, haha😂

There's a huge problem with female hair, too. There's not a lot female hair that looks good on white sims.

On the bright side, you can dress a full household of 8 pimps and make them all look unique and authentic.

This is why I download a lot of male CC

I remember being traumatized when I bought the Male kit. At first, I was so happy that I was going to get a man’s kit with man clothes, and then I saw, and I almost died😂 Please, for the love of Jesus! Get us some normal man clothes

i thought i was the only one who hated male cas! i barely make male sims anymore or just randomize their outfits

Making sims teen and up in TS4 has always been a choice between fashion magazine and cartoon character. Common, ordinary styles on ordinary people are hard. Even Mortimer Goth would take off the suit to dress down, frequently. Never mind that when if you try to make five true everyday outfits for a full household, you have family members wearing the same things in a plain, no frills kind of family. I think Uni and HSY helped a lot, but I agree with all the gaps you named.

I would like to play with more male sims in my game, but every time I try to create a man I end up losing my mind trying to create even the most basic outfits. Then I get tired and I create a female sim.

I need more male CAS items that looked like they were from Walmart/target/whatever other big box equivalent

this is why im never gonna stop using cc

Everything is way too feminine in this game and it's so annoying.Not all men are feminine! I also noticed that he hair they add to the game almost always seems to be black hair And that's true about the US fashion thing, it's so annoying. Only in the US is masculinity seen as "bad" smh. they act like they'd be called misogynists if they add manly stuff into the game or something. I'd love to see more European based things especially for men, there's way too many female clothes in comparison. It would be great. I live in Scotland and not every 2 men I see are flamboyant or feminine or people who identify as stereotypical they/thems. it's just so annoying that the sims team do this. they're more focused on woke shit than anything else. which is fine to be inclusive but they only ever add minority stuff into the game and this is coming from a trans man who dresses a MASCULINE as I can

The fact that the binder doesn’t flatten chests 💀

People want to be so inclusive they are forgetting that most people won't put their male sim in a dress or a skirt.

I'm all for inclusivity really... But... The Sims 4 men, and every other Sims game men Cas looks similar... I want manly men but I only end up having similar looking men Sims. I don't want that much gender neutral stuff. I want fricking manly men men Sims 🤣 no gang member, no rich dude, no gender neutral hipster man. It's so fricking difficult.

Let’s be honest, it would be easier to say what’s right with it. Which isn’t much.

I never seen these styles in America…but it would be nice to have more masculine clothes

Thank God someone finally said all this! I totally agree with you. 👍

I predominantly play with male sims and I also find it difficult to create some basic fits for my sims due to the lack of more plain, simple and basic clothing. If they did go back to basics in men's clothing, my guess is that it'll be unsurprisingly locked behind a kit paywall

I am wheezing with the short complaints 😆 The best. Thought I was the only one!!!!!!

I agree with you about there being more Masculine Men's clothing. I play male, female, and NB Sims equally and I always use the same clothing pieces and hairs for my male Sims. I also think they should create a Basics Clothing pack for all ages (but especially male sims, in RL all the male Identifying people I know wouldn't wear most of the stuff they have in male CAS), also sometimes I just want something simple rather than flamboyant.

i hate making male sims cause i just never know what to dres them in so i always make females cause its so much easier, i agree with you so much on the hair styles for men they need some better fading and some more added in

We need so much for this game, it's insane.

I’m always slightly scared to use male CAS because I feel like I’m always one click away from accidentally making them look ugly lol

I thank the lord every single damn day for custom content bcoz I legit wouldn't be able to play without it.

You are completely right, but just how you comment on it is so hilarious for me! You made me spit my coffee multiple times 😂😂

I agree with points raised but I just never had an issue with it cause when I do make guys in cas they're never straight 😂😂

I agree with 95% of what you said. The kit for masculine clothing was just atrocious. I live in F%$#ing Miami Beach, where you can basically see all kind of weird attire and never have seen someone wearing the clothing of that masculine clothing set, so atrocious I cannot remember the name. Just throw in a few levi's inspired jeans, some gap attire, H&M clothes, but no. lets throw some gay as hell nonsense. Before everyone eats me alive, I am gayer than the word gay, but not everyone in my game is gay. We need a couple expansions and kits that forgets about women clothing and focus on masculine clothing to balance the game. Sorry for the rant, but I couldn't hold it!

Yes I have all of the same issues with the men's clothes in the game 😅 hard to make all the people I want when nobody looks like my options

It feels like no one on the male CAS team has ever seen a man before

i almost exclusively make female/feminine sims and this is why. the masculine create-a-sim is just so poorly done 😕

I'm fine with different variants of the same hairstyles but there needs to be more variety. For example I honestly feel like they shouldn't have retextured the old afro hairstyles. They should have added the retextures as new styles to add more variety.

Also I feel like male sims come off as very goofy in the sims. When I'm trying to make a laid back guy with a dark aura or something in the sims the moodlets and the voices make him super goofy idk if you know what I mean lol

your transformation is insane

Is the polo you spoke the most highly about from my first pet stuff..? I just want to make sure you're feeling ok?

in the sims defense a lot of traditionally men's clothes are just shirt, jeans, and maybe a jacket for spice and the sims team wanna be unique

yall saying ts4 is bad for masc men but it is also bad for fem men because any time you put one in a dress or womens top it gives them phantom boobs. why is no one talking about the phantom boobs i thought it would be mentioned more. they added the option for any gender to wear any clothes but it looks terrible.

We need a basic minimal capsule wardrobe kit or something

Most American men don't wear those clothes I have no idea where they got the inspiration for those outfits

I have never seen bow ties on anyone who is not 85, 8, or wearing something super fashiony on the red carpet. I don’t know where those bow ties look normal, definitely not in Northern California. I think they make them to be silly on purpose.

“Got some leather daddy none sense going on here”

Sir, I applaud you for saying what needs to be said.

1000% agree. I will often make gender-neutral or masc lesbian sims with the "male" CAS and it's like walking through Candyland...but when I make male sims it's very limited. I get pigeon-holed into very specific and repetitive aesthetics :/ They do go to a lot of effort to make the male CAS items fit the female sim but not the other way around. It doesn't feel inclusive. It just seems like they don't want to make the budget to have 2 versions of each item so it fits properly, and are more focused on "trendy" CAS items than versatile ones. CC creators are much better at making niche CC (and we can delete items we don't like when the trend passes). I think TS4 team should focus on quality basics and timeless styles. With build mode that's what people gravitate towards and the same is true for CAS IMO. (also, WHY are all the sims so tall and have weird boobs???....like???)

Anybody else have this huge problem where you have a nice female sim and then you make the male to see their male version and their face looks completely different and the worst problem is the nose because all of the men's noses are super sharp and the rest of their face is also completely different and very boney. Edit: We also need more medium length or long length men hair as well as faded because those are very big now and I even have a very unique hairstyle that is impossible to find in the sims. If you're wondering it's like Edna for the Incredibles but the bangs are the same length as the rest of the hair and aren't over my face.