Evil Supermen 

Considering that for the whole hour+ duration of this video I was entertained the whole time, it goes to show just how good you did. The fact that you’re still in high school makes this even better, keep it up man!

honestly one of ur best videos

On gosh

It's a pretty good video, man. But your opinions about Amber are wrong

I wish I had half the drive and passion it must’ve taken to make this video when I was in high school. Keep up the phenomenal work!

@@kingzkb2195 I still to this day consider the Tick to be one of the best Superhero parodies ever made, whether it be the original comic series, the Animated series, the extremely short-lived show starring Patrick Warburton, and the Amazon show.

Never saw the original 3 Superman movies did ya

@rollerskdude of course I did, though I'm pretty sure that he only doesn't take a life in the first one. He kills the 3 kryptonians in 2 (with the exception of an obscure TV edit from the mid 80s where we see them arrested) and the cybernetic lady in 3

@@rollerskdude it's also up for debate, but he technically did kill some goons in Superman Returns by crushing them with giant crystals and throwing their corpses into space

Superman already is a subversion of the Nazi ubermensch

I found it without watching the full video

Hes better

That’s cause he’s the best version of the trope

3 seasons worth of lore

@@V1Down homelander just has that many issues to unpack as well

he had so much potential as a good guy

Yeah he's literally bland he has little to no character he's just like a little girl

fr didnf she die if her heart stopping as opposed to her body being destroyed?

Injustice is... not the best DC has to offer writing wise.

I remember him taking her up into space, not "not holding back".

@@trillionbones89 before he went into space he punched what he thought was doomsday and crashed through several walls/buildings.

She already took the super dick so she probably has some resistance above normal humans

Omni-man. Hell yeah

Omni-Man also beat his son and called his wife a pet, but let's just-

@@agoblintrippingonhorrordus145 andrew tate told me that is the alpha grindset, yes i am under the age of 7 whyd o you ask

@@poorlydrawnlordsinister1849 oh my Gods 😆

​@@agoblintrippingonhorrordus145this doesn't conflict with him being a warrior. Warriors tend to be bad fathers anyway.

would also explain why they don't have much of a hard time with the next one with Frozone by their side

And this is later shown again during the “Terminated” scene where Bob is on Syndrome’s computer, Syndrome knows that Lucius is Frozone

the amount of lore and details the first incredibles movie had is fucking insane honestly

Holy shit

@@Josuh seriously, its more well thought out and inteicate than 95% of super hero movies out there

hey i like your picture bro

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yeah but that was unrealistic. Yeah some might cheer but MOST people would be horrified

​@@helloneighbour2408this Is a world where super heros are an everyday thing,and they believe Homelander is the best at protecting them so it's realistic

@@helloneighbour2408Wouldn’t say it’s unrealistic. Look at history(and even present day unfortunately) where public executions and killings were celebrated by crowds of people. Even more so if the one doing the killing is someone people idolized.

Where is that clip I wanna see

Lies

clown@@Thegamingdino133

@@Thegamingdino133 It is actually true! While mark, as Cecil's team try's to save him, is blinking there is a second where omni man appears in the sky

@@largeshark9021 Link

i agree! i think it comes down to the fact that the boys comic was so mean spirited to the genre. it was written by someone who hates superheroes. all the protagonists a)shoot up compound v in the beginning for shigs and b) kts in the end. the show is written by people who actually Like superheroes and writing nuance with the gross/gritty stuff 😂

​@@QuaePanemEtCircenses superman, EATS BABIES😲🤯🤯😲

Everyone’s seen PointlessHub’s RU-vid video about how the comics are bad and stuff and I agree the show was superior to the comics, but the comics definitely deserve more credit than to be brushed off as edgy garbage. It’s a genuinely good story and most of the show is still rooted in a lot of the plot-lines from the comics. I’m really happy I decided to give the comic a chance, if I’d have listened to that video I would’ve missed out on a fun time. It deserves criticism for how needlessly excessive it can be at times, but it’s a good Fuckin read and I feel like anyone who says it lacks depth hasn’t read it and or is just easily offended.

@@legostuds680 should prolly read fully before coming to a conclusion that thorough no?

@@phoenx8435 no, because I’ve read it and they’re 100% right

the real lesson from the boys is thatyou should purchase the LGBLT, as seen in voughtland during the Boys Season 3 episode 3

@@threemooseqateers9689 At what store can I buy one?

@@danielhuelsman76 only at vaughtland

@@danielhuelsman76 only at Vought+

@@threemooseqateers9689 I should call and make an order for a bi girlfriend.

wait wasn't that cheer out of fear?

@@13physc Nope. Homelander was shocked when people started cheering him out of honest hatred towards the Left.

@@HolyknightVader999 ah alright

No Capes!

Even Omniman had his cape used against him, nobody is safe.

Homelands literally got dragged by his cape by soldier boy💀

@@the-plug2164 soulja boy goes KABOO-

2:11 9/11 reference?

"I WOULD ALWAYS BE BETTER"

"He's bigger, faster, and stronger, too!"

He's... bigger?

He's also faster 🤨

Better some would say

Bro became Superman at the end...Literally.

So many people have probably said this but I love all the little details about that through the show. He is constantly trying to convince himself and those around him. You can see how much he cared for his friends right after he killed them. You feel his rage when Debbie confronts him, and so much more - watching it a second time recontextualizes it, almost making Omniman the main character since so much of our focus is on him and his actions.

Heard a recent theory that makes sense. Nolan was happy on Earth with his family, and was almost glad that Mark didn't have powers. So, the theory is that Nolan was going to wait til his family had aged and died off then would've taken over the Earth since Viltrumites live for so long, but because Mark got his powers, he could no longer wait for them to age and die.

I think the comics might confirm that theory later on? I don’t remember exactly. We’ll have to see if the show does that.

​@@Scorpionspear77they do confirm that when mark goes meets a space worm

@@Exzimius idk how were you watching it, but Omniman literally tells it in one episode. He never wanted Mark to have powers and wanted to continue living life with his family.

You also have to take into consideration that Injustice Superman is not the main Superman. He's more flawed. For example, Injustice Superman selfishly low key used his powers to get a football scholarship. The original Superman was honest enough to give up on football when his powers appeared.

@@newguy90 oh shit, that reminds me of the S4 episode of Smallville "Recruit" where the freak of the week, who can induce paralysis via touch, is a walking warning on what Clark would need to do if he used his powers for that football scholarship

@@newguy90 In further fairness (Haven't seen KC< to be fair) Injustice Superman killed Lois and (Indirectly) set the nuke off. That cannot be good for a man's mental state,

@@kazekamiha The fact that he killed Lois and blew up Metropolis by mistake and decided he needed to be MORE involved in people's lives instead of LESS for fear he could cause another disaster is probably the biggest reason to not view Injustice Superman as a normal Superman...or even a rational Superman, for that matter.

Injustice was basically written by someone who doesn't know Superman. Superman is a man with the power of a god, who has, over his long life, resisted every temptation to use that power for his own benefit at the expense of others. His moral code is as inflexible as Batman's. He is a good man. That said, killing the Joker is something that any good man would have done years ago. The blood of every person killed by the Joker is on Batman's hands because he refuses to do the right thing.

I thought the guy meant more "evil super man" not "evil superman" but just spelled it that way in the title. Cuz since Superman is a proper noun, if you were talking about multiple of them it would actually be "supermans" not "supermen". It would only be supermen if you are talking about men who are super.

I agree, he should've talked about Brightburn instead of Syndrome, he's s much more evil superman

It's really a clairvoyant writing decision lol. When the US military wa testing AI drones in simulations the drone decided to kill the radio tower controlling it because the human operator was stopping it from optimally achieving its mission. When they disincentivized killing the tower, it killed the operator. Only a simulation but still concerning lol

To be fair the US military has made the exact same mistake with AI in a drone simulation

Or Demolition Man. The who who revived (villain) Simon Phoenix in the future made it impossible to turn by programming in that he is unable to kill his beneficiary. But he forgot to do the same with the minions. So all Phoenix does is give his gun to one of his henchmen "kill him"

​@@DogWalterThat means it's not unrealistic, yet still idiotic.

The Sentinels are the same way in X-Men and the Spider Slayer from Spider-Man let's not forget the Androids from Dragon Ball Z and Metallo from Superman Metallo is the one with the Kryptonite battery all those things were literally created to kill their respective Heroes in each of those series

Ya know, that comic has some serious plot hole and logic issues, even for a comic book about a man that flyies and all that.

​@@Whiteythereaper Ed Boon even said they didn't have any control over what happened in the comics. So he found out later especially during Injustice 2 development who died.

The movie and comics were dog water games better

well, her baby is the son of superman

@@badabingbing474 nrs and DC comics in general are stupid. They only care about their god batman for the most part so they were more focused on how their god could look good whilst shitting on superman like usual

what about an anti-hero Superman?

man of steel still one of my fav movies :)

Honestly I agree i think evil superman was done way better with jason todd a.k.a red hood. Evil but still trying to do good in his own way.

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An evil Superman can work really well for building tension. Homelander is so good in the show because every scene he’s in inherently has a boatload of tension because you know he could just kill anyone he’s talking to at a moment’s notice without a second thought. But in general what makes a good Superman so interesting is that the same is ultimately true. But instead they actively are choosing not to take the easy way out and to try and do things the right way.

Did you get an A?

@@seva7500 I believe I did lol

@@Billonator117 nice

​@@Billonator117if so it's probably well deserved in all honesty

Bro better drop a link to the essay. You can't just talk about that and then leave

Yeah that intro was so inconsistent, constantly changing it's theme to finally start the main subject of the video. (but still, it was pretty cool)

@@Kyumifun I think a lot of this video could have been trimmed down to a more watchable 45 minutes personally

@@BlueAmpharos just watch it while doing any other thing, i think that's what these videos are mostly made in mind

Supervillains*

@@alexandre007opa i didnt wanna say from villians and then say supervillians that wouldnt really sound right

watch florida men this was a mid first attempt

@@T3rr0r626🚽👱🏻‍♂️

@@seva7500terror is skibidy toilet confirmed???

@@greatesttudorholy shit?!

Nah sonic.exe is worser than homelander and would annihilate him with no issue

@@theend-nz6vs Hey Pal, Did you just blow in from 2011?

@@madmannn9576 what do you mean by that

It's almost the same as "what if media for all ages was EDGY" or like, "guys what if the mushrooms in mario were drugs and mario said 'FUCK!!!11!!'"

​@@theend-nz6vs Did you just fucking say this with genuine intent or are you completely oblivious to the true power of the characters displayed here?

Invincible makes good use of narrative tension by following Hitchcock’s teachings. The classic example is this. What is creates more tension. People string at a table eating dinner and then exploding or people eating dinner at a table but a bomb is hidden under the table? The logic being that the mix of information we do and don’t have is what gives a story tension. If the Guardians were just killed, all we would ask ourself would be “who and why did it?” Not a bad way to write a thriller but by staring the show by telling us Omiman killed them, the questions change to “why? and when will everyone find out and how will he react?” Which is much more engaging. Made even better by making it clear just how great of a dad and mentor he is. Because of those good personality traits we like him and as such secretly hope that he didn’t kill then maliciously. Maybe he was mind controlled or someone threatened Mark or anything but the one thing we all knew and just didn’t want. Great show

What hidden conflict are you referring to?

​@@edwardliu111Omniman being the one behind the Guardians's murders

​@@frankwest5388One of my favorite quotes from Hitchcock. He knew exactly how surprise and suspense should be done.

​@@frankwest5388that's what made season 1 of invincible so compelling, I dont know if that kind of tension will be reached again in the later seasons but I can sure hope

Other similar and well played roles by Giancarlo Esposito are Antón Castillo from FarCry 6 and The Dentist from PayDay 2, while they're both videogames he still delivers as always

@@nepi7847 the only good character in Farcry 6 lol

@@ZeroDim do t you dare diss my boy chorizo like that

@DeadManWalking Well. He did Gus like that on purpose of getting more than 1 episode. Normally he was supposed to be just a normal salesman or something. Not menacing and with ton of secrets.

If I had a nickel for every time the actor played a characters who’s business was taken over by a very poor managing antagonist, I’d have two, which isn’t a lot but weird it happened twice

No way 😭

Metroman is definitely not an evil Superman, but it’s definitely important to bring him up since his “death” is what brings us titan.

you mean musicman?

Metroman is basically what if Superman is an extrovert.

That's because evil superman is just a shallow term people use to lump in any superman-like character they don't like

@@friedfrog5447 no? I generally don't like evil supermen, admittedly, but the term means something. An evil superman is a superman analogue who's, get this, evil. Metroman isn't an evil superman because he's not evil, not because the term is shallow

Same

Same honestly. Fucking love Clark Kent, _The_ Superman.

Homelander's existence just makes me grateful that Clark landed on a farm with loving folks instead of some government lab or a big corporation.

@@psmgames5861 Flashpoint has a version of Clark who grew up in a government facility.

Yep. Almost like putting 100% of your faith in a human, a flawed being, never works out all the time.

People think, or at least the people coming up with these ideas, that it is more mature to be nihilistic. It is wise, yes, to understand the negatives, but allowing them to undermine is weak in every possible way. Hope, determination, grit, and idealism (with proper judgement) are true marks of maturity. We fight so that we improve, we improve so that we survive, and we survive so that we may live (in nature, and random chance is what that is, which could apply to some challenges in normal life: "survive" and "improve" are switched, but that is what makes us special, we go out of our way to find problems). But nihilism stops you at step one because it believes there is no objective purpose to fighting, or no reason for being willing to do so, that we must stop.

People these days are taught from a very early age that kindness and resolve don't work. Look at corporations, look at politicians, look at social media. Superheroes are a reflection of our surroundings. And our surroundings are _broken._

Media still has good superman type characters. EVEN in evil superman stories (i.e. Invincible, The Incredibles, Metro Man, Starlight)

​@@rognogog5092 Mostly true. The characters you have just listed, with the exception of Invincible, all have a flaw within them that fits their story, but not the story of superman. Mr. Incredible is just a guy. He contemplates cheating, he hates his 9 to 5, has trouble parenting, and all around is just human. He is relatable. Which is a theme in the story of Incredibles. Then there is Metroman. He understandably, but selfishly chose a music career over the fate of a city. But he did enough for it some might say, I'll get to that in a few, but that is what Megamind is about. The weight expectations of people on others (Hal's expectations of Roxanne, everybody expecting Megamind to be a villain, everybody expecting the world from Metroman), and finding and choosing your place in the world. Finally, Starlight. I don't think I need to explain this, but I'll shorten this with a scenario. Here is the premise, and if you're not on board with it, that's okay, but the scenario should get you. Fence-sitting is just as bad as choosing (bad) sides: Lets say person A is watching another (person B) endure a painful situation, and as to not mess with the social hierarchy, status quo, or to even avoid confrontation, or the situation they allow person B to suffer. This is with the factor of Person A having the power to stop said event from happening. Could you ever really call Person A a perfect role model if this is a tendency of theirs? (Irony, I said I was going to shorten it, but instead I made a explanation for her as long or longer than the last two.) Anyways, on to Superman; he is an incorruptible force of good. And from his inception, based on the idea of the ubermench. The ubermench is the replacement for god, in that his limited being is still great enough to enforce the laws with his moral compass, and his will alone. You would think this man-god would be corrupt, after all we are taught "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" "all great men are bad men" "money is the root of all evil" "you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" and so on But yet we have Superman, and he stands strong. He is proof that good is not a contemporary thing, that evil does not always win, and that power does not make weaker men, it shows the weakness of those men. And he has none. Superman is mostly unrelatable. And that is good, we don't always need to see how things can go wrong, how to understand evil, sometimes what we need is inspiration, that is what he is inspiring. He is not supposed to fit or relate to our stories as humans, we are supposed to relate and live up to his

@@carmelorosario279 that is true I falsely assumed that they showing some qualities of Superman's morals or powers make them similar to Superman. Though i do believe that they, probably with exception to Metro-Man since he's more grey than the others. show examples of hope despite the presence of nihilism in media

Master class leads me to believe you don't really watch that many video essays. I like the video but master class takes it REALLY far.

Master class? That's meat riding my pal. The video is good. An insightful listen, but it's not masterful. However that doesn't mean I don't want to watch and support his climb towards masterful content.

@@bungiecrimes7247 Is internet historian masterful level?

Hubris at its finest

Yup! He’s the outlier in the group mentioned in the video. Dude is a straight up Alien who didn’t grasp what love was until Deb and Mark. At some point in the show, everyone will recognize Omni-man as just Nolan. Next season can’t come soon enough!!

He's a Vegeta clone. /s lmao

How is your comment 12 hours ago but the video is 11 hours ago? Did i take too much time watching video? I started in minute 40 or 50 because i watch the first 40 yesterday

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Nega Chin For The Win

that’s because injustice fundamentally does not understand superman

Time to read the comics

​@@VEGA_173Don't. Just don't.

@@sparrowanon Why? Invincile comics are awesome!

@@sparrowanon the Invincible comics are fantastic wym

People, just to be clear, Mark gets roiped in the comics, aswell as Eve having an abortion. I think Invincible is one of those cases of "alright comic series turned into banger TV show" just like The Boys and The Walking Dead.

That makes a fair amount of sense since according to another theory regarding Mr Incredible knowing Buddy’s parents. As it’s theorized that Buddy’s first super victims were his 2 parents. Super blood is in his veins.

uh

Ayyo

HUH

That scene fucks me up its so horrifying

did omni man never expect mark to have kids of his own? what was his plan then?

@@Benjamslikestrains He probably didn't think that far ahead, but Mark's death of old age (in an AU where he never got powers) probably would have been a catalyst to something. Either Nolan taking over or being so grief-stricken that he takes measures to protect Earth. For the record, Mark does have a child near the end of the comic.

to be fair. spoilery stuff ahead.. When given a little forewarning in a later time travel-esque plot, its implied the gaurdians were as powerful as their animated counterparts, able to defeat omniman with a little forewarning and help from mark, whose powers were still fairly weak at the time. I kind of wonder if the anticlimatic defeat they suffered the first time was a regret of the author.

@@TranshumanMarissa it also wasn't real. Eventually mark had to leave that alternate reality because he had a life in the original one.

@@BradenBest Oh yeah. I wasnt gonna say that since it isnt relevent to the power scaling part, though I suppose one could argue that the tactics they used there wouldnt have really worked or something like that.

Exactly! It really depends on which Superman blinks or doesn't

Young Superman, if Zod was his dad, and he still somehow was raised on earth

omni-man doesnt have all of supermans powers like heat vision or freeze breath but he does have supermans strength and flight and thats pretty much it.

@@totallynotmiless when I say superman powers I understand that Omni-man does have the other tools in his kit. It’s just that compared to Mark, Omni Man is near indestructible (at least in what’s animated so far)

@@totallynotmiless Yeah whatever nerd

@@jerrypie2792 you're literally called Jerry pie shut the fuck up :)

small correction coz idk if you knew this or just phrased it weirdly- Metroman nor Titan have the ability to stop time, the part where Metroman seems to have stopped time is just him using his super speed. But yeah if Titan actually sharpened his powers to that point he would've been undefeated, but he's an idiot so nah lol

@@jewelaloo7831 you're right But it is basically stopping time lol

@@pedroguilherme868 he slows down time in the background you can see some stuff slightly move like the explosion

​@@pedroguilherme868 titan only has like a very very tiny fraction of metromans powers. So he probably can't go nearly as fast

@@Walrus5 where do you take that information from?

DCAU Superman's "World of Cardboard" speech covers this pretty well.

Oh. I thought he didn’t kill because he knew he’d be just as bad as the Joker.

@@justsans. its shown in multiple elseworlds he goes on murderous rampages after crossing that line

@@piotyrholbion or retires

That's just hack writers who don't understand not being a self-righteous fuckhead. Superheroes who avoid killing do so because there's always a grounded element of criminality in their stories, therefore the law needs to be the same. And you have people who are specifically there to decide the punishment, up to and including the death penalty. The momemt the person stopping the criminal also becomes the one to enforce justice, you get shit like police brutality irl.

Every version is different, but at the heart, batman is trying to prove Joker wrong, and Joker is trying to prove batman wrong. To put it plain and simple, batman's childhood and life were taken from some guy with a gun. He simply does everything he can to prevent that from happening to anyone and redeem everyone.

You have one.

some parts are directly ripped from emp's "sympathy for the villain" such as the intro of syndrome and the first 5ish minutes, and the talk about joker, with the yin and yang. ik anybody could talk about it, but he basically paraphrases what emp says and is obv inspired. kind of lazy but good content ig

@@bootleg6595 I woudn't say its lazy. Its a 1 hour and a half video, you gotta have to paraphrase at least some of it.

I mean, there are several points in Emp’s video where he borrows some points from other sources as well, like the stuff about Syndrome, but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter because Emp’s video is about the dynamics in antagonists and my video is about different takes on evil versions of Superman. The intro’s writing style was inspired by Emp’s and the taijitu transition was based on his video but besides that the videos are nothing alike. And calling it “lazy” just because it’s vaguely similar in a few areas is simply inaccurate.

@@T3rr0r626 ​ I mean't the parts that seem directly ripped from emps video were lazy (its not vaguely similiar, its downright paraphrased). Emplemon's video is one of the most popular videos on the topic, and emps stuff is very well researched so hes obv gonna source it from somewhere. I agree the rest of the video is pretty original but the intro isn't vaguely similiar, its literally paraphrased lmao. Paraphrasing is a form of plagiarism when you don't source where you got it homie, and thats lazy, especially when its the entire intro of your video, which is the most important part. Your video doesn't really relate to the intro anyway so I don't know why you added it. the whole video is low key a homage to emp like the editing style and the intro of the segments, mentions of the downward spiral, etc. I still love your content but idk why you wanted to even make this video.

I rewatched Emp's villains video and I now understand your point even less. From what I can tell there are 3 things my video and his share: the Syndrome bit, the "dEVIL" clip, and the use of Darth Vader/Joker as an example, as well as me using his background music. While I tried to capture the same tone, both intros go in completely different directions. Emp discusses how children view heroes and adults view villains, while I discuss fiction and the creation of antagonists. At what point does inspiration become paraphrasing? I make some similar points but I don't ever even mention the taijitu, only showing it to visualize a different point. The section about Batman's villains reflecting himself is nowhere to be seen in Emp's video. I made this because I wanted to try by hand at making any sort of character "analysis" type thing, I gave emp credit for the music at the bottom of the pastebin link. Claiming the entire 7 minute intro is paraphrased/plagiarized from another individual's video is a gross oversimplification and flat out untrue.

Went from "I'm gonna off myself" to "I don't wanna die" real quick 🤣

yep, yotsuba proved to me that a story without conflict can still be engaging and its even one of my favorite manga i've ever read. And its a little weird with berserk being my favorite right above it.

True but there’s no way that would’ve worked, Clark was way too far gone and probably just saw good Clark as his naive younger self

I feel you my brother

It gives me "I'm addicted to anything that helps me forget that i'm actually alive" vibe Also Homelander is my fav modern villain

Please do a video on Dr Horrible

What franchise are they from.

@@BananaTrooper3650 Its a short flim the full name is "Dr Horrible's sing along blog". I thought I should mention that im talking about Captain Hammer. The first idea of Evil Superheros that's "Good"

Tastes like cumin