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Evolving Tanks Until I Reach The Biggest Missiles in War Thunder! 

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ATGMs and Rocket carriers in War Thunder get evolved until I reach the biggest land-based anti-tank missiles in the game! Also a history on the evolution of anti-tank missiles and rockets!
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@VIDireWolfIV
@VIDireWolfIV Месяц назад
The fact that the US doesn’t have a classic looking TOW Launcher vehicle like the M113 or the Humvee is kinda crazy to me.
@lancistyes
@lancistyes 4 месяца назад
28:20 it is what is a 1st gen missile. the bmp also has it, the 2nd gen missile is mouse controlled
@USSWisconsin
@USSWisconsin 2 месяца назад
Yup, and it definitely isn't the only vehicle. There are even agms that use the same control scheme, which is much worse cause you dive to fire it.
@Redstoneprofi01
@Redstoneprofi01 3 дня назад
​@@USSWisconsinalthough i believe it's the only vehicle or one of 2 that doesn't have an upgrade to mouse guided
@USSWisconsin
@USSWisconsin 3 дня назад
@@Redstoneprofi01 only two I can think of are the zachlam tager and that Japanese type 60(?)
@gameraltijd
@gameraltijd 4 месяца назад
i already feel sorry for how you will be suffering with how slow some atgm's are. the other half wants to see me suffer. Wait why is he talking about me?
@mineline5620
@mineline5620 2 месяца назад
"But not in warthunder." Well, time to leak secret documents!
@DrTank-s7y
@DrTank-s7y Месяц назад
Rut ro
@ZestyZaza420
@ZestyZaza420 4 месяца назад
6:10 here in germany they actually train direct fire with the PZH 2000
@Kohsandra_russia
@Kohsandra_russia 4 месяца назад
The Russianns do aswell with the MSTA but there's a funny video of one shooting a lada for training and the round ricochets
@dihannvanniekerk
@dihannvanniekerk 4 месяца назад
Yes...and when will they actually add it?
@ZestyZaza420
@ZestyZaza420 4 месяца назад
@@dihannvanniekerk i hope i the next couple updates
@MarkyMadsen69
@MarkyMadsen69 4 месяца назад
35:20 I actually work on the m113 a1 and I really think they are quite fun to drive in.
@PanzerPaw
@PanzerPaw 4 месяца назад
I rode in one once and not being able to see out of it while it moves was so disorienting lol
@MarkyMadsen69
@MarkyMadsen69 4 месяца назад
@@PanzerPaw When you are in The back as a Crew, it really feels like you are going faster than it really is going. On public roads you can’t stick your head out, so it feels weird, you think you are almost there but in reality you are halfway.
@poopsitoutgaming7575
@poopsitoutgaming7575 3 месяца назад
I got to drive the Bradley a few times. And it instantly made me want to re class. 😆 even better when driving at night blacked out using your nods.
@pepimcpeepson
@pepimcpeepson 4 месяца назад
Two things I've always wondered about the wired Missiles is: A) does the rocket not burn off that piece of wire ? B) do these vehicles actually have multiple kilometers of wire just stored inside ?
@brooosky
@brooosky 4 месяца назад
a) due to how fast the rocket is the wire probably does not have enough time to get hot and burn if the wire is stored and coming out of the missile b) probably located in the missile due to how thin the wire actually is( no idea about this)
@PanzerPaw
@PanzerPaw 4 месяца назад
The wire spool is on the launcher, not the missile
@brooosky
@brooosky 4 месяца назад
@@PanzerPaw oh nvm then both of my answer are wrong then
@SurplusGeek
@SurplusGeek 4 месяца назад
Former TOW Gunner here. In the case of the TOW, the wire is actually in the rear of the missile itself. It does carry enough wire to travel the distance depending on the missile but most variants can go as far as 3750 meters, with later variants being 4500 meters. Once the missile is fired, the rocket motor only lasts for about a few seconds and then the missile glides to the target. The early variants of the TOW can be jammed. This was done by confusing the optical tracker unit which uses a thermal beacon on the back of the missile to guide the missile. The later TOW 2 variants introduced a Xenon Beacon which makes it harder to jam.
@NathanPa-xo3zj
@NathanPa-xo3zj 4 месяца назад
@@PanzerPaw Theres actually Barrel launched missiles vehicle, maybe you should tried them for the challange. Exp: Kpz/Mbt-70, T-series, Sherridan etc
@LNERMALLARD4468
@LNERMALLARD4468 4 месяца назад
Loved the video, wanted to drop my two cents and let you know that Reversing with the Panzerwerfer is historicaly accurate. The half tracks would be reversed into position so in case they took fire they could leave the spot quickly.
@felixhain6062
@felixhain6062 4 месяца назад
He can never be depressed, unlike me… panzerpaw, youtuber tank commander, depressed
@severianboianoff7023
@severianboianoff7023 4 месяца назад
my opinion only but i don't think he does youtube for living.
@triplus198
@triplus198 4 месяца назад
​@@severianboianoff7023he quit his tank commander stuff to pursue youtube
@severianboianoff7023
@severianboianoff7023 4 месяца назад
@@triplus198 idk I did just started watching him like a month ago.
@boomerix
@boomerix 3 месяца назад
"Rockets on Tanks never caught on", there are several Russian tanks that carry barrel fired missiles in addition to normal tank shells.
@teslacoil4335
@teslacoil4335 2 месяца назад
swedish, american, and german aswell, i think he means these huge batteries just slapped on, barrel fired missiles are just better in every way
@ShadowDragon1848
@ShadowDragon1848 4 месяца назад
Pz. W. stands for "Panzerwerfer" and German again shows how weird and cool it is. Directly translated into English Panzerwerfer would be tank thrower or thrower of tanks. Which sounds funny, but isn´t really what the name means. It doesn't throw tanks, nor does the name suggest it does (not like the Nebelwerfer). A more faithful translation is armoured thrower. But that's also not really correct, because it doesn't "throw" rockets. It just is their transportation vehicle. The rockets are fired like any other rocket is. But "thrower" or Werfer is one of the German words for rocket launcher (rocket launcher means Raketenwerfer in German). Honestly I don't really know why that is (maybe someone knows why). To conclude Panzerwerfer just means Armoured rocket launcher. But it's funny when you translate it less faithfully.
@IceGuadian
@IceGuadian 4 месяца назад
I absolutely love the ss.11 it's extremely gratifying killing people with them, once got a 10 kill streak with the zachlam
@georgeerhard1949
@georgeerhard1949 Месяц назад
The M113 shows up in the American tree! It's the chassis for the M901 "Wall-E" TOW launcher which is a squadron vehicle.
@LeroxYT
@LeroxYT 4 месяца назад
Lmao why is the Background music of your Video part of my music playlist 😂
@bpw102896
@bpw102896 29 дней назад
In Soviet Russia,the tank didn't have depression only the crew did. Also by peoples logic that tanks are obsolete because we have anti-tank missiles,then ships are obsolete there's anti-ship missiles, aircraft are obsolete we have anti-aircraft missiles, people are obsolete we have anti-personnel missiles, missiles are obsolete because we have anti-missile missiles
@AaaroalWendigerfuchs
@AaaroalWendigerfuchs 2 месяца назад
Pz.w. Stands for Panzer (Tank) Werfer (thrower). ITS the mobile/Tank Version of the Nebelwerfer from the 2. WW. (German Rocket artillery)
@JerichoTheBeagle
@JerichoTheBeagle 14 дней назад
34:00 I groaned out loud at yet another shot ruined by Gaijin's insistence that TOW missiles flop limply out of the tube on launch
@SkunkdMonk
@SkunkdMonk 18 дней назад
I do not have a M113 in my backyard, but I have trained a lot of people in driving it.
@EkremSelim
@EkremSelim 2 месяца назад
Oh finally a long ass video
@atticush5183
@atticush5183 Месяц назад
Seeing as you upload tank videos im assuming you dont play air much or at all but a caliber evolution with CAS would be pretty cool.
@Rain-1945
@Rain-1945 4 месяца назад
The ADATS has the m113 chassis
@astrogumbie2399
@astrogumbie2399 4 месяца назад
You can actual reload all Ammo for every Vehicle in War thunder by the way you just need to get to a Capture Point your team Controls now some will 100% take a Good amount of Time to Reload but again you can reload all vehicles Also you can take out almost all tanks at the BR with those Missiles just have to hit them in the Correct place like the guy under the Bridge if you had pulled up and got lvl with him you could have possible smoked him. Also almost every tank that has Rockets/Missiles can adjust angle of attack even thou it doesn't look like it you need to change to secondary Weapon which will give you Sights for the Rockets/missiles ALSO FYI Maps do not always Measure the same distance per Square in each map, each map is actual different sizes on every map its fking nutz
@maxtermind5110
@maxtermind5110 4 месяца назад
The atgm sounds are extremely satisfying
@simonaarekol3336
@simonaarekol3336 3 месяца назад
There is one IRL tank that fires missiles, a modified Merkava 4 with a dummy cannon and a bunch of missile launchers in the roof of the turret. It's really bizarre.
@teloc1295
@teloc1295 2 месяца назад
@@simonaarekol3336 doesn't the m60 fire missiles from the barrel
@AdAll-iv6zs
@AdAll-iv6zs 3 месяца назад
Doesn't the BMP 1 also have MCLOS? (there is an modification to change it to a roof mounted SACLOS)
@a_catfish5180
@a_catfish5180 Месяц назад
2:14 “just like the driver” I thought to myself… oh I see Update: the pansarvärnsrobotbandvagn is a hilariously long name but the direct translation would be something like anti tank robot(missile) bandwagon
@oxide_actual
@oxide_actual 2 месяца назад
If you used you ranged your sight it's much easier to lob rockets. You could have done much better in most of these videos in the beginning if u had just done that. Cool video tho bro I'll sub
@Mr.Maus.Thunder
@Mr.Maus.Thunder 4 месяца назад
8:13 15cm Panzer wagen 42 = 15cm armored vehicle 42. Also Panzer means tank so hope this helps
@Jayfether_Jayf
@Jayfether_Jayf 3 месяца назад
Panzerwerfer and panzerkampfwagen should all mean armored car
@LastGoatKnight
@LastGoatKnight 4 месяца назад
The only missiles I want is SAM missiles. Soon I'll have one. AAMs are very far for me yet. I would like to try these out someday though, sadly I have none
@ManglerWT
@ManglerWT 4 месяца назад
Give your heart, soul, blood, sweat and tears to the gaijn gods and you will get there eventually.
@Lexus-fo3ey
@Lexus-fo3ey 4 месяца назад
@@ManglerWT or about 70 USD/€
@WeeWoo6up
@WeeWoo6up 4 месяца назад
​@@ManglerWT or, just buy a top tier premium for £25
@ManglerWT
@ManglerWT 4 месяца назад
@@WeeWoo6up Yeah
@obama-gaming4796
@obama-gaming4796 4 месяца назад
If the Hedgehog was in the video, shouldn't the Sturmtiger be there too? Nevertheless, nice vid👍
@TaiSiler-uq7fw
@TaiSiler-uq7fw Месяц назад
which sound mod do you have?
@Snek-qt1nf
@Snek-qt1nf 4 месяца назад
2:51 that was me XD
@JU-87Stuka
@JU-87Stuka 4 месяца назад
5:53 'its like something out of roblox'
@dragade101
@dragade101 4 месяца назад
@8:12, German isnt that hard. At least you should know Pz is Panzer. That this is a Panzerwerfer or a 'tank thrower' is fairly trivial. (like 'Panzerwagen' would have been a great guess.)
@wagnernicacio8700
@wagnernicacio8700 16 дней назад
Drone carrier when?
@privee5680
@privee5680 4 месяца назад
41.42 time you hit an insane vehicle look at they tracks and you onow what I mean
@Mr.Maus.Thunder
@Mr.Maus.Thunder 4 месяца назад
2:16 aw that was hard
@James.-cs4no
@James.-cs4no 4 месяца назад
21:32 blind German moment lol
@blackfalcon3910
@blackfalcon3910 3 месяца назад
Saying we have tank missiles why do we have tanks is like saying we have guns why do we have humans.
@Okuu__Gaming_1
@Okuu__Gaming_1 4 месяца назад
The calliope is funny, got a kill with it at 9.0
@JackFoster-de2hq
@JackFoster-de2hq 3 месяца назад
Zalcham tiger?
@oliverwilliams8541
@oliverwilliams8541 4 месяца назад
im thinking that 'pzwfr' is panzer (pz) wagon (w)
@xerosouls
@xerosouls 3 месяца назад
tis ok to call it the 15cm pz ubwuba 42, 15 cm Pazerwerfer 42 auf maultier (Sonderkraftfahrzeug [Sd.Kfz] 4/1,at least i think thats what it is i could be wrong ) doesnt exactly roll off the tongue oh if u want a fun one "panzerkampfwagen vi ausführung b mit 10.5 cm kampfwagenkanone" is always a fun one to say.
@Okuu__Gaming_1
@Okuu__Gaming_1 4 месяца назад
I killed a maus with the calliope rockets before
@LukášTřešňák-l4j
@LukášTřešňák-l4j 4 месяца назад
Pz stands for panzer 😅
@leonardozahn-ch5ng
@leonardozahn-ch5ng 4 месяца назад
pz W means panzer wagen
@miawmiawgary2024
@miawmiawgary2024 3 месяца назад
5:45
@Thetruesuitguy
@Thetruesuitguy 3 месяца назад
Cal I o p? No its Cali ope or Cali tope
@shinobi_o_o___
@shinobi_o_o___ 4 месяца назад
I've only ever gotten 2 or 3 kills with the Hedgehog
@PanzerPaw
@PanzerPaw 4 месяца назад
I've managed only 1 but it's so funny when it just lands near someone
@aydenfeit6395
@aydenfeit6395 4 месяца назад
the Israeli tank used to be mouse guided which i hate now :(
@sidodijkstra7740
@sidodijkstra7740 4 месяца назад
Had anyone a squadron I can join
@Lunareclipse3268
@Lunareclipse3268 4 месяца назад
There's no American M113 TOW (even though there should be) because the M901 does that exact job as a squadron vehicle, so it would be redundant and probably around the same BR. The fact that China gets *two* M113 TOWs in their tech tree is neither here nor there...
@Kenny_daffin
@Kenny_daffin 4 месяца назад
hi panzerpaw i love your videos i would love for you to help me grind or play with me
@jessymeowlight5660
@jessymeowlight5660 4 месяца назад
I will not tolerate SS.11 slender 😤😤
@qwerty_iuy4966
@qwerty_iuy4966 4 месяца назад
"it can never be depressed.... Unlike me" -PanzerPaw
@nichtthunder
@nichtthunder 4 месяца назад
Ma I love the Panzerwerfer 42 (Pz.W. 42), it's an incredibly good and borderline OP tank. After a while the rockets become very easy to aim, and they almost always one shot the enemy. And btw, you can actually shoot directly forward with it, the MG doesn't have an effect on that.
@AshenVanguard
@AshenVanguard 4 месяца назад
The TOW (The first one at least) can be jammed. Because it uses IR (I think?) or something like that, to determine the missile's position relative to where the scope is pointing. So it can be jammed. But from what I know, TOW-2 is immune to that.
@poopsitoutgaming7575
@poopsitoutgaming7575 3 месяца назад
Correct!
@tbomb69
@tbomb69 Месяц назад
No the TOW has always been wire guided, but it can be jammed by systems like shtorra, which came out about 15 years to late and no longer works on any modern missiles used by any competent military.
@serdarcam99
@serdarcam99 4 месяца назад
The biggest missile in the game currently sits at Rank IV Germany. Its Called 38CM Sturmmörser. Better known as Sturmtiger
@weegeepootis430
@weegeepootis430 4 месяца назад
but that’s a rocket
@serdarcam99
@serdarcam99 4 месяца назад
@@weegeepootis430 same as katyusha or 15cm panzerwerfer
@GingerTabby7
@GingerTabby7 4 месяца назад
the rockets on the rbt-5 are actual slightly larger
@thatonedude2228
@thatonedude2228 2 месяца назад
what he meant is that the 38cm Rocket is not a missile but a rocket, difference between those being, a missile i guided, a rocket is not.
@serdarcam99
@serdarcam99 2 месяца назад
@@thatonedude2228 as i said same as katyusha or 15cm panzerwerfer . Half of the list is rocket by this definition and whole video is wrong
@JegoPotato
@JegoPotato 4 месяца назад
You missed the m26 t99, but Great video as always
@kamilpiotrowicz248
@kamilpiotrowicz248 4 месяца назад
He said he'll use every tank he has. Not many people have the M26 T99 :D
@PanzerPaw
@PanzerPaw 4 месяца назад
Yeah it was either that or the Calliope
@QuestingTruck
@QuestingTruck 4 месяца назад
@@PanzerPaw If that's the choice Colliope was definitely the way to go. of the ww2 "missile" carriers it probably is the most recognizable to gamers.
@Blackphantom622
@Blackphantom622 4 месяца назад
The M-901 too 😢 he forgor Wall-E
@joashhappy5739
@joashhappy5739 4 месяца назад
pretty sure the hedgehog is a anti submarine weapon
@DodgerRedGaming
@DodgerRedGaming 4 месяца назад
the swingfire is my favourite being able to hide behind cover with the 45degree launch angle is so fun
@MyGamingBacklog
@MyGamingBacklog 4 месяца назад
The "evolving" series is always a treat! Love it :)
@Ghostpanzer
@Ghostpanzer 4 месяца назад
I’ve been really wanting them to make a humvee with a tow missle
@Ben-mw9vz
@Ben-mw9vz 4 месяца назад
3:15 artillery vehicle, calling in artillery support? Does that ever happen in real life, too?
@LocoMadAlex
@LocoMadAlex 4 месяца назад
Anyone know what helicopter he is in?
@y.m.9277
@y.m.9277 4 месяца назад
43:55 HAVE YOU NEVER FACED A FLEET OF T55AMDS ALREADY!
@spaghettinoodles7913
@spaghettinoodles7913 4 месяца назад
Just got it and I love it. The Amx30b2 BRENUS also has an aps that messes with the missile guidance of some of the older atgms
@y.m.9277
@y.m.9277 4 месяца назад
@@spaghettinoodles7913 Yes, that's another vehicle in Lower Br that has it. Pretty neat.
@spaghettinoodles7913
@spaghettinoodles7913 4 месяца назад
Yes. 8.7 is very fun bc you could get a downtier and face post war tanks with your advanced systems lol. Or get an uptier and get dogged on
@sidreynders4263
@sidreynders4263 4 месяца назад
0:59 those are actually torpedoes believe it or not
@marcogranados541
@marcogranados541 4 месяца назад
Don't forget the Raketenjagd-Panzer 2, it got mouse guided ss11 very recently
@Laundry-Sauce
@Laundry-Sauce 4 месяца назад
I hate the LOSAT
@weegeepootis430
@weegeepootis430 4 месяца назад
I love it
@dj-dn1se
@dj-dn1se 3 месяца назад
You forgot the French rocket launcher tank destroyer that only shots rockets
@arthureckert4391
@arthureckert4391 3 месяца назад
Pz.W. stands for Panzerwagen translated it means tank vehikel
@ThunderHunter2019
@ThunderHunter2019 4 месяца назад
Panzer for the rockets when your firing at capture points you should use that ranging button (sight distance control) everyone uses instead of just ranging it by moving your mouse around.
@SKyushi
@SKyushi 4 месяца назад
"Anti tank missiles exist, So why do we have tanks?" Well then... Anti Ship missiles exist, So why do we have ships?
@Domintor-op7lz
@Domintor-op7lz Месяц назад
Apparently the Calliope's main gun can not actually fire, because the rockets are set on the barrel which would break it if it fired, and the trigger mechanism was the same too. Idk if this is true, feel free to fact check.
@dragonfruitfan4894
@dragonfruitfan4894 4 месяца назад
you pronounced Zachlam Tager well however to fully pronounce it properly you should put more emphasis on the ch other than that you did well
@DanSpam225
@DanSpam225 4 месяца назад
one of the main issues i find with warthunders missiles at the min is the drop after launch
@crazyadam9281
@crazyadam9281 4 месяца назад
This issue was one of the worst changes they made, the only ATGM carriers I can use since this change is the British Striker, Swingfire and ZT3A2.
@DanSpam225
@DanSpam225 4 месяца назад
@@crazyadam9281 I used to love playing them especially the zt3a2, the 3 tandom atgm's are brutal just bit to slow. Other thing iv'e noticed alot playing the warrior is that the milan is manually fired (i'm pretty sure anyway) yet even in the atgm sight if you don't extend the main gun over the crest of a hill aswell it acts like its lost sight of the atgm, kinda takes away the point of it being on top.
@vgames1543
@vgames1543 4 месяца назад
The LOSAT is giving me PTSD. I played for *five hours* today for a single Rank 4 modification ffs! And I still have one left...
@Godspeed_95_51
@Godspeed_95_51 4 месяца назад
Wait how do you get test drivrs? Can you tell me pls😅
@joashhappy5739
@joashhappy5739 4 месяца назад
click on the vehicle and should be under modifications
@Godspeed_95_51
@Godspeed_95_51 4 месяца назад
@@joashhappy5739 i meant for like a vehicle you dont have but wana use it for eg a vid
@tunakann7629
@tunakann7629 4 месяца назад
As the only Type 75 MLRS main on earth, I'm offended it wasn't here
@y.m.9277
@y.m.9277 4 месяца назад
These MLRS may be more fun in sim battles. Maybe try them out some time? Especially for the low BR ones
@ILikePlanesIThink
@ILikePlanesIThink 4 месяца назад
I need a humvee with a TOW launcher on it, the ammo will be stored in the trunk
@RaliX1993
@RaliX1993 4 месяца назад
8:15 15cm Pz.W.42 stands for 15 cm Panzerwerfer 42 :)
@darthnick1516
@darthnick1516 2 месяца назад
The AS 11 is used in the helis the ground version the SS 11 is keyboard guided , but in the raketenjagdpanzer 2 there is an upgrade to make them mouse guided.
@sturmovik_80
@sturmovik_80 4 месяца назад
"there are no tanks with active protection system at 9.0" uhmm, T-55AMD doesn't exist???
@vdq
@vdq 4 месяца назад
Strv 81 rb has the same guided missile system regarding controls as the zachlam trager
@liambell708
@liambell708 4 месяца назад
The issue with the Calliope was that you could not use the main gun otherwise the bar to aim the rockets would snap irl.
@gruntopolouski5919
@gruntopolouski5919 3 месяца назад
36:25 TOW = Tube-launched, Optically-sighted, Wire-guided.
@Jordan-j5x8p
@Jordan-j5x8p 3 месяца назад
I find it funny he calls the calliope ‘col-i-o-pea’ when it’s called ‘kal-ee-ope’.🚀🚙
@The1austrian
@The1austrian 4 месяца назад
id love to see you do a historical thing: M22 at &.0 (with the M18, for like a 1944 experience)
@KV-1Bean
@KV-1Bean 2 месяца назад
Not evolving into the thumbnail vehicles without that Credit Card.
@darkwater6416
@darkwater6416 4 месяца назад
Day 1 of requesting a Colab between Fitzygames and PanzerPaw.
@KALL_ME_KAPKAN
@KALL_ME_KAPKAN 3 дня назад
that bm-8 was the first tank i got in war thunder and wow it sucks
@AusNav09
@AusNav09 3 месяца назад
The penetration increases at longer range. Need to use losat as a super long range sniper.
@HANNANYTOFFICIAL
@HANNANYTOFFICIAL Месяц назад
Try the tank calliope to fix the elivation problem
@TacticalGearHead762
@TacticalGearHead762 4 месяца назад
37:30 you forgot about the m901 im pretty sure its a m113 variant
@sashankgaming6818
@sashankgaming6818 4 месяца назад
Bro forgot to play a german Anti tank rocket launcher its at 8.0
@markus1351
@markus1351 4 месяца назад
I think missile-gun tanks like the starship should count as well
@SHEEPS_123
@SHEEPS_123 4 месяца назад
in WT the TOW on the 8.3 Bradley is capable of being jammed
@Laundry-Sauce
@Laundry-Sauce 4 месяца назад
Really?
@kamilpiotrowicz248
@kamilpiotrowicz248 4 месяца назад
Every atgm can
@SHEEPS_123
@SHEEPS_123 4 месяца назад
@kamilpiotrowicz248 The 10.0 Bradley with TOW 2 is not affected
@SHEEPS_123
@SHEEPS_123 4 месяца назад
@@Laundry-Sauce yes, I never thought of the fact that it doesn't make any sense
@hanz2035
@hanz2035 4 месяца назад
@@SHEEPS_123 it in fact makes sense because the jamming system is jamming the guidance system by basically overwhelming the optical tracking unit but this was only possible for TOW missiles TOW-2's aren't effected by that.
@Nishye501
@Nishye501 3 месяца назад
29:45 I first thought it was American because of that
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