Let’s be honest FFP is just a way of protecting certain clubs whilst keeping the other clubs in their boxes and not being able to challenge them ffp never evened the field it just protected the bigger clubs
what you mean the clubs who spent 50 plus years building their brand and teams to command the big sponsorshihp money? funny who people were attack the regimes as vile but as soon as they open the chequebooks some fans go quiet.
They will be questioned on the Day of Judgement for misleading people from the Path of Allah ﷻ by distracting people with Lahw (idle talks, music, sports etc) and for earning the price from selling alcohol, mixing of the genders, putting the 🏳️🌈 like PSG did etc instead of helping Muslims and spreading Islamic knowledge and unity. These are munafiqun (hypocrites) or probably apostates. Their religion is to seek the approval of disbelievers and polytheists who do not return the favour
When oil rich countries with unlimited money to change perception about them, using sports as the vehicle. They decide to compete against clubs owned by private companies/rich individual owners/supporter owned clubs , the latter reported to taking heavy debts to stay relevant. In the process quite a few clubs defaulted on loans, went bankrupt and historical clubs shut down. So yeah FFP limits your spending but understand why it was implemented in the first place. Just cos your club is now a plastic play toy of these nations doesn’t mean you ignore their actions cos that was the intent anyway.
The video came out 6 min ago and it’s 17 min long ? How are people commenting without fucking understanding what they are saying … just jumping to conclusions
Usually after these Man City accusations there will be news about Man Utd doing wrongs but with not so much media outcry as City get. Keep your ears out for Utd news in the next day or 2.
Because its an Etisalat deal that was as clear as day. This is not the first time the 30M deal came up. Any City fan seeing "30M illict from Middle east" already knows it's click bait. This issue has been clarified years ago. Even the clowns discussing it knows, except the ignorant audience.
Rather ironic that City was the only club in the corrupt PL who voted for an independent financial regulator. Also interesting that FFP charges go back to 2009 when FFP had not been passed until 2011. So now the PL is retroactively hitting City with charges? If that’s the case, then I guess Chelsea could be in trouble too under that logic. Just an fyi, most of the 115 charges are duplicates and a large number of them are for not cooperating which is even more interesting given that “cooperation” is quite subjective, but that shouldn’t matter either which it clearly does not. Also, City’s current squad is valued at >1b however it did not cost that much. Ps. Piers shouldn’t be lecturing anyone about clubs spending money when Arsenal have a 5yr net spend of £685m assuming Rice deal is a go compared to City whose net spend is £255m including Kova signing. Then again, don’t let the facts get in the way of a good narrative
You do realise that because of the past actions of clubs with owners like Man City, PSG etc, the market has gotten to a point where the only way to compete for 1st place is to spend vast sums of money. Their level of spending has inflated the market. City had it easy, they were one of the first so the market wasn’t yet inflated when they started their spending spree. Don’t get me wrong, the City business model is perfect, and they are now very astute in their spending.
wheres all the other leaks, kinda of ironic the only leak comes from the year FFP started dont you think, i know full well they changed the rules and moved the goal post in 2010 took debt out, and tried stiching City up....these 2012 charges are all a result of them emails thats it
Might also add that with the Declan Rice deal, Arsenal's net spend over the past 5 seasons is higher than any 5 year period in Man City's history. That's not even including any further signings made in this window (Timber etc.), or in the upcoming January window. City got CL revenue in each of those seasons whilst Arsenal have only qualified once out of the 5.
Yeah but where does that money from Arsenal come from? Where does City's money come from? City are alleged to have broken FFP rules Arsenal are not and they can spend as they are a bigger club that earns more. It's very simple
@@SeanMazhindu Liverpool hired a guy who illegally accessed Manchester city's youth database (while working for liverpool) if that's what you mean by working hard? It certainly puts an asterisk next to every lfc youth player for the next 15 years.
@@jonbon8821Uniteds debt is down to their owners not the club! United make stupid amounts of money annually! City had to sports wash to become a brand why are we justifying it! Cheating is cheating
@@kevinwilliams1421Whether he wants to go back or not is his personal choice, The question he raised is Are Brits people racist of Middle East people? I am not saying all but still quite a lot of people in the Top posts are Racist, whether u accept it or not is upto u
An intelligent, unbiased conversation needs to be had on this subject. That's not what you get with Piers Morgan, he's not unbiased, he's moderately intelligent, and he's an Arsenal fan first, a broadcaster second.
@@VulcanNitro What about the FA Cups, League Cups, the clubs who have been relegated or kept out of Europe due to being beaten by a team assembled by cheating? The whole thing is a mess and the Premier Leage have the chance to make sure other club owners think carefully before doing this again. If found guilty they should be expelled from the Premier League, the Football League should refuse them entry into the Championship and they should have to re-enter into the lowest league - as a different club and with a different name. Anything less and justice will not have been served on everyone that they've cheated, and the chances of it happening again will be increased. None of this will happen of course, they'll get a fine (which an anonymous sponsor will pay on their behalf) and a stern warning.
@@michaeldodds2722you sound so bitter. You must be a man united fan 😂. I'm a arsenal fan and I wouldn't wish all those nonsense u commented to happen to city
@@tm8844 Then you're a fool because if it's not stopped in its tracks the only league winners in the foreseeable future are Man City and Newcastle, and Man Utd if Qatar buy them, along with all the European honours. Arsenal, unless they're bought by someone with countless billions, have zero chance to win the league EVER again. You got as close as you'll ever get last season. If clubs are caught brazenly cheating their way to honours - over a decade - and are not thoroughly dealt with then fans will come to realise that there is absolutely no point in paying a fortune to watch their teams being unable to compete years ahead. The charges against City, if proven, are mind blowing in their corruption. You would have them shouted at and allowed to continue with impunity, knowing that getting shouted at every ten years is a small price to pay. I would have them removed from the league entirely and permanently, be it City, Newcastle or Man Utd - or any other club.
@@duran9664 No shit China is commitimg mass genocides on a cultural/religious minority, as well as sending fentanyl to kill our people and cultural propaganda through tik tok. Might as well of said " Imagine if Hittler owned the team... things would be completely different. Hypocrisy" No Dumbass your just presenting two completley different situations. One country/leader is our ally that provides us with gas to survive the other is the evil rulers of the world...
At least they've got a question mark after scandal. 30m wouldn't buy one of Mbappe's boots but its enough to dominate English football for a decade lol
@@MarknoblesAcidhouseparty yeah and one of them is the grass was too long for a specific game, seriously this will all amount to nothing mark my words.
@@michaelwalsh8053 if you bother to check up on this you will find UEFA already looked into this specific accusation and didn't deem it worth following up.
How was it concluded that Middle Eastern countries who invest in sports are trying to mask purported abuses rather than just promoting their countries for tourism and business?
The problem is there are hundreds of people as wealthy as Sheikh Jassim in the Middle East, if the FA does not take any serious actions towards City, more and more ‘Sheikh Jassims’ will appear and start buying clubs in England. Within 20-30 years, all those state owned teams will replace the historic clubs whom built their success brick by brick as they have nearly unlimited budget and won’t be hurt deeply by mismanagement. Is that what football fans really want to see? The so called ‘beautiful game’ will be completely ruined due to some disgraceful fans defending their state-owned clubs’ actions.
You can’t have it both ways, you wanted the big beasts to invest their money in the premier league, which in return made our league the biggest in the world and dominating football in Europe and then saying they are sports washing…..and Piers admitted there’s a lot of hypocrisy around this subject…
There is a lot of hypocrisy on this subject. However, it's no longer competitive football as teams like man city and now Newcastle and before PSG, they don't have any risks involved in their investments. They're that economically ahead of the other clubs, it doesn't matter if they win or lose the steaks aren't as high. Because of this football is meaningless now
Why would they? Totally different circumstances and people know that. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool etc spent over the course of 30+ years building up the revenue and reputations to be able to do so. Man City however sprung up out of nowhere and did it in much quicker succession. That implies cheating.
Well, no. If they haven’t broken the rules, I f course they wouldn’t be charged. Liverpool, Man United have spent decades building the fan bases for global appeal. Not just buying success.
@@stanettiels7367 and liverpool had one of the riches owners in the 1980 who pumped money into the club which gave them their foundation . They were also the most successful during that time and there was no ffp
@@iguiste23 utd always have an unfair advantage, Murdock and chums gave them global appeal by using them as the face of the EPL let's get it right, nobody else got a sniff apart from the usual Liverpool and arsenal of course
@@iguiste23 The three you mention all won when they were the richest, and that's how they built up their revenue and reputations. Now they're part of the UEFA cartel trying to pul up the drawbridge on clubs trying to do what they did.
@@Afc1987xcept the Emirates stadium part 🤦♂️ and let's forget about having a Putin puppet as a major shareholder for years 🤦♂️ gooners are hilarious with the self proclamation of being classy, fortunately everyone knows the truth. Idiots. 1:10
City had to rush at the beginning as the FFP were put in place to stop teams like City challenging the top 6. How is that a level playing field? So City with no debt want to provide their fans with a team to be proud of while other teams are millions in debt but be abuse they have bigger crowds or bigger sponsorship deals then that is ok. Give me a break with this jealousy.
Exclusive haha!!!. This was talked about 13 years ago...Morgan(Arsenal) and Lawton(United fan) are embarrassing. Have to say that David Dein spoke very well though.
@@1duhfullthat's not the point he's making he's only saying these aren't new charges its apart of the 115 charges from when city and ufea went to court
This case was already dealt with 3 years ago with the CAS. City showed all the evidence of something which happened 11 years ago. Piers Morgan does this for people like you who do not think or educate themselves but reply regardless . Piers Morgan can get heavily sued by man city and he doesn’t have the same power as them.
@@1duhfull So speaking facts when someone is wrong is paranoia or playing the victim now is it? 'Got ya! 🤦♂' That's up there with 'City have good lawyers and are defending themselves legally, that shouldn't be allowed, clearly means they are guilty' Some of you are so lazy and transparent it's unreal.
"My beloved Arsenal" says it all. If City have spent billions, what proportion is 30 million. Answer 1.5% of a 2 billion spend. 5 years worth of the UEFA charges going back from 2018 were able to be considered by CAS, earlier charges were the only ones time barred. Arsenal spent 400 million last season, Chelsea more. Davis Dein spoke sense rather than the speculation from the others. What about Man United's recent fine for breach of UEFA FFP. Is the premier League not investigating?
“That squad that city just won with cost the best part of a billion pounds”. Ignores the fact Chelsea and United are spending more, and arsenal spent 105M on Rice and 70M on a forward who kicked 7 goals. Hilarious
Bitter rivals can’t handle city’s success even though their clubs have been spending millions and they still barking about city when they just know how to invest.
Revisionist history bro. Man city had no winning history or resources and out of now here could spend insane money. Only in the last two years have they calmed down. I expect due to the investigations. Only Man U and Chelsea were close to their salaries. Arsenal were much lower in Salary which is the biggest indicator.
@@BigGfromgrouphome irrespective of where money comes from, you have to spend it wisely. United and Chelsea have outspent City in recent years and look at Chelsea sitting closer to relegation than the title. United hasn’t won a premier league title for over a decade and have spent an enormous amount
@@Nateogg United havent outspent City, City have spent more but not just the players. City in the last decade has spent billions on players, same with stadium, training grounds, medical facilities etc. United have spent over a billion on players and on debt. Why do you think Ronaldo was complaining it was the same when he left long before City won anything. The roof at OT leaks and we get excited over a new lick of paint
Piers should sometimes allow these experts to land before interjecting. Understand they are constrained by time but should try and find the right balance 😊
@tinsaederesse9173 Bought & paid for with blood oil. Arsenal are a top 3 team in England for over 100 years City are a yoyo team who won the lottery with a tiny fan base that's not even top 10 in the UK
@@mikem8211 yeah but where's arsenals ucl brudda don't talk when you've not won a ucl u lot bottled the uel and said it was for the greater good of winning the league which u bottled
They cannot fathom it. All westerners have some level of white supremacy engrained in them. Some are more reasonable than others. Just like Americans think they're the best without substance to prove the point. It's a feeling. When Asians or Arabs or people from other ethnicities excel above them in some area it must be because they cheated and corrupt and because muh uman writes and whamen and gays.... Saying that aside. The premier league will be fine at the top. They just feel threatened illogically
How would you feel if your club that hasn’t won the league in 20 years have one of the greatest seasons in its history and stayed on the top the league freon August-April fall away to club with 115 charges.
The problem Peirs is Arsenal fan or he would bring the arsenal fan who've been brought to judge the city case ! PL just felt that UEFA fined city for 30 million and they want their cut as well. I predecit they will fine Man City 30 million as well to get over it.
@@Mancunianbluecmon, you don't need to be bitter anymore. Mcfc are by far the best football team in Manchester even England even Europe, but as far as the biggest. Your not in the same league as utd. Not even close.
I blame the UK government. Nobody can put 30 million pounds in the accounts of a football club without the authorities noticing it. Even here in Africa, our transactions are monitored by the Financial Intelligence Centres within the Central Banks. When a club commits 115 breaches of the top league with the involvement of foreign nationals and external funds from as far as the UAE, the UK government has to be involved, to bring the club, the league, and FIFA on the table. when they are quiet, the rest of the world with think that the UK is so desperate for this Middle East money and we can do anything financial there.
As much as I disagree with Piers on various topics, big respect for saying UK isn't in a position to attack any country in Middle East. Much respect Piers, it is these things that make me listen to you for your views, cos I know you can sometimes that just say it as it is without ANY difficulty and Cheers to you for that mate ! Love it. More of it please.
Middle East brought Billions into EPL to help locals and build excellent facilities and not mention the recruitment they have made. England government bodies should be ashamed of themselves. And now they want talk about human right in Middle East, are you serious now? Nobody talks about what happen in Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan
Wow, wait until you find out what he did to a dead girls phone, or the lovely photos he made of the British soldiers. You'll.warm to him even more lol. Scumbag should be in prison, not on our TV's
Morgan about to get sued? 🤣 Basically the whole thing was about something that was brought up in the uafa investigation and it boils down to some guy paid the money on behalf of Etisalat in 2 payments of 15m one in 2012 and in 2013 and that person was connected to our own, however those by a broker acting on behalf of Etisalat who was having cash flow issues, and city shown evidence at the CAS hearing showing Etisalat repaid the money a year later, so basically Etisalat used a broker and intermediary to pay their sponsorship to city and then Etisalat repaid it a year later, so in essence Etisalat borrowed the sponsorship money, this was a time bared offence at the time. Basically this just allowed Etisalat to start their sponsorship agreement earlier when they didn't have the money, but IGT allowed city to add it to their 2012 financial figure, but this is just a everyday business thing that lots of companies do called invoice factoring where companies get paid straight away but its paid back at a later date, it is just a general business thing that gets done all the time. Yes it was time barred but it would have been dismissed anyway similar to the same accusation made about Etihad, that was within the statute of limitation but was found to NOT be true by case and city was proved innocent
I wish I had your vocabulary talents mate. I've been trying to teach people why they're wrong. But it's just hard debating trolls who only wants to make you angry. They don't care about the truth. Well, I'm trying to say I appreciate when people like you come along. We need more of these logical answers to these charges.
If City were proven innocent then why were they fined? It was too long ago for UEFA to have brought a claim as they have a certain length of years they can go back on when suing. City were not found innocent because they had to pay a fine. You don't pay a fine if you are innocent
@@Herbalattraction3000 Cheers mate, i will defend our club because we haven't done anything wrong but idiots just read a headline without knowing the facts CTID
People are just here for clickbait, they never do a proper research. City have always maintained their innocence and won btw. EPL is a joke for even trying to tarnish a club creating their own history. They need to be grateful for city, this club has invested soo much money in the UK and created soo many jobs too. City will still beat these charges
@@sifunmon"Innocent until proven otherwise". He's been in this business long enough to know that it's all smoke and mirrors. He changed the nature of the debate by mentioning those other companies. Kudos
As someone who isn't English and doesn't support any English teams I find it quite remarkable that fans of teams like Arsenal, Man United, Chelsea openly complain that they feel that its unfair that Man City have an unfair advantage. In a league were players are regularly and obscenely paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a WEEK by numours teams it's just fascinating to me.
Man United don't think it's unfair. That's for team who are not winning. People like you speak for the sake of it. City are a corrupt club and the fact that nothing is being done about it is the reason why these allegations keep coming up. So you should shut up if you're not informed
Money isn't the problem with those club sadly its city being successful...if city had so much money and wasn't successful they would careless if city have the charges
Exactly. Especially Man U in the early days, when they were dominating all the money revolve around them and other big teams. Since why they could make world record signings and have such an elite squad. The small teams didn’t have these leverage. Smh. Wasn’t it unfairly then? No the tables have turned
just like UK and US spend billions on olympics athletes, taking stars from other countries.premier league bought best players from all over the world, so whats the difference?
@@Blaze0071 My guy my guy couples weren’t allowed to be romantic I mean for crying out loud it’s a Muslim country those people are crazy. The South African World Cup was wayy better people were more happy. The Qatar WC was for Muslims. Worst part is the Anti Semitism of Jews there
@@SeanMazhindu My guy people in couples could be romantic in their private rooms, no problem, it's the same with Dubai - public form of affection is not encouraged (I say Dubai due to it being the hotspot). Nobody moans about not being able to kiss and be affectionate when a world cup is going on; it ain't the end of the world and you'd know if you were there.
This isn't about whether FFP is fair or not. It's about Man City allegedly cheating other teams who played by the rules while City did not. Other clubs have suffered heavily under FFP and still do. This has significantly affected big clubs like AC Milan, who weren't rich at the right time when FFP was implemented. City was bought right before FFP was implemented, and they made sure to, allegedly, boost the club artificially so that they could spend more money under the FFP regulations. This is cheating and should be punished...
Morgan about to get sued? 🤣 Basically the whole thing was about something that was brought up in the uafa investigation and it boils down to some guy paid the money on behalf of Etisalat in 2 payments of 15m one in 2012 and in 2013 and that person was connected to our own, however those by a broker acting on behalf of Etisalat who was having cash flow issues, and city shown evidence at the CAS hearing showing Etisalat repaid the money a year later, so basically Etisalat used a broker and intermediary to pay their sponsorship to city and then Etisalat repaid it a year later, so in essence Etisalat borrowed the sponsorship money, this was a time bared offence at the time. Basically this just allowed Etisalat to start their sponsorship agreement earlier when they didn't have the money, but IGT allowed city to add it to their 2012 financial figure, but this is just a everyday business thing that lots of companies do called invoice factoring where companies get paid straight away but its paid back at a later date, it is just a general business thing that gets done all the time. Yes it was time barred but it would have been dismissed anyway similar to the same accusation made about Etihad, that was within the statute of limitation but was found to NOT be true by case and city was proved innocent
How do you know all these other clubs are playing by the rules? You don’t so probably best to shut your mouth because you aren’t a professional lawyer are you just a RU-vid one that thinks they know it all
When people, whether they be pundits or fans, ask if it's fair that City found a way to the top, what they're really asking is whether it's fair that their routing interests --the sides and colours they supported when City "knew its place" beneath their boots-- now have genuine competition for silverware and glory. What they're really saying is that they want the order-of-things in football to return to a time when their clubs won routinely, where outspending sad-sack City was the norm, when their boys would win unchallenged; patting themselves on the back for a supposed birthright at the top of the table. They used to get drunk on championship streamers. The used to think their sides were better and smarter of those less fortunate. What a modernity of foreign ownership has brought to "their football" is a leveled playing field for one-time "sad-sack" City. Blue Manchester doesn't know its place in the caste of what used to be. How dare they, eh? If your side can't plan towards competing with like-capitalized opponents (because, let's be real, Chelsea and Man U throw more money at transfers than City has the last handful of campaigns, resulting in little but further disappointment and more flailing demonization of the scary brown other from another land), I suppose it's just easier to throw shade that accuses the nefarious. When people, pundits or fans, clamour that "the soul of football" is at stake, make no mistake about it, those accusations have everything to do with sour grapes resulting from City winning on the pitch, a joy formerly won by their boys, a joy now lost because of the failure of their own ownership groups and the decision that have led them to places other than to the top of the table. The hypocrisy and self-interest is glaring. Said hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness should be embarrassing. But, no, the forces that whine seek only comfort in the excuses that explains away their own inadequacy.
What a waste of words. City have broke FFP rules potentially 115+ times. The rules apply to all clubs. Wealthy owners can't just come in and financially juice their team champ.
@@TheAbabab77 well that's what happened in the business world even start-up is funded that way to catch up to the old corporation If you don't do that the big4/5/6 will stay the same all years
The charges are stupid , it was the owners money , I’m a United fan and I remember David Gill was involved with introducing FFP as a way to prevent city’s money from been spent
Nah who know who’s the smartest Ali Hassan saluka the dessert donkey who spends billions upon billions since 08 and only won one CL hahahahahahahahahahah
Amazing how quickly you moved on the ex arsenal chairman who quite rightly said innocent until proven, don’t take titles away…. All comments that didn’t fit the hysterical news slot you were trying to create. The boring, sensible response got given two or three sentences!! 😂
@@yarp123123123123123 We will accept any consequence. However, right now it’s all allegations they have to prove it. We waiting til all the facts are out then we can proceed.
Mancity league & cup title should be strip away. The only way that could make bribary legal is to bribe big enough amount of $$$ to silent the law enforcers.
Lets be honest, city came along with ownees that make £134 million a say, combined wealth if 775billion, and tge elite top 4 at the time,who spent and bought anyone and any amount they wanted,and they didnt like it.
@Wiiggz ano like the 600 million they got payed of to stay in the Premier league near gone 😆 now city r having success it's all illegal nxt it be Newcastle 😆 🤣 take Care lad respect
Innocent until proven guilty .. there will always be accusations when you’re the best .. Messi got accused for winning a rigged World Cup… and ballondors … You know why? Cause he the goat
There's a big difference between sports washing and sports cover up. There's nothing wrong with countries that have historically have done appalling acts, recognising that, improving, then using PR to improve their image. They are investing massively in areas the government hasn't. The problem is when or if they are using this PR to cover up acts still going on
Please tell me how betting sponsorships are not sports washing. Please tell me why arsenal's main shirt sponsorship is not sportswashing. Or standard chartered? Please tell me how their reputation has not been washed. Thanks,
@@jonbon8821 Please tell me how any of these countries have worse human rights records that the Uk, Germany, Japan etc. Take Gay marriage, we constantly crises a deeply religious culture, yet our own, far less religiously dominated, supposing, free one, only legalise Gay marriage 9 years ago. Are Saudi worse than China, yet i hear no comment on not using cheap Chinese products or food. How is betting sponsorships sport washing? Yes theres middle eastern betting companies, if we go through the list of betting sponsors, Dafabet (Phillipines), HollywoodBets (South Africa) King Power (Thai), Stake (Australia), SBOTOP (Phillipines), i could go on, Linking that to Sportwashing and the middle east is ridiculous, as is saying a team shouldnt be sponsored by one of the largest Airlines in the world. If these countries are committed to a more western style of attitude we shouldnt be lecturing them considering our own past. Now as i said, trying to use sport to cover up things still going on is a very different story and shouldnt be accepted. But its very easy to sit in a glasshouse and point fingers whilst forgetting our own, often buried and ignored past. Everyone should strive to be better everyday. Running around claiming to be perfect and blocking anyone who, at least says, they are trying to do better, its the way to do that. I have massive issues with Saudi, but while they continue to try and be better its not our place to deny them
Premier league will soon have destroyed European football. It's not football first,its money first. Fairplay is dead. Man City don't deserve to win anything at all. They should be banned from Champions Leauge.
