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That’s fair but that could also be attributed to the sudden change from doing only inclined to then suddenly starting flat bench after months of not doing so
@@OliverJames69No, it couldn't. Switching to a new angle of motion for bench press should not injure if done properly. Don't try to excuse the risky lifting technique (or lack thereof) that is dropping the weight on the eccentric part of the movement
@@gustavogatti7841 that is 100% a factor. Regardless of his form or lack there of there’s a reason this happened only this specific scenario and not every other time.
@@OliverJames69 it's commonly known that correlation does not mean causation. It's unhealthy to think that switching the plane of motion by a few degrees puts you at a risk of injury. If that's your belief, you are training seriously wrong. It's really as simple as use proper tempo & technique and you will be at minimal risk. Not with a particular movement- we are speaking broadly. The movement performed should not matter with this philosophy. These injuries are self-caused: The way you worded this indirectly shifts blame to the movement.
The thing with Sam for me, isn't that I'm chasing him looking for specific workout advice. Sam is extremely relatable and helps cut the fear of jumping into it. I seek people more like you for strict advice. I seek people like Sam to help keep me motivated and to remember to laugh at myself.
This is the best honestly. You don't need to subscribe to just one way of lifting and build your life around that. You can find useful advice everywhere and only take that advice and forget the rest. This is more of a lifestyle thing, but Andrew Tate. People hate him, because they listen to each and everything he has to say and focus their life on hating him. Instead of just taking what they want (let's say the way he can express himself) and move on with that newfound information and eventually skill. That's why I like what you said. Sam is relatable and helps you overcome your fear of trying, Dr Mike goes more in-depth and helps you get an optimal routine that helps with your form and prevent injuries. Someone like Will Tennyson (definitely recommend watching him) is more lighthearted and brings up a lot other avenues of the fitness industry that people miss. You can get athletes showing you how to train, like swimmers, javelin throwers, long distance runners, sprinters, etc. Everything is online and can help you in your journey. It's not about just learning from one perspective tho, nowadays it's much easier to reach the best results much quicker. If you put in the work to learn and then do.
I really hope Sam Sulek sees this video, he is a great creator but I’ve always thought a session with Dr Mike and the boys would do him well. Make it happen by the way!
@@SUPER8ALTERN8 Yes but if he happens to find it as enjoyable to train similarly to RP or incorporate some concepts( because obviously enjoyment in training and consistency with it are by far the most important factors) he could be doing better.
@@automata1582 like Dr Mike doesn't take drugs, the dude grew horns on his head from GH.. stop speculating, stop thinking your style of training is superior, what he's doing is what he enjoys
Honestly i think the appeal of Sam is that he is so relatable and doesn't really preach anything past the extent of "do what's fun/feels good and go to town on it" while being extremely humble and having a lot of realness to his videos with his 30 min monologues EDIT: Wrote this comment 7 months ago. My opinion has changed and is now a lot more nuanced. There are a lot of problems with Sam and his popularity, especially among youth, and I acknowledge that.
I really respect how you just didn't basically just call him a dumba$$. You gave him legit constructive criticism and taught us something. I've been lifting for 15 years and I learned a lot in this 20 minutes. Thank you. I still struggling with "bullying the weight" but as I get older I'm getting better at focusing on the actual movement, sometimes the ego still gets in the way 😂
Doc went into full "class is in session. No time for jokes. Let's get serious while providing KIND, constructive feedback." Full Professor mode activated in this video. Great, great video. Gems.💎💎💎💎💎
What Dr. Mike says about protecting your joints starting at a young age is the best advice on earth. At 65, I've had both knees replaced, 3 rotator cuff repair surgeries, and chronic epicondylitis of both elbows. Wish I had you advising me back in the 80s, Dr. Mike!
😂 I’m in the same boat. Both knees replace and at least 3-4 rotator scopes. Just had left hip replaced. I’m at the tender age of 66 😅. Im starting to train under a former IFBB pro to help with muscle symmetry but now I want her help on “how to train without injuring myself.” Ugh!
@@HkFinn83 long distance running (30-40 miles per week) after knee surgery that removed part of the cartilage and couldn't repair a toen ACL. It was the late 70s and that technology didn't exist. I took up bodybuilding and squatted heavy and lunged heavy anyway.
Doc Mike has literally changed how I do every exercise. Kill momentum, slow eccentric, deep stretch. I'm avoiding ego lifting and maximizing quality and loving it.
It kinda bums me out to see his form. He’s obviously a super hard worker, and he’s got a crazy physique, but he’s doing a lot of junk reps. I don’t know if it’s ego lifting so much as just thinking “more weight = better,” but if he’d drop the weight a bit and just increase his range of motion he’d be unstoppable, let alone if he took all your advice about slowing the negative and all.
@@armandogonzalez1145 depends on ur humor. most of his jokes are edgy pedo jokes or gay jokes. if you think thats funny, then it is. if that’s not ur thing, perfectly understandable. comedy is diverse
Love how this guy delivers his content - tone of voice, cadence, attitude, etc. You can clearly see he's a great person, intelligent, very knowledgeable, and also very comfortable speaking "unscripted" to a wide audience. #RESPECT (P.S. - "Modern Wisdom" brought me here, hadn't heard of him before listening to episode #744)
@@freshprince512 Yup and the pure scientific approach with the humor does it for me. Not to mention I relate to the Russian Jew Immigrant part and the bald head lol
You can tell he doesnt really approve of sams form when it comes to a lot of exercises but he critiques it in such a respectful and informative way, no judgement, no ego, just advice based on science and a genuine appreciation for Sams achievments
I really enjoyed this video. You offered great advice without putting Sam down. You included humour without it being at Sam's or anyone's expense. You complimented Sam throughout. You were clear and thoughtful with your words. You, as a tutor, clearly understand that whilst offering advise about the bad is great, encouraging the good is just as, if not more inspiring than the former.
As someone who used to be a "strict form until failure" type, trying Sam's method of going heavy with intensity has really helped me break my plateau. There's something to the explosive intensity that really stimulates growth. Brough to you by bro science.
My body definitely responds to heavy lifting. Took me 25 years to figure it out lol. I did a linear progression strength program for 90 days written by Brian Alsrue and couldn't believe my eyes. Deadlift, OHP, Squats, weighted pull-ups, farmer carries and I gained 12lbs.
As a comparative noob, these critiques are quite prescriptive, and reinforce a lot of little points that I've been trying to incorporate into my training. It's very helpful to see things like controlling a slow eccentric, and ensuring full range of motion, to include a with a stretch. Simple points, but very helpful to see them emphasized through an example. Much appreciated!
Hey Mike! I've been following your advice as a beginner lifter and while its not flashy and moving around a shit ton of weight, the results are definitely there. I've been growing faster than ever before. Keep up what you're doing!
I think his training does involve a type of periodization in fact. It's not so much the reps and how he does them, but if you watch his videos in total, he alters volume and intensity and even choice of exercises day to day in an autoregulatory way... He has his splits but within them he changes on the fly based on his performance. An autoregulatory periodization. He's incredibly bright for a 20 something year old. I bet he sees a lot of what is said about him. Let's hope he takes care of himself and his training evolves so those that follow him learn.
I’d be really interested in your take on advice and theory’s of the bodybuilders of yesteryear. Mike Mentzer was dubbed the educated bodybuilder and preached infrequent high intensity training sessions, but also only suggested one set to failure. It’s be a cool series to see you analyse some of the older pros training techniques and styles
The best training for hypertrohy is 1-2 sets until failure in the 6-10 rep range. Scientifically the best way to build muscle. You can still build a good amount of muscle ego lifting, sure, but that training is the best
The hoards of teenagers at my gym training like Sam now is astounding, but at least they're in here training and not out doing drugs or other dumb shit.
Just looked up if he had already done this video - came just in time! I really enjoy Sam’s videos cause he’s so down to earth, feels like I’m goin to the gym with my buddy.
Thank you Dr. Mike. Been applying your time under tension and pauses in my routine. Lower back and joints feel great while my muscles still have that tearing sore feeling!
he has close to 600k subs because he exudes the love of training, not what training will get him but the pleasure of the grind, not many pros whit those numbers.
First time seeing this channel and honestly the best, accurate and nice critique of sam. Seriously think the guy is very relatable and has a charisma that is enjoyable. It's tough being that young and having someone like you to actually get better information. But again he's talented just hope he realizes how much people idolize the stuff he says so that there is accountability. Kudos to you for a great video. I'm subscribing.
I watched many of videos like that Dr. Mike and I love them! I learnt so much last half year and I see huge progress in my physique and strength while having no injuries at all :) However, it would be really nice to see more videos with "face to face" critique. There was one I remember and it was great to see the response, reasons (even if they made no sense). Discussion is always better then one side critique. And while I'm concern you are right it turned out that in some cases people have good reason to train differently than optimal (body structure, past injuries etc). And beside all of that I'm always just curious what people they are, how they'd react to critique. Some of them look like they think they know everything but in fact they may be really open to changes and some not :)
Man I remember ego lifting for every lift, thinking i was doing amazing only to realize i was moving weight around and not maximizing my stimulus and growth, instead just injured myself. Hope sam stays healthy and begins to evolve and learn even more.
Yeah he probably did. I know I would've said worse 😂. At least he gave him a fair grade. I thought he was going to give him a higher grade. I'm glad he didn't cuz that would've ruined the video for me. I hate ass kissers. Good video👍
@@user-he4ef9br7z not bad? You obviously haven't been close to pulling a tendon or actually pulling one. I've been close and it takes months just to heal it from hurting them a little. Steroids let you pull even harder. This is why you see them big guys pull a muscle right out. If he does that he'll never be the same again. Why risk it? And looks like he is close to doing it now.
I had a feeling this video was coming. I like watching sams videos because they are honestly chill and relaxing, not because I want to emulate his lifting
Amazingly said. I never have implemented any form he does (but his forearm workout is insane, only one I’ve used haha). I watch him because he is genuinely a down to earth and nice guy, just needs to clean up his diet, stop blasting as much gear and fix his form
I get what you mean, but as an influencer you have a responsibility to give proper advice. Sam has a young very impressionable audience that will follow his advice.
Man, my family has light weights and an adjustable bench. But ever since I slow down eccentric by good 3 seconds, I feel such a great workout. Even body workouts have been more difficult. This channel is so educational. Thank you Dr. Mike.
@@taylorg8509 that's why I think Dr. Mike always explains the difference between strength training vs hypertrophy. Do you want to build more physique or lift heavier?
joint health and longevity are key! I’ve been lifting off and on for 40 years. I’ve spent the last three weeks working with a trainer exclusively on mobility and trying to fix issues I caused back when I was young and lifting heavy/carefree like Sam. I love watching this kid work out, but waking up every day with aching joints and experiencing pain/limited mobility on regular daily tasks is a high price to pay for that type of intensity.
Yes but these young guys always think it won't happen to them but it does. I have them tell me all the time heavy benching does not bother them of course not dude you in your 20s or 30s even.
Love this approach, tons of practical knowledge and insights into what is common knowledge among you and your comrades. Thank you..Shameless plugs for the app are cool..you guys have given a lot free of charge and your books and audible educational materials are amazing, exemplifying excellence. Your critique was so gentle if felt like grooming. 😮
I think we all would LOVE to see you train with Sam. Would be highly entertaining and he seems like the kind of guy that would be hungry to learn info from you guys.
Good advice, just my opinion is despite his technique, form or anything that he needs to work on, i just think his advice on wanting to do something, or help feel a certain muscle because that's what you want more focus is genuinely what drives me, not to mention he's such a humble and very relatable person, his monologues and his talks are just really something that imo gives people that drive or motivation to just do your very best, and keep going
You can tell a lot of these guys just hop on gear early without much experience. So people think his workouts work but reality it’s the PEDS where his gains come from
@@TDCIYB77 Are they? One sponsor needed to boost their company and saw an opportunity. Sam is single handily carrying his sponsor on every social media platform. If he's not getting a few grand a month at minimum, then lol
@@SUPER8ALTERN8@SUPER8ALTERN8 Sam can likely sneeze and gain like he just did a compound lift. He's doing extremely well, but could be peak human if small things are changed. His body just reacts to everything extremely well. So while it works for him, advising certain things for everyone is a little off. They work for him yes, but not so well for others That's why the small critiques, but not saying what he's doing is really that awful
@@iancormier7550 he's not advising anyone he's doing his own thing RP dogma is so insufferable, hard work and genetics is what matters the rest is upto u
4:20 hes juiced up on more steroids than I have blood volume. I doubt the kid is planning to see 40 let alone old enough to have any kind of long term issue.
Moral of the story is similar to many young bb's. Drop the weight considerably and work on feeling the muscle not just throwing the weight. Sam will one one day realise that continuous heavy shit form is going to cause him issues. Not to mention all the gear he's using will mess up his future.
You don’t need to worry about a stretch reflex at the bottom with RDL’s. The mechanics of the movement are such that your body will move out of optimal positioning before the stretch reflex kicks in. That being said, at least a brief pause is never a bad thing.
Commenting from 7 months in the future, Dr Mike needs to do another one of these videos critiquing Sam Sulek again. Sam has changed quite a bit since this video was made.
Controlled eccentrics, tempo, and allowing a proper stretch at the end of the range, are the key indicators for if someone is training smart/informed or not, at least from what I see.
100%. You can get equal results to the ego lifters but handle much more volume over time. You're more injury resistant, connective tissue has time to adapt. What matters is internal mechanical tension, not the weight on the bar. RP style training is applicable to natural athletes as much as enhanced. Main difference is naturals can handle lifting in the lower rep ranges because there's less of an injury concern. Mike and the enhanced crew tend to stay in higher rep ranges, and he's mentioned in the past a big reason for that is enhanced guys are more prone to tendon injuries.
I appreciate your content so much Dr. Mike. I think the way you handled this review was perfect. One thing I value about Sam's contributions to the community is that his style of lifting is so different than conventional and evidence-based recommendations that individuals who stagnate in those realms may find plataeu-breaking effects by trying some of the methodologies that Sam shares. I respect Sam for that, and the benefit it could have to some members of the community. But as a 35 year old with a SLAP-tear, and chronic hamstring issues, I really appreciated your video and review of his form and methods. I most especially like that you keep the community collaborative. You didn't put Sam down, you acknowledged his strengths as both a content creator and lifter, and merely pointed out how his regimen could be scientifically more healthy. It's great info for the community while honoring his place in it. So well done, as always.
Sulek has gained traction as much due to his personality on top of his impressive physique. He's low-key and comes across as very humble and relatable. But it is worrying that his health takes second priority to his gains.
Watching this after watching the last workout Sam posted, where he preached the use of a Little lighter weights but with much better control, glad the guy learnes and is open to try new things. Also i gotta say that i love the hypertrophy app, all my lifts have been improved by a bunch and i feel way better
Really good point of view. It is worth acknowledging that this session might be Sam in a particular phase of his development. He may be sacrificing some form and neglecting eccentrics for more explosive and heavier weights, in order to break a plateau. Absolutely the correct advice is to prioritise form and get the most stretch out of every movement, but worth switching things up on occasion.
To gain strength and overload quick, Sulek type of training works great. I am not sure its bad for the gains eitherZ cause the heavier you lift the more your muscles grow in the end. The issue is about the joints and injuries.
Always thought I knew how to train because I played college football and worked out basically my whole life but ever since I stumbled on mikes videos I’ve been following his advice like the Bible and I’ve never had so much muscle growth before. Thank you greatly!
@@CZARNicholas-ht9dq nah I went to Jesuit school for 6 years was a Christian for awhile and I don’t believe in that stuff anymore. Wayyy too many inconsistencies
i like the use of the word 'safer' over 'better', as this style of training def will work and i know a ton of big guys that lift like this, but it most definitely is unsafe and can lead to pretty serious shit if you aren't careful. we've all seen the videos of people tearing shit, not fun
It's fairly publicly known rich indulged in lots of narcotics beyond taking gear. I don't think Sam's system is going through quite as much as Rich's did with his 🧊 use lol
Need Sam on here with a training session. He loves to move heavy weight and has a smart head on his shoulders, also is a humble guy and would 100% take all you critiques and tips to his future training. Got to get Jared to train with him.
Dr Mike is being VERY kind to Sam here. Not nearly as blunt and critical. He's still saying everything he needs to but... putting some sugar on t for sure.
@@cjjams7930or maybe bc he has a really toxic and fragile fanbase whenever someone doesnt agree with sam? Ofc not all people are like this im not generalizing
This was a good vid. You didn't berate him for views or cross any lines for internet drama. And you gave credit where it's due and critiqued only to benefit not just Sam but the rest of us watching. I used to lift that way with friend much stronger and like you said, younger and more energy. The sauce is ridiculously powerful and you move weight you couldn't before and you achieve it so fast you tend to get distracted by the little changes. When I had opportunities to train with friends who competed, they would use half the weight and slow me down, adjust my posture, grip etc. Once those small things were somewhat consistent, I would fail misrably and be done. That literally changed the topical 1.5hr workout to 45 min. Do you think the stretch and eccentric focus was hardly talked about 30 or 40 years ago? Every video you watched had all the great giants half repping but they had a lot of weight and did a lot of volume. But then again their range of motion on some things was a lot less due to the mass size. Look forward to your other content.
Much respect sir. You are probably one of the most honest, informative, and professional people out here. I'm really impressed with how you critiqued Sam. Mr. Sulek seems like a really nice guy and has a bit of knowledge in the sport as well. We have to give him that. You're right though, he needs work though. Best of luck to him and hopefully he takes your advice.
For me training Strongman, I find explosive fast concentric movement followed by a slow eccentric drop on exercises such as deads, ohp, bench, squat and rows has massively improved my strength snd hypertrophy!
I honestly was waiting for a big joke reveal after seeing his first exercise lol. It looked like my first time at the gym janking my weights. And then Mike saying "not terrible" lol.
I like how much you stress the slow eccentric movement. I wish I knew the importance of this all these years I've been lifting! For gainz, getting the most out of my sets, AND simply just for the injury prevention. You can push yourself much harder when moving the weight slow without nearly as much force and risk on your joints and ligaments. Good Stuff! Edit: You should do a critique of an old Mike Mentzer training session!!! Really curious on your thoughts on his training philosophy
Even though he likely wouldn't have gotten past the intermediate stage without drugs with this sort of training, I find him likeable for some reason. I get why he blew up
Why is Dr. Mike being so forgive on Sam’s shit ass technique, if it were anybody else lifting like this Mike would be ripping into them but it seems like he was only trying to find good things to say.
i’d guess because he probably sees himself in the 20 year old who just wants to lift and doesn’t gaf about if it’s bio mechanically correct or not? idk
I think the reason he’s so popular is his humble mindset allows him to give great advice to a layman. Sam rarely says “my way is the only way” and often encourages people to use common sense, contextual judgement, and he places an emphasis on intensity, consistency, and calorie counting which is what 90% of people need to hear
