Expert Talk: The Current State of Software Engineering • Jez Humble & Holly Cummins • GOTO 2023 

Great talk, thanks! It was also interesting to hear about Jez's career in the recent years.

14:08 If you’re not constantly refactoring, you’re probably a computer scientist rather than a software engineer. That’s my assumption.

Thanks! From Vietnam!

24:05 I don’t even trust my self! lol

The camera going in and out of focus is distracting.