@@Mr440c People didn't complain about King vs Armor King because people would first focus on the couple of other annoying characters of tag2 like.. Eddy, Lars, Bob, Slim Bob, Christie, Tiger, Kuma, Panda, Ling, Miharu, True Ogre, Jinpachi, Sebastian, Lili, Wang, Yoshimitsu, Unknown.. You get the point. Plus all the rage-retards like eddy/bruce, Jinpachi, Paul etc
@@u-thix2436 yup that inspired his win pose and trailer in tekken 7 Also that green mist is apprantly actually used in Japanese kayfabe wrestling in same manner he does . The composition is food colouring +water / powedered drink mix in a bag or balloon These mist called asian mists can be in different colours and do different things Green - obstructs vision Red - causes burning eyes , more intense than green Black - blind for several weeks Blue -induces sleep Yellow -paralysis Purple -momentarily loss of memory These are well ofc illegal (fitting for ak since he his brutal and plays dirty )but are frequently used in Japanese kayfabe wrestling Thought you would find it cool since it is used irl
So I have played both for years. My opinion is that in a general King is better because of his CH potential and how he can break down turtles. King has a very hard time with chars that have strong 10f moves and Strong CH highs as his high crushing is not good. Kings Tracking and the strength of his lows are also generally weaker and more risky, but his throws are much much better. AK does more damage in almost all situations, has great high crushes and lows and general poke pressure. I would also add his movement is much better and he had a smaller hurtbox which allows him to get DU off. What makes him weaker is his ability to connect, he is very vulnerable to a range 2 strategy
hi tmm i'm your big fan so i made a subs for korean just for this video. andd i don't know how the subtitles system works but if you see my work and you can confirm it, would you do it please?
The first month Armor King released in T7, you were saying that he was absurdly overpowered. Nowadays you're saying he's weaker than most of the characters in the game. I like your channel and content, but 1 thing I've noticed is that you flip-flop quite often, and follow what the majority thinks. Many of the things you say about the characters contradict with one another. I've been an AKing main since T6 and I mained King throughout S1 in T7 since AKing wasn't in the game. When AKing released, I mained him once again. Although AKing has gotten much weaker in T7 compared to T6 while King has gotten stronger, I still believe he is stronger than King in many aspects.
Dislike only because of calling b1+2 into dark upper is hard. It isn't. I don't know why main man so dramatic about that. And it's absolutely "a thing". Even Lee's 1,3,3,3 is a thing and can be trained to like 80‰ in real match. Armor kings b1+2 is waay more easy. I am Kazuya pad main, and with almost 20 years of experience i did df2 pewgf once. B1+2 into dark upper I'll drop maybe once in ten tries. Window is so large. Main man drop it every time only because he did it early every time he tries.
@@davidparry5310 Power creep is a huge issue in this game, TMM says it himself. Everyone does crazy damage. The only punishes that matter are 10 and sometimes 12 frame punishes. Characters need to be toned down. You didn't see everybody clamouring to buff the rest of the cast when Leroy came out too strong, why are King or Akuma any different? They're way out of whack with the rest of the cast, and moving every character to their level would make the game much worse in my opinion. Armor King isn't uniquely bad, he's actually a decent character with strengths and weaknesses. Perfect characters shouldn't exist in my opinion.
@@MindLessWiz 'The only punishes that matter are 10 and sometimes 12 frame punishes.' What about i15 punishers? 'You didn't see everybody clamouring to buff the rest of the cast when Leroy came out too strong, why are King or Akuma any different?' Probably because both of the latter two characters require skill to play*, plus a lot of people *were* complaining about Akuma at one time. 'They're way out of whack with the rest of the cast' I'd say Jin Kazama's out of whack with the rest of the cast considerably more than King is. King has conspicuous weaknesses (e.g. weak lows, limited rushdown, few panic buttons, poor tracking on most non-homing moves, particularly to his left).On the other hand, what weaknesses does Jin Kazama have in this game that you can point to? 'moving every character to their level would make the game much worse in my opinion.' I wouldn't necessarily advocate buffing every character to King's level. I'm in sympathy with the idea that easy characters should not be particularly strong. Giving people entry points into the game via easy characters and incentivising them to drop them at some point in favour of more technical characters by making the latter appreciably stronger makes sense to me on an intuitive level. Even with the more technical characters, I would not say that all of them have to be as strong as King. Some of them, however, could do with being quite a bit stronger than they are. Armour King, in my opinion, is one such. 'Armor King isn't uniquely bad, he's actually a decent character with strengths and weaknesses.' Some of those weaknesses don't make any sense. For example, a character whose punishment is otherwise very good having dreadful WS punishment is an anomaly that, to me, just doesn't compute. Armour King's WS punishment, in contrast to the rest of his punishment, leaves a great deal to be desired. He has no real WS punisher for between 12 and 14 frames, and his i16 WS launcher just screams bad design. His i15 standing launcher having the crappy range that it does is another anomaly that doesn't make any sense to me when considered in the light of his punishment en toto. Correcting these flaws, beefing up the currently pathetic range of his i15 standing launcher, fixing the range and hitbox issues of WS 1 and maybe giving him an extension to his presently fairly useless WS 2 to give him a i12 WS punisher, wouldn't go amiss as far as I'm concerned. Another buff to Armour King that I would like to see is an equivalent to King's f1+4, a mid that is relatively fast at 17 frames and is +3 on block, and thus is a highly useful tool for setting up King's bufferable command grabs. Presently, all of Armour King's mids that confer frame advantages on block are decidedly on the slow side. Thus, if the Armour King player wants to gain a frame advantage to set up a bufferable command grab, they have to go for either d3 or ffn2, which will eventually leave them open to being blocked and punished or even parried by a hard-reading opponent (it's worth noting that Armour King's ffn2, while conferring a much bigger frame advantage on hit than his d3, is launch-punishable on block by the entirety of the cast at -18, unlike d3, which is only -12 on block, and so is that much riskier to apply). Giving him a mid that is both relatively fast and confers a frame advantage on block, and thus allows him to set up his bufferable command grabs with relatively low risk, would be a buff that would make sense for a grappler such as Armour King, as would the introduction of a fast mid homing move to clip those sidestep or duck the command grab (at present, all of Armour King's homing moves are either highs or slow). All of the aforementioned buffs would probably, if implemented, still leave Armour King a weaker character than King, all else being equal. Certainly, they would not, in and of themselves, come close to making Armour King a perfect character. They would, however, correct those weaknesses that he has that, to me at least, don't make any sense, and which strike me as anomalies that run counter to the kind of character that Armour King is. *I say this of Akuma through gritted teeth, as someone who is really, really not a fan of the way in which the idea of incorporating guest characters from other fighting game franchises has been implemented in Tekken at all. That, however, is an entirely different discussion, and, incidentally, one that I've had many times in RU-vid comment sections, mostly on this channel but also elsewhere.
@@MindLessWiz I should point out that I made in an error in my previous comment. I said that Armour King doesn't have any mids that are both fast and give frame advantages on block. That isn't quite true. As pointed out in the video, his b1+2 is 18 frames and +1 on block. Still, it would be fitting to give him a better mid option for setting up bufferable command grabs, one that confers a bigger frame advantage on block.
@@davidparry5310 Hey man I appreciate your thoughtful replies! I have no objections to what you're saying, really. I'll take back my blanket statement that Armour King is "fine". Your suggestions for buffs make sense to me. I think we're generally in agreement here. I'll still say King is a bit too strong for my taste but I've never felt too strongly about it. Here's to Tekken 8 with less bullshit and guest garbage that compromises the game...
15:13, you can get 70 is you use 2 jab instead of 1. Slightly tighter window to go for the grab but easier apon practice. Applies to any combo that involves a 1 jab. Try replacing it with a 2 jab, ALWAYS more damage.
Thank You for summing this up. I'm an AK main and u speak out of my soul. His mids should be faster or he should have at least more mids. And I'm still dreaming about a 2nd Ragedrive as an combo extender. See You in Your Stream buddy!
S tier: King A tier: Armour King, Craig Marduk, Sergei Dragunov, Nina Williams, Anna Williams, Jack 7 B tier: Paul Phoenix, Devil Jin, Julia Chang, Eddy Gordo, Ganryu, Kuma/Panda, Heihachi Mishima, Hwoarang, Jin Kazama, Marshall Law, Ling Xiaoyu C tier: Everyone else
Some people in the comments are freaking out that King would get nerfs because of this video (Same goes for Paul): Been maining Paul and King since Tekken 3. Both of them have been trash in every non-Tag Tekken like forever and since they are finally good in Tekken 7, I couldn't care less if they get nerfed in the next patch.
'Both of them have been trash in every non-Tag Tekken' Don't agree with that at all. King's been consistently strong since Tekken 5. Paul was pretty strong in Tekken 4 and Tekken 6.
@@davidparry5310 Paul had abyssmal While Standing punishment in Tekken 6 (There wasn't WS 3,2). Only Generic WS4 or WS2 for -16 and downwards. Bound tools were mediocre at best, there was no qcb+4, qcf+3 was easily launch punishable with no real reward.. list goes on.
@@5uomalainen 1) I could be wrong, but I believe most characters pre TTT2 didn't have WS punishers for between 12 and 14 frames. 2) Paul's b1, 2 was a decent bound tool. 3) qcb4 didn't yet exist, sure, but Paul had (as he's had since Tekken 3) qcb1, a pretty good counterhit launcher, though admittedly, it was much worse on block in Tekken 6 (-9) than it is today (neutral). 4) qcf3 may no longer be launch-punishable on block by all members of the cast, but the reward on normal hit is still pretty paltry. It does launch on counterhit, but it did that in Tekken 6.
@@davidparry5310 QCB1 isn't that versatile even todays' standards but it's not bad, I must say. b1,2 but its range was linear and sometimes questionable while for instance Lars and Bob got everything needed. I must say though, I'm not expert with Tekken 6 so I can't say too much about while standing punishers but at least in retro-perspective, it feels awful. But unfortunately, QCF3 doesn't launch. It's the same like in Tag 2. You get maybe guaranteed generic low kick but in general its so called reward on counter-hit is better okizeme. Not worthy for launch-punishable move.
People who play king instead of armor king are like the people who order one below the hottest buffalo wing sauce. They can't handle the heat, so they gotta take it down a notch.
Why don't you put light on kazuya, he is so overpowered in season 3, you are biased mainman, btw AK lows are better his d3 gives guarantee hits on ch, db3 is +6 king is +2.
Why does my Kazumi has big trouble against Armor King and is much easier vs normal King. It seems like AK has an answer for everything and hard to open up and very strong Okizeme. His pose / animations are misleading since his right arm at right side is hidden most of the times. Very often you don't realize intuitively what he is doing since his animations hide if things are high or mid. King is much easier to read. I defend by reading the animation and not learning moves by heart and AK is one of the worst to read with his outfit.
King is my main and armor in the second main.. for me king is better than armor but i think armor better with fast characters and femele coz hes faster than king
Armor King is still way cooler and my personal favorite of the two. A good Tekken player can make their favorite character the strongest in the game, it’s that balanced.
At least, they should have gone with the gimmick and given him more armor moves than rest of the roster... How about making that f+4 and db+1+2 armor moves? xD I find his lack of mid mix-ups EXTREMELY frustrating. It's always a damn risk approaching your opponent with Armor King.
Armor king is the only character that got me out of greens. I tried King first but he felt more gimmicky to me. Lil Majin said it best about AK "I just fight, I just play Tekken." and that's how I approached him. He's an honest character with style and his wins are rewarding.
Not gimmicky. Just more throws and the chain throws. And harder to execute without getting counter hit and demoralized. They can also be guessed to cancel them so definitely not gimmicky if it's 50% effective. If you can't use King crushes and pokes, which are average, you're never getting out of greens.
Wah Wah Wah.. Be happy he's in the game, some people's mains didn't even make it into Tekken 7. My main has been raped for his moves and replaced 3 times in Tekken overall.
@@nightmareimpact8103 Oh! He was pretty cool. I never played him myself but some of his moves seem simular to Josie. From a noobs point of view at least lol.
As a king main i enjoy this video... i would like you to do something similar with marduk (because you played him a few days ago) and king explaining who is better and you know. Great video TMM!!
David Parry Marduk has the following that AK doesn’t: - 2 Launching throws - reliable ground 1 and 2 break throws - 3 unique air throws that are easily executed - tackle with easy high damage 3 way mix-up - 3 command throws with seriously punishing oki - much easier chain throws with slightly less damage
With AK's f,f, n, 2 it has better speed, better frames on hit (which was mentioned), AND on counter hit you can pick up for a combo. I still don't think it should be as punishable on block, but maybe that's why they made it so punishable?
Yeah, I suspect that that might have been why they've left it at -18 on block while buffing King's to -14 - higher risk (all members of the cast can launch-punish Armour King, whereas only a select few can launch-punish King), higher reward (Armour King's ffn2 leads to a much bigger frame advantage on normal hit and leads to a full combo on counterhit, whereas King's version on counterhit leads to an automatic command grab for 53 damage, which is not quite as good). That kind of makes sense.
Its like why Gigas is weaker than Marduk.. same with AK and King.. hybrid characters just dont so well unless they break away from each other.. its made worst when the original start to adopt the moves of their hybrid counter part..
One thing that stopped me from dropping Armor King, is what JDCR said and also what Mainman said. JDCR said that Armor King is a honest character. Mainman said that if you win with Armor King, especially against a Leroy or lab characters, you truly are the better player. And because of that, I will always be loyal to Armor King.
At JDCR levels of play he is. At lower levels you can just scrub someone out with him. Dont play a character just so that people think you are"honest". You can play honest with ever character if you want, just as you can play cheesy with all characters(if it is actually effective is something else).
Olive God I do agree with that. Im nowhere near JDCR level but even at a Fujin, it’s been very difficult playing Armor King compared to other characters like my Jin, Kazuya, Drag, and even Negan. They have such great tools. But it’s still very rewarding winning with AK against Hworangs, Yoshis, Mishimas, etc.
@@Murkcity11207 I get what you mean. I played an AK last night and all i did was stepping, once he started doing the high homing I just ducked and after that i interrupted his slow mid homing for great ch damage. Everything he did to me was a risk, he basically had to just do df1 at some point because he just didnt have any other tools, poor guy.
Olive God at lower levels you can scrub anyone out with most characters, which you basically said but I still find it weird how you’d feel the need to point that out as that’s just common sense for most fighting games
Olive God i mained Mishimas for a bit before AK came out. So AK having a Mishima wave dash helps a lot with side stepping opponents. I barely if not never use his DF 1+2 as a neutral option because of how slow it is. Maybe only oki situations. My go to’s for side steppers are his F F 3 (the high homing move), wavedash FF+2, Wavedash Dark Upper, and his CD 1 which is his electric practically that catches side steps. That actually conditions my opponents to stop side stepping.
Funny thing is even though King was getting buffed ever since season 1 because of Popularity. Armor King is picked more at least on PC EU seems lukewarm as hell when it came to buffs.
No doubt about that, King is better than Armor King, but he's still really good and he has a complete different playstyle to offer compared to King. But like JDCR said, there are too many dumb shit in this game that make AK pale in comparison with other characters, and the devs always keep opening the wound making cuestionable decisions like the reiterated buffs King keeps getting each season for no reason, or the unnecesary buffs to already strong characters like Steve with his new RD, or Alisa with even more +frames to her retarded chainsaws and giving her a long range whiff punisher. Meanwhile, there are much worse characters and Namco leave them into oblivion. Now talking more into Armor King, despite the change of the game system, which really hurted him, he still can work, but is an obscenely demanding character and the reward feels unfair, that is why a lot of people just drop the character and they say he's trash. I feel like AK is a very misunderstood character and he has a lot of unique things that can be quite powerful. The character has tools that, if you master them, can be deadly: WAVE DASH and BUFFERING. The first one is your main option to build some pressure since you lack + frames on block, this is primordial to enhance his key moves, like df1, df4 (this one is insanely good if you perfected the cd cancel), d3, diverse throws, etc. Doing this, those moves which can be easily stepped now realigns with the opponent, not only that, this can camouflage those moves, and it can be pretty cheap if you wavedash wisely. And then, the second one is a very powerfull tool AK can exploid. Buffering in Tekken is when you can imput some move, before you are alowed to actually attack and it helps the move to come at the fastest possible frame easily, mainly used for throws. There are a lot of good moves where you can exploid the buffering. E.G: after a blocked running 3 or CD1 at the wall, 1 jab, d3, 2,1, df1, f3, f4, ffn2, b1+2, etc. But Armor King really needs buffs?, yes, he definitely needs some, knowing how hard he is to play at high level and the execution requiered he should be stronger. But nothing drastic, just some healthy changes: . ss2: the move should retrieve it's old knocks down property on normal, and/or maybe being a CH launcher, same combo as the b1 one. Therefore, you are prepare to use 3+4 in both situations. I was thinking about it being hit confirmable, but with the Tekken 7 wall carry it would be too busted. . d2: AK should have a safer and more imposing mid to mixup his highs, and what they can do is make this move +12 on crouched opponents, so you get guaranteed ws4 or crouch throws attemps. And in order to differentiate this from the other ones they should swap the effect on the oponnent behavior of the CH d2 to this crouched one and let the CH the same as the normal hit. . d3: increase the damage please, is ridiculous how a stomp that rip off your toe only does 11 damage, change it to 13 and we are talking now. . db1+2: the move should force crouch on block. . db2,3: this move should be a natural combo on normal hit and his main 14f standing punisher, with the new property they give to it, would be a really strong tool, right now it's almost unseen outside combos, because it just doesn't work. If it were to be natural, should be -15 on block. . ws1: make it recover faster on hit, so you are alowed to do bigger combos, right now uf4 does more damage and is faster, that doesn't make sense . ws3: just remove this useless garbage and replace it with a 13f ws punisher. . b1+2: change the frame advantage on normal hit from +5 to +8, so they can't backdash. . b1,2: allow you to go into Shadow Step after it connects, and let the second hit be delayable. . ffn2: allow you to do the blue sparks Dark Upper, same concept as CH ws2. . cd4 - become an armor move, change frames on block from -9 to -12 (it gain pushback tho).
Wow you have some great ideas here. In addition to some other really good buff suggestions in this comment section we technically have all the necessary buffs for AK to be a complete character. It would be fantastic if we could put all these suggestions in a single document or forum thread.
@@blazerker1640 Hopefully this video catches the attention of the developers, since Main Man's channel has a lot of impact on the community and finally they do some justice to the character in the next big balance patch.
I always say that Armor King suffers the Lee syndrome. They both require execution but the reward is mediocre so there is no point on picking up this two characters unless you love them.
@@SShaBazzz Sure and that is fair, but the higher you climb on the skill gap the more you start to realize that the char it's very flawd due to not hacing any real stringy points.
@@VerGiLL1 I agree with that sentiment. I think once you get to higher levels though, it starts to require dedication to your characters to overcome those weaknesses. For example, Bob doesnt have good launchers, so I evolved to using his pokes much more precisely. And learning his punishment game.
King and AK are different types of characters, with different strengths and gameplans. Comparing moves they share and then conclude that one character is stronger than the other just doesn`t feel right IMO. AK plays completely different than King does, because of his superior movement (mishima CD) and a EWGF at his disposal. Even if Kings moves are better on paper, AKs gameplan is just different than Kings, which isn't put into perspective. King might be stronger, but it's definitely not because of his superior versions of moves they share, but rather that his gameplay feels much more complete and complementing his character than AK´s one, which is right now just lacking some tools, to make him a viable choice on the roster. It's clear that AK has apparent weaknesses (no momentum building moves/good mids, and weak to sidestep), but all of them are design choices and define his character. So the big question is, is how to buff AK, without him loosing his identity as a character. As I see it, he is designed to be a very defensive character, with high damage output and low momentum, relying on extremely good precision movement. Every point of damage with AK is earned. He is very honest, because you give up your turn/go back to neutral after you dealt damage/punished your opponent, no luck involved. JDCR described this very good in one of his videos. With this in mind, the problem that i see with AK is, that, while his standing punishment excels, his WS punishment lacks nearly everything, which IMO just contradicts his design philosophy. WS4 is good, WS2 has no real use as a punish and WS3 is complete garbage. So for the range of 11-14 frames, you just have WS4, and a more technical option with crouch cancel f1+4 for 14f. He seriously needs a 13 frame WS punisher as make up for not gaining any momentum. A 13 frame punisher would put him alone on the competitive landscape again. IMO Armor King needs two things: 1. 13 frame WS punish, preferably a 13 frame launcher. WS 1 is worse than his hop kick, does less damage combowise (hop kick into cd1 is hard, but still) and is 1 frame slower. As it stands right now, WS1 is a completely useless move with bad range, so it would be a good choice for 13 frames (+damage reduced). The other option would be WS3 (right now his most useless move) 2. his old SS 2 knockdown This would keep his weaknesses, buff his strengths, therefore retaining his identity. Some moves could benefit from a damage buff like f2,1, d2, d3, d4 There are couple of moves, that are rather useless for his gameplan in their current state: df 1+2 is too slow, should be 1-2 frames faster and launch on counterhit, you just use df 2 or ff 2 right now for keeping ss and ducking characters in check f 1+2, one of the worst armor moves in the game, should be faster and give at least a ground throw mixup on hit more transitions into shadow step, right now shadow step is just a gimmick without much use, buffing the 2 option damage wise would be great too. For season 4, you could give him a second rage drive, that is mid, which works as a real 50/50 in rage out of crouch dash with his other RD. His blue spark dark upper as RD would be dope, but could be also too broken hahaha
Tbh, having a wavedash is useless if the options out of them are not scary at all. The good ones (cd1, cd2, chain throws) are all crouch-able, the mids(ff2, ff4, cd4) are linear as fuck or have the range of a chiwawa's dick
That being said I like you list of buffs, and I want to add something. AK before he can apply any kind of pressure, has to make his opponents scared and proned to make mistakes. He does that with his throw mixups and by making opponents lose their patience with his pokes. So, the throw mixups can remain the same, but his pokes need to be more damaging, because if not, the opponents will just disrespect everything AK throws out.
Lot of people forget that df1+2 is a laucher off axis, not terrible on a homing move. No real need for ch launch. But aside from that I agree with everything.
@@gilgameszh yeah, but im talking about how miguel basically has no while standing launcher since his "launcher" from while standing is so weak lol ur better off going with a hopkick
I lost count of them ws1 AK misses after blocking snake edges because of its stupid hitbox lol Also applying crazy cd2 > cd1 big boy combos i spent so much time practicing in 3-bar online matches is neigh impossible AK is super cool but he needs major buffs
Honestly I don't think it would be that hard.... little more range here and there... chop a couple frames from some mids... add a paul sized damage buff and your done. Leave King ahead in the oki and throw chain departments. Armor king does have to be better or even as good as king but FFS close the gap a little.
@@disruptor6550 King has: - Weak lows - Poor tracking on most of his non-homing moves, especially to his left - Few panic moves - Limited options for continually pressuring opponents at close range - A mediocre sidestep He's undoubtedly an extremely strong character in Tekken 7 Season 3, but he's not without very real weaknesses.
Honestly I don't think it would be that hard.... little more range here and there... chop a couple frames from some mids... add a paul sized damage buff and your done. Leave King ahead in the oki and throw chain departments. Armor king doesn't have to be better or even as good as king but FFS close the gap a little.
Yeah everybody know that King always was the stronger character but ak is cooler It's the same with dj and Kazuya Dj is stronger but kaz is cooler and more fun to play in my opinion
@@homiixide dvj is still stronger imo, hes just not as simple, his mids are harder to apply but they exist and his hellsweep is used more on the feet, which is more mind gamey- But devil jins offense seems to clearly outclass kazuyas do to poking and tracking when the devil jin player knows how to bulldog, but those are so rare of players that people have skewed opinions i think.
King have... like everything. Reverses, many grabs, middle grabs, low grabs, air grabs, many strong low hits, fast and strong long range moves and... five high damage moves that going through block. He is giant and also have two rage arts. The best Tekken character if you ask me.
Alsp people forget that king has normal air throws, while AK only SW. If opponent does a hopkick while you do a throw (like Tombstone) King will grab them, while AK don't, and he gets launched. Huge difference for a throw heavy character.
Nah, I would be fine if AK got an Just frame version of DU that it's mid but still unsafe, so at least that would make the move more usefull outside of whiiff punisher.
I would prefer a JF DU that was high and safe on block. That stops him being a mashima with better throws, but gives him a solid punishing, since if the DU makes people duck, conditioning a duck can play into effective strats
@@documentthedrama8279 But you can already do that just go for his throws. iSW, Giant Swing and tombstone out of wavedash will condition the opponent to duck a lot. A variant of DU being mid would prevent people from ducking therefor making his throw game more usefull and threatening.
5x is a stretch, here are some counter points. Armor King has DDT to switch sides at the wall. His GS also switches sides on break and he has a better wall attack than King.... Armor King has the very long reaching shoulder at i13, and b 12 take care of wake up 4 so it's range isnt the worst thing in the world. 13:25 Armor King has better pushback punishment due to b+3 + shoulder>f 21 22:09 alright now what the hell? Ff n 2 is literally unseeable, the only thing the enemy can react to is the ff motion that can be masked within a wave dash, something King can't just "do". And are we going to seriously downplay the difference between +1 and +7 as well as potential for a wall combo that you can get since AK gets a whole ass combo Instead of 55 dmg? Like wtf are you talking about lol? The logic behind Kings lows being better Is also bad. D/b 3 and f/c arm sweep are not competitive lows, and AK ff n 2, d+3, and d+4 are better than what King has.
I'll add some stuff too that came to mind. AK"s f2,1 is hit confirmable (def on CH not sure if same on NH) whereas Kings is not. AK's hopkick has a better vertical hitbox than King's and King's is liable to be mid crushed more often. Same with the b1. Even moves without high crush that have even a slight duck in the animation will unfortunately crush King's b1 AKs db3 is faster and has better crushing properties King's ffn1+2 is awesome for sure but tough to place and there's no range once you hit 1+2. And when you're trying to anticipate a CH you might try to guess your opponents forward momentum. But place it short and you're screwed. And in the neutral whereas AK has more problems with tracking to his R particularly, the generic df1 and a mid i12 in df4 as well as his d1,4 are vastly superior panic moves to stop opponents who party a little too hard. King really doesn't have much for those situations when he's getting pressured like crazy I love both characters but just some points to think about
Even if AK DDT switches sides King's throw is so much better since the full damage is higher and wallsplats so you can do more things, with AK you can't do anything guaranteed. AK's i13 is not that good because if you fail the punish you get launch and it knocks down too far. Also it only does 1 point more of damage so why would you use it? And with the lows they both have trash lows. Even tho king's ffn2 doesn't lead to a full combo in CH it is safer and faster so it's actually better because you can't get punished really hard if the oponnet blocks it (not the case with AK).
