I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian, but I have a deep love for the Holy Coptic Church and her ancient liturgy. I pray for all my Coptic brethren, and especially for the reunification of our two Orthodox Churches. May the Lord grant us this through the prayers of the Theotokos! And thank you for this wonderful explanation of the Divine Liturgy. It's very informative.
I am Eastern Orthodox too and am convinced any minute difference we have is merely semantic. Fr. Anthony Messah, a Coptic priest, also has some wonderful sermons you might be interested in listening to.
Sorry but if you’re Easter Orthodox, you can’t call the Coptic Church for Holy. According to Eastern Orthodoxy, the Orientals are heretical. That’s what your church teaches today and that’s what the greatest eastern church fathers have said through the millenniums
Not being a wise guy, but l would hope you would pray for everyone, not just other Christians. I know a really neat guy from Alexandria, and went to a number of liturgys. Really impressive. Maher was one of the best guys ever. Peace to all.
I was an atheist raised and grew up in a communist family background. On the journey of converting into Coptic orthodox. Thank you for explaination and God bless all brothers and sisters
Beautiful service. I am Catholic and can see some similarities. Thank you for sharing. God Bless and protect the suffering Coptic Christian Church and ALL Christians that are suffering so greatly in the Middle East and Everywhere.☦✝☦
@@jacquelynwhite500 Jacqueline Yes! I can see that it really is. God Bless You, Your Family and Loved One's, and May The Merciful and Loving God Protect You Your Family and Loved One's where ever You ALL are in this World.🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼➕➕➕
@@batsygee5986 The true form of Holy Mass. I would love the Latin Mass to become more popular, and in some places it has. I have never attended a full Latin Mass, bu t, when asking my aunt, she said it is truly beautiful so much love and respect and reverence. Her words! ' it was the runiation, and DISCORD that is now in the church, because of getting rid of The Latin Mass. She's absolutely right!
I truly did not want this lesson to end. Thank you so much for the explanation as to why you do each and every action during the Divine Liturgy. I am Orthodox and when I ask “why” or “ how come “, I can never get an answer. Thank you. May God grant you many many years.
I am attending a Coptic CHURCH this Sunday as I can no longer attend the Catholic Church, especially as Archbishop Roach has admitted the Novus Ordo Mass is the New Religion. The last 4 Popes have refused to take the Papal OATH. I am truly grateful to have seen this Holy Presentation tonight. Godbless you all.🙏💕🕯
Comprehensive and well-thought out presentation. Russian Orthodox here and I use this video to educate on the symbolism of the Lamb for liturgy. Thank you.
Absolutely amazing!!! Thank you so much for this educational video on the liturgy of the Holy Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria, my favourite church and people! God bless you!
It's owesome am really nourished spiritually and I really appreciate the Holly liturgy explanation through abuna, watching from East Africa, Kenya,kaluo parish
I pray daily for the Oriental and Eastern Orthodox to once more be One in Christ as Christ is One in the Father. I'm a Roman Catholic, and I am working my hardest to reform the Roman Church from the inside - I want to see the Filioque dropped from the Creed, leavened bread to be used for Eucharist, a married Roman priesthood, the doctrines of Papal primacy and supremacy, purgatory, indulgences, and Immaculate Conception all clarified and restated in a manner acceptable to the Orthodox. Then I want to see our Liturgy reformed to be more traditional. I believe if all the reforms I work toward and pray for were implemented, then the Orthodox would re enter full communion with us Roman Catholics. Pray for it, my brothers and sisters. And pray for me.
Nope. No leavened bread, not for the Roman Rite. We have always used unleavened bread, as our Lord did. The same way that unleavened bread meant Israel broke away from Egypt, our use of unleavened bread symbolizes a break from sin, and from the old covenant, being now the new covenant with our Lord Jesus Christ as our paschal lamb. I do believe restoring married priests could be helpful, but not right now, today is not the day for that.
Thank you and may God bless you always Abouna - you made a beautiful and easy to follow thorough explanation of the Holy Liturgy. Once again truly beautiful and extremely appreciated. This should be shared with the young children so that they have a full and complete understanding of the Liturgy. May God the Father, His Son and the Holy Spirit be with you always
Im Pentecostal and God will continue to draw us together honoring our Holy Triune God Father Son and Holy Spirit . May we continue to learn of each others traditions in Humility and love of Christ God Bless his one and Holy church 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Adoration Never forget to adore. That is the most beautiful form of prayer. It includes all others. If you adore, it implies that trust in Me and love for Me without which all supplication fails to achieve its object. It implies thanksgiving, because adoration is born of repeated thanksgiving. It also implies contrition. Who could adore Me with a Joy-filled adoration, and not be conscious of unworthiness and of My forgiveness and blessing? Adoration is Love-filled reverence.
Give thanks for this explanation, because so many follow without knowledge and "overstanding" This is necessary to deepen the Faith of the people. One Love. Amayn and Blessed
Thank you for your very good theological explanation. Greetings from a follower of Rome to our friends in Christ of Alexandria. My confirmation name I chose is Athanasios !
I am a recent convert to Eastern Orthodoxy and I have asked my priest as well as other priests online why Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy should be divided. No one can give a good explanation for that, and in fact everyone I talk to (clergy and laity both) thinks we should be reunited. But people say it has been too long. I can see that there are many details of the liturgy that are different, but we should be able to live with that. If we began (on both sides) to PRAY for reunification, God could bring it about.
iamannemek thank you🙏🏻 I’m learning about the Orthodoxy through the internet for some months now. I start to listen to some Orthodox and Coptic hymns ❤️ I’m from Indonesia, sorry for my English 😬
I’ve watched this video so many times now. Every time I see it. I feel so rejoiced . Thank you so much Abouna for posting such a beautiful video with so much detail and depth. May God bless you 🙏
In Catholic Church the Bread is made without yeast but in Orthodox with yeast. Schism made very big scars. To me we still one body in Christ. Let us Glorify Him.
what a beautiful service. ethiopian orthodox church should do this service in amharic also since this God people doing the service in English. now I understand everything what our church is praying to God
This is perhaps the most thought out, detailed, scientific, philisophical, and ritualized version of Christianity I've seen yet. Dang, you guys have got it into a spritual science I guess...
St. Jerome don't worry about it. the two witnesses from revelation will unite the churches into one holy and apostolic church after the wrath of the lamb. until then make peace in the body of christ, lest you be called foolish on judgement day "blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called sons of god" this will be my last statement about this.
I am Baptist and I’ve always been interested in the procedure of other denominations. We are all one in the Lord Jesus. God bless you my Orthodox brothers and sisters.
One of the best programs about what is done, why it is done, how it is done, where it is done and when it is done of ANY Catholic liturgy I have ever seen, and I see and read a lot. I am a lay religious Franciscan in an Independent Catholic denomination. I run a small online community, TodaysCatholics.com, which has over 2000 Catholics from over 400 Catholic denominations in almost all the Catholic families, including Coptic Catholics. Thank you for a great source of information. Maybe you could do one on the 7 orders, and the different vestment styles and what they signify? Take care, Brenda
Let's answer Dubble Dubble, as his comments show true intolerance, and no love in heart that is supposedly Christian. The Coptic Orthodox Church is the first (hierarchical) Church in the Middle East, and now the last Church in the Middle East. What is left in the other countries of the Middle East are vestiges of other churches, and unfortunately, are fading to zero. The Coptic Orthodox Patriarch maintains the only true and distinct lineage and succession from St. Mark the Apostle (the Founder of the Church in Egypt). Here are some thoughts to Dubble Dubble's terrible and incorrect remarks. The Coptic Orthodox Church--fully, absolutely, distinctly, deliberately--condemns Monophytism, Duophysitism, Eutychianism, and also Nestorianism. The Coptic Orthodox Church espouses the ONE UNITED NATURE pronounced by St. Cyril the Great, Pope of Alexandria, Presiding Bishop at the Third and Last Ecumenical Council of Ephesus, in which, you guessed it he deposed Nestorius, Patriarch of Constantinople as a heretic. Now if we accept that term, and St. Cyril is common as a Father and Doctor of the Church for the East and West, then anyone who goes against that definition is a heretic. Are you calling St. Cyril a heretic? The Coptic Orthodox Church espouses the ONE UNITED NATURE as Miaphysites--NOT Monophysites. As St. Cyril wrote that His Humanity was united to His Divinity mystically. 'After the Incarnation, one cannot speak of Two Christs but ONE CHRIST in ONE UNITED NATURE. There is no ambiguity in what St. Cyril wrote, but naturally the Greeks after they were made to look foolish and heretical at Ephesus, took up allegiance with the Romans to resurrect a heretical terminology and try to polish it so it seems Orthodox. 95% of what is handed down as Orthodox and Apostolic Christianity came from Egypt in the form of the Coptic Orthodox Church; not the Greek Church, not the Roman Church, and not any other Church, or the internet. Lets make a list of those achievements, because they did not come from: Athens, Rome, Constantinople, Moscow, New York, or the Internet: 1. Prophesy: 'Out of Egypt I have called my Son.' 2. Prophesy from the Old Testament: 'And there shall be an altar for the Lord in the Land of Egypt.' 3. Prophesy from the Old Testament: 'Blessed be my People Egypt.' 4. The Lord Jesus Christ, Himself, consecrated the first Christian Altar in Egypt, in His plight with the Holy Family from the wrath of Herod. 5. The writer of the First Gospel: St. Mark 6. Where was the Last Supper: At the House of St. Mark in Jerusalem 7. Who founded the Coptic Orthodox Church: St. Mark 8. Writer of the First Eucharistic Liturgy: St. Mark, why? Because he was the witness to the First Eucharist that was in his house. 9. First organized hierarchical church: Coptic Orthodox Church. 10. First to bear the title Pope: the Bishops of Alexandria in the 2nd Century. 11. First Catechetical School: the School of Alexandria 12. The Presiding Bishops at the Three and Only Ecumenical Councils: Coptics 13. Writer of the Nicene Creed: St. Athanasius at a tender 18 years old, and as a deacon 14. The strongest defender against Arianism at Nicea--St. Athanasius (I don't recall any Greeks or Byzantines who did) 15. As a side note: The Roman Bishops did not even attend the Three Ecumenical Councils. Guess what they relied on the Coptics to take care of matters. 16. Who defended against Nestorius?, you guessed it: St. Cyril the Great (a Coptic) 17. Who deposed Nestorius? Answer: St. Cyril the Great 18. The founder of Monasticism: St. Anthony the Great ( A Coptic), father to ALL Monastic orders in the world. 19. Compilers of the Bible, in both forms: the Septuagint and the Deuterocanonical--the Coptics. Lets look at the Greek/Byzantine presence in Egypt: 1. How did they come into Egypt? by armies and murder. 2. Funny: the greatest number of murder of Coptic Christians did not come at the hand of the pagans or the Muslims, but by the Byzantine Bishops. 3. Who delivered Alexandria to the Muslims, and with it the loss of the Library of Alexandria and most of the world's knowledge, Cyrus--the Byzantine Bishop. 4. How did the Byzantines maintain rule in Egypt? by armies. 5. Funny: how many families follow the Greek Patriarch in Alexandria--maybe 500 6. Funny: When the Ecumenical Patriarch came to Egypt to visit his partner earlier this year, they couldn't find 100 people to be in the church. 7. Funny: The Ecumenical Patriarch also only has 500 families under his jurisdiction. 8. Funny: The Greek Orthodox Patriarch does not use any Coptic, espouse any of the people of Egypt, does not respect any aspects of their culture, speaks Greek, uses Greek, and flies a Greek flag over his churches in Egypt. 9. He has 10 priests that rotate to churches because he does not want the Egyptian Government to realize that the churches are empty and they should be closed. I witnessed it myself in Shoubra when a greek priest came to a small church with a deacon and three people to make believe that there are services at the church near my aunt's house. 10. The churches that were taken from us over the centuries are being returned one by one, guess why? because the Greek Patriarch of Alexandria has no one following him. 11. Did I mention that the Greek Orthodox Patriarch in Alexandria could not exist if it were not from donations being funneled from North America and Greece. 12. Did I mention that the Ecumenical Patriarch could not exist in Constantinople if it were not from donations being funneled from North America and Greece. 13. Did I mention that the Moscow Patriarch ignores the Ecumenical Patriarch and refused to attend "the Pan-Orthodox" Meeting. Come on, Dubble Dubble, get real! The Greeks use terms like Monophysite to try to rally people against the Coptic Church, Why? because the Byzantines haven't done anything in 2000 years. Their only cause is for the return of the Byzantine Empire. They couldn't care less who Jesus Christ is. The Ecumenical Patriarch, when he enters a church, is received by Imperial chants since he is the keeper of the Empire until another emperor is crowned. Here's a Little SECRET: The BYZANTINE EMPIRE is NOT COMING BACK. The Coptic Orthodox Church has led by example, and motherhood, not by Imperialism. Protestantism did not come into being as a refutation of Orthodoxy but a refutation of Roman Imperialism and debauchery. Give it up dude. You are trying to make a cause for a bad situation. If you want to find a heretic, go look in a mirror. The Coptic Orthodox Church is growing around the world faster than any other Orthodox church. The fact that we have these videos is because we are trying to meet the needs of educating our people and nurturing their spiritualism. You will find something unique about Coptic Orthodox Churches in North America, Europe, Africa, and the Diaspora, that you won't find in Greek Churches: THEY ARE FILLED! Our people fast, they pray, and participate in the Liturgies. They are a proud people of their Christ! I will remind you: WE ARE THE LAST REMAINING CHURCH IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
I forgot to mention: The Greek Orthodox Patriarch in Alexandria is not even Egyptian, and doesn't live in Egypt except for some weeks in the year. So much for being a father to his flock. He doesn't have any monasteries in Egypt. And amazingly, they use pictures on his website of Coptic Orthodox Churches and monasteries to try to confuse and mislead that there is a thriving Greek Community in Egypt. Remember, and I'm being generous: NOT EVEN 500 FAMILIES UNDER HIS CARE.
The Syrian Orthodox Church still remains in the Middle East too. The Indian Orthodox Church (Malankra) came from the Syrian church. Which is why they also speak some Syriac during the liturgy.
The man who proved the incarnation of our lord Jesus The man of truth The man in top notch zenith Great and famous st Cyril of Alexandria We oriental orthodox Christians always keep the great personality of Coptic church Miaphysitism - non chalcedony 🤚 Syrian orthodox
--The priest is called here "Abuna", which means Father or Our Father (for affection and respect). if I am not mistaken. Please clear this up. Thank you !
Could I ask which Creed you use? In my church, we use the Nicene Creed. The one you use seemed to be slightly different. Wonderful and informative video. Thank you for posting.
It sounds like an alternative translation of the Nicene Creed, minus the Filioque added by the Roman Catholic Church. For example, "Pantokrator" simply means "all-powerful."
Hi! We use the Nicene Creed as well. May be translational differences, assuming no modification like the philoque. It can be found at suscopts.org/resources/interesting-facts/10/the-nicene-creed/
To all Catholics i humbly ask to pray for me, for i am the greatest seiner of Our Lady of Fatima, i am Portuguese. One of my joys with be if Our catholic churches withe be all united.
Carlos Afonso I will pray for you. We are ALL sinners great and small, but that is why Our Lord Jesus Christ died the Horrific death, to save each and everyone of us. HIS Mercy is in abundance and that is why we confess our sins to be whole again and be in His flock. God Bless. Our Lady of Fatima pray for us.
It is Jesus prayer as well. But I'm afraid there are too many, in all the various churches who are stubborn and proud. They say "MY way is the only way" and not 'let us treat one another as followers of Jesus, and where two or more are gathered in his name there will He be". Our common beliefs in the creeds should be enough. All else are variations in liturgy or church governance which are inessentials. If it is blessed by scripture and the undivided early councils, then only pride and exclusivity (which some believers psyche needs unfortunately so they can shout "one true church" to the exclusion of others) keep us apart.
It ended before communion! Do they file past the Priest and he hands them a piece? Do they have a cup they drink out of? Do they go back to their seats and sit? Is the litigury from the Priest formally over? Will there be more words of exhortation before everyone leaves?
The priest cut a small piece and put it in every one mouth. Then they go to another priest who holds the blood and gives it with a spoon. After that the person drinks a small amount of water and go back to their seat
Thank you for a very well and comprehensive explanation. A lot of similarity with the catholic Latin mass of old. Now I can see it where they got it from. It feels like an extension a more oriental version of catholicism.
سؤال مُركز حول مريم العذراء في الكتاب المقدس ؟! - جون يو 12 1- سؤال : حين زار المجوس الطفل المخلص " سجدوا له " ! ( متى 11:2) ولم يسجدوا لمريم ويوسف . السؤال : لماذا لم يسجدوا لمريم سجود احترام كأم الملك ؟! 2- سؤال : هل قال الكتاب المقدس صراحة بأن مريم هي : " ملكة السموات " ؟ أو " الكرمة الحقيقية " ؟ أو " سلم يعقوب " ؟ أو " عليقة موسى " ؟! أم هي صفات ورموز خاصة بالرب يسوع المسيح ، اطلقها الناس على مريم ؟! 3- سؤال : كتب بطرس الرسول رسالتين " بوحي الروح القدس " في العهد الجديد . السؤال : لماذا بطرس لم يذكر مريم فيها بسطر واحد ؟ ولا مجرد نطق اسمها لمرة واحدة ؟ اليس هو " البابا " الاول كما يقولون ؟! لماذا لم يختم رسائله بطلب شفاعتها ؟! 4- سؤال : كتب الرسول بولس 14 رسالة تحوي كامل التعليم المسيحي والحق الكتابي ، فلماذا لم يذكر ولا مرة واحدة اي عقيدة او ممارسة تعبدية لمريم العذراء .. ولا حتى ذكر اسمها بالتلميح ؟! 5- سؤال : لماذا اجاب الرب يسوع مريم : " مالي ولك يا امرأة " ؟ ( يوحنا 4:2) هل هذه اجابة من يستجيب لطلب أم يرفضه ولا يريد سماعه ؟! ولماذا لم يذكر الانجيل ان المسيح قام بالمعجزة استجابة لشفاعة مريم ، بل ذكر انه اظهر مجده وليس شفاعة بشر : " هذِهِ بِدَايَةُ الآيَاتِ فَعَلَهَا يَسُوعُ فِي قَانَا الْجَلِيلِ، وَأَظْهَرَ مَجْدَهُ، فَآمَنَ بِهِ تَلاَمِيذُهُ" ( يو 11:2) ؟ 6- سؤال : لماذا أصر الرب يسوع على مناداة مريم بلقب : " امرأة " (يو 4:2) ولم يناديها ولو لمرة بــ " أمي " ..؟! 7- سؤال : حينما طوبت امرأة البطن الذي حمل المسيح ( أي مريم ) لماذا أجاب الرب بهذه الاجابة : " أَمَّا هُوَ فَقَالَ: بَلْ طُوبَى لِلَّذِينَ يَسْمَعُونَ كَلاَمَ اللهِ وَيَحْفَظُونَهُ ".(لوقا 27:11و28) شاملاً مريم مع كل المؤمنين ، لماذا لم يجب : نعم احسنتِ فأمي هي الشفيعة وملكة السموات ووسيطة جميع النعم ...؟! 8- سؤال : هل أمرنا المسيح أو رسله في كل اسفار العهد الجديد بأن نتشفع ونطلب صلوات مريم ؟! الرجاء تحديد : اسـم السـفر : ( ....... ) ؟ والاصحاح : ( ....... ) ؟ ورقـم الاية : ( ....... ) ؟ 9- سؤال : هل ورد في الكتاب المقدس ترنيمة واحدة موجهة بحمد مريم أو تسابيح ومدائح بإسمها ؟! ما السبب ان كل ترنيمة وتسبيحة في الكتاب المقدس موجهة للرب الاله وحده ؟! 10- سؤال : الذكر الأخير لمريم ورد في مطلع سفر اعمال الرسل وكانت كواحدة من 120 تلميذاً مجتمعة تصلي معهم في العلية ( اعمال 14:1) ، فلماذا لم يذكر انهم كانوا يصلون اليها ويطلبون شفاعتها ، او خصصوا لها مكانة مختلفة عنهم ؟! 11 - سؤال : لماذا لم يعين الرب يسوع بعد قيامته ظهوراً خاصاً لمريم .. أو يخصها بتبشير التلاميذ او اعطاءها اي وصية ..؟! 12- سؤال : هل ورد في سفر رؤيا يوحنا اللاهوتي ، اي مشهد في السماء حوى من ضمنه اي تسبيح او تمجيد لمريم ، كسلطانة السموات او من لديها مكانة خاصة كالشفيعة المؤتمنة ؟!
Great video, but would've been nice to see how the blessed Eucharist is distributed, just to show the level of reverence showed by the Coptic Orthodox faithful. I LOVE how Abuna quoted Saint Paul about partaking in a unworthly manner is eating judgment upon himself. Unlike Catholic zombies who approach the Blessed Eucharist as if they're at a funeral. (And I am a Catholic)
Why do the men reciting the Creede say it so fast and jumbled as to be almost unintelligible. As a non orthodox wanting to learn and understand... Sorry I found that part a bit of a fail. Almost rhote with no thought just saying it to get through it.... Still watching though. Love the explanation of all the symbolism
may the church age return to the teachings of the apostles (available when: the center of Alexndre, Jerusalem, Greece, Antioch and Rome) ...There is no longer the term Western Church and the Church of Timor but one body in Jesus Christ.
I think Coptic should be used for Coptic prayers at least to preserve the language. This language is part of the legacy of ancient Egypt and I don’t want to stop being used
I get ya bro but for me I love the English because I'm not Coptic. I found the AGPEYA by accident really and that lead to finding the Canticles of Midnight Praise and now I am hooked🙏💯💪
I have a question for you Orthodox Church s. I believe in faith and a relationship with Jesus. I don't believe in doing good works like Catholic teach alot of. what do Orthodox Church believe in that?
It's quite unusual to hear Orthodox chanting in language that is not Serbian (or any Eastern European for that matter), Greek and others. Takes a bit of time get used to it.
I'm so confused 😕❓ is Jesus Christ the Lord or not... The son of God? A messiqh, I don't get any of this! Jesus Christ prayed right? So is he praying to himself?!?!
A typical response from someone named "Muhamed":). Of course you don't understand. Spare this channel your presence and stupidity and leave your comments you know where!
How dare you? This person could have been truly seeking and searching for real answers about Christ and the Holy Trinity and you belittled him, judged him, and insulted him and told him to leave? What Christ do you follow? @AdamMuhamed Please forgive us for our shortcomings. Not sure if there's a private message function on RU-vid but if you'd like to chat, just comment and we can figure out how to get in contact.
We believe Jesus was God and Man. His divinity did not part from his humanity for a moment or a twinkling of an eye. Therefore he endured all the human experience much like we do. As such he prayed to His father from whom he proceeded because Satan and all the earthly temptations were always conspiring against His humanity. Or at least this is how i understand it!
+Doro Grahl People today, especially in America, have dozens of options for childish places to go where they can have a childish faith, complete with church councils who act like children. I spent 40 years drinking milk, and watching people throw tantrums and break their toys every time I suggested we might try solid food once in a while. I'm quite happy getting solid food every week now, so please forgive me if I reject your advice to go back to suckling.
+fisharmor Hello my DEAR, I didnt mean childish faith.... I meant come- taste and see how GOOD GOD IS FOR YOURSLF... to come to ABBA FATHER.... in simpl and trust like a CHILD IN CHRIST JESUS by the HELP of the HOLY SPIRIT.... thats what I meant... iit has nothing to do with suckling milk or anything like that at all....
Faith like a child does not mean naivety and the bearings of bad faith. It means a strong faith in which God is your father. Remember that Christ said “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.” And he took the children in his arms, placed his hands on them and blessed them (Mark 10:13-16).
I'm not far into the video, but why are they mumbling like this? They seem bored and unimpressed :o Speaking so monotonously and you can barely understand what they are saying.. I would have kind of expected more..
I agree, they do look bored. Based on other videos I've watched, it sounds much better when sung in the native tongue of the liturgy; Maybe that's only because I don't understand it.
English doesn't hold the power of the Egyptian or Ethiopian,for example. languages for prayer. I'm english speaking. Our language is tainted and not sacred. GOD LISTENS TO THE HEART BUT SOUND HAS POWER.
Second Peter, 2:22 - But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. Proverbs, 26:11 - As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. 12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him. Revelation, 22:15 - For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. --- --- --- As you can see! This is how Jesus calls and see you, just like Peter or a very wise man Solomon. Please return from all this, because you stay far far away from reality and this pleasure costs you wary much !
Hi! Not sure what you mean, because the Copts are part of the Orthodox Church. But if you have questions, please feel free to reach out to us directly at orthodoxsermons@gmail.com, we'd be happy to help however we can. God Bless you!
@@moveinsilencegs5136 Heresy is a real thing - they are lies (small or big) that change how we see God or each other. Sometimes they are obvious like if Christ was God (which directly impacts if his death could save us), sometimes more subtle like if our works earn us anything. But I think the lie in this case involves trying to divide the church of God. As St. Paul instructed TImothy "... command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work-which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm." This kind of talk is not new to the church, it existed from the beginning through the work of the enemy of good. I think in our times we often pack our bags and leave our current situation too quickly, expecting the next to be better, while we should be lights where we are, or try to seek the light only Jesus can bring.
Well I agree that we should do our best where we are, and that we should come to learn what we believe. I’m orthodox, but my people say that yours aren’t. I defend your people. So I need to learn what I actually believe in.
Job is an Eastern Orthodox. The Coptic Orthodox Church is one of the Oriental Orthodox churches, which includes the Syriac, Armenian, Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox churches, who broke communion with the Eastern Orthodox/Catholic Church (which itself broke in half centuries later in 1054). We have therefore 4 groups of apostolic christians with strained relationships to one another; The 24 Catholic churches (the Roman church is just one jurisdiction) in communion with the bishop of Rome, the Eastern Orthodox Church (which is currently going through some complications of its own), the Oriental Orthodox Church, and the Assyrian Church of the East. The Assyrian Church was the very first church to split from mainstream Christianity, but in recent years they have entered dialogue with the Catholic church, and we currently have an imperfect communion with them, and it'll probably be completely regularized in our lifetime.
Deuteronomy 5:8-10 English Standard Version 8 “‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 9 You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing steadfast love to thousands[a] of those who love me and keep my commandments. Deuteronomy 4:28 English Standard Version 28 And there you will serve gods of wood and stone, the work of human hands, that neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. Psalm 115:4-8 English Standard Version 4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of human hands. 5 They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see. 6 They have ears, but do not hear; noses, but do not smell. 7 They have hands, but do not feel; feet, but do not walk; and they do not make a sound in their throat. 8 Those who make them become like them; so do all who trust in them.
