Extreme Demons Lack Identity 

Just wanna say that none of these things make a level inherently bad. It's the way they're often used that makes them uninteresting to me personally. Not every extreme demon is a "red dark portal spam" extreme. It's more of a top extreme problem.

True. I'd like to see more extreme demons with infamous specific parts. Like how Slaughterhouse is infamous because of River's part, Tartarus because of fixed hitbox straight flies or even Thinking Space because of a harder second half. We almost aren't getting any extreme demons with outstanding parts these days

I think the appeal of flow gameplay is that for most people its just one of the most fun gameplay types to play once you get consistent at it. Yes, it does make levels forgettable, but enjoying the level while beating it is also an important factor, not just remembering it after. I get that some people may find all the unnecessary portals messy, but the purpose of those is mostly to make it feel satisfying to play. Seeing your icon change to the music just makes the level more fun for some people. However, I do think that because it is so forgettable, it shouldnt be used in very important levels (Big megacollabs or top 10’s) At the end of the day it all comes down to personal preference, some people enjoy more synced flow gameplay levels that really encapsulate the music, and other people enjoy levels that are more about the game and level itself

I make exclusively 1.9 levels and I didn't even realize that I instinctively followed the format of gamemode-by-gamemode, maybe that's because it's what I found the most fun and engaging to decorate and play? I'm not really sure. But I can agree that the "flow" gameplay can often lead to bugs and weird nuance that shouldn't exist, which makes them annoying to learn and beat

Im gonna drop a fat disagree on this one. Ironically enough this feels very tunnel visioned, only really taking a look at the popular, and more difficult extreme demons, which yes, are lacking a lot of identity, and try to make up for that lack of identity by being super difficult. As you yourself said, you havent been keeping up with the modern creating scene, and it's very apparent with the examples you make in the video. Flow gameplay while a very popular style of gameplay, isnt nearly as abundant as youre making it seem, and the same goes for red hell themed levels. A lot of the lesser known extreme demons are some of the most creative levels the game has to offer, because there is no limitation to gimmicks and ideas in difficulty, meaning people can execute more intriguing ideas. You just have to look outside the top 20 on the demon list. Even just outside the top 20, you can find tons of super intriguing levels like lotus flower, directions, qoueo, and shardscapes, which all take an idea and pushes it far beyond what has been done in the past. This feels like a boomer take, for a lack of a better term, where you only see the surface of what is there, and draw conclusions based on very limited knowledge.

when the game mode switches every 2 seconds it doesn’t let any mode reach it’s potential

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I've also thought about how I never really cared for "flow gameplay" (gamemode "spam"). I never really thought that _hard_ about it, but watching this video does make me realize why I felt the way I did about it.

IN my personal opinion on flow, i think flow gameplay is actually pretty cool, when used wellll. Im not anywhere near good at the game so flow gameplay at my skill level (round ez demon) is actually pretty satisfying to pull off and as the name implies, flows well. its a combination of regular fast clicks and long holds that makes you feel like your playing something way harder than it actually is (compared to more standard gameplay which is more timing/control focused). I fully agree with the fact that portals should be used in conjuction for a song, but this applies to flow aswell. imagine a breakcore or dubstep drop. switching from only using a couple gamemodes, to some crazy flow in this case fits the song perfectly and highlights the unpredictability and chaos. In the example your using though, most of the extreme demons dont use cool songs like that and most are just house EDM, (no hate to house) and in that case the flow is used throughout the whole level, which makes it less impactful. also its hard impossible flow which kinda goes against what flow was meant to be, which is removing (most of) the timing and precision in turn for a more learny yet satisfying to pull off approach.

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The problem is much deeper than the style of gameplay the level uses. It's reductive, and makes for an ineffective and bad faith criticism. The issue lies more in the expression of the level, how it represents its song, how it is decorated, how the gameplay is constructed, and how that gameplay represents the song. Levels like Sedulous and Blast Furnace are held in such high regards for this exact reason, despite them being flow levels. They nail this expression, forming their identity through decoration centered around which part of the song the level is in. Older levels like Cataclysm, Ultrasonic, Bloodbath, and Windy Landscape do the same, even though their gameplay is fundamentally different. The levels themselves create their own atmosphere, not the style of gameplay they use.

I agree with a lot of this, though I think portal spam _can_ be a good thing, if used conservatively. It can be an excellent method of executing music representation if you use it to highlight a particularly chaotic or high-energy portion of the song, but if every click in the level is spent in a different gamemode, it takes away from the experience and fades the entire project into obscurity by blending it in with the rest. Another thing I've noticed is how often flow layouts get glow deco slapped on top, and it's always so draining and disappointing when this happens. Though they might have different styles of block design, the concepts always come off as stagnant and uniform. I feel like this is sort of a natural progression after the creating community was driven away from the 'generic' trends of old, but in that fear to be different, a generation of creators have been mass-produced in such a way that they all _believe_ they're doing something interesting, but are doing quite the exact opposite. This is also how we've been hit with a wave of 'experimental' levels, which seek the same end, but miss the mark since they all go about this in the exact same ways. Nothing these days, no matter the difficulty range, feels fresh, unless there's some feat of editor mastery by the best and brightest minds out there. My hope is that when 2.2 rolls around, it will toss the community and invoke a new era of creativity, not too dissimilar to early 2.0. That might come as a shock to some, given that this exact scenario is a common fear among creators and players alike, but I think we NEED to return to that state of mind in order to reset what's conventional, thereby forcefully injecting a diverse ecosystem of creation, and solving the identity crisis.

captured my feelings on flow gameplay and modern extremes perfectly

vernam correctly said gamemodes should change approximately with the same frequency and with enought time between each other. it fits so well

4:07 that one actually isn’t useless, it’s used to give a much higher jump arc because of the ball’s floatier physics.

Glad to be a part of the made a non hell list level gang

Flow gameplay is one of the best most fun gameplay styles in the game. I understand why it might look messy and not enjoyable to play, but it in fact is enjoyable to play and really satisfying to do. It also gives really good opportunities for music sync. The big problem is, the style itself is pretty "fragile", so any unbalanced clicks or bugs can completely ruin the gameplay.

i will say that as a player flow gameplay done right is a joy to play, and usually what makes flow bad is bugs (reverence) and broken sync.

I feel like the “useless” portals like jumping through a ball portal are just there to have a different arc of a jump. Like jumping through a ball portal as a cube gives you a higher jump

I.. I'm thankful for you pointing out the issue of portal spam. It's a very controversial thing to say but honestly, I don't like it at all. and i always had a huge distaste for it. If you dont know how to keep the same gamemode for a few seconds without making it boring, then that's a huge weakness, and to be honest you can't make up for it by just spamming portals. It's a very random thing for me to rant about, but i just never liked it if you like it, though, its perfectly valid and all power to you, none of what i said is objective

Been wanting someone to talk about this for ages thank you Jeyzor

unrelated but glad to see someone apriciating the sonny soundtrack david orrs work is great, fucking love sonny, glad to see another person who actually knows about sonny

even though im not a fan of flow gameplay myself, i had never thought about its impact on memorability of extreme demons. i guess thats why levels like congregation are my favorites on the list. i really hope 2.2 makes creators interested in all the new editor tools and abandon the idea of "making a hard level for the sake of making it hard" as a whole. im looking forward to it very good video, i sticked until the end

Awesome video I agree 100%. I have tried to avoid this trend in my extremes.

glad to be apart of the "made a non hell themed list extreme" gang

8:45 there are many many levels that look absolutely stunning puts dole damos by jeyzor

yep that explains a lot about why older levels are remembered today but newer levels are just forgetten as soon as they lose the spotlight

This is one of the best videos I have seen. As someone who both plays and creates a decent amount of extreme demons, I much prefer playing/creating levels that stick to 1 gamemode for like 10 seconds before switching to levels that change gamemodes every click, I agree with pretty much everything you said, awesome video :)

as an extreme grinder with ~67 extremes, flow is by FAR the most satisfying and fun gameplay styles. yes i don’t remember the parts of it but enjoyment is the most important factor when you have to spend multiple days on a level, otherwise it will get too boring to play over and over. this is a major issue with levels like Bloodbath and Yatagarasu. while they are memorable and unique from the rest, they are INCREDIBLY boring to play from 0, and considering you have to spend a few days on them, it becomes unbearable for people like myself to stick through them. overall, i agree levels are less memorable if they are flow-styled, however in my opinion memorability is one of the least important factors when it comes to extremes, since the main focus is the gameplay and how fun it is to play through. a level with a clear identity will very often be miserable and repetitive to play, whereas flow/fast paced gameplay are much more satisfying and replayable.

Although there's a lot of problems with top extremes nowadays, using Kyouki as an example is something I strongly disagree. It utilizes the flow style in one of the best ways possible, looks good, feels satisfying to play, is balanced enough (compared to other levels) and is also satisfying to watch. Complaining about a level like this while stuff like Sakupen Circles and Thinking Space exists is really petty imho.

Agree with a lot of your points tbh. Though it's worth noting that we only expect these standards from extremes and not from any other difficulty.

As a smaller layout creator, I find that I usually make parts how you described at the start: With few gamemode changes throughout. Of course, if the specific goal I have is to make gamemode changes everywhere, I would make it in a memory level, not a flow level. At the very least, I don't switch gamemodes until you click at least four times. The only exception I can think of is the ball or spider because it can make you jump higher going into it, but yeah that's really all I can think of why

I'm so glad more people are calling out this annoying and generic flow gameplay. I'm a big fan of straightforward levels, so I usually stick to 1.9. I almost never touch any extreme demon made with the 2.1 editor.

I find flow gameplay hard to build. Like I love picking a game mode and staying in it for 15 seconds, it’s more fun to build a part and more fun to play

I honestly really agree. I think that overall, the problem is that levels lack personality. The designs are uninspired and samey, and we just don’t see new unique things very often. The gameplay segments have very little personality and they don’t iterate on the possibilities of the game modes that they use, instead going for sync and difficulty. I (and everyone else) really just want more variety. I personally have a huge soft spot for red hell levels and I think flow gameplay is fine if it isn’t done often. I’d really love to see these things continue to be made and iterated upon, but not to this extent and not with this little change. Creators just need to put more personality into these levels, especially when they’re given such immediate popularity because top 1 demons are so beloved by the community. Creators can’t exclusively push the boundaries of difficulty, they really need to push the boundaries of all the other aspects of their level. That being said, I do know it’s MUCH easier said than done. I’m not the one making these levels, and I know that it’s really hard to just push the boundaries of just about anything. Obviously not everyone is gonna be a FunnyGame. But, I still can’t help but want more from our recent top 10 demons, and I really hope we see a shift in future demons to come, especially with 2.2 coming out around a month. (Or sometime within then. Hype!!!)

i have to disagree on flow gameplay being ‘unfun’ its actually really fun to play in my opinion, it just takes longer to learn than ‘normal gameplay’ also love the mention of the sulphur sea in the video, it’s so cool

God Jeyzor you did not say a single incorrect thing in this vid

The real issue is that almost all levels in the current game are megacollabs, because making a solo level can take upwards of a year. It's not a job, it's a game. Now I appreciate the good solo demons more than anything, but I don't blame creators for saying fuck it and just sticking to megacollabs, which are always going to be harder to turn into a cohesive project. Mindcap has definitely shown refreshing qualities as a host tho. As for flow gameplay, it's really the players that pushed this. Not the creators. Almost all extreme demons have playtesters who are actually skilled at the game and apparently the average playtester prefers flow gameplay over the classic gamemode-by-gamemode style that we used to see before 2.1.

THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THE FLOW PROBLEM. I am so tired of Blueskii and creators like him using good songs in shitty flow "layout".

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people focus too much on music sync and spam portals to try to make every sound in a song an input. but in reality translating music to click patterns that feel like they follow the music but actually dont is hard. this is why i like sonic wave because translating music to gameplay is the best thing about that level and it makes it so fun to play. another level that doesnt spam portals and does this is heartbeat. especialy that wave part lol. wish i could think of actually good levels as examples.

in my opinion flow gameplay can be really cool if used properly. i dont like it when the whole level is just flow gameplay, thats kind of stupid, but flow gameplay is perfect when you get to ONE really intense part of the song. rather than emphasizing the gamemodes, it emphasizes the clicks and weaves gamemodes together to make all the important clicks feel important. the flow gp intimidates you, which makes it all the more worth when you eventually learn and beat it, and flow gameplay in general is just really satisfying. it gives the opportunity to emphasize major clicks, and its just a really good payoff to the beginning. imagine going through gamemode by gamemode part by part until you reach the drop, and its this giant behemoth of gp that looks impossible to play, but once you learn it and you actually can do it it feels SO good. the only problem is that its learny, but i think that just somewhat adds to the charm of it, like some overwhelming monster that youll have to overcome the hard way. (4:06 also jumping into ball portals make you jump a lot higher so its not necessarily useless here, plus its satisfying too)

Props to this dude. This opinion seems controversial and still shared it. I see your point and can understand why something like these parts is bad for you. I can also find a lot of things that you mentioned annoying as well. So thanks for sharing your opinion :)

The Crossroads outro was so fucking genius lmao

the problem for me with extremes nowadays isn't the game mode changes or gameplay. it's the style and color design with flashing lights. take chromatic haze for example, i cannot beat the level even tho i want to because the level is just a blurry mess due to the colors and design used.

Here are the funniest parts of the video! 3:05 Forgettable 3:14 You forget the whole thing 4:00 Useless 4:03 Useless 4:06 Useless 4:12 Useless 7:35 Unnecessarily dark 8:23 Butterflies and blue ribbons 8:26 Vignette!

this is honestly a great video, i agree with a lot of it and it encapsulates my personal problems with modern extreme demons nowadays as well. i am sure i have the skill level for most extremes that aren't top 75, but most of them are just simply incohesive and AWFUL to learn because of the fact that a lot of them focus on just making frustrating extremely fast gameplay with gamemode changes every 3 seconds that make the level unbearable to learn. i think flow gameplay is fun in the sense that when you do learn it, it feels satisfying to pull off and is generally fun to play, but learning it is just simply ABYSMAL, so i tend to stick to older extremes which aren't this fast mess of switching gamemode every second. as well as your point that extremes are simply boring and generic nowadays, i agree as well. it feels like no passion is actually put into extremes nowadays, it feels like the decoration is just THERE so the level can be rated, and that's it. 99% of modern extremes begin with a fast, unreadable and awful to learn layout, which is then decorated soullessly by usually the same people JUST so it can be rated. (eg. CDMusic, GrenadesofTacos, CuLuC..) and of course, these people are great creators, i think the stuff they make is great, but it just feels like EVERY SINGLE level they have a part in is just that same modern glow style we see in so many extremes today. with the exception of limbo, it just feels like there haven't been any unique extremes as of recent, and it sucks. overall, you did a great job with this video! good stuff jeyzor

From experience with Acu, which may not be the GREATEST source, but bear with me: your claims about flow gameplay being terrible to play are, well, half true. Yes, it's arguably much harder to learn and practice, but actually doing flow gameplay feels so, so satisfying. While 1 gamemode per part levels are much easier to practice (generally), they also rarely feel as satisfying to do as some good old flow. This is a generalization however, some 1-gamemode parts look sick as hell, like the cold sweat wave or the duelo maestro asymmetrical dual parts. And Acu does a great job at staying memorable too by using unique designs for each part. While not all extremes take the same decoration choices as Acu, the general flow gameplay helps both make levels harder and more satisfying to play. Though I do agree, at a glance at any of these levels without any practice or understanding of the level itself does make the level look unplayable lol

one of the level's that i've created and loved so much, is actually a level that has small amount of portal usage with a big purpose. I've been in this gameplay community for quite a while, i've always hated the flowy and synced gameplay pushed to the extreme. Now days, i make less levels, but better in quality of the gameplay, my best gameplay is frost atom, i encourage alot of people to go play, not just to advertise me, but to actually see by your own eyes, how using the least amount of portal can help make your level be clear to understand.

As someone who grinds out easier extreme demons I feel like the main reason extremes don't feel as impactful as in previous times is just over saturation. There are dozens upon dozens of creative, interesting extremes coming out recently that if they had come out near the start of the update would be remembered forever. However, there are just so many of these extremes now that it's hard for people to notice these levels, no matter the quality. In addition, most of these extremes are on the easier side of the difficulty, and do not benefit from the demon list.

People now are just chasing difficulty rather than originality , like for exemple if you take slaughterhouse , kocmoc , arcturus , and tidal wave beside the deco in terms of gameplay they all look the same , just very hard wave/miniwave for the most part of the level

To be honest, this is so true, levels have no theme, and most of them look like generic glow levels, making them forgettable.

not to diss on ur vid or anything, but i disagree with the majority of the points you made. the first point made in the vid was about flow gp being chaotic and boring. i love flow gp and some of the hardest levels ive beaten are flow levels because learning levels is the best part of trying to beat a level imo. i think the appeal to flow gp is that you have to learn the gp and you dont know whats going when you just watch a replay. if the level is buggy thats an entirely different story. another point made is the oversaturation of hell levels. while i do agree that hell levels have been done to death, some hell levels are still appealing. hell is really a style, but more of a theme a level can follow where some levels do it right and others just make it boring. one of the biggest points you made is about showing the art, not hiding the art. one problem i have is that you never ask the question "why?" you say that its invalid for a level to obstruct vision to be intimidating, but i think intimidation is a valid reason to obstruct vision. the lack of visibility could be something the level is trying to convey. all of these points should be pointed towards passion projects rather than normal creators. some creators just want to make an extreme for the hell of it with no standard of quality in mind. i think these criticisms are valid for big projects that mean a lot to the creator. ive never seen generic levels as a problem because at the end of the day its the creators decision to do whatever they want. im not saying that there should be no criticism, i just dont think the criticism in the video is always applicable. if the criticism forces the creator to change a big part of their level, i dont think its usually valid as its going against what the creator wants to show. glow levels may be boring, but telling the creator to change the style to a modern level doesnt make sense because that clearly isnt the goal of the creator. i think criticism should go towards the goal of the creator, not what the playerbase wants. most of the video was just you bashing levels for not appealing to you, but in the end, many of these levels are appealing to a bunch of people.

Im so glad someone finally said something about this. also there's some good creating tips that i would like to think more about. (gamemode spam being a major one to keep in mind)

Rad video!

You see, my levels LIVE on certain sections. In Samsara (my top 1 submission) for example, while the level is a hell themed level, it has VERY distinct sections. like the Silent Clubstep like straightly at 21% or the DNA (Do Not Attempt) at 85%

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i slightly disagree, i personally love fast paced fast changing gp, however you are right, to make a level stand out there should be at least 1 unique part, like Cataclysm or Bloodbath does

While watching this I thought of a recent solo extreme I've beaten - Empyrean by Kivvvi and I think it's a great example of a "flowy" level that doesn't feel shit to play, neither boring to play or watch. The beginning parts are rather slow, changes gameplay sparingly, but still fitting the song. Then when the drop build up comes up, everything starts moving slowly, the ground starts shaking more and more and the gameplay speeds up. When the drop hits, it becomes a flow level you'd expect, with many visuals representing the songs current upbeat, everything is really fast, shaky, but yet every gamemode change felt like it was neccessary and super satisfying to pull off. When the drop calms down and the song slows down, everything else does as well, and every gamemode is used for a bit longer, then making it entire parts of a particular gamemode or two. Also the ending is really climactic and its intensity really peaks well. When typing all of that and thinking about other levels critically, stuff I've beaten like Delirium Tremens and Leyak felt really same and lacked uniqueness because of similarities. Another good example would be Prismatic Haze and Taurine - if I'd be newbie GD player I'd confuse these levels as the same level same difficulty. In conclusion - current state of extremes is that they're lackluster, and are somewhat boring to see, with exceptions like Empyrean mentioned before.

since there is so much at your advantage in the editor people make these massively decorated levels and they are kind of the same, to be honest. I can't tell which is which between 50 of the same decorated extreme demon levels. i get what your saying

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One of my favorite extremes is called Stand in the Snow and it has a completely unique feel and there is no portal spam. I was immediately hooked just by the fact it was interesting. Trying something new is always better than just redoing the same old formula.

hashtag return to monke For real though, I agree with all the points in your video. Overused and overdecorated building styles, senseless portal spam/click-sync, level-blinding deco, and unoriginal gameplay usage (among other nuances) just make most levels I see nowadays unapologetically boring. The current demonlist is unrecognizable to me versus where it was 1, 2, 3, even 5 years ago. There's a mountain of "top 1" layouts on RU-vid that just look so unappetizing to me, and I'm recommended them all the time - the saturation and proliferation of "top 1s" that use some of the most popular/intimidating songs and gameplay concepts disgusts me to no end, there's no purpose to them if they can be churned out en-masse weekly like this. I've enjoyed making hard levels in the past - hell, I just completed my first impossible level project - but after 7 years of playing GD, I've gone from making garbage to trying to make "appealing layouts", going back to the drawing board and restricting myself to a 1.6 object-set, and only now am I beginning to make full levels and concept layouts that I can truly consider myself proud of. Learning from my long GD career, I now aim to make my projects as memorable and passionate as I possibly can, even if it would mean sacrificing difficulty. Through this lens, I can also recognize when a level I see is going to be absolute shit or not. Never again will I make a level that's made just to be a level, because that's a waste of my time and everyone else's, too. It seems as though the average GD creator never stops to think whether or not their levels will actually mean something and leave a long-term impact on others. I can't imagine being a creator point grinder; or being some S-tier creator on some team working on some project for two years, only to produce a corporatized, generic level that nobody will remember a month after release; or some lifelong creator-in-a-subcommunity dedicated to one specific creative facet within GD. You'd have to be soulless and completely devoid of passion to think these are worth your or anyone's time. Wasting your time and energy like this will make you become stale, devoid of innovation and true respect. Why has GD devolved into players encouraging each other to forego their passion and originality in the pursuit of community-wide fame, or for being at the top of a list somewhere? Why can't people go back to playing this game for fun? As an artistic medium, Geometry Dash should be about expressing and improving your creative ideas and abilities, and constantly finding new ways to achieve this. For as many terrible levels and creators as there are nowadays, there are a handful of creators that infrequently upload but have always produced projects that follow this philosophy: Zylenox, Samifying, KrmaL, rafer, Pocke, Mindcap, AuraXalaiv, and you too Jeyzor! You all give me hope that there are still people in the GD community who play this game for fun and as a genuine artistic outlet and celebrate it as such. I just wish more people stopped being children about chasing infamy and instead doubled down and made something worthwhile like you all. I can also relate this to similar problems in other creative spaces like RU-vid/TikTok, developing addictions, and having a lack of purpose in life, but I'll leave you to mull over that yourself. If you've gotten to this point, thank you for reading my ramblings. Normally, I don't like to leave long messages or respond to "GD community is bad" videos, but I felt like I had to leave my input here today. I hope your day is going well.

8:47 didnt expected to appear on a jeyzor video like this xd, great video btw

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I actually like putting these things in my levels! (If you check out my level Cameron) After 63 percent, It becomes fast paced and there are lots of game modes and invisible jumps! HOWEVER! It doesn’t switch too much in every other part and the level is not a demon, It is only a 6 star worthy level!

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Levels that rely on long single-mode Gameplay parts are what I enjoy, flow Gameplay just just isn't fun to learn, it's like a memory level but not really. Levels with flow Gameplay rely on your memory, you have to learn the entire level and know every Gameplay change. Back in 1.9 levels with long Gameplay parts relied on your skill of those gamemodes.

I agree flow gameplay is so bad and so boring. It does make me feel better than I am when I can breeze through it, but it's usually garbage to learn and annoying to grind. Feels like playing some sorta sudo memory level. Also Heliopolis is the coolest level ever I'm so excited for it to be verified!

4:06 i wouldnt call the ball portal useless at all. jumping into a ball portal gives you a huge boost and you go flying, which makes for some sic kand really satisfying transitions at drop parts.

i kind of disagree with the complaint about dark deco, I feel like dark deco can add a lot of atmosphere. I feel like it only becomes a problem if it obscures the gameplay and makes it unfair.

On the topic of flow gameplay, I don't think it's an issue. I don't think levels should have iconic parts, because they're iconic for being much harder than the rest of the level (River in Slh, Michi in Bloodbath, Terron in HyperSonic etc...) which makes them awful to play, a level should strive to have good and balanced gameplay rather than to be memorable imo (the fact that it has good gameplay may be the factor in making it memorable too, like Acu and Retention), and flow gameplay is, to a lot of people, really good gameplay once learnt, it's incredibly fun and satisfying to play through if done right, Scarlet Smog by ToastLord for example took me about 80~ attempts to learn yet I fluked it from 44% after a bit over 10 attempts, because it's incredibly consistent and I had a blast playing it, while other medium demons can take me up to 300 attempts (not saying flow gp is the only consistent type of gp, but if done right it surely is the most consistent imo) Anyway, about hell levels, well diversity is at an all-time high for top extremes right now, with Tidal Wave, Every End, Heliopolis, SilentLocked and more being verified at the moment, as well as levels like Codependence, Limbo or Edge of Destiny having been placed this past year, I think this point is pretty outdated (and yes I know Grief and APT are coming out pretty soon too) Sorry for the essay I love expressing my opinions :) (Side note: at 4:00 the portal is necessary because the cube jumps higher than the ball when hitting a purple orb, if the cube portal was removed it would make the timing awfully hard or straight up impossible Same for 4:07, jumping into a ball portal as the cube makes you jump higher and fall slower, it's a pretty cool thing to add for click-sync imo)

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indeed, Acheron is DEFINETLY a red hell themed level

Honestly, I disagree a bit with the flow gameplay part, I personally like very dynamic levels, but I got your point on the portal spam. However, I do agree when you talk about red hell-themed levels, they are so saturated nowadays that, if you make an extreme demon that's not red, it's already outstanding. That's why I like top 1s like Zodiac and Tidal Wave

This is such a ridiculous conversation

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New extreme demons feel like extended challenges rather than levels

6:05 bro used the artist of the minecraft disc that you find in strongholds (didnt even notice it was jeyzor whos making this video. subscribed immediately, love your content keep it up!)

Yuko has made many unique Extremes with interesting aspects, yet they never get rated and only the red boring extreme demons get rated bc ahh so scary

ok but have you ever tried making flow gameplay just for the fun of it? it's really fun to build

wow the same points people have been repeating for like 6 years alongside the generic cherrypicking levels that fit what youre describing while ignoring that there are hundreds of extremes, most of which probably cant fit into "red dark generic portal spam". I cant take this video seriously when you even say in the beginning that you barely play other difficulties, at this point its not an extreme demon problem its a problem of wanting to complain about them so you are more likely to notice ones that follow the thing you dont like

FINALLY! I'm not the only one who doesn't like flow gameplay (I hate the addition of Scarlet Smog in the GDDP)

bro... I didn't recognize bloodbath in the intro cuz it was tilted... 💀

Flow gameplay is usually really fun, and I dont think it is a bad thing that gamemodes change a lot, levels like acu, niwa or kyouki are all flow, and are really fun

This is more of a complaint on modern flow gameplay and not extremes. I’ve seen this problem often with easy - insane demons on youtube as well.

As much as i would disagree with your opinion about flow gameplay, I have to say that some of the points you made are great. You have to remember that a lot of people do these collabs for the sole purpose of attention, so the identity (or lack thereof) shouldn't be a surprise. I'm glad that you bring this problem up though! ^^

thank you Jeyzor, i needed this :)

wait wait WAIT THIS VIDEO IS EXACTLY WHAT IVE BEEN THINKING FOR MONTHS

6:00 I think dark red because of the extreme demon face

You brought up a really not talked about topic and made it a good point. It's good to hear that these levels are slowly dying out too. (It'll happen trust me!!) Can you heart and I'll sub ;)

Is the ROR2 soundtrack copyright free? I didn't know if it was allowed to be used in videos as background music

banger vid, I absolutely despise modern flow gameplay. Like you can use modern blocks and not have flow gameplay. Ex: limbo has very cool gameplay without using flow gameplay.

I would like to the old days to Return. I remember when a lot of levels was original at the time, the Ice Carbon Series, the Element series, the Simg Factorial series, the Hazard Sector levels by ZenthicAlpha, Supreme Lab levels by Rub Buck, the GW levels, the Core series, the Alphabet series, Future Demoness and A Bizarre Phantasam was amazing and original at the time. Is so sad that the old days are gone totally, when you did levels for Fun and will get stars, now you need to add glow and effect excess and use more than 80000 objects to get rate. Even with the GDPS, is Hard to get rate with a style of the update time, do I really need to overload 1.6 and 1.9 levels? I want to make different levels, with cartoon, Factory and Classic 1.6 to 1.9 style with newer Effects, inspired by 2003Devin, Zylenox, MaJaCkO, Noobas, Rob Buck, Megadere, Roadbose, Nautilus2k, Jeysor, Tunar, DaddePro, FunnyGame, Hinds and other ones that I don't remember right now, for me, those are some of the Best creators in the game.

Good video. I. Hate. Rapid. Gamemode. Changes.

gg jeyzor

I don't play Geometry Dash but I love that you used Risk of Rain 2 music

i disagree with the flow gameplay part but agree with everything else

I swear to god if i see hell themed platformer levels...