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Extreme Fuel Economy And The Classic Car 

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A look at the mythical hyper-miler carburetors and the conspiracies surrounding them, engines that run on vapors, and Smokey's adiabatic hot vapor concept that may still revolutionize the internal combustion engine. When is a turbocharger not a turbocharger
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@edbeck8925
@edbeck8925 2 года назад
Some guy has a RU-vid video how he made a V8 get 45 mpg using a lawn mower carb. I don't think he was being totally honest in the video. He was driving the car, but it didn't seem to have any power/acceleration. Like Tony said the carb is just the metering device. Although from the comments a lot of people believed it.
@peralispayne
@peralispayne 2 года назад
he faked it
@edbeck8925
@edbeck8925 2 года назад
@@peralispayne you saw that too? What do you think he did ?
@peralispayne
@peralispayne 2 года назад
@@edbeck8925 video editing. if he can make his own app he can edit a video, 1. with 30+yrs working on car/building hotrod I know better (not enough air can pass through something the size of a nickel to sustain idle in a 5.0L. lawnmowers are maybe 0.1/0.2L) 2. Changing the timing will not fix a fuel/air issue.
@peralispayne
@peralispayne 2 года назад
oh and its 5.0L 500/700 time per minute
@edbeck8925
@edbeck8925 2 года назад
Yeah, I couldn't believe that so many people in the comments believed it and wanted one. It's kind of like a teeter trotter. If you have 100 pounds on one side, 10 pounds on the other side isn't going to do much
@captmack007
@captmack007 2 года назад
He knows how to make a 100mpg carb, he just cannot tell us because he knows that they'll disappear him. So he makes this video. Smart man.
@edlawrence5724
@edlawrence5724 2 года назад
To get maximum efficiency from any engine optimum fuel to air mixture with completely vaporized and burned fuel are necessary, I modified a 440 mopar in a motorhome that was getting 5mpg on gasoline to propane. I increased the compression to 12:1, stainless valves, special cam and maxed out the timing, not only did it increase the hp but now I do 8+ mpg, cleaner exhaust and less than half the price of gas here in Canada.
@gregsteele9002
@gregsteele9002 2 года назад
My great-uncle used a 1953 carburetor that was sitting in his office for ten years ( a customer wanted it rebuilt but never picked it back up), installed it in a 1980s Plymouth Reliant K-car, tested numerous times at FIFTY-FOUR MPG. (At 60 mph highway speeds) and almost 50 mpg on back roads. It was pretty gutless, but still!
@Dirt-Diggler
@Dirt-Diggler 2 года назад
Yes it was guttless because it was running lean and because it was running lean it went further per gallon of gas 👍
@funfun5656
@funfun5656 21 час назад
@@Dirt-Diggler It's not as simple as leaning it out to the max. There's a balancing equation between power to weight and AFR. While most tuning is trying to squeeze power out per liter of air displaced economy tuning is trying to squeeze out power per liter of fuel.
@creativerecycling
@creativerecycling Год назад
So, I was enthralled with this idea back in the 70’s. I had a Chevy Malibu with a 194-6. I acquired a Rochester 1-bbl from a stationary engine. I had accumulated a stash of main jets and started leaning it out a bit at a time. The short story is that it couldn’t get out of its own way… and… I burned 4 exhaust valves. All with no improvement in mpg. To make power, you need to burn fuel!
@jamesscholz8338
@jamesscholz8338 2 года назад
I had a 100 mpg carburetor. It was on a 50cc four speed moped(like what they drive in India). Topped out at 43 mph. It was so much fun
@adityadharni5027
@adityadharni5027 2 года назад
Love those things lol
@STho205
@STho205 2 года назад
That's about the end of mpg in a cold carb. I have a CB250 (234cc) that consistently gets 90MPG US or 110MPimpG....that's running up and down mountains averaging 45 to 50mph. A little less for cruising at 65mph. Bike maxes out at 78mph on a 18hp bike weighing 300lbs + rider with a windscreen (which helps). Honda analog motors are extremely efficient. If a wind tunnel tested long nose cone fairing was added....it might get 100mpg US at 50mph steady on level terrain. So no automobile is likely to ever get more than 60mpg on the gasoline engine alone, unless someone invents frictionless paint and puts a 2 cyl 600cc motor in it.
@kgabris3387
@kgabris3387 2 года назад
Restricting air is the only way to restrict fuel while maintaining air/fuel ratio. Nascar has used restrictor plates for some tracks and surely fuel economy would increase. Free flowing heads and exhaust is always key to making horsepower. Has anyone ever tried a restrictor plate that was adjustable? Ridiculously small but can open up like a second set of butterflies under the carb. My old friend would always use the acronym 'kiss' 🍻
@boomergroomer6565
@boomergroomer6565 2 года назад
Check out ThunderHead garage on RU-vid. He has run a 302 using a actual lawnmower carb, getting crazy mileage
@theodorgiosan2570
@theodorgiosan2570 Год назад
I have some experience with Lohmann engines on bicycles, these are an old 17cc engine made in Germany that functions on a 2 stroke HCCI (homogeneous charge compression ignition) cycle. This is somewhere between a diesel and a gas engine. The cylinder head is set up so that the top of the combustion chamber moves up and down to vary the compression ratio, controlled by one of two hand throttles. The other throttle controls the air/fuel mixer which is somewhat like a carburetor with a slide valve and a jet. Riding a bike with one of these is a bit complicated, you have to find the right balance of compression and mixture to get it to run, otherwise it won't make much power, or it will smoke a ton. They run on kerosene with 2 stroke oil best, they top out at about 12-13,000 RPM and 20-25 miles per hour, and they can easily squeeze out 200-250 miles per gallon of kerosene if operated correctly. Since is compression ignition, by adjusting compression and mixture you are basically just changing the timing at which the mixture will ignite. The goal with one of these is to get it to run at the highest compression with the widest open throttle position, since the mixture on these is not constant across throttle position. This results in the leanest mixture with the highest compression and so the most efficient setting. Very cool engines but getting very hard to find , my friend has a couple he brought back from Germany. They do come up on German eBay sometimes but they are $1000+ now.
@hughbarton5743
@hughbarton5743 2 года назад
The description of a carb as "a mechanical computer" makes the whole system's operation blindingly clear! I always appreciate your knowledge and ability to educate, but this video might just be the best one yet. Thanks, Uncle Tony.
@nickv1008
@nickv1008 2 года назад
I think they ment ANALOG computer, and they are coming back. They allow for immediate adjustment for a multitude of variables.
@nickv1008
@nickv1008 2 года назад
@@montyrayza7220 lotta crap for no content!
@CK-mf6du
@CK-mf6du 2 года назад
To an extent, yes. The perfectly setup thermostatic choke is capable of doing close to what an efi engine can. Within a certain temperature range, usually stated in factory manuals. Carbs were set lean, and the chokes allowed to stay closed, kind of like how a vacuum secondary works on a holley carb. Opens with enough airflow. Mind you most aftermarket or performance setups are not like this, they open up within a minute or so and stay open regardless of temperature.
@alfonsomorales4251
@alfonsomorales4251 2 года назад
Why are carburators coming back.??
@nickv1008
@nickv1008 2 года назад
@@alfonsomorales4251 actually they never left. Carbs are on mowers, generators, lots of small engines. Many other fuel burning things, such as heaters use a "carburetor" to mix fuel and air. Same as airplane wing.
@blumobean
@blumobean 5 месяцев назад
I am 76 years old, and these tales have been around most of my life. People said tires should last 100,000 miles, and engines 1,000,000 miles. I simply asked how long would they last wrapped around a rim.
@johngilmour8945
@johngilmour8945 2 года назад
I have been in love with the automobile for 84 years, And I have learned so much more just from experiencing your programs, Thank You So Much! John from Toronto Canada!
@bobganshaw364
@bobganshaw364 2 года назад
Tony you've done it, taken a subject I couldn't care less about and made in interesting. This is a good one.
@carminemurphy4836
@carminemurphy4836 2 года назад
Pure click bait B.S. he said nothing of any significant value on how to build a 100 mpg carburator or engine, that horse poop has been around since I was a toddler, ads in the back of Popular Mechanics Magazines, with a request for money, for them to send you the sacred secrets of a (non working) gadget.
@immrnoidall
@immrnoidall 2 года назад
@@carminemurphy4836 From the makers of fake turbo whistles that clip onto your tail pipe.
@sumduma55
@sumduma55 2 года назад
@@carminemurphy4836 you must not have heard what he said very well. The thing of value he said is that the idea of a carburetor producing fuel economy like 100 mph is bunk because it doesn't control fuel economy of the engine rather it controls the delivery of fuel the engine demands. This was near the start. He then talked about fuel delivery processes that were different but not practical. But bottom line was the same as you already know. It's all nonsense.
@mikekokomomike
@mikekokomomike 2 года назад
The story was the guy that invented the 100 mpg carburetor for his 70 Coupe DeVille was either bought off or rubbed out by the evil petroleum industry. Anyone remember cow magnets for your fuel line to increase mileage? Don't forget about the spacer you could mount under the carburetor with swirl inducing projections, or a simple piece of screen wire across the bore.
@tarstarkusz
@tarstarkusz 2 года назад
I always heard the story as big oil buying the patents and burying them.. Of course, this denies even oil reality, which is that oil producers would LOVE for cars to get 10x the mileage they get today. It's all relative. They can sell 1 gallon for 10 dollars taking you a hundred miles, or 2.50 a gallon for 4 gallons (the same 10 dollars) to take you 100 miles. But in the first scenario, their oil lasts a lot longer and they have to drill fewer wells and they have to have fewer refineries etc... Also, "big oil" is a bit of a misnomer. Most oil producers are state owned oil companies. Outside of a few Western countries, virtually all oil produced in the world is produced by state owned oil companies. It's more big government than big oil.
@smarternu
@smarternu 2 года назад
They use the same stupid story on youtube ads to sell everything from swap coolers to vitamins.
@slicksnewonenow
@slicksnewonenow 2 года назад
@mike kokomo mike... Looks like the Clinton's have been busy longer than anyone thinks they have 😉
@thomaswaldorf9141
@thomaswaldorf9141 2 года назад
I saw that exact system in los chavez NM at a air port in the 70.' I was in my teens. The way it was explained to me was it was not a carb system. It was a like fuel injection. The fuel was put under extreme pressure then metered into the intake. It was just 1 off setup. It was very dangerous to say the lest.
@cjbert6790
@cjbert6790 2 года назад
Yeah, what about the air twirling thing you put in the air cleaner? It’s all bs. Lol
@1984xlx
@1984xlx 2 года назад
Thanks for the description of Smokey's engine, I remember reading about it years ago and wondered how he did it. If I recall right, he used a Buick V-6 and disabled three cylinders. He had two turbo's on it, and was getting something like 60mpg. The article didn't go into detail how the system worked or why the need for the turbos.
@leensteed7861
@leensteed7861 2 года назад
Turbos would atomize the fuel passing through the blades spinning at 100,000 rpm and also heat the mix
@What_do_say_think
@What_do_say_think 2 года назад
I read an article about a guy that designed a carb for a V8 that got 57 mpg. he was a retired GM engineer and I guess they had a court ase against him because he designed it while working for GM. Long story short, they won.
@chuckthebull
@chuckthebull 2 года назад
This was very informative.. just the notion that the engine wants what it wants is a good concept to get across..With my sunbeam i changed the gear ratios by installing a Toyota five speed trans to replace the 4 speed that had really high revs and i changed out the rear to a higher ratio as well..i went from factory (when new) of 27mpg to up to 35 and even 40 on highway. engine runs at 3k at 75mph now and much more comfortable highway speeds.
@exploranator
@exploranator 2 года назад
"just the notion that the engine wants what it wants is a good concept to get across" The diesel, for example, has no throttling on its airflow, only the fuel flow. There is a very wide ratio spread at which diesel will happily burn.
@james10739
@james10739 2 года назад
If mpg changed that much the engine was working way harder than it needed to
@michaelszczys8316
@michaelszczys8316 2 года назад
Gearing up to run slower only works just so good. It works well on a tiny car as there isn't as much weight to push around. Back in 1970s and 80s we found that putting a bit LOWER gear in the rear of our big chevies and running a nice high revving motor would get better mileage if set up right. Plus be pretty quick too. The 55 mph speed limit was introduced at a time when most cars were still big sleds with high gears to go 70 mph on the freeway, then kept at 55 or less they were probably using MORE fuel than normal. Like trying to ride a ten - speed bicycle in 9 and 10th gear all the time.
@paladain55
@paladain55 2 года назад
You should go lower. I put taller tires on my 96 civic and swapped to the CX trans and went from 40mpg to 55mpg+ around 50-60mph lol. You had to down shift more often but that really is extreme fuel economy. Most gasoline engines have peak efficiency around 2000 RPM depending on piston speed and about 90-92% throttle. *should add the car was geared for 2100 rpm at 70mph.
@mromatic17
@mromatic17 2 года назад
is it the tiger or the alpine?
@ex-engineer6657
@ex-engineer6657 2 года назад
Good Lord, the Smokey vapor motor is stirring the memories. I have forgotten so many things, this was nice.
@westho7314
@westho7314 2 года назад
There was a carb produced decades ago called the Fish or Brownie carb . 1 barrel, 2 or 3 moving parts used on 4-8 cylinder engines. gutless sipper but did give 40-50 mpg if you were not a heavy footed or in a hurry.
@Retread268
@Retread268 2 года назад
One of my favorite channels. Always a depth of knowledge, never just infotainment, I always learn about how something works and why rather just than blind faith (I could probably crack a book open too, but what would be the fun in that). There is a young blood on another channel just trying to run a car on a lawnmower carburetor. It's working surprisingly well. He is just doing to see if it works and will be checking mileage soon. Much like going from a 4 barrel to a single barrel carburetor. I have to find the link. My point being he is like an Uncle Tony proteget. Brilliant work as always Tony.
@ksolo1960
@ksolo1960 2 года назад
Hey Uncle Tony! I've got a 70 Roadrunner 440 6pk, looks like brand new, I always park in the econo spot in parking lots! No one has ever said a word! But I drive it only 500 to 1000 mi a year, very economical at 7 mpg! Lol!! Peace🤙🤙
@ch3no2killz
@ch3no2killz 2 года назад
Actually in the beginning the "Otto Cycle " engine was intended to run on vapor, gasoline came along and gave them an ez way to supply fuel. But bottom line is you have to turn any liquid fuel into a vapor before it can burn, that's why your propane fed IC engines have a coolant heated vaporizer to flash the liquid LP to vapor or you would just have a hunk of ice shortly because LP boils at -44 deg. f. Not an issue with gasoline.
@jeremiahfiek5495
@jeremiahfiek5495 Год назад
Fully vaporized gas burns at like 5ms, which is way to fast to vehicles built after around 1950 because they made a big change to 1 component across all automobiles that increased power, but fortunately for them, it made it where people cant run vaporized gas because it will cause MAJOR spark knock and burnt intake valves. Sneaky bastards
@JimNapaCA
@JimNapaCA 2 года назад
Great video! I had a 1976 chev 3/4ton with a 454. I changed the jets and metering rods. And with no loss of power went from 16mpg to 22mpg!
@collinstiernagle3553
@collinstiernagle3553 2 года назад
I love this series. I hope you keep doing more. I find that maximizing efficiency excites my ADHD.
@mattbauckman9907
@mattbauckman9907 2 года назад
More mpg is in your foot. Driving habits and knowing your engines power producing characteristics etc. My big block Chevy pickup gets the best mpg of any of my vehicles including my wife’s 4 cyl Hyundai. The reason is the raw torque it makes at a low rpm and barely any throttle. I can drive around all day at 1/8 throttle or less, never going over 2000rpm and it just sips the fuel. It seems like it will coast forever as well on flat open road.
@deanstraathof2721
@deanstraathof2721 2 года назад
This
@lordphullautosear
@lordphullautosear 2 года назад
On carbureted engines a good way to get real, better fuel economy is to make a vapor injection setup. This is technology that came from piston-engine aircraft in WW2. It uses water, or water/alcohol mix in winter. I made one for a '76 Elite with a 400M engine. Could actually get almost 24 MPG highway, without a heavy foot, and cruising at 70 - 75 MPH.
@EffequalsMA
@EffequalsMA 2 года назад
@@suzukiltz8902 German MW50 was designed to help get around the low octane fuel the Germans had in WW2. It does a number of things. It is a charge cooler, yes but, it's also fuel itself that has high octane rating. So you can maintain performance at high altitudes with added boost pressure. German Bf109s were running 87 octane fuel a lot throughout the war and with MW 50, they could still match P51s and Spitfires using 150 octane, that allowed for way more boost pressure and make more power. The drawbacks of MW 50 use was drastically reduced engine life due to low combustion chamber temps, washout of the cylinders and degrading of fuel system components but, at that point in the war, the Luftwaffe would probably lose the aircraft and possibly the pilot before they wore out the engine.
@zackkohler511
@zackkohler511 2 года назад
diy vapor injection system ... or... replace carburetor with Pinsker EFI VV system or Predator 9000 vv carberuretor with street idle circuit!
@2lotusman851
@2lotusman851 2 года назад
@@EffequalsMA The German engines were quite a bit larger, and could match the smaller Allied engines on the 87 octane fuel. The mechanics didn't like the 150 octane fuel as it lead fouled the spark plugs.
@SuperErikRoss
@SuperErikRoss 2 года назад
i believe the Grrmans used a 50/50 mix of water and methanol
@axipixel5811
@axipixel5811 2 года назад
You can run methanol injection on blue windshield washer fluid. It's basically the right mix of methanol and water and you can find it anywhere.
@jamessouthworth1699
@jamessouthworth1699 2 года назад
I'm loving this direction because I've been thinking about this. I love my Mopars but I also love my Chevys. I also think a lot of go-fast tricks can work in the fuel economy World too, especially with cars already have a lot of aftermarket support. I imagine doing the feather Duster treatment to a 67 Camaro with a 230 inline 6. Put a lightweight fiberglass front end on it, some 14x4 lightweight Centerline Convo Pro Wheels, spoiler that works, and some tuning tricks to see what you get.
@jefforyehmann9111
@jefforyehmann9111 10 месяцев назад
I have a 68 383 4sp H/T Roadrunner with 10/11 mpg ! I now get 16 + mpg after headers-750 carb to 650 ,RV cam w/323 rear. single plane to duo plane intake manifold. Looking for 20+ mpg ? It still run's good.
@RedneckHillbilly-ho9md
@RedneckHillbilly-ho9md 2 года назад
Uncle Tony be careful man you know what they did to that guy.
@buckeyejim2989
@buckeyejim2989 2 года назад
Does it involve aman screaming you poisoned me😁
@campervanbug7658
@campervanbug7658 2 года назад
They Did him like they did Tesla 😬
@mikep60
@mikep60 2 года назад
Yea be careful. Remember Seth rich shot himself in the head. 3 times. 🤔
@mustangandfrankenstein
@mustangandfrankenstein Год назад
yeah tell him man . becareful very careful. gasoline controls everything . everything...help me withy my dodge caravan..worst mileage ever .o6.. 10 mpg..terrible runs great except that .horrible
@FAF_ENT
@FAF_ENT Год назад
Tom Ogle
@bobfangio4713
@bobfangio4713 2 года назад
In racing there was no one else that could bend, stretch, exploit, as well as occasionally break the rules like Smokey Yunick. He was the Leonardo Da Vinci of cheating, an absolute genius.(also one hell of an entertaining character) I remember reading about a test of a car with Smokey's adiabatic engine, the first thing they noticed was how many squeaks and rattles it had along with a noisy exhaust leak which seemed to be trying to cover a ton of knock, but the thing did run.
@jeremiahfiek5495
@jeremiahfiek5495 Год назад
Vehicles after 1950 have a different component that makes it impossible to run straight vaporized fuel without spark knocking all to hell and burning intake valve
@josephfleeman
@josephfleeman 2 года назад
I had a 75 Buick Estate station wagon. 455. It had the Rochester quadrajet with an altitude compensator. I closed off the back barrels adjusted the compensator. I got 25 mpg, no door in the tail pipe.
@donjohnston4215
@donjohnston4215 Месяц назад
So glad Tony covered this. I’m Same age as Tony and come from a very similar background as far as working on cars and racing. It drives me nuts when I hear somebody talking about these urban legends of the car. They got 70 miles miles per gallon back in 1971. I still hear somebody talk about it at least every other week.
@bestmultifunctional
@bestmultifunctional 2 года назад
I used to have a 1966 stock Mustang with a 289 4 barrel 4speed and 2.75 rear end. The stock carburator gave me 36 miles per gallon on the highway at 75 miles per hour. This was a 600 miles trip and I had to refuel only once and come home with a 1/2 tank.
@gulfy09
@gulfy09 2 года назад
And nowadays small engines can't come close to that old technology it doesn't make sense
@RetroCaptain
@RetroCaptain 4 месяца назад
​@@gulfy09The fuel in 1966 is basically what is used only by Airplanes now. Today's petrol is seriously light compared to back then (so more is required).
@mrniceguystylehigh
@mrniceguystylehigh 3 месяца назад
That car also only weighed about 2,500 lbs vs cars now routinely running close to 4000 in the same compact/economy platforms like the original mustang was based on.
@archlab007
@archlab007 3 месяца назад
I'd like to see the data on that Sol can improve my 1 970 Mustang w/ 302 2bbl & A/T.
@RetroCaptain
@RetroCaptain 3 месяца назад
@@archlab007 That's much too different from "multifunctionals" '66. Different fuel Different and higher compression engine Huge difference in gearing Heavier body. Yours will be much like a 2000s SUV in average fuel consumption. The big secret is -highway driving, where you are on a windless flat or downgrade crack and pothole free asphalt and not having to slow down or stop. Most people in cities are forced to ride the brakes all day which gobbles fuel like a drunkard. You can get your driveline zeroed in (eliminate chassis drag and have the body going dead straight) Drivetrain in perfect condition (transmission serviced the bands re set and pressure tested) the engine valving in spec, and whatever else, timing etc. Then go on a long trip. That's the best milage you will experience. At least it's a better chance than a 1973 74 those were really awful years. Bogged down with extra junk that robbed milage and performance
@relectric69
@relectric69 2 года назад
Smokey was a genius. Really enjoyed reading about his hot vapor engine back in the day. Would make a good power generator for a hybrid vehicle nowadays.
@member57
@member57 2 года назад
Volatile fuel vapors give a new meaning to backfire.. This engine would need to be 100 feet from anything flammable. Smokey was a genius, but this was an insane concept made reality.
@ryanstuckey8677
@ryanstuckey8677 2 года назад
@@member57 it also worked flawlessly
@member57
@member57 2 года назад
@@ryanstuckey8677 If call catching on fire flawless... 😂
@lilmike2710
@lilmike2710 2 года назад
@@ryanstuckey8677 Yea, no.. no, it did not work "flawlessly". There were major flaws. Tony just explained a couple for you. And if they worked "flawlessly" there'd be a hundred thousand on the roads and highways. It idled "flawlessly". That's about it.
@hooptierescue2540
@hooptierescue2540 2 года назад
@@lilmike2710 that's wrong. The reason why there's not a hundred thousand out on the roadways today is because Smokey kept a critical piece of what made it work secret because he couldn't get any of the big automotive manufacturers to give him a decent offer (including a sufficient guarantee that they wouldn't just get the rights to it and then bury it rather than putting it into full production). There's a very few of us out here who figured it out but we aren't talking, essentially for the same reason.
@NanoverseProductions
@NanoverseProductions 2 года назад
I just bought an 85 Camaro Berlinetta V8 305. My dream car since I was a kid. Not really a car guy but I love my car so much I am eager to understand as much as I can about it. Thanks for explaining everything in a way that's easy to understand.
@pancudowny
@pancudowny 2 года назад
I've felt that a 2-stage injection system (One takes-over for the other as key operating temperatures are reached) on the hot-vapor engine was the way to go for some time. And with the current generation of onboard engine management computers, I'll bet they could easily handle the needs seamlessly.
@walthageman1758
@walthageman1758 2 года назад
In 1980 I added a very simple water injection system system to a 1973 Gran Torino wagon. With no other changes it went from 10 to 13 mpg and ran stronger. No dyno test, just feel.
@user-ff5ge7hx2c
@user-ff5ge7hx2c 3 месяца назад
Just imagination
@royferntorp3575
@royferntorp3575 2 года назад
Those Motorcraft 2 BBL's on the 351C gave great economy with good power. I put a 650 DP Holley on it and it emptied the tank in 50 miles.
@Ahnenerbe1944
@Ahnenerbe1944 2 года назад
My original unrebuilt 1966 289 with a 2100 autolite gets about 19 miles per gallon driving around town. Everyone says they’re “hard to get tuned right” but I think they’re one of the most basic carburetors ever made. They just work (at least pre-emissions examples, I don’t know anything about the 2150’s)
@marcoceccarelli6415
@marcoceccarelli6415 2 года назад
Those two Barrel carburetors were the best I ever seen
@derek621
@derek621 2 года назад
on my fresh rebuild with a comp cam street cam my 351c is getting 23mpg city and 27 highway. if i drive like an asshole i can get it down to under 16 though. its all about driving style
@royferntorp3575
@royferntorp3575 2 года назад
@@Ahnenerbe1944 I found you just have to clean them. Especially pilot jets.
@royferntorp3575
@royferntorp3575 2 года назад
@@marcoceccarelli6415 It was on a Fairlane. The torque was amazing with the 2-Barrel. And I still had the iron manifold!
@mystupiddogmianelson
@mystupiddogmianelson Год назад
Charles Nelson Pogue of Canada. 200 mpg vapor carburetor. Don Garlits has the test carburetor and it achieved 198 miles per gallon on a flathead V8 Ford 1936.
@fernandolouismiramontes2520
@fernandolouismiramontes2520 2 года назад
I love your shop Tony, thanks for all the great knowledge you share for us car enthuisiasts
@creativerecycling
@creativerecycling 2 года назад
As a teenager, I was kept with a constant flow of Popular Science magazines from my engineer uncle. I always read with keen interest the series “Say Smokey”. I remember the articles about the adiabatic engine that he was trying to accomplish. I believe he was teamed up with General Motors of the time, but I can’t say that for sure. Even as a teenager I saw challenges with the project. The biggest challenge that I saw was the manufacture and use of carbide pistons to handle the extreme heat. I knew the material was difficult to work with and also that it would change the reciprocating mass in the engine enormously. I never knew what became of the project. Nothing ever showed up in mainstream media, or as a product to buy.
@sombra6153
@sombra6153 5 месяцев назад
I remember that.
@RetroCaptain
@RetroCaptain 4 месяца назад
Carbide pistons would be extremely expensive unless I am mistaken but last forever.
@mikerobinson3672
@mikerobinson3672 2 года назад
In the early 70s my father had a really nice really Fast Hurst Olds. The car was undrivable in the winter, so he always bought a beater in the fall fixed it up and drove it the winter and flip it in spring. He had all the classic economy cars you could think of. He said it was not far fetched to get 20-25 MPG out of a small body, V8, two barrel carb, bare option car. The best winter beater he had was A Valiant 273 two barrel, automatic car. He said it averaged 20 MPG City Highway. And would get 28 on the highway.
@charlesvan13
@charlesvan13 2 года назад
I have a Ford Explorer 2000 model, 5.0 fuel injection, and it only gets 17 mpg at best on the highway. But it's more like 15 mpg usual. It's still better than my dad's Ford truck with a 7.5 liter which gets 9 mpg.
@richtomlinson7090
@richtomlinson7090 2 года назад
I had an 82 Buick Lesabre with the Oldsmobile 307 V8 with a factory 4 barrel and the overdrive automatic, I got 23 mpg on the Taconic parkway from Albany NY to NYC. That car didn't have more than 150 hp and none of the cars from the mid 70s into the mid 80s had much power, but I was so surprised for that heavy comfortable car to get that mpg. In stop and go it would suck though.
@mikerobinson3672
@mikerobinson3672 2 года назад
@@richtomlinson7090 had to take a trip to Iowa from Wisconsin last Oct. I drove my pickup which is a 15-17 mpg vehicle. Once I got it onto flat ground in Iowa, Wisconsin is pretty hilly, It turned into a 20mpg vehicle. Its amazing what a difference in terrain does.
@richtomlinson7090
@richtomlinson7090 2 года назад
@@mikerobinson3672 or sometimes to have the wind at our back helps too.
@kermitefrog64
@kermitefrog64 2 года назад
This is a great video. I have have a 1964 Ford f250 and have gone with a Pertronix Igniter and replaced the points. I had to change the 410 ratio differential and replaced it with a 373 differential and have a 4 speed on the floor rather than a 3 on the tree. I replaced the 2 bbl with a 4 bbl Holley. These changes have increased the mpg.
@DonaldSanetrik-cl3lt
@DonaldSanetrik-cl3lt 4 месяца назад
I had a 1979 f150 with 2.75 differential, overdrive 4 speed, and the 300ci with a one barrel carb. It got 23 mpg on the highway in 3rd 1:1. Wouldn't get out of it's own way and overdrive bogged out at 75mph.
@NormanSilv
@NormanSilv 3 месяца назад
In 1951 a mechanic from Burbank did some modifictions to a 4 barrel Holly carb and added a Water Injection system. Engine ran cooler, mileage doubled and Standard Oil bought him out.
@oldsrktracer
@oldsrktracer 2 года назад
If you watch the documentary gashole it talks indepth about the carb vaporizer. I believe the first successful run was a straight 8 Packard and it was in Texas I Wanna say. I believe shell bought the patent and it disappears from their library.
@tabbott429
@tabbott429 2 года назад
exactly. it seems strange that oil companies love to buy the advanced technology and put it on the shelf so they can keep robbing people at the pump.
@richtomlinson7090
@richtomlinson7090 2 года назад
Patents are public knowledge and if you want to keep something secret, don't patent it. Anyone can try these techniques today with zero threat of lawsuits or other legal action to stop production of these so called miracle carbs.
@joebloe9901
@joebloe9901 2 года назад
I believe it’s called the Pogue carburetor
@scottcarr3264
@scottcarr3264 2 года назад
Disappeared, Yeah...right.
@danw6014
@danw6014 2 года назад
@@tabbott429 it may be their undoing the way things are headed.
@patricklynch1962
@patricklynch1962 2 года назад
I wish my dad could have lived long enough to have seen this video as he would have been completely fascinated by it. He was always trying to squeeze more fuel economy out of his drive to work Mopars back in the 70's. I don't remember the exact details, but one exception to those cars was a Gremlin with a straight six and a manual transmission and he was always experimenting on it.
@williamb2854
@williamb2854 2 года назад
My best friend..sadly passed away too early, with a brain tumor. Back in the 70s he was always talking about designing a carbed..gas engine that would be injected with water. He never...sadly never wrote down his plans. Back then..I thought he was nuts...not so crazy now !! To this day..I am so sorry I never took him seriously.
@patricklynch1962
@patricklynch1962 2 года назад
@@williamb2854 Water injection was one of the things my dad tried on the Gremlin but he eventually removed it. What he had to work with was just too primitive. I wish I'd paid more attention to the actual set up back then.
@tylerbonser7686
@tylerbonser7686 2 года назад
Injecting water won't increase mileage in itself but it does allow you to run higher compression and higher compression is more efficient.
@arthurgay5746
@arthurgay5746 5 месяцев назад
A choke is more fuel efficient than injection on a cold start because the choke doesn't add more fuel, it just restricts the air. With injection, the air flow stays the same, the coolant sensor tells the computer to open the injectors to give it more fuel. A bad sensor can lie to the computer, telling it that it's still cold when the engine has been running for hours. The computer has no eyes. It can only go by the info from the coolant sensor and deliver the fuel for a cold start all the time.
@nodrug2
@nodrug2 2 года назад
First time watching this channel, I like the down to earthiness of it and explanation from experience. I like how it was mentioned that with todays advancements in technology the Smokey engine is now possible. I will be looking out for more videos.
@dirtyburd71
@dirtyburd71 2 года назад
I think Smokey described the "turbo charger" as a one way valve that overcame the pressurized intake charge. Neat idea.
@jam46psu
@jam46psu 2 года назад
Smokey's engine worked by lowering the amount of air going into the engine. Want to increase the HP on an engine? Turbo charge and intercool the air. This increases the amount of air going into the engine. Heating it up decreases the intake change. It will cut down HP and increase fuel miy.
@sirjhonson8218
@sirjhonson8218 2 года назад
Turbo is the way to go if you want to make power . No bottles to fill all the time and you can turn the boost up or down .
@tarstarkusz
@tarstarkusz 2 года назад
It always seemed to me that the versatility of car engines is a major factor in how inefficient they are. Like if they could design an engine around a specific output and RPM, it could be more efficient than an engine that needs to operate under many, many different conditions and loads. So like the engine could turn on when your battery got low and run for a while at it's fully optimized output to charge the battery that powers an electric drive train. Of course, if it worked, they'd probably already be doing it.
@vbvapat
@vbvapat 2 года назад
@@tarstarkusz I think this is in the not too distant future for range on mass produced electric vehicles if other technology can't keep up. Check out the Jaguar C-X75 concept that came out a decade ago if you are not familiar with it. It used diesel turbines as generators for the electric drive train. I think most manufactures will go to an electric drive train that can basically be swapped around all their platforms with ease and the mid-size or larger vehicles will have a small gas/diesel generator on board.
@MrTheHillfolk
@MrTheHillfolk 2 года назад
@@tarstarkusz that's why we only got cats and feedback bullshit on new generators after 2012. Steady speed definitely changes the pollution game.
@eddiehuff7366
@eddiehuff7366 2 года назад
Forgive me for a double post but.... there was a story about a 70's Chrysler Imperial in White pine Tennessee that got stupid gas mileage. Chrysler supposedly contacted the owner and told him they let a 'defective' carburetor get put on his car and they needed to swap it out. He never did let them...or so the story goes.
@MrTheHillfolk
@MrTheHillfolk 2 года назад
@My Pronoun is WTF 7s is fast. My buddy knew a guy who's brothers cousin's nephew had a 63 GTO with one of those 460 hemi tri powers. Couldn't keep a differential in it so before it was finished on the assembly line, so they bought a Ford Galaxy and took the 9" out of it and put it in that GTO. Scrapped that galaxy too. Damn thing only ran 9s ,that's why I'm wondering how your hemi went 7s that's awesome.
@gulfy09
@gulfy09 2 года назад
@My Pronoun is WTF story goes it was for fbi or special government workers to have these cars
@countryjoe3551
@countryjoe3551 2 года назад
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@gulfy09
@gulfy09 2 года назад
@My Pronoun is WTF gas is a liquid they would simply convert it to a gas state like propane ..carbs are not efficient.
@fatboysgarage7984
@fatboysgarage7984 2 года назад
My first car was a 74 Corvette with a mild cam, long tube Hookers, and a 750 CRM Holley. I've never really been a speed demon so I got decent mileage out of it. In town, I was averaging 17 to 18 and on the highway, I was averaging 20 to 21 MPG. I didn't mind that it wasn't the most high powered car, but I loved the reliability and the fact it was decent on fuel economy was a major plus.
@stantilton2191
@stantilton2191 5 месяцев назад
Excellent descriptions of the carburation systems and the ins and outs. Covered some things I was unfamiliar with and refreshed some others. Thank you.
@JC-hl6lh
@JC-hl6lh 2 года назад
It's refreshing to see someone that knows what they're talking about. This is the first of your videos I've seen. The title caught my interest, I was like lets see what kind of bs this person has to say. To my surprise you're spot on about carburetion and carburetors. As to what you were describing about Smokey's idea, it's all about fuel atomization. The fuel molecules will only ignite when surrounded by air/oxygen at a ratio of approximately 14:1. Therefore if fuel molecules are clumped together(droplets), only the ones that has access to the air/oxygen molecules(outer layer of droplet) will ignite. So the inner molecules will not ignite till the outer ones are burned away. This slows the combustion process, and combustion pressure will be lowered as the combustion chamber volume increases because of the piston moving away and farther down it's bore. The key to efficient combustion is to burn as much of the fuel as quickly as possible so that combustion pressure is as high as possible while the piston is still close to TDC to take advantage of the combustion expansion pressure to exert the maximum amount of pressure on the piston therefore increasing force(torque) on the crankshaft.
@rekitrudy9474
@rekitrudy9474 2 года назад
Same! My first time watch this guy, and he lays down the knowledge.
@seamusgray7609
@seamusgray7609 2 года назад
Maybe mix in a little HHO to increase the speed and efficiency of the combustion?
@barrybubb9971
@barrybubb9971 Год назад
OK, so how do we 'seperate' the molecules to make them burn better???
@user-ff5ge7hx2c
@user-ff5ge7hx2c 3 месяца назад
Thank you, your so correct, I've heard this nonsense about carbs 50 yrs ago. The other thing that comes into play is BTUs, wind resistance, and much more
@sydrider6023
@sydrider6023 2 года назад
The problem has always been the vaporization of the liquid fuel before the spark plug ignite the mixture in SI engines. The intake manifold has a lot to do in that process on carbureted engines. The carb is responsible for the atomization of the liquid fuel in fine droplets. The manifold plenum & runners do the vaporization job. Some intake manifold designs are better at doing this job then other design. This subject is rarely discussed imo. Natural gas running engines do not suffer from this issue and are more efficient at using the calorific energy available in the combustive agent.
@mromatic17
@mromatic17 2 года назад
yes the hot intake valve works as the lasy line of atomization.
@ridgerunner106
@ridgerunner106 2 года назад
I knew an old fellow that had two of those carbs. He had an R196 International. Pulled a low boy and a D 9 Caterpillar and got 15 mpg. That is phenomenal. He only used one, the other was still new in box.
@johnlupton1002
@johnlupton1002 2 года назад
I had the privilege to know a mechanic, Ed Lewandowsky, who modified carburetors such that he would double the gas mileage of most installations. His own vehicle, a Peugeot 404, started out at 25mpg, when he finished modifying the carburetor, got an average 60mpg. I had a customer who had a big Suburban that averaged 7-8mpg. I had Ed do his magic on the gas guslar 4 barrel, and he ended up averaging 14-16mpg. His theory was to get fuel from a liquid to a gases state well before the intake valve.
@randybarnes8454
@randybarnes8454 2 года назад
I tried something similar to this fuel vapor idea some years ago. I had a 327 Chevrolet engine in my car with a 3 speed standard transmission and a 4 barrel carburetor. I made sure the exhaust crossover under the carburetor wasn't blocked and I noticed the radiator had fittings for an automatic transmission cooler. So I connected the outlet of the fuel pump to the cooler and the outlet of the cooler up to the carburetor and that pre-heated the fuel, to the temperature of the thermostat around 180 degrees. I assume it was anyway. It ran pretty good in the winter but I never tried it in the summer. I need to try this again . Great videos.
@ShawnD1027
@ShawnD1027 2 года назад
Having either the exhaust crossover or preheated fuel in a carb is a recipe for vapor lock in the summer, and having both could make the car undriveable. It's even more of a problem these days with ethanol in the fuel.
@tylerbonser7686
@tylerbonser7686 2 года назад
@@ShawnD1027 yep vapor lock was my first thought.
@WhiteTrashMotorsports
@WhiteTrashMotorsports 2 года назад
Thank you 1 horsepower needs appropriately 1/2 pound per hour of gas. I always laugh when people with small fuel pumps and 5/16 line try to tell me they make 600 hp.
@richtomlinson7090
@richtomlinson7090 2 года назад
Oh but that's what their guy tells them and it makes them feel good, hahaha.
@t-bfr45-70
@t-bfr45-70 2 года назад
You can have 1/4 fuel line and make 600hp just need a higher pressure pump that's less then 40 gph. Early sbf fuel pump Carter m4009 has 40gph rating so really not even really having to upgrade for fuel pump and easy to find fuel pump that can do that especially when go for 6 psi to 10 or electric. I prefer 100 gpm plus pump and bigger line but really is it need on paper.
@MrZimmaframe
@MrZimmaframe Год назад
Over 10 years ago when I studied Engineering at university, a lecturer was always very interested in Economy, and getting the most out of a fuel source. He use to do aerodynamic tests with his car lol with cardboard, well he made something that he said has improves his engines economy, and has a meeting with a company who are interested in his concept. To cut a long story short they bought his concept and the rights to it. Must of been millions and he said they just shelved it? Never to be used on public roads again. He went travelling not much time after that, and I never saw him again the whole time I finished uni.
@steveststst2968
@steveststst2968 2 года назад
I tweaked a 75 datsun 620 to 31 mpg with a z24 engine. Extra air inlet in manifold under the carb. Would get to 30 mph, then open it up for the "mother of all vaccuum leaks" if you wish. Wouldn't idle, so closed it off below 30 mph. Pretty impressive mpg increase. And no, the valves didn't burn up any.
@pauldulworth2768
@pauldulworth2768 2 года назад
When I can get one of my hero’s experimental engines explained to me by another hero of mine, you know it’s going to be a great video. Thanks, Uncle Tony.
@That1776Show
@That1776Show 2 года назад
I believe the man's name was Tom Ogle. It is what's known as a vapor carburetor. Gasoline turns into vapor at a certain temperature. It was like a metal box with a hot plate under it. Keeping the Plate at a certain temperature the system would drip gasoline onto the hot plate where it would turn into vapor and be ran into the engine. He claimed 2500 MPG. Reportedly he was was found dead in the car on the side of the highway.
@eric63377
@eric63377 2 года назад
Yes the fuel liquid is not flammable but the vapor is what is flammable.
@rickw.9298
@rickw.9298 2 года назад
I recall that story now that you mention it. An unfortunate end to a wacky idea.
@vr4787
@vr4787 2 года назад
It was 100 mpg and he suddenly collapsed at his girlfriend’s house in El Paso, and died on his way to the hospital. Supposedly he died of an overdose. There was a lot of controversy surrounding his death at the time.
@lsrengines
@lsrengines 2 года назад
The problem with the hot vapor engine is that it doesn't really add much more efficiency versus a modern fuel injected motor and it is extremely hard to keep it from going bad in a hurry. Many many engines use similar ideas with blinding hot intakes to spray the fuel on top of with very negative results back in the '70s. Extremely hot expanded gas vapor takes up more room but you still need the correct amount in order for the engine to run correctly.
@rickw.9298
@rickw.9298 2 года назад
@@lsrengines Agreed. When we speak of 14.84:1, we speak in mass; at 60 mph, its about 0.943 lb/min of fuel & 14.0 lb/min of air @STP. In terms of volume, 350 liters/min fuel & 4,900 liters/min of air. Which of course is highly combustible requiring out-of-cylinder storage. It’s almost the definition of an external combustion engine LOL.
@theaccidentalhomesteader3246
@theaccidentalhomesteader3246 2 года назад
I had a 1969 318 in a dodge A100 van. It had a Stromberg 1 barrel that routinely got 30 mpg.
@Liberallez
@Liberallez 2 года назад
THE best explanation/refutation I've ever seen of "high mileage" claims!!!
@georgew.morrowiii118
@georgew.morrowiii118 2 года назад
I really found this interestingly educational
@rubbabubba6489
@rubbabubba6489 2 года назад
I read in a very well known mag, pop mech, about an famous engine builder who built an engine that used multiple valves per cylinder and the basic principle was the engine was 1/2 fuel, 1/2 steam engine. would run on fuel to a temperature point then the 2nd valves would take over and water was used to create steam in the cylinder and you get "free strokes" until the temp dropped to a point then goes back to fuel. It was years ago but I always remembered that article. This fellow actually had his invention in a car and would drive it daily. I don't believe it was McLaren but somebody equally famous. I imagine it would have to be a diesel type engine and some kind of lubricate added to the water but the "exhaust valves" would send the steam back to the water tank to be reused. Fascinating concept. Uncle Tony you rock!
@fastinradfordable
@fastinradfordable 2 года назад
Wow I love the idea. Imagine going up a hill you previously overheated. That would only make you go faster !
@gregcobert1614
@gregcobert1614 2 года назад
Thanks for that video, Ive been a mechanic for 50 years. Now I can quit looking for that carburetor. Everything you said make complete sense. Think Ill get back to work.
@andrewm4799
@andrewm4799 2 года назад
Great explanation. The vapor carburetor is practical for an engine at a specific rpm and output as a generator for a serial hybrid EV. I would expect the same would apply for a hot vapor engine. Reclaiming lost energy from heat always improves efficiency.
@elmerfudpucker3204
@elmerfudpucker3204 2 года назад
GM's delving into Smokey's system was called "EFE, Early Fuel Evaporation". That's the best application they could adapt for production manufacture of it. Mostly just put a grid plate under the carb, and electrically heated it up. I remember those.
@STARDRIVE
@STARDRIVE 2 года назад
Heating the base underneath the carb is the function of the heat control valve. Electric heating would only be needed in the short time it takes for the exhaust heats up. After that, it´s just parasitic drain. I guess they introduced it to meet mandatory emission standards, and dumped it after EFI?
@johnvandiermen616
@johnvandiermen616 2 года назад
That was put on a Buick wildcat engine experimental carburetor see one many years ago
@TheBeingReal
@TheBeingReal 2 года назад
I had an IC engine class in college. We went thru the chemistry of gasoline combustion. Just one more death dagger to the ‘100 mpg’ engine. Nice explanation from the carb side though.
@troyrager1352
@troyrager1352 День назад
I read an article in 1999 about a team of engineers from a university that made a v8 Buick get over 100 mpg by adjusting the carb and timing, after 9-11 I couldnt find the article anymore.
@williamjmansfield8768
@williamjmansfield8768 3 месяца назад
85 y/o gear head. Easy to follow concepts. Success is always on the details.
@frankkatsenis3812
@frankkatsenis3812 2 года назад
Uncle Tony is highly intelligent. He talks about springs oscillation. Where did you learn that did you take a physics class? I worked on cars many years before I took a physics class and learned about sine cosine oscillation of springs. Molecular makeup, man Uncle Tony really gets it.
@coldlogic800
@coldlogic800 2 года назад
This guy isn't even able to describe the purpose and function of the accelerator pump on a carburetor. Even given the title is clickbait there's very real limits to how lean you can set any fuel metering system that inherently creates a homogeneous air fuel mix. His mental aptitude appears fairly pedestrian to me. Especially since he spends way too much time saying the engine is "asking" for fuel. A carburetor is a metering device that controls the fuel delivery rate. A metering device is not a computer. Silliness
@peterdarr383
@peterdarr383 2 года назад
@@coldlogic800 Most intakes have a "dual plane" design, so each half of the carb seems like it's running a 4-cylinder engine. Airflow comes to a complete stop every 180* of crank rotation, giving a pulsing vacuum signal, thus the enrichment springs oscillation. Yeah - some of his terms were wrong, Smokey called the Turbo the "homogenizer"...there weren't supposed to be any fuel droplets past the turbo, but there wasn't any real pressure there either. A carburetor isn't a digital processor, but it IS programmable, and can have 6 independently tunable circuits. -The amount and timing of electronic choke -The idle speed and fuel trim -The accelerator pump volume and timing -The "main" circuit jetting and air orifices, venturi -The "secondary" circuit and power valve _The float height.
@austinlacroix888
@austinlacroix888 2 года назад
I find the best way to get the most fuel economy out of my Plymouth is to zip tie the float arm on the fuel sending unit to the highest point of travel and unscrew the speedometer cable, disabling the odometer. Can’t complain about a bad number if you cant do the math to get it.
@teardroptrailers
@teardroptrailers 2 года назад
I like that Austin, you're going places.
@buckeyejim2989
@buckeyejim2989 2 года назад
Perfect logic 👍
@mikekokomomike
@mikekokomomike 2 года назад
Sounds like hitchhiking is in your future.
@austinlacroix888
@austinlacroix888 2 года назад
Unrelated question, does anyone have any gas they can spare?
@buckeyejim2989
@buckeyejim2989 2 года назад
@@austinlacroix888 Got a can in back of truck👍 where ya at? Lol😁
@Midwesternhighlights
@Midwesternhighlights 2 года назад
You deserve a standing ovation man seriously your understanding and profound knowledge is impeccable
@samdurbin6566
@samdurbin6566 5 месяцев назад
This is an interesting subject and a lot of fun as i have screwed with this off and on for years , thanks Tony for bringing it out here
@billloomis3907
@billloomis3907 2 года назад
God stuff Tony. Good to hear the 'Smokey Yunick' name. I'm thinking a good amount of the younger followers are scratching their heads.
@SteveP-vm1uc
@SteveP-vm1uc 2 года назад
This is the first time Tony has explained different systems without driving the train WAY off the tracks.. I made it all the way through!!!
@yeboscrebo4451
@yeboscrebo4451 2 года назад
Huh?
@ericlandstrom6155
@ericlandstrom6155 2 года назад
Tony give the clearest most detailed explanations of anyone on RU-vid. This video is just typical UTG
@SteveP-vm1uc
@SteveP-vm1uc 2 года назад
@@ericlandstrom6155 You are entitled to your opinion, just as I am.
@thomasleathers2201
@thomasleathers2201 2 года назад
Ha!
@DANTHETUBEMAN
@DANTHETUBEMAN 2 года назад
I noticed that also
@Dave_Simmons
@Dave_Simmons 2 года назад
Yesterday's technology. I have experience with two vehicles that got better than expected fuel economy. The first was a '65 Ford Country Squire, with a 390 CID V8, with a 4 bbl Holley carb. It got 24 mpg, when driven with a light foot. I don't remember what the carb number was. The second was a '68 IH 3/4 ton pickup, with a 345 CID V8, with a Holley 2-205 EconoMaster carb. This truck got a combined city/highway fuel economy of 17 mpg. The highway cruising speed was 70 MPH. The last time I saw that truck, it was being used as a service truck by a garage in Ridgecrest, CA.
@compu85
@compu85 2 года назад
I had some early mechanically fuel injected cars. They didn't have a choke, but did have an extra fuel injector near the top of the intake, hooked up to a thermal switch in the cylinder head. When the engine was stone cold it would make that extra fuel injector fire for a moment. The thermal switch has an electric heater in it, which cuts it off after a short time. If the coolant was warm, the switch wouldn't activate.
@censored1360
@censored1360 2 года назад
Good ole Smokey. I haven't heard his name in decades!!! I got a Holley Sniper for my 70 442 project and am curious about what MPG's will be like compared to the old Dominator it ran
@crazycoffee
@crazycoffee 2 года назад
What size engine ya got
@65muzzy
@65muzzy 2 года назад
Very good Tony , brilliant explanation. My personal was add paxton supercharger = plus 7 mpg... hiway cruise. Volumetric efficiancy is the key. Down fall of this is that peak (for any given engine) will only occur at a given rpm. Most interesting subject.
@michaelwillette5738
@michaelwillette5738 2 года назад
Tony, Great that you are covering these issues. No one else is, so eloquently. Smokey is one of my heros. I paid close attention to his theories when I was stock car racing. Race the rule book & the physics...smart man. Self educated. I too have few NASCAR no- no's in the short track book... A few direct observations: The Rochester Quadrajet (i know...) With it's tiny primaries & vacuum door secondaries does the best job of the vacuum controlled needle jet in any American carb. I have built and tuned all major brands. Most hot rodders don't understand them. Your explanation is superb. Try 18mpg/135 mph in a 7000lb Caddy 500 Q-jet powered '67 Ford F250 flatbed! Even better are the side draft British SU (Skinners Union) and Honda motorcycle constant velocity carbs. They are just not sized for American Muscle. (8 Individual 2.5in. SUs on a 340 anyone?) Think outside the box... Ignoring arguments over atomization advantages, all vapor designs (even Smokey's!) are an effort to deal with fuel drop out and intake runner wetting. Unavoidable in carburetor systems. I have ported intakes & heads to ski jump the liquid fuel back into the airstream with good results. But nothing solves the issue short of the complexities you speak of. Multi- point fuel injection largely makes it a mute argument. Direct injection is another dysfunctional animal altogether. Carbs have 4-5 circuits. EFI has upwards of 500. I rest my case For the record i agree with your take on the "black helicopter" conspiracies. However I have direct personal experience with a prototype 2bbl variable venturi design that made 50+ mpg in a 1971 Vega 2.3 (? go figure...). This design had squared off venturies not unlike later Predator designs. 1 end wall of each venturi was vacuum controlled. Atomization was amazing under all conditions. The inventor (I knew him) patented it. Patents are public. Shortly thereafter legal reps for GM approached him with an offer to sell the rights for $250,000 (1972$$$). They implied he would be unable to afford the lawsuits if he refused. He sold. Later GM sold the patent to Ford. Autolite division bungled it trying to make their own version. Committee engineering? It did go into production briefly in 1975-76 in 302 powered Granadas. It did improve milage but only by about 2mpg. Ford dropped it afterwards due to drivability issues from the changes they made. Electronic carbs and then EFI were the writing on the wall. Analog carbs were for the OEMs a dead end. Sorry about the length off this post...
@nop3noperson
@nop3noperson 5 месяцев назад
And now i guys see this 5 stroke engine setup. Thanks again
@exploranator
@exploranator 2 года назад
The system was multi-stage A) Intake through fuel metering device, carb, whatever B) Heated by a heat exchanger with engine coolant before it hit radiator C) Drawn through turbocharger, which he called a "homogenizer" because it further broke up the fuel droplets to hopefully completely dissolve the gasoline in the fuel. D) Another heat exchanger that used heat from the exhaust system with the goal of making the intake mixture a SOLUTION of gasoline dissolved in air, not an atomized suspension, so every gasoline molecule was surrounded by oxygen molecules, ready to ignite it and burn it completely. When you applied throttle, the "boost" climbed instantaneously, as the turbo was not to add compression, per se, as it was a one-way valve merely to keep the natural expansion of the last stage, which was the exhaust heat exchanger, from expanding the fuel and air to the point where you had far less of it, mass-wise, entering the engine, which would cost power. If the turbo was being used to boost the system, there would have been lag, but the pressure in the intake manifold increased almost directly with the throttle position, as it was not designed to add power via boost, but to prevent power loss due to excessive expansion of the intake mixture, and to "stir" the fuel/air mixture after the first heat exchanger to help the fuel evaporate more readily. The functional concept was preservation of heat coupled with far more complete combustion, which would allow one to run a FAR leaner mixture, as complete combustion was assured by dissolution of the gasoline. The heat normally entirely discarded by the radiator (around 60 percent of heat energy from the fuel) was recycled into the intake charge, thermally compressing it, ready to push the piston down, from the moment the intake valve opened. The target temperature, said Smokey, was 400 degree fahrenheit, for complete gasoline vaporization. Smokey Yunick claimed that knock was a phenomenon that was more related to atomization than temperature, so his system, by dissolving the gasoline, solved that problem. Of course, the big automakers panned the system, as it would have returned us to cars WE could work on, minus a bank of "HAL 9000's" at the dealership or garage. Also, the efficiency and power production was quite high. Rest in Speed, Smokey. I still think this concept bears more exploring. Perhaps one could get away with lower compression, which would produce less heat upon the compression stroke, as the engine is already compressing the mixture via heat before it reaches the combustion chamber. As an example, 100 degree air compressed to 10:1 yields 5000 degrees in temperature, whereas 400 degree air at 6:1 yields 4800 degree temperature, actually cooler than conventional intake air temperature and compression. By eternally trapping heat in a loop in a closed loop in the engine, you end up with no greater peak temperatures, and increased efficiency, as that heat was formerly discarded to heat the atmosphere.
@DrewLSsix
@DrewLSsix 2 года назад
If it's something we can work on then it's something we can build.... have you built one?
@albertgaspar627
@albertgaspar627 2 года назад
actually, "turbo lag" is just when one uses too large a turbo for the engine RPM in hopes the increased volume will be used at a higher RPM (or there's a lot of plumbing to blow thru with a front mount intercooler, but that's not really lag, it just feels like it). plenty of OEM turbo setups not running heated intake air (other than an EGR valve, natch for emissions) don't have "lag" or have too little of it to be noticed--a lack of noticable lag doesn't mean the turbo isn't boosting, just that its at an optimum rpm for its designed size (like the IHI turbos ford used in their turbocharged 2.3 litre 4 cylinders in 1987 Thunderbirds to replace the T3 turbos used prior). however, heated air will have increased pressure over cooler air (such as created by the "venturi effect" of a carb's venturis). I also don't think automakers would have even wanted folks working on a hot engine--more than just outfitting carbs with plastic plugs over the idle screws and putting on those lousy plastic covers they use today, when Chrysler tried out their turbine cars, one of the concerns was the temperature of the exhaust coming out. The average car owner can barely find the oil dipstick, much less understand "don't touch the hot stove!" :) And what did you mean exactly by the engine "already compressing the mixture via heat before reaching the combustion chamber (to be compressed by the piston)"? Heat tends to expand the distance between molecules, not compress them.
@exploranator
@exploranator 2 года назад
@@DrewLSsix If I had the money, I would have.
@AtomicFacePunch
@AtomicFacePunch 2 года назад
I read an interesting piece by Mike Brown who was remaking Fish carbs for a while (sort of a predecessor of a Predator). He apparently built an engine with 16 : 1 static compression and utilized a custom ground cam that held the intake valve open for half of the compression stroke resulting in an 8 : 1 pump gas pop with half the fuel. Legend has it that the cams were manufactured and sold for a while. I think it's an interesting idea that comes with a unique set of problems.
@bobroberts2371
@bobroberts2371 2 года назад
Basically he made a Miller 5 cycle engine. This is where the power stroke has a longer effective motion than the compression stroke. Mazda did this perhaps 15 years ago on production engines.
@albertgaspar627
@albertgaspar627 2 года назад
Crower cams had the idea too, and a Hot Rod magazine article in 1980 built the engine for a 39 chevy hot rod. They claimed it had little power below like 3,000 rpm or so--as you'd imagine with the intake valve acting like a giant leak :)
@Ron36415
@Ron36415 2 года назад
I have two of mike's carbs from the eighties, crudely made and finicky to adjust, that said one on my flathead gave it a serious kick in the ass power wise
@FrankGlencairn
@FrankGlencairn 2 года назад
@@Ron36415 Running an original Fish on my 261 and really love it, no miracle mpg though, just like 20% better compared to the factory Carter.
@axipixel5811
@axipixel5811 2 года назад
The 1NZ-FXE in the Toyota Prius also held open the intake valve just like that. It has 13.4:1 static compression.
@raiderjohnthemadbomber8666
@raiderjohnthemadbomber8666 2 года назад
Thanks UT. Superb as always.
@tomhamilton9140
@tomhamilton9140 2 года назад
Thank you for clearing up some of the questions i have had . 🤔
@bobbyz1964
@bobbyz1964 2 года назад
I remember reading about Smokey's engine in Hot Rod. Article came out just before Hot Rod Magazine started to really suck. He had it on a Pontiac Fiero seems like it got 80 mpg. Never heard another word about it for years. Finally they had a little write up that said he'd sold the patent to a company that did nothing with it. That's how all these stories end. 😆
@danielmarlow55
@danielmarlow55 2 года назад
There was a story in Hotrod about 2001ish where a guy built a system where the fuel was metered out of orifices in the intake valve seat after being heated behind the exhaust valve seat and the air was throttled by a variable rocker arm ratio with a rolling fulcrum, at idle the valves were just barely opening uncorvering the orifices very little. He had it on a 4. 3 V6 and a 454 Chevy. .never heard any more after that. Black helucopter must've showed up
@CodycoWeb
@CodycoWeb 2 года назад
That Fiero is now at Don Garlits place in Florida. Was drivable but suffered many issues, like poor acceleration and stalling during stops. Was also prone to overheating as it used the cooling system to heat the fuel system doing away with the radiator cooling the coolant in the block. It used the heat from the block to heat the fuel.
@chrissinclair4442
@chrissinclair4442 2 года назад
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 the government has the ability to keep the patent secret. They do that with energy patents a lot. They will say something like we are keeping this secret for eight years to review and your not allowed to do anything with this or develop it further. Then if they ever release the patent they will say something like your not allowed to use the idea for weapons research and development, then put the pressure on you if anyone does that, you will go to prison forever. They will also keep you from receiving funding to develop the idea or even trying to develop it in ways making it harder for people to weaponize it.
@scottcarr3264
@scottcarr3264 2 года назад
Yes, and it will sit on a shelf in a highly protected basement room in one of the Big Car Companies and will only be seen when THEY want to bring it out 30 years later and say it has been in Development for some years, they LIE. They also don't want anyone to get better than about 30 miles to the Gallon, Max, because they are in League with the Petroleum industry to keep THEM in Buisiness. if you could easily get 100 miles to the Gallon, the Petroleum Industry would NOT BE HAPPY.
@nick4506
@nick4506 2 года назад
@@danielmarlow55 bmw did it with Valvetronic. for their new engines there is no throttle body. its all don't by a double intake rocker thing so that at idle the intake valves barely open then full throttle the second rocker allows the cam to push down the calve all the way. What's old is new again but they are doing direct injection, instead of the valve orifice thing.
@eddiehuff7366
@eddiehuff7366 2 года назад
Good job Tony. It's funny how some people think a really smart person can defy the laws of physics. ...."carburetor sends what the engine asks for..." Brilliant!
@johnwilburn
@johnwilburn 2 года назад
This is exactly how well tuned carbs that are "too big" for the engine can operate so well. They can only supply what the engine asks for.
@biteme1966
@biteme1966 2 года назад
I had a 68 pontiac grand prix 400sb, turbo 400, 4bbl rottenchester, dual factory cherry bombs and 61k miles on the barn find car, and it got 35 mpg all the time. This was back in 1998-1999 and I used mapquest to measure distances in addition to miles and fuel used. At the same time I drove a 67 pontiac executive 400sb, turbo 400, 4 bbl and the mpg was 10-15.
@JoeSmith-qn3el
@JoeSmith-qn3el 3 месяца назад
Thanx for the lesson on carbs and vapor engine. Enjoyed it immensely. I remember Smokey Yunick. 😮
@rseales
@rseales 2 года назад
You are a walking encyclopedia! Thanks Tony!
@kurtzimmerman1637
@kurtzimmerman1637 2 года назад
time to build a still in my backyard and make my own fuel.
@buckeyejim2989
@buckeyejim2989 2 года назад
🌘🌒yep👍
@daniel73minshall
@daniel73minshall 2 года назад
I had a 302 before that got 28 mpg. Had a Motorcraft 2 barrel on it. I always wondered why that 78 Mercury Cougar always got such good gas mileage. Because every car I have owned with a 302 always got 18 to 22 mpg. I had the jets gauged and they were smaller then the other carbs. It really made a big difference in mileage. Just my knowledge from back in the day. Good video.
@cecilsabourin9462
@cecilsabourin9462 Год назад
In 1978, I had an 1970 Ford Torino ,got 25 mpg at 60 mph, with a 302, auto trans , 2 dr hardtop, points , 2 barrell carb ,no cruise , no ac ,235x15 tires , don,t know rear axle ratio , windows up , summertime ,70% ,no wind , dry Canadian prairies , late 1970,s (gas ? ). Wife was pissed when I sold it ,she was right . Was a great car.
@warrenwinslow4266
@warrenwinslow4266 3 месяца назад
302 in a 83 Lincoln mark vi gets 20 to 25 mpg. Tight timing chain, dual exhaust, emmissions delete. Good sensors running on ethanol free gas. Only use overdrive on a highway. 3.08 gears. I'm surprised the cougar got that with out emmissions delete and lower rear end ratio. They usually sucked down the gas in factory trim. I got 8 to 12 on 2 78 Ltd Landaus I had with 400 and 460. With non retarded timing, emmissions delete,dual exhaust and better rear ratio. Got up to 18 to 26 on 400 and 14 to 18 on the 460. Woke them up too.
@josephcivita1450
@josephcivita1450 3 месяца назад
I visited Smokey in his shop back in the 1980s and we spent a few hours discussing the hot vapor engine
@STARDRIVE
@STARDRIVE 2 года назад
I´m a bit of a dreamer, and often ideas I come up with have already been tried in practice. Using the heat of the engine to atomize the fuel is a great example. Thanks for showing. Future cars have electric motors, and these concepts could make for efficient in-car generators at a constant RPM. I´m not convinced using coal plants and batteries is a cleaner sollution, let alone practical.
@mymusicaccount1456
@mymusicaccount1456 2 года назад
Mid 90's to early 00's Jeep 4.0 have problems with hot/boiling fuel in the lines. I can tell from experience that my fuel mileage does not get any better when the under hood temps get hot.
@longhairscorpio3976
@longhairscorpio3976 2 года назад
they didnt disappear the carb guy they killed the water fuel guy
@jschwenz8153
@jschwenz8153 2 года назад
Vapor carbs do work. I built one for a lawnmower that I cut my grass with for a year. It ran cleaner and had more power than a celebrated mower. I also got a Ford truck with a 300 Ci six go 55 mph before froze and stopped making vapor and that was with a cold vapor system made from a paint can and PVC pipe!
@yourebusted5786
@yourebusted5786 7 месяцев назад
In the late 70s I read an article in probably Hot Rod Magazine about Smokey and all of the crazy things he did. It was a hoot.
@SlowNBroke
@SlowNBroke 2 года назад
My grandfather actually told me he knew the gentleman personally who created a system to get near 100mpg back in the 60's in yes, eastern Ohio.. He used GM and a few other machined parts to compile the set up. He told me soon after trying to find investors and marketing, the guy ended up dying in a freak accident on his way home from work. Not sure what happened exactly. BUT, rumor was EXXON and a couple other big oil companies tried to buy the prototype from him to keep it from being manufactured.. After he said no, well.. That's really the unkown.
@logan_e
@logan_e 2 года назад
Wow I got the notification for this within 3 minutes this time! Hello Tony hello everyone!
@JoeSmith-qn3el
@JoeSmith-qn3el 3 месяца назад
Best explained how a carb works , thank you so much. 😊
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