Side note after the fact: that Homunculus s1 strip (frost ray purify) is not good. Go FULL BOTTOM ROW for water homunculus, I've never seen him land his strip. Still 100% success rate, but on the rare chance the right tower gives dragon immunity, his strip has never activated that I've seen, and it's always been loren removing it. Much better to go the normal "control style water homunculus" with full bottom row choices and s1 aoe freeze. (frost ray fluctuate, icy magic bullet chain, ice mist)
Another team that everyone should already have without having to build anything that is 99% reliable 2000 runs with a single fail. Runs 1:37-2;00 is Verd spd lead turn order Loren 2a Spectra 2a Bella 2a Kro and Verd moving last.Bella makes it safe through the waves and between Loren and Bella the boss is constantly stripped of immunity and never gets a turn Kro and Spec do lots of damg together and Verd keeps the turns rolling nicely.All runes are mediocre only thing i rec is vio shield on Bella to help with sustain through the waves.Give it a try I've been running it since patch with zero issues,and again most people should already have these units all built so no need to build new units or change Homu around
Nice, now can you show us which of our Nat 5's might complement this team every thing i build nowadays is free to play. all my 5* are sat in the bank :).
To be fair, if that rune quality on Loren is unattainable for you, then you should still be in giants getting swift runes. Not dragons trying to get Vio runes. Vio is mainly for PvP. Does extra turns help in PvE content? Sure, extra turns always helps. But it's not necessary at all to complete pretty much all PvE content.
Almost 1,000 crystals worth of farming with this team, 0 fails. (nothing is 100%, it will one day fail, just want to say it's extremelylyyyy reliable with all the safeguards in place)
Jewdaddy, can you make b12 work in the f2p account? Using only 3*s... I don't have good enough runes to even farm beasts for homunculus lol. (That's why i'm trying b12s)
Good video as always, I like how you explain things and how you try new mobs new teams and everything. I feel you for being out of breath at the end, dude there is not one single pause in that video (like in all the other ones) and yet everything you say is useful and/or funny so thank you !
Bagel you are a godsend. I have been beating my head against a wall trying to beat this dungeon. I don't have a water amazon but im subbing in different monsters and this team is amazing. Thank you!
thanks bagel! i'm actually having a hard time finding a good team for b12 dungeons so this team seems pretty handy and i already have all the units lol. I'm gonna try to build this ASAP! Waiting for a similar team for giants b12 :D if possible. Much love
The gaming dino I got gb10, NB10 and DB8 down after only 30 days using Lapis, Shannon, Loren, Fran, and Belladeon (not even 2A) for all three dungeons work pretty well with good runes. Farm more runes and you’ll be solid.
Exactly my thought. I had to reskill the homie on my alt, he was built for wind rift. On my main I have him built for TOAH, fortunately I have Yen for Punisher.
@@christianw6819 yea.. you also can stop using him in DB12, you dont "need" him there... if i think about it... you dont "need" him anywhere. You can do every content without him. What a comment.
I love all of your vids since from the beginning, especially like this giving us f2p. I copied this team except of using water amazon, I put in my Poseidon, it works fine. Thanks Jew
Hey Bagel, your video is the most anticipated. Because you give us a farmable team. I've tried runs with this team, but I replaced the water amazon with raoq. It works too. Maybe it helps for the other who wants to build db12 but doesnt want to build a specific unit just for db12. Its like 99% consistency and Im quite happy with that. I already runs in 300 crystals without fails so I can recommend this team.
I have run this with both Roaq and Lapis instead of Ellin. My lapis is only 5* on violent and makes it super safe due to att bar reduce on S1 and S3, no skillups needed to reduce turns on S3. Roaq is not 100% reliable, but I think with good runes and speed it will be much better. Lapis on the other hand just wrecks DB12 as 5* and doesn't even need amazing runes.
THANK YOU! I've been saving up all of my crystals until I got a reliable DB12 team, and this is it! Wellll, I actually never saved a Water Amazon, and I got impatient waiting for one, so I used my good ol' Verad instead (my pride and joy). He works mostly the same, but instead of 4 hits to decrease the atk bar by 15%, he just hits once to bring it to 0. Sounds better, but isn't quite as reliable. Fails sometimes. Fortunately, like Bagel said, the team has so many backup plans that I still haven't failed a run yet. I'm at 3 minutes until I can get better runes. And this is how it's gonna happen!
This is a great idea for a team! Since my Spectra isn't second awakened and I am not going to 6* the Water archer I was looking for replacements and as someone else was saying here, Lapis might be a better option instead of the water archer and instead of Spectra I just used Poseidon who works quite well.
Thanks Bagel!! Finally I can farm it! Though no enough resources to build Amazon so used Tyron instead and works perfectly. Slow, but perfect; I just want to farm man who cares if it's slow
I am running a team with the same concept of attack gauge reduction: Verde, Tyron, Spectra, Taor and Raoq. Only with tyron and spectra the boss and towers barely get a turn. Good video!
I love these vids and they help me much. I had to switch 2 mons and now it looks better. I know the focus is on f2p teams, but even f2p people have sometimes luck and get good nat5s. Maybe at the endling a section where you tell us what you could switch, if you have them? I switched water amazon (didn't build her) for water sea emperor.
interesting team. going back to safe teams like this make me think i’m going back in the gameplay, but since the rewards are better, it might worth it. most reliable team rn looks like is BJ5
Bagel thank you! just tried this and I didn't even have my spectra maxed leveled lol and the amazon really is great! even at 5* she did what she had to, did a few runs and my team fails but the reason is obvious and it's the monster not maxed but overall a great team! thanks again :D (also considering my terrible runes lol)
You can try to replace Ellin with Lapis. Lapis got att bar reduction on S1 and S3, no skillups needed. I been running my 5* Lapis on violent spd/crtdmg/accu with no fails so far. Running Lapis seems to be a bit slower, but way safer as towers never get a chance to get a turn.
@@Lynxwire I was just testing the amazon cause she seemed interesting and she can work very well but I have a taor, the star of the team is the spectra so changing that just made the clearing waves faster :) Lapis is such a great option too I just never 6* her.
Nice one. I have been running db12 with verde kahli spectra kro loren. I swapped kahli for water homie and it's a lot more reliable lol (and not that much slower. No atk buff but with all those dots, kro still hits freaking hard)
Dude, first of all keep up the good work and thanks for sharing... I didn't know water amazon had ATB reduction...so I might build her, or just use two 2A spectras. However, your Loren is actually insane, 282 speed with EVERYTHING ELSE that she needs, is not just "OK", it's fairly unattainable for a lot of people who would be watching your video. I wouldn't need ideas for teams if I had access to runes such as the ones on your Loren. I was hoping you would actually take out here speed rune and run it that way.
You can try to use your Lapis instead of Ellin first. I been running my 5* Lapis on violent spd/crtdmg/accu and had great success. Lapis has att bar reduction on S1 and S3, no skillups needed to lower turn. I am yet still to fail a single run... running a 5* Lapis, that is pretty crazy. Though the time is a bit slower, I am running about 3min with Lapis. I also used Roaq to achieve better time, but less reliable.
This video was great. I've built a safe DB12 team following the idea's Bagel showed here using Verde, Loren, Spectra and replacing the water amazon and homie with water sea emperor and Sig since I already rebuild my Homie for PB10.
Omg this team is so good. I run the same units except i use verad instead of the water amazon and it works great! Not the best time tho but still a safe team. Thanks jew!
I'm running a kinda similar team, but with roaq and lapis and kahli instead of ellin and homie and loren. i reckon more people will have those units, and it's still running consistently. it's pretty much the same idea but with more damage.
@@dankis1990 A good way to get passed that (I just found this out) is to pretty much add more aoe control, such as lapis (with very high accuracy to get passed resistance). It should only be in extreme situations when loren should strip the boss... So just add more control, focus purely on the efficiency of runes, then it should be a bit easier, even though it might take a while. I would focus on spd too. Remember, consistency over speed. :)
My God, this team is crazy interesting! Didn't know Water Amazon could come in THAT handy. Working on Spectra will be really hard, tho, that's my only problem about his runes.
Bagel! Try Tyron? It does well in freezing and reduces attack bar if there's a Spectra as well! Also, you could try using those Pixies that detonate dots to make it faster, right? :)
With new veromoes buff, you can replace the water anazon with him, his s2 will decrease all attack bar by 50 to the side crystals, and his passive can cleanse if the dragon gets a turn. his s2 also now does damage base off of the dragons hp, but a bigger multiplier then the water amazon's s1. vero also has decent damage on s1, and his aoe decrease attack bar is 3 turns, rhater then water amazon's 4 turns
I've seen a video of a similar team with water hommie, rica, and fire 2a pixie to detonate the dots. The only issue I've found there is that the only atb reduction was water hommie and spectra, but worked rly well and was faster
If anyone isn't high on speed runs and wants a more beginner-friendly db12, I run Verde Fran Loren Spectra Chilling. 6 min average on runs, so this video here could be considered the next level, but I think my comp is a bit more beginner friendly since I barely have any towers done for Arena. Spd Totem is Lvl10 (+8%), that's my highest. No CD units, and no 100% accuracy needed. You can run with lower stats, can't guarantee consistency though. But Chilling is insurance if Loren misses on strips. I usually have 10/10 runs. Stats are approx. as follows: Verde - Swift/Rev, +12k HP, +550atk, +350def, +102spd Fran - Vio/Will, +20k HP, +400atk, +400def, +102spd Loren - Swift/Rev, +18k HP, +300atk, +400def, +151spd, 80acc Spectra2A - Swift/Endure, +16k HP, +100atk, +400def, +133spd, 53acc Chilling - Swit/Rev, +15k HP, +300atk, +300def, +118spd, 76acc I did try swapping out Chilling with a s1 strip CD Homu (the rest is the typical bottom track), and did manage a similar average runtime. Won't guarantee anything with that, but if you don't want to build Chilling you could try it. But I'm not relying on the Homu for the strip, just for faster wave-clearing and the atb pushback on the crystals. My Homu is unskilled though, so it probably could be faster. WaterHomu - Despair/Rev, +14k HP, +1050atk, +400def, +37spd, 46acc, cr/cd 60/140 I use Fran, Loren, Spectra, and Homu in my main TOA team, and the former 3 are in my sf10 team as well. So these builds work for multiple pve content areas.
I am early game and have 3 min pretty consistent runs. Verd Spectra raoq Loren Fran. You focus the right tower and the the boss. Spectra kills the tower quickly. Even if only Fran and Loren survive, they can solo the the boss. But normally one unit dies and you win, it doesn’t matter which unit they take. Just sometimes if Loren dies they fail, but that is unlikely cause she has low damage. Loren and spectra good accuracy, everything somewhat ranks, best over 18k hp and 800 def.
I been using Water Homu for D12, he's the only reason I can beat it lol, tried so many different combinations since I have no Taor or Poseidon. Water Amazon tho? Didn't expect her to be in here.
Hey Bagel, im a new player and i was looking into using the homunculus as a full aoe build for the fire rift boss. do you think the rune requirements would be crazy high to achieve enough dps for fire rift boss while having enough speed and acc for the db12 team ?
One thing about homu I don't know if I like. One of his main things is to dot like crazy. But with both spectra and loren atk bar reducing, those dots will probably never proc. So on the dragon he feels kinda pointless except a bit atk bar reduce...
Very much late on this but I haven't seen anyone using my team yet which is Verde (L), Lapis, Poseidon, Sigmarus, and Loren. Lapis and Poseidon are still 5* but waves rarely move anyway and neither do the boss and crystals. Works for me 99% of the time. If I fail is because of RNG resis from the left crystals. Lapis, Poseidon, and Verde are violent, Loren is swift fight and sig is fatal energy, lots of accuracy and hp. Sigmarus obviously is the dmg dealer, since I have bad runes, the HP% dmg helps a lot. Can be replaced with any other relevant DD, also spectra for even more control, I just like SIG for aoe freeze on waves and also elemental advantage. AVG RUN 3.50min/4min. Slow but consistent Working on Water homie to replace Lapis and see how it works.
This looks like an actual team. I still find it laughable that some ppl can clear it with more damage dealers. If you can take more than 1 damage dealer, the boss is to easy ;P
using lapis instead of water amazon . lapis and homu are despair using them also in toa. 40-60 accuracy ,my fastest unit is plus 124 which is loren . this comp is efficient
i put bella in for the archer because i mine is runed well for this and its better than my last team, i did see an earlier comment though asking if verad would work in there and that got me interested so im gonna try that next
I like the team, but i was wondering would you be able to speed it up by using a tatu? I saw a video of somebody using rica, tatu, water homie, loren and verd team and I was interested to build it. Im in the process of 2aing tatu, so im not sure if the team will work and if it will be reliable, but tatu might help to speed this team up?
I ran it with my toa water homu.. 2 mins. My other units been using very reliable and a minute ten. And I can still keep my homu the same for auto toah runs
A lot of ppl going full toa on the dragon with water homunculus, Mantura, Rica and Tatu. You could add Tatu instead of the amazon, it would make it much faster because you waste so much dot damage.
Thats what im using. Rica(replaceable with fire imp) water homu, tatu, Verde(L) and Loren. Focus right tower, is pretty consistent. Even better if you put everyone on Violent
