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@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

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@GlitchyGamers18 2 года назад

How did you post the comment 10 mins ago when the video was only uploaded now?

@hectorarcia4853 2 года назад

F-15C vs F-15E

@Anarchy_420 2 года назад

F-22 Raptor VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR👍

@Anarchy_420 2 года назад

@@hectorarcia4853 made the same request a while back👍 But now there's The F-15EX🤔

@Miguelcooldude777 2 года назад

Make F35C vs F/A-18 Super Hornet

@HereticsRight 2 года назад

I'd be interested in seeing a comparison video of some of the radar systems in DCS. Who can pick up what at different distances maybe?

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

the F15 can pick up targets the size of the F16 at like 80 miles. which currently is about 2 times the range of the F16

@HereticsRight 2 года назад

@@GrowlingSidewinder How does that compare to the various russian platforms?

@alinawaz1730 2 года назад

F-16 can pick loaded eagle at what range?

@stark5353 2 года назад

@@GrowlingSidewinder Is that statistic for the EX f-15 or the regular one?

@HomelessCows 2 года назад

@@HereticsRight Russian radar is decent looking up, the moment ground clutter is a factor though, Russian radar is one of the worst.

@williamtaftt Год назад

Fun fact: the EX on the end of the F-15EX stands for EXtra missiles

@stupidthefish1979 2 года назад

“And the missile probably hit the buildings.” “Haha, I’m just kidding, it didn’t.” “It probably hit the buildings.”

@kaba4466 2 года назад

Hahaha I was laughing at that too!

@thomaszhang3101 2 года назад

Russian bomber pilots who fired Kh-22:

@pluginleah 2 года назад

I saw this thumbnail and was like "ah yes, the F-1 SEX eagle."

@genralreno 2 года назад

5EX sells

@jarhead1031 2 года назад

The collabs with LS are always a highlight, you guys are always entertaining together

@kindasupersonic7114 2 года назад

the AMRAAM bus idea was supposed to be for the B-1 Lancer to fire something like a hundred or so amraams from the internal bay off of something like a rotary launch system. guess it was cheaper to use multiple f15s since the f15 is getting a life extension and the B1 is most likely getting retired.

@leonswan6733 2 года назад

I think it is Foolish to retire the B-1Bs . I have had plenty of debates on RU-vid with real USAF and engineers about retiring the B-52s and keep the B-1Bs in play. They have won the debate on keeping the B-52H re-engine ( B-52I it mite be ) in play but i still feel we need to keep the B-1Bs in play as well for this same FOX 3 " Missile Truck " concept.

@ihatemondays2876 2 года назад

There was also an idea to turn the Boeing 747 into a cruise missile bus a while back to carry a ton of ALCMs, it didn't exactly happen but the engineer who thought about it (probably while sitting on a toilet) had blast entertaining the idea! Also about bombers carrying air to air missiles, I think I read somewhere (forgot where, and their words not mine) that one of the upcoming B-21 Raider's features will include air-to-air capability, so we might still get air-to-air missiles on bombers!

@leonswan6733 2 года назад

@@ihatemondays2876 yep. They should convert the 20 or so B-2 bombers to stealth AWACS after the B-21s go main line implementation. theirs a lot of AWACS killing FOX 3 missiles in the current air battle field. it could go " cold " or quiet IE turn off RADAR and data link transmissions to hide from a FOX 3 missile fired at it.

@ryanestes7331 2 года назад

@@leonswan6733 there's only 20 b2 bombers, the air force would really like to cut that down

@benn454 2 года назад

@@ihatemondays2876 Probably don't want to use an airliner for something like a missile truck. Opens them up to being deliberately targeted.

@pbdye1607 2 года назад

The B-1R was the "missile truck" they were considering. A B-1 with 4x F-22 engines.

@magnanimus9692 2 года назад

It'd be fun to see a BVR fight but each pilot with AWACS and B-1Rs just lobbing AMRAAMs at like fukken mach 2 lol

@ChickentNug 2 года назад

Holy shit haha

@tera59487 10 месяцев назад

B-one r

@Enduro300rr 5 месяцев назад

@@tera59487lmaooo I see what you did there

@EPiQ_cR Год назад

I'm only around 80 hours into DCS and haven't even considered PVP dogfighting yet...but man I love how comprehensible your breakdowns are. This is such fantastic content! Thank you!!

@GrowlingSidewinder Год назад

Thanks very much man really appreciate it.

@danielberger1378 2 года назад

After "that worked surprisingly well", I expected the screen go dark any second 😅

@RT42069 Год назад

I half-expected it after "I'm not worried about that missile, I'm just gonna go ahead and recommit."

@miguelruiz8183 2 года назад

I wonder if the fighter mafia could have ever imagined just how much of a powerful fighter the Eagle would be over 40 years later it's still an incredible machine

@Elthenar 2 года назад

Or the fact that the F-16 had to adopt many of the things they were against to be successful.

@stryker1999 2 года назад

@@Elthenar Yes, the "cheap day fighter" became one hell of a multirole dogfighter. And it works hella good at it. Compared to a number of other designs it's still kind of cheap.

@dannonyogurt98 Год назад

The F-16 and F-15 is good in spite of the fighter Mafia not because of them. And they overplay their involvement as well.

@briarrandolph307 2 года назад

i really like the little video window when you drop tanks, could even be used to show missle launches or what the opponent is doing.

@truthseeker9454 2 года назад

The moral to the story? Skill is great, but more missiles is better. Another great collab with LongShot -- thanks, both of you! I told him last year after watching him fly with you a few times he was going to have to change his name to SureThing. :^D

@dipereira0123 2 года назад

This videos shows a concept that it's also applied in chess: "you must know if you opponent is an amateur or an professional to respond accordingly" because from a professional PoV an illogical play from the amateur will make the pro rethink 50 times because it will look like a trap. Same could be said about this fight, the F-15 preemptively defended regardless of any missile alert, the "trick" would be the F-16 hold fire in the engagement and let the F-15 Believe that it was out of ammo

@Bbuzz8393 Год назад

Really like your videos! You present A LOT of info but never in a way that’s confusing. Speaking clearly also helps tremendously! Thanks for the effort you put into your channel.

@lorien544 2 года назад

Love the videos appreciate the loadout at the start and the tacview not to mention the very snazzy drop tank view

@JonathanH21 2 года назад

I’m really interested what a f35 would do at BVR, i have heard that that’s the point were it shines.

@maverick8697 2 года назад

I wonder what is the RCS of F-35 with full external AA load compared to the Viper.

@MrZeek1519 2 года назад

First time watcher here. This was so entertaining and educational. Love the breakdown of the fight too. Thank you, and keep up the great work.

@tbirdpunk 2 года назад

The EX is more than a missile truck. Advanced radar, increased acceleration, greater weapons payload, and enhanced maneuverability are all part of the package.

@valenrn8657 2 года назад

F-15EX has improved high AoA.

@Anderson_Hwang 2 года назад

EX is less maneuverable than a C model Eagle due to the increased weight and higher wing loading

@valenrn8657 2 года назад

@@Anderson_Hwang There are two F-15E variants F-15E and F-15E-1, F-15E-1 has higher sustain G due to engine upgrades. The original F-15E is inferior to F-15C. F-15E-1 is superior when compared to F-15E. F-15EX has high AoA improvements e.g. into 40 degrees range.

@valenrn8657 2 года назад

@@Anderson_Hwang Have you looked at F-15E-1's flight envelope diagrams with engine upgrades?

@Anderson_Hwang 2 года назад

@@valenrn8657 According to the Fighter Pilot Podcast, the Eagle driver clearly said that the Charlie models are better than Echo models in maneuverability, regardless of the upgraded PW-229 engines or not

@JessidGallardo 2 года назад

You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting. Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements.

@andylo25 2 года назад

Thank you for all your hard work GS - it ain't easy to upload good content and you're doing it well. I am going to pick up on your early vid commentary about the F15EX and F35 combination (claimed 'spotter / sniper') - this would be entertaining scenario to explore on how that could play off with different and increasing numbers of 4th gen combatants (maybe team up with LS). Thank you again for really nice uploads.

@josiahortiz5416 2 года назад

This is one of the best videos I’ve seen! I like the way it looked

@minimvl 2 года назад

That mar explanation was really cool. Thanks ✈️

@robertmccalley7413 2 года назад

I’m not sure if you take suggestions but it would be cool to see a simulation of F-22s vs F-35s (1v1, 1v3, 2v6, etc)

@AmauryChihuahua Год назад

Two turns and the f35's are dead

@jimlthor 2 года назад

Glad to see TacViews back. =) I always like watching the breakdowns... but I understand why you didn't do them very often. With this many new viewers, it seems like you could pretty much start your entire "catalog" completely over, including your old tutorials. I'd like to see an updated version of your FA 18 radar tutorial. I STILL recommend that one to anyone that asks for help on it since it's the best one, even though it's 3 years old

@jasonyesmarc309 2 года назад

Absolutely love BVR fights!

@magwo 2 года назад

Why do you generally not pitch up before shooting 120s? In our community we've seen significantly increased lethality by matching the loft angle the missile will take. This lets the missile spend most of its acceleration in the correct direction upon launch. The longer the shot, the greater the loft angle. But there are drawbacks - for example you spend some airspeed by pitching up.

@acarrillo8277 2 года назад

2:20 one I know of is Rapid Dragon, it's for cruise missiles though. Also there was the B-2X concept, that has a B-2 loaded to the max with AMRAAMs :edit:(I am reminded that was B-1 not B-2)

@Chuck_Hooks 2 года назад

Cruise missiles for now but everything will available for Rapid Dragon in time.

@FullBoltOnRacing 2 года назад

It was actually the B-1R not B2. It could carry like 60 AMRAAMs

@unclevampy 2 года назад

Would love to see the Mig-31 vs the Raptor in BVR. Maybe some payback for GS and LS.

@Nellinator23 2 года назад

It's always fun watching you and Longshot together, whether it's a serious fight like this or when you two are sharing a brain cell.

@ZuluF0xtr0tG0lf 2 года назад

I do believe they were considering the BONE as a missile truck. Thought that was a fun idea. Love the channel and content GS appreciate you

@shermanflipse814 2 года назад

I'd like to see dogfights with these pure BVR loadouts. I'm really curious how different it is from fox 2 fights.

@vaccuumrolls7243 2 года назад

@@yapod9061 they still pull very hard, you can see in some of his older videos he used the SD-10 and AIM-120 as dogfight missiles to good effect.

@dsdy1205 2 года назад

@@yapod9061 they accelerate slower, but they turn just about as well when up to speed

@RT42069 Год назад

I imagine the only thing they really would lack is the high-off-boresight capability of the 9X's, ASRAAMs, etc.

@dc_aviation25 2 года назад

What’s kind of funny is that the EX can carry more you guys have it with 12 but the EX can use the other two wing stations so it could hold up to 20 don’t know if they’d do it. Honestly I’d truly insane how many missiles the 15EX can hold.

@a_crows_edits2745 2 года назад

They only hold 16. The outer pylons can hold the 4 missile pylons

@a_crows_edits2745 2 года назад

Cant*

@user-fw2dd2cy3c 2 года назад

@@a_crows_edits2745 Is there an official number yet? I've seen things that say "nearly two dozen," and "more than two dozen."

@a_crows_edits2745 2 года назад

@@user-fw2dd2cy3c yea there is an official number. They can’t fit another four missiles pylons bc it would bc to Harvey on the wing

@dc_aviation25 2 года назад

Actually it can cause there’s an adapter that attaches to the BRU rack one is similar to a BRU-61 and the other is a bit different both adapters can hold 2 AIM-120s allowing it to carry more that a normal F-15.

@laxen614 2 года назад

Just got my hoodie from ur merch store with the f-16 hud hoodie and i love it!

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

Glad to hear you love your hoodie, thank you for supporting the channel.

@dinomaster4013 2 года назад

9:53 GS: that worked surprisingly well 10 seconds later

@jamesjackman4638 Год назад

The usaf has experimented with the C-130 armed with missiles and yes it can in theory be armed with the amraam missile, along with other options. The C-130 has space for missiles near the outer wing on a specialy modified rail.

@briand3200 2 года назад

I like how you cut back and forth between the F-16 and F-15ex

@BrentMarchand 2 года назад

I love these tactical debriefs!

@TOPGUNKHA 2 года назад

I’m tired of the F15 Disrespect 🦅 Eagle Drivers Or No Driver 😎

@danzigschwaiger5032 2 года назад

Exceptionally cool, I didn't know there's already F-15EX Eagle II in DCS. I though it was F-15E Strike Eagle

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

this is just a mod, the strike eagle is the official module coming at some point

@Belford_4642 2 года назад

Miiiiiig 15! Or more pilot and rio content with long shot, y’all argue like brothers lol

@shooter2224 2 года назад

Yea for some reason the latest Viper update really screwed its lock on range

@madwagon9775 2 года назад

You're damn right they put missiles on the C130, albeit air to ground ones. The J models are the Baskin Robbins of ground attack. Any flavor of whoop ass you want.

@lazyshinobi5649 2 года назад

dude, i dont even play DCS but your videos are so good!

@johnandrewmunroe Месяц назад

Great to see the band getting back together for another incredible gig. Bring it!!

@dnep7937 2 года назад

I love your vids man

@howdeedoo 2 года назад

I feel like the is the equivalent of a gym bro and a track and field bro having a fist fight

@pocketpunch9920 2 года назад

Bro the way you paused at the C130 missile truck idea, you know you just figured something out.

@SimonBauer 2 года назад

would like to see a start up and take off straight into a bvr fight

@akgameplayhearthstone7777 2 года назад

This is cool i subscribed!!

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

Thanks, and welcome to the channel.

@jordanwyder6292 2 года назад

Hey GS love the videos!! I know how much you love a good fight and i wanted to recommend a free mission to you. You have the option of the F-14, F-16, or F-18 and your mission is a bomber intercept thats being esocrted by 6 J-11s and potentially 2 more SU-33. The mission is called Chinese Bomber Intercept. I've done it at least 10 times and even added a wingman and still unsuccessful lol

@ChalcedonXXX 2 года назад

Well played, Longshot!

@ktwei 2 года назад

There was a B1R concept to be a massive missile truck but that never came to be.

@hdvsmith Год назад

Love your Merch. I have the GS Tomcat and F18 HUD mug. I was wondering if you have the Tornado Warning graphic as a mug also? Love the channel. Keep up the awesome content!

@ryanweintraub9448 2 года назад

I will never not think the death black screen is terrifying

@lenindoodoocheek6901 2 года назад

hey gs ur videos are amazing and i have been waching for over a year and just wanted to say hi

@GrowlingSidewinder 2 года назад

thank you very much, I appreciate your support.

@Baptistbowhunter 2 года назад

Bruh, same too

@personwithname5830 Год назад

BRO LENIN YOU SMELL

@ayushnautiyal5083 2 месяца назад

"Hes carring all my payload on One wing" 😂🔥

@neogenmatrix6162 2 года назад

They have thought about the super missile truck. The B-1R missile truck. Giving back the B-1's high altitude mach 2.2 speed and 40 ammrams on 2 rotating launchers.

@alenava6088 2 года назад

As i remember the idea is that the B-1b would become a semi stealth "missile truck" for the F-22 /F-35a

@jakerubino3233 2 года назад

Have you tried banging the top of the radar or adjusting the rabbit ears on the F-16? Always seems to work 😂

@mictest12 2 года назад

7:40 Why I hit the play button on GS's videos the moment I get notifications

@Yodaddy1788 2 года назад

This looks amazing

@Wokefolksuck 2 года назад

I would like to see f -35 vs su - 35 in a bvr engagement????? Please?

@diecast4556 2 года назад

Yay! the duo are back! 😊

@BNEA02 Год назад

Soo informative!

@skibum1610 2 года назад

I remember watching a history channel dog fights of the future and they had a B1 bomber loaded with AMRAAMs seemed like a sweet idea just not maneuverable

@Kadeo-ms6qw 2 года назад

So I’m a little confused on your setup and a quest 2 pleb, but am interested in the pimax 8k. In the description it list both the trackIR 5 and the headset, can the trackIR 5 work in tandem with the headset or do you have to still use base stations? If base stations which ones do you use?

@eLECHtricity 2 года назад

What would I have to do to get you two in coms together while dogfighting? The banter and mindgames would be epic!

@dsdy1205 2 года назад

GS has a 2 morons playlist that includes some 1v1 videos, worth a watch

@darthgibsonlp6631 2 года назад

To be fair I'd back the Eagle II in BVR against the Viper every time. It's very, very capable when you look at the spec.

@leonswan6733 2 года назад

Same here

@flyingcactus1953 2 года назад

To be fair , F-15EX should be compared with F-16 block 60 at least

@leonswan6733 2 года назад

@@flyingcactus1953 Would of been nice if the USAF ordered some F-16XLs back in the late 80s. They with modern block numbers and one engine would of been up to par with F-15EXs for sure.

@mobius7089 2 года назад

@@flyingcactus1953 Still an F-16, would never stand a chance.

@flyingcactus1953 2 года назад

@@mobius7089 it depend, it all depend on their respective RCS and Radar range. F-16 block 60 have ApG-80 with very good radar range. While its radar range isn't as good as F-15EX, its RCS is much smaller. So things balance out

@timotheeponzo3516 2 года назад

Amazing videos as always! I was just wondering if you would be doing the same battle but with you in the f-15 and longshot in the f-16? Have an awesome day either way because i know you made mine 😁

@quasimondo1933 Год назад

The thought of a C-130 full of AAMRAMs makes me feel tingly inside.

@BigBrotherMars Год назад

No it doesn't

@calneigbauer7542 2 года назад

The did with the b-51 and the b-1 was talked about as a giant missile holder for the f-22

@leonswan6733 2 года назад

B-52 The XB-51 tri-engine proposal did not past the one or two prototypes.

@imnotacannibal 2 года назад

I would really like to see you in the f-15EX I think it’s a wonderful plane and it would be amazing to see your perspective on it

@cj41079 2 года назад

"it probably hit the building, anyway" 🤣🤣🤣

@vhira 2 года назад

Can we see a BVR combat with the fat amy or the F35 lightning II please 🙏🏻

@vhira 2 года назад

@@RW-zn8vy yeah I know. That’s what I wanna see

@xineisBR 2 года назад

Hi, GS! I was wondering whether you are still using the TrackIR or the Tobii. Did you make a follow up video on the Tobii?

@PeekInsideEverytime 2 года назад

Hi GS, I’ve heard you talked about the downwards spiral dogfight shouldn’t out of burner, could you explain about it? Because cut the throttle/out of burner/put the brake at downward maneuver to make opponent overshoot make more sense to me. I guess keep the burner on makes the aircraft having energy to lift the nose up faster than the slower enemy?

@aarontheaviationaddict3643 Год назад

Burner is kept on to maximize aircraft performance. No burner means less energy. Less energy means poor performance. Poor performance means you die.

@sgt.grinch3299 2 года назад

Excellent video.

@feetpiece_704 2 года назад

IIRC an MQ-9 has a payload capacity large enough for 6 or 8 AIM-120's. A half dozen or so would be a significant A2AD force multiplier for TW.

@Anarchy_420 2 года назад

F-15EX VS F-15STOL/MTD bfm F-15EX VS MIG-31 BVR Redemption against hypersonic missile!👍

@Anarchy_420 2 года назад

Either F-15EX, F-35, lol or F-22 VS MIG-31 BVR! Yo GS need revenge against MIG-31/hypersonic missile!👍👍

@dongypooh 2 года назад

Oh boy, 'Missile Taxi' vs. 'Missile Bus'.

@donaldgorden8383 2 года назад

GS, they did a concept of a 747 missile truck, BTW still waiting on Me 262 vs F86 dude, get on the stick.

@Baptistbowhunter 2 года назад

You should do a dogfight in the F15EX against the f16. ID like to see that

@bryanbaker3217 2 года назад

I believe the B-1R was a missile truck concept.

@rohesilmnelohe 2 года назад

Aaah... return of the 5ex eagle :D

@jamiegable964 2 года назад

Wonder does the EX have a Helmet mounted sight I would think Boeing would’ve added that feature

@frostyrobot7689 2 года назад

2:20 - The other idea is re-purposing the B1 as an AMRAAM missile truck.

@Happyland_Motel_Gamer_Cat 2 года назад

F-15 Eagle is a beast in the sky.

@Bushy_P 2 года назад

They actually almost pushed the B-1B into a missile truck role with a new radar and all the jaz.

@leonswan6733 2 года назад

They still need to in my opinion.

@stinkyfungus 2 года назад

Donno about using a C130 as a missile truck, but what I DO know one concept purposed was the B1-R Take a B1 bomber, upgrade its engines with 4 prat and whitney F119s (that's the same engine that the F22 and F35 uses) and give it back a mach 2+ top speed Give it an AESA radar, data link, etc. And pack it to the gills with AMRAAMs. Like dozens and dozens of them. And then have it orbit around a battle space and sling thunderbolts at whatever the F35s think needs to die.

@legoboy2154 2 года назад

Would love to see F-14D vs F-15EX

@dpandajr.1009 2 года назад

Yo GS I’ve never seen you do a bvr witn the F4 phantom will you ever try to use it?

@mobius7089 2 года назад

It doesn't exist

@Reaper_03-01 2 года назад

B-1R was a proposed missile truck with 24 AMRAAMs.

@swampfox8030 Год назад

Using more traditional platforms (pre-2000), which platform would you use in a blind fight?

@bananomet4052 2 года назад

Lol imagine a death star AC130 loaded with 200x AIM120 just dishing out punishment. Actually scratch that, sounds pretty expensive.

@xander395 2 года назад

too slow... it'd be the fat kid behind all the sprinters. Thats why F-15 (they were thinking B-1 for awhile...)

@christobaliancantu7112 2 года назад

I think the military was looking to make some B-1 bombers in to missile trucks. B-1 R's.

@jsh3624 2 года назад

F15ex with hms and 9x Vs F16c guns only dogfight would be interesting

@oscarzheng9902 2 года назад

the mar is basically like social distancing

@hectorginesperez2258 2 года назад

Is there any button on the game to change from one missile (example:aim120) to another (aim 9x) withlout having to use the mouse in the clicasble parts of the aircraft?? (I use the f16)