F-22 Raptor Vs Jas39 Gripen Dogfight | Can the Gripen take out the Raptor ? | DCS | 

it would be good to see you in the f22 vs someone in the typhoon. It would be an interesting dogfight

F22 vs j20

Grripen community is wierd af they say some wierd shitt a guy who is a groped fan told me once gropen can beat any 5th gen jet

me: Ah finaly gripen in czech colors gripen: Proceeds to gete anihilated by f22 me: Well f**k

Dude you’re not even pulling back on the stick

Best part of a great video....

LMFAO!!!

I was laughing so hard at that lol.

😂 the commentary from GS.

Shotshot obviously.

@@Obirascor Double-Shot

@@Obirascor this needs to be canon. Callsign shotshot merging with a mig.

This has to happen!

Double tap

lold

@@GrowlingSidewinder Grripen community is wierd af they say some wierd shitt

@@kelvinkudirical1438 ya gripen is overrated as hell.

@@retardmoguss gripen cant even out turn su 27 lol out turning f 22 is like hardest thing to do which gripen can never achive

Give me a banana, I will fly!

Dirt bike

One of the problems with modding a 1 engine jet with fc3 lol

it might mean intakes ??? i’m not sure though

@@poopoop825 I'm pretty sure it isn't though, it wouldn't make sense dunno 😂

Avionics got hit so hard it forgot what plane it was on

Lol. Thought the same thing. Had to rewind to make sure she really said that 😁

Agreed

Very good point.

Those were pretty simple maneuvers and even when the Gripen started its turn first the F-22 got its nose around much earlier.

The math at the end proves why it's inferior plenty.

Agreed.

@@Forthenheimer And pilots physical boundaries. At this point only somekind of future fighter drone could dogfight this

Laws of physics are for peasants. Still love the gripen tho.

Don't worry, the F-35 obliterated the Gripen in testing recently in both bvr and visual range dogfighting when Finland was deciding what to buy. The F-22 basically enjoys a free meal

@Drew Peacock the F-35 has one of the most advanced EW suites ever fitted into an aircraft. It can jam and trick enemy EW suites, block the MAWS, etc. It wasn't rigged in the slightest. The Gripen just isn't up to par

@Drew Peacock yeah dude they rigged their own test and chose a supposedly “worse” jet (which is clearly better than the Gripen) that just doesn’t make any sense. Just absurd to think a Swedish 4.5 Gen aircraft can beat an American 5th Gen jet, just absurd.

I wonder if a few upgrades to its technology etc if it could put up a more of a closer fight.

@@mitchjames9350 Like what? No amount of tech upgrades are going to allow it turn fast enough to get that nose in anywhere near the same position as the f22.

Gripens hunt in packs .

The Gripen is one of the most overrated modern fighters. No combat history, very modest flight characteristics, mediocre weapons and carrying capacity. Euro-chiqueness and being Swedish is the only thing it has going for it (esentially just good marketing from Saab)

@@dimitri1154 Ah, the Meteor is mediocre. That's high standards for sure!

if you eject there’s less possiblity that they shoot you down since you would technically not be in the plane therefore it was not you who got shot down!

@@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa1261 it will be a stalemate therefore gripen=raptor

There's no WSO to use as a decoy though

@@bagellord Old WW2 submarine trick (also borrowed by Romulans).

And if you’ve ejected, it becomes a war crime to KIA you

ahaha ya dude, it was a rough video to make.

🤣 ikr

@@GrowlingSidewinder I only just recently found your channel, so your older subs may already know the answer, but why didn't you switch planes so that we could see how it looks from the raptor pilots pov?

@@highjix he will show it sometimes but often he’s showcasing one plane vs the other not just the fight

@@burntburrito8886 this is accurate, also sometimes the other guy doesn't own the other plane or isn't competent in it.

I hope these mods get a proper flight model some day. I'd be interested in how these fights would actually go. At the moment the stf won't even allow you to stall unless you *really* try.

You should watch the video of him in a tomcat trying to fight a raptor.

I wonder if a human pilot actually could make thoose F22 turns in reality without getting a black out??

@@HenrikHuber it depends on where the actual turning point of the aircraft is. Despite where the nose is pointing it actual did look like the plane was rotating faster than the actual turning radius. I admit this could make the g-load worse also as you start calculating loads by vectors.

@@duanesamuelson2256 Yes if the F22 pilot blacks out due to his extreme G-turnig manuvers he would probably get shot down. Another factor might be due to wich speed the aircraft is at when sharper turns are used. If this is the case a pilot using a 4th generation fighter vs an F22 might level his chanses in higher speeds, rather than the usual, slower dogfighting speeds? I don't now, just brainstorming a little...

its just one of the ways to say the engine has left

@@paodebatata6606 it’s not saying the left engine is on fire, it’s saying the engine has leftcthe aircraft, leaving only a fire.

Also Gripen : 'hydraulic failure' Reality : whole right wing gone Who the heck programmed this computer? Seriously?

@@razorback20 it’s cause it’s using the F-15 as the base

@@Cybetrexs remember there was an F-15 that the pilot not only maintained control after a mid air collision but landed the thing successfully. That's without the right wing.. I guess loosing your wing would be "just" a hydraulic failure. Israeli F 15 if anyone cares to look it up. There are also videos of the incident.

Que umbrella academy passing car meme

@@SpartanJey1219 lol

You have chosen poorly.

ahah longshot would have also been great, but he was not available.

@@GrowlingSidewinder you know the bromance between yourself and Longshot is strong when Longshot turns down an opportunity to pay you back for amputating his Huey's tail a week or so ago.

Hey all I’m saying is to read between the lines

Hahaaaaaaaaaa . I wish longshot would comment here

On such situation longshot becomes a blood thirsty creature!

UFO sighting! (to be fair if it is unidentified and it is flying, it is a ufo!)

I wanted to like but it is on 69 likes 👍

You can't even out run the damn thing that's the problem. The f-22 gets you on radar and youre basically done. No way you're evading 2.25 mach.

@@chrisoreilly3481 I mean BrahMos is a SAM so good luck dodging that with your Raptor

@@lxrd_cs uhhhmmm.... Yeah, how can your SAM lock at the F22 if it can't see it on radar?

@@chrisoreilly3481 in an F-15 you can, but theres no point in the F-15 running

@@Ash-iv7el also the big problem with sukhoi 57 is that its Infrared signature is visible to the heat seaking the f22 has, because of that 2 big engine on the 57

I don’t know, but it sounds grimy as hell!

I dont know the name of the track the file on my PC was called "racing-W7M"

Someone has got to know that song and where we can get it

So, I tried each cut section he had on there. I tried it on Shazam, SoundHound, and google song search. No results for any of it. I can only assume it's a royalty free song or something.

@@blackhalo6 its not royalty free lol, I pay for all the music you guys hear in these videos. which is why I can't share them for you guys I'm not allowed to distribute under the licensing agreement.

F22 has water cannon to put out only to catch plane on 🔥 again

Grripen community is wierd af they say some wierd shitt

@@kelvinkudirical1438 I am a Gripen fan but I know very well that the Gripen can't beat thrust vectoring in a dogfight. If Gripen is to have any chance it would have to be in a Beyond Visual Range fight. But even then I doubt Gripen stands a chance against the F22 Raptor. If it was Gripen E it might be a different story but I still think it would be a very difficult fight for Gripen. Would def be more interesting tho. (In Beyond Visual Range that is).

@@SonnyKnutson the only gripen fan i repect. U have my respect 🤜🤜

@@SonnyKnutson stealth, and supercruise would definitely aid the F22. I understand stealth isn't invisibility but it definitely reduces the range at which the enemy can detect, and track you. Both of which are important to bvr. The low probability of intercept radar would also make the F22's attacks harder to detect and as a result harder to survive.

much love buddy thanks for the love and support.

@@GrowlingSidewinder why were you carying rb74(aim9l) and not iris t

@@einar8019 I'm not, the gripen is carrying 9x as well to make it exactly even.

The Raptor is overrated. The MiG-21 can beat it every time. Sorry, just had to do it. Just note I was obviously joking. MiG-21 vs F-22 is like taking a Mazda RX-8 up against a Koenigsegg CCXR.

I mean they built more Mig-21's so obviously they must be better! (is only joke please don't hurt me)

@@jacobrudder7582 I'm triggered so I'm disliking because that's how mafia works

@@lonniebailey4989 If you mount a couple Hellfires on your RX-8, you can defeat the CCXR as it blows past. And you know the driver will not be able to resist getting in front.

@@MelioraCogito Oh, man, don't even get me started on the F-35... Chances you you might already know, but if you don't, do you want to know something that will make you even more unhappy? Rumsfield came out and said that the reason they greenlit the YF-22 over the YF-23 was because the United States Navy expressed interest in the Advanced Tactical Fighter program and because the YF-22 would be easier to navalize and make a carrier variant of than the YF-23. After the YF-22 won? The Navy went, "Nah, we're not interested" and went on to dump billions of dollars into the A-12 Avenger... which literally never had anything built or flown. And, of course, we all know that the F-22 production line shut down because we had to pay for the F-35. Yet some people still try and claim it wasn't... The whole idea behind the F-35 and how it was "sold" to the government and military was "it's too expensive to design and build multiple airframes for each service." Which sounds... dodgy. And, of course, it wasn't true. With the cost of the F-35's development and unit price we could have easily built 3 separate airframes (maybe with some increased parts commonality to help with logistics) that would've been the same price or cheaper and not have the design compromised to fit 3 different services and roles. I'd like to imagine a world where the F-35 didn't happen and they kept making and buying F-22s and just updated/upgraded the F-15/F-16 fleet and with the cost savings also started making an upgraded new manufacture A-10 series. And, as much as I love the Harrier, the USMC did need a more capable upgrade. The Navy seems to be going along just fine with the Super Bugs, and honestly, after the A-12 fiasco I don't really trust them having sole ownership of any fighter development in this day and age.

Splinting….spinning. Thanks iPhone. 🤦‍♂️

Nope. That’s the plane warning you that you have no engines. The one you had just left… while on fire.

The computer had so many systems to say were destroyed, it got confused.

Well, problem is neither gripen or f22 is anywhere near authentic in this game. They are still top secret, their capabilities are not public. quite dumb to make a statement with a videogame. In reality the gripen will never encounter a f22..

Grripen community is wierd af they say some wierd shitt

The raptor will win every time if it is flown better

Grripen community is wierd af they say some wierd shitt

@@kelvinkudirical1438 ?

@@itsjustyas7724 hes commenting that on everyone

My thoughts exactly

Not enough to defeat one raptor (jk)

@@edwardcardozo8325 this is probably actually true, if it's BVR.

I really like this idea and would love to see it. GS make it happen babe.

Gloster meteor vs f22

That's actually an interesting idea. I'd watch it.

You're dead without even knowing why. That's the F-22.

Actually if your bringing in the Gripens strong suit (radar jamming & detection) the playing field gets more equal , however it would still most likely result into the F22 just having to gun down Gripen. Edit: Oh sorry , didnt notice this was Gripen C , yeah then its game over if the raptor gets that close, without a wingman.

It's a simulator... :)

since its mods it does not really say anything xD

@@Storlans since it’s a video game it doesn’t really say anything. But let’s be honest, the f22 would still probably dominate. I mean after all it’s 3x the price

@@3721-t1t being more expensive does not mean its better xD

Back in the day they have made tomcat. It was such an awesome creation. And now f22 is.

Lol, in your dreams

​@@mikeconner8088?

You know, I didn’t know we were in 16th century England

@@weirdbritishperson9542 hey lemme borrow that username Uh I mean May i b'rrow thy nameth sir

Shakespeare be like…

g forces affecting pilot and airframe isnt new been around since ww2 props

Both the pilot and the equipment is cognizant of the limitation of g forces on itself.

I think it’s safe to say that IF the planes are flying similar to reality, these two bring more accuracy in the pilot department than any other youtubers would 🤷🏻‍♂️

at the end of the day the aircraft are mods and can't be considered accurate because theyre mods but regardless of that, even with the current models the F-22 should never lose if you know what you're doing and I think we did a great job proving that in the tacview with numbers like that you can see why the F-22 should never lose. I don't know what other guys are doing on other channels but I can say if the F-22 is losing, theyre doing something wrong.

Could be a chimpanzee flying those losing F-22

@@DeathAdder9558 from looking at some of the vids where the raptor lost from other channers, your prob right

If you think that looks futuristic. You should see the Strike Raptor the F-22's lost cousin. Look up FB-22. The Air Force is thinking about reviving the program and turning the F-22 into a multirole fighter-bomber since the standard F-22 is a niche type of fighter.

@JRGProjects oh now THAT looks like a spaceship! Bloody hell, didn't know about the FB. Such incredible looking machines. Thanks for that!

@@WillArtie the original concept for the F-22 the YF-22 is a lot sharper looking than the production model. Looks more alien.

So 7 Gripen vs 1 F-22?

@@zulupox no. A gripen can fly 7x more than a F-22

@@-_deploy_- Ah okay!

its the number 1 jet rn, even better the f35. the f35 is being sold but the f22 no, this tells u taht they are hiding even mcuh hetter technology with the f2/

I concur

Correct

Because it's probably based on F15-C from FC3?

It does and it's the left one.

The engine you know…

@@Vespyr_ the Right-engined Gripens are made in a different factory across the street.

There is no real Eurofighter Typhoon for DSC yet. Nobody knows when it will be done.

@@JazzJaRa Heatblur uploaded a trailer a couple days ago... I assume we'll get one pretty soon.

@@MrNicoPela Yes i have seen it, and it looks very promising

I love the Gripen, I think the E is amazing engineering. I’m also a fan of reality. The Gripen E will beat Su-35 … in medium range BVR fights. The Gripen is no slouch in BFM … it’s a great plane. But it can not compete against the super maneuverable planes. So, the pragmatic approach is to give the Gripen enough maneuverability to survive while the wingman peels the Flanker off. The Swedish are very professional- they will not be sitting in their ready rooms pounding their chests like imbeciles on RU-vid. They are going to be realistic and come up with tactics to kill SU-35 and SU-57 that play to the strengths of their plane. No one wants to merge with a Flanker, Felon, and definitely not with a Raptor. I think it looks a lot more like the Mig-21 versus F-4 tactics … pretty sure GS did a video on that. Of course the Gripen can execute those tactics at much longer ranges than even a modernized MiG-21. Gripen is a smart purchase for lots of countries. That doesn’t make it a better all around plane than a Raptor or a Flanker.