The F-22 and Su-30 did met each other during an exercise Cope Taufan 2014. USAF F-22 goes head to head with the Malaysian SU-30MKM. But both side refrained from showing their full capability. The F-22 use blip enhancer while The Su-30MKM never activated their advance radar suit, instead relied entirely on their IRST.
Awesome performance by SU35. Pure aerodynamic machine! Love the design and performance of all Suku fighters. Looks and feels solid, dependable fighting machine!
"Performance in the air"? Su-35S: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bAkFQFwWuvU.html . "Out of this world" , from 02:52 to 03:15, and from 06:38 to 06:51.
Fantastic showoff... You can see how F-22 pilot spent more time with his jet, his maneuvers are really precise and smooth, yet, you can see how SU makes all those stunts more sharper and proves that even if 1 generation behind, still can cope with F-22... Great video, many thanks!
Both planes are beautiful. I prefer the F-22 design if I was forced to choose. In terms of performance, one would have to be ignorant on the topic to suggest the SU-30 is more advanced. Both planes are extremely impressive in my opinion though. I would to have a model of either one on my desk. My comment is based on the information I have obtained and could possibly bias since I am American. I respect everyone’s opinion so far in this comment chain.
Pretty similar to the USA plane. Here are Malaysian pilots, who are more conservative than the "home" Russian pilots. Where the Sukhoi designs far surpass the U.S. planes, though, are in their ability to take off and land on marginal surfaces that would cripple the F-planes. Also, the thrust vectoring on the SUs is done at the actual engine outlet, where the F-22 uses a gated design that is more susceptible to heat and pressure damage, a limiting factor for reliability. For governments that purchase either plane, the Sukhoi is much less expensive to keep in ready condition, with longer intervals before major maintenance is required.
I believe both are formidable. but its tough to do a general comparison with one clean result. besides the difference in generations. the Su-30/35 are built to fly like vicious predators, fast and agile lacking stealth. while the F-22 as a fierce and stealthy hunter lacking maneuverability. one is opted for dog fighting, the other beyond visual range. to say which one is better is not plausible in my opinion. but to deny eithers ones abilities is mistake. awesome vid!
You do realize that the F-22 is just as or more manueverable than the Su-35 right? Also most people that don't know much about fighters and air to air combat don't realize is that the Su-35 is going to lose a LOT of it's maneuverability and speed once in combat configuration, unlike the F-22 which can do an air show fully loaded. What I mean by combat configuration is they will be carring missiles/bombs, pods and a full tank of fuel. That is a lot of extra drag and weight! The Su-35 wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell at turning and staying with a F-22 or even F-35!
SU-35 has a slight edge on the f-22 in maneuverability, but the f-22 has stealth and super cruise engines and probably better electronics and radar. F-22 is better.
theirs no slight edge in manueverability f22 is more high tech best fighter jet in every catorgorie, your completely wrong! get your facts straight dumbass.
"We will never use the F-22 in combat unless we can guarantee a laboratory perfect combat environment which means no active ground radars, F-22s have SAT and/or AWACS support, it's night time, skies are overcast, and most of the enemy's fighters have already been taken out or grounded by conventional means." Jane's Weekly
у вас был один стелс- и вы говорили что он неведимка, пока его не сбили наши старые с-122 противо воздушной обороны, я думаю и ф22 такойже неведимка как и стелс был)))))
+Igor Priladyshev rofl...he sure got under your thin skin didn't he? Why don't you go cry into another bottle of vodka you worthless drunk. Or is your ruble so worthless now you can't even afford that?
i hate it when people just comment F22 the winner especially when they have no fucking idea about planes and there pilots. People just appreciate the design .
I am suprise to see F22 doing almost same things as su... I was always believed that the only su is capable to the super maneuvering but i was wrong. It's sad they stopped the production of f22, i think this aircraft is a good prospect.
At 150mil dollar per unit, it is almost compulsory for an F22 to be as agile as a Sukhoi, despite its core as a BVR fighter. Actually at that price, I was half expecting it can transform into a robot.
Honestly, it's hard to tell which is better! I think all these aircraft are flippin amazing, and definitely want NONE of them on my 6, if I am their enemy! ;) Each one has it's trade-off's.
+Mark Che With both aircrafts has similar empty weight 1. F-22A has a larger wing area than SU-35S. F-22A has lower wing loading. 2. F-22A has higher thrust power than SU-35S. F-22A has higher power to weight ratio. The characteristics of the planes are NOT the same.
The characteristics are not the same. One has stealth, supercruise. Max speed 1726 for raptor, su-35 max speed...etc. For comparison www.businessinsider.com/how-su-35s-and-f-22s-compare-2016-4
F-22 max speed = 2410 km/h F-22 max speed over the ground = 1490 km/h F-22 supersonic cruising speed = 1960 km/h F-22 cruising speed = 850 km/h Su-35 max speed = 2500 km/h Su-35 max speed over the ground = 1400 km/h Su-35 supersonic cruising speed = ??? km/h Su-35 cruising speed = 1310 km/h On SU-35 is used AL-41F1S engine (a simplified version of the AL-41F1), with a reduced thrust vector in the afterburner and without afterburner. To compete with the F-22 engine that will be enough.
It appeared that the f22 could turn a roll just slightly faster than the su30, but who knows since the air shows never show the full capability of the f22 and maybe even the su30. Or maybe the f22 pilot's angled seat just allowed him to withstand more g's. Still a great show!
I just read that in 2007, Russian pilots were only getting between 20 and 60 hours of tactical aviation time per year, depending on what branch of the Russian military they were in. But their jet planes do that stall, hammer-head thingee in a tremendously intimidating way.
After watching this video I believe the Russian SU-30 and SU-35 are slightly better than our F-22. If I was an F-22 pilot I would try to fight at long range and not get to close to the SU-30 or SU-35. Hopefully we will never find out who has the best planes and pilots. I have been to Russia and went to their homes and had meals with them. They were always the best people and I like them very much.
im a f-22 person but i agree with you that the US and Russia shouldn't always be at each others' throats arguing over who has the most advanced technology when everybody knows that neither country will ever use them :)
Russian made radar like NO11 and NO35 which is used on the Su-30 can detect a target at radar cross section of 5 m-2 at the range of 64.79 nm which is around 120 km meanwhile the F-22A has APG-77 radar which can detect a target at radar cross section of 1 m-2 at the range of 104.21 nm which is around +190 km here you go and stop posting propaganda, the F-22A is better. now missiles first medium range the Russians have R-27 and R-77 the R-27EW which is the best one between the R-27 series has a speed of 4.5 mach which is around 5512.7 km/h and range of 73 nm around +130 km ,wingspan is around 772 mm which is good and warhead of 39 kg and the launching & detecting is radar proximity which is good and now let's go with the R-77PD it has speed of 4.5 mach also around 5512.7 km/h and range of 86.39 nm which around 160 km and wingspan of 350 mm and warhead of 22 kg and launching & detecting is laser now let see the AIM-120C-8 "used on F-22A" has a speed of 4 mach which is around 4900.2 km/h and range of 97.9 nm which is around 181.31 km and wingspan of 482.6 mm and warhead of 18.1 kg and launching and detecting is fire & forget !!!
Pretty cool stuff man. Great compilation and though there is much more going on than what the vid depicts, it still makes me proud to be an American with sole possession of the Raptor. #StillAirSuperior 🔥👏🏼💯💪🏼🙏🏼🇺🇸🌎🏆
From what I read is that the F-117 was shot down by "Mark-one eyeball" meaning a luck shot. SAM operators often did this to avoid being detected. I'll find the exact quote and provide it in a few minutes.
Nu final do vídeo se o F22 fizesse a manobra que o Su35 fez , ele se partiria no meio igual um aviãozinho de papel , o titulo desse vídeo deveria ser "Aviões russos humilhando aviões americanos"
If you notice it takes the Su-35 time to build into that initial climb straight up in the air.. where as the F22 it immediately climbed right from takeoff..
In this exercise Cope Taufan 2014, from my information with the air force guy who was involve in this exercise, he said the Su30mkm with latest khibiny SAP 518 ECS was successfull to distort F22 Raptor and F15 Eagle radar to malfunction, both figthers radar cannot locate the exact Su30mkm location. The Malaysian Su30mkm using Russian radar integrated with French avionic and devices was successfull to detect F22 stealth figther more than 100km away even Raptor is in stealth mode, that why Raptor 5 gen figther and F15 was lock and killed. This is the point why the American bring their Raptor here in Malaysia to learn and test the Raptor vs Russian Technology which modified and integrated by the Malaysian with French avionic. Malaysian Su30mkm Avionic is much different from Russian Su30 series, Su30mkm is the only Russian made figther jet which was integrated with US and NATO weapons systems. Malaysian has made a lot of modifications to their Mig29N and Su30mkm from the standard Mig29 series and Su30 series without Russian acknowlegment, all integration and modificaton has been done by their local experties. That way they so worry to send their Mig29N back to Russian for upgrade.
Awesome stuff. Man, that Raptor is a beast! I remember when I first saw it perform at an airshow about 5 years ago and the maneuvers were pretty basic, maybe a few hard tight radius turns and high AoA and maybe a few other tough ones. But then I see these more recent ones and they've certainly added and improved to their repertoire with some great maneuvers! Can't wait to see it again this summer!
There is a BIG difference between a 4th and 5th Generation Jets! a newer SU-50 is a 5th Generation aircraft on another hand, just like the F-22! Now That would be a great comparison!
Su 35 radar sees more powerful, more advanced Optoelectronic station OLS 35 (allows leveling stealth) .Su30 better armed, and can act as a command of the aircraft ...
Stormsquad Some There is a misconception that apart from Russian aircraft Supermaneuverability nothing .. It is a myth ... For example Su 35 is designed for long-range missile combat. Can detect and engage targets at a distance of 100-400 aircraft missiles km P77, ks172, and at a range of 30 -90 km using OLS-35, not irradiating the target (not giving out the attack) ... + Irbis radar interference can put interior ha rate. .. as show trials detuning to interference make it difficult ... Supermaneuverability wrapper and a publicity stunt.
Actually it is not used in battle only because it costs to much. But it provides such a good base to model new jets off of it turned out to be useful for a future aspect. Its massive price is one reason why no one can argue that it isn't the best. Anyone who says there is a better jet really doesn't know what they're talking about and/or are bias.
I think its all about the pilot that makes the outcome of an airbattle. No matter what aircraft you got if you dont have experience you`re as good as dead. Thats my point of view ofcourse.
+Ingrid1983 Any real pilot as opposed to the arm chair type would agree. I hope for the sake of humanity we; never have to find out in a real fight. The outcome regardless will be catastrophic for most of mankind.
Great !! However, some sequences were the SU-30 with canards would be beneficial only the SU-35 without canards is shown (eg. the min.radius loop, where the canard-version would perform much better then the one showed).
F-22s by design is still an energy fighter in which the huge wing area will indicate superior lift compared to the Su's plus can sustain high G turns without bleeding much airspeed. The Su's swept wing by its characteristics will bleed energy on higher speed dogfights. US fighter planes F-15,F-16 and F-22s use delta shape wings and will sustain turns without losing much airspeed inconjuction with superior thrust to weight ratio. F-15s and F-22s also have low wing loading and with full AA armaments its performance is not hindered as much compared to the Su design. With the SU, those armament hanging off the wings will not help. High wing loading changes its flight envelope under high G maneuvers. More weight on the wings = more effects on gravity and drag = lesser agility & will bleed speed. Each time is see these thrust vectoring maneuvers, the Su's likes to drop its tail. It kind of pauses.
I watched a documentary on the f22, it wasn't our best plane. It was enormously expensive, didn't have communication capabilities and requires 30 hours of maintenance for every 1 hour of flight. That's why the program was cancelled and they moved towards the f35. But, these were developed in the 90's, technology and computing has come so far. I've been told that the US is moving towards the future of air combat with drones as their primary fighters. Drones that can out maneuver and out perform any existing aircraft, period! Drones that can stay airborne for a full week at a time.
agility Su-35 win. because of the large RCS Su-35 should be careful when facing F-22 from long distance, but if it is a dogfight, F-22 will lost because of the less missile can it carry.
Obviously dogfights are going to be rare with the f-22 taking out the enemy long before visual recognition, and its not about the amount of missiles its about the effectiveness of a single one, like a sniper against a machine gun.....
The number of missile it carries is not so important when B-1 bombers behind the F-22 can carry hundreds of missiles which a F-22 can use to target opponents; I doubt that a dog fight will ever happen but if it could the F-22 could hold it's own.
Josh Johnson Man, you are basing your comment on looks and prejudice, not on specs and facts. The two planes have never met outside a combat simulation on a computer. This video is probably the best attempt to compare them. F-22 has overkill engines, but it's aerodynamics is clearly lacking when compared to SUs. I hope the two planes never meet in real combat except as a simulation in some kind of a sporting event. For some reason, it is always the US government that declines the proposal, and not the Russian one.
@@DmitryShulga1977 Clearly lacking? I didn't see much difference in the aerodynamics between them. Yes the Russian fighters turned slightly better but I have seen the F-22 turn better in other videos then it did in this one. Not better than the Russian fighters I mean better then it did in this one. If the two ever met in actual combat the F-22 clearly has the advantage at long distance and as far as close up goes, there really isn't an advantage for either aircraft. Would come down to the situation and pilots. Declines what proposal? What are you talking about?
@@t74guard78 f-22 radar is slightly better, true. Russian missiles have longer range, provided those have been installed before the plane takes off. Same is true for f-22, it might be eqipped with air-to-ground weapons. The whole thing gets much more complicated when you think about an actual combat situation. I hope we never get to find out, though, but i know for a fact that f-22 and f-35 pilots are instructed not to get close to a su-35.
The F-22 was designed from the onset to engage only air to air, but at the last minute they added some A2G capability, hence in 2005 they actually called it the F/A-22 to highlight its A2G role, but decided to put it back to F-22,, regardless, it is still able to carry 2 2000lbs bombs for minor A2G missions. The F-22 is also designed to operate with or without support. The APG-77 radar acts as a mini AWACS detecting aircraft at well over 300 kms
F22 pilots try so hard to make it do a cobra or dance around like the MIG/SU and they just can't, those Russian fighters are incredible, the US fighters are incredibly expensive - not much else!
Yeah incredible airshow jets and not much else. As far as combat jets go they are alright. I have seen the F-22 do cobras exactly like the Russians jets do. I saw little difference in the jets shown in this video. Yes the Russian jets turned slightly better in this video but I have seen the F-22 turn better then it did in this video, in other videos. It appears the Russian jets have a slight advantage in maneuverability but not enough to be a game changer. In the hands of a F-22 pilot I don't see them having to much trouble staying behind Russian fighters in a dogfight or vice versa. Besides all these fancy airshow tricks have no place in an air battle. To slow and would do nothing more than make them a big fat, slow moving target to blow out of the sky. It's been well know ever since man started fighting in the air with planes that he who has the most energy in a fight generally wins. That is a fact not an opinion. As far as US fighters being incredibly expensive and not much else goes, REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! On what deserted island have you been stuck on for the last 40 years? I guess having the best radars, sensors, engines, pilot situational awareness and of course stealth is nothing else? Wow would hate to hear what you actually consider something else. In that case Russian fighters don't have anything.
It doesn't matter. Things tend to get shot down in simulators like that because pilots are sometimes skilled enough to win a dogfight. Just because plane A beats Plane B doesn't mean plane A is better.
So basically by the time we really need to worry about the SU-35 then we'll have Gen 6 aircraft's in production along with a fleet of Generation 5's too while they'll be still producing the SU-35. I mean for all the talk about how great it is it's still just a prototype and they haven't even started mass producing them yet or they're barely starting to produce them. And with Russia's money problems I'm sure they'll be able to spit a highly advanced aircraft like that out in the 2's and 3's. It's got to cost them nearly as much as our Raptor costs us and we're not hurting financially near as much as they are.
Generation 6? What's their specialty? Will generation 6 even exist? Generation 5 is mainly stealth. +No the Russian economy is doing better than the US, Russia: 1% debt USA: 108% debt of 16 trillion USD. LOL!
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If you watched the FULL red flag version (not cut-out) then you ought of heard the fellow say that IAF guys weren't very experienced with the aircraft. Later he says that once they get to know the aircraft better they'd be able to take out F15 & F16's on a regular basis. Su-30 jets aren't meant to fight 5th gen stealth aircraft like raptor, the PAK FA is in the works for that purpose. From Su-27 all the way to Su-37 they all have differences they're not just the same plane, just the basic frame.
as a whole, it not depends only on the capability of the aircraft but more on who the pilot is piloting the aircraft. Try both loaded with weapons, missiles. How is the performance yaa. Hehehe
I think the su-35 have a slight advantage in agility. That's about it. The F-22 has everything else. Rador , stealth, range ect... In a real combat F22 win everytime.
Understood. It's actually more common than you might think that the "missile will go ballistic straight off the bat." That's what a "mark-one eyeball" shot is. It's been nice chatting with you w/o going into the YT rages that are often seen here. C ya around.
I did some searching and there's is some crediblity to what you claim, but I think he also was aware of where the F-117 was going to fly, which made his job easier. Other factors came into play, which the quote I cited earlier also acknowledged: "On the particular night of the F-117 shootdown, 27 March 1999, Zoltán Dani broke his own ruleset. He had information about unfavourable Adriatic weather conditions and Serbian spies residing near Italian NATO airbases informed the Serbian Air
In ghost combat, the settings where the tests were conducted are questionably biased and of course only simulated, BVR engagements have throughout history been immensly over estimated and it only takes a new brakethrough in avionics for the hunter to become the hunted. Dogfights is the only true safecard when it comes to deadly fighter on fighter outcome and history have time and time again reminded us that that is the case. The F22 is 30 years in the making without a single conflict to prove it's worth and the gap between it and the ''Super eagle'' F15 is closing every day.
@@benzz4109 The F-22 is 1980s technology, no and there's isn't enough of them to make an impact. They also have limited range and are very dependent on tankers.
The fact is that important maneuvers such as the high speed closed turn, the smallest possible turn or the vertical ascent, the F22 has seemed to me much, much more agile than the SU
Wins what? Oh yeah greatest airshow jet. I agree. But I am sure you know that a combat jet is a totally different breed of aircraft. In that relm the F-22 clearly reins supreme as the king of the skies. No question about that.
I found this, which backs up your statement, and is partly acknowledged in the citation that I provided earlier: On the particular night of the F-117 shootdown, 27 March 1999, Zoltán Dani broke his own ruleset. He had information about unfavourable Adriatic weather conditions and Serbian spies residing near Italian NATO airbases informed the Serbian Air Defence HQ about lack of EA-6 Prowler electronic jammer
F22 is no better than the f 16. SU 30 has much more than it except for stealth. People comment on f22 more because of its look. I like the SU-xx family 1000x more.
The F-22 is far more controlled than the SU, In the high alpha pass the F-22 simply stays in control the entire time. The SU's weight pulls it back up to almost 90 before the nose loses control. The SU is a great aircraft but, it has a ton of uncontrolled flight, whereas the F-22 is in complete control through all of its maneuvers.
This compares low speed and high angle of attack manoeuvrability. There might be times when that becomes very important, but all they do with it right now, is airshow displays. The F22 has stealth and supercruise. Given time the Russians will get supercruise. We've had supersonic since the '60s, but mostly, nobody uses it. Being able to supercruise is an advantage, sure, but are the pilots any more likely to use it? In odd cases, here and there, perhaps, but mostly, they'll stay subsonic for the same reason they have since the '60s. Stealth - how good is it? Against radar as it is now, very good. But you can go back to the older long wave radar like they had in the '40s & '50s, and some of the fine detail goes out of the picture, but suddenly all the 'stealth' aircraft appear again. For much less money, you can revise 4th gen aircraft to be much stealthier. They're not as good as an F22, sure, but they cost 1/4 as much. The Super Hornet and Silent Eagle programs are what I'm thinking of. I do believe an F22 is better than either, but is it 4 times better? Would you be better off with 100 Raptors or 400 Silent Eagles?
i respect your oppinion,every one has its own oppinion like you and me!!! you think one way i think the other way!!! thats what makes us diffrent!!! but the fact is that Australia is saying that the westrn aircraft are inferieur then russian based Sukhoi.
