This the main advantage of the F-35 and F-22 in Combat maneuvers. Having the weapons internally reduce drag. NONE OF THE MIGS AND SUKHOIS can do the same maneuver like they did on an AIRSHOW with external pylons loaded with missiles and fuel.
Jay Cavanaugh Fighters like F-18E has higher turn rate at lower speeds which is the opposite for F-16 and F-15 www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=19308&sid=46db66c96e9be142336ab02bf3c234dd&mode=view Original source (non-English) suomenkuvalehti.fi/jutut/kotimaa/suomella-vahvat-ilmavoimat-mutta-kuinka-kauan/ Frisian Flag 2012 exercises in Holland, Finnish F-18Cs gets 100 kills and 6 loses against Eurofighter (Germany, UK), Polish new F-16 and older F-16 planes (Norway, Belgium) and Gripen (Swedish) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bu8G5ABHKc8.html Around 1 :09:51, RAAF commander mentioned how the Super Hornet had a positive kill ratio in excess of 20 to 1 against the Alaska aggressors F-16 in an exercise in Australia more than a year ago. Both Fins and Aussies mauled F-16s.
The Air Force/Marine variants I believe are 9G. The Navy one is 7.33 due to the fact that they had to "picture frame" (aka. do a kind of dilation) the wings in order for it to take off successfully. At least, that's what I remember.
Navy fighters are in general more limited in Gs due to having folding wingtips to save space on a carrier. Limiting max G is more in the interest of reducing stress on the folding wingtips, which are slightly more delicate due to the extra moving parts. It does not mean the airframe isn't capable of 9G. One example is the F/A-18, which despite being limited to approx 7G, can still achieve 10G maneuvers at the flip of a switch.
wow starting to look like this fighter is alot more agile than everyone expected also there just now starting to open her up. I think this plane in the next couple of years is going to be the most agile fighter the US has ever built except for the f22.
The Jet was capable of such maneuvers all along. It was software limited from doing them. All they have to do is update the software on 5th gen jets and bam, new capability. 4th gen jets like the F-15, F-16 would have had to replace physical parts
The software can only make use of what the mechanical setup is capable of. Software cannot change what metal is in the wind. The f35 is no different to 4th gen in those respects. The gradual improvement of software capability in the f35 we have seen in regards to handling aspects is as you say, from gradually completing tests and de-limiting the command laws of the jet to allow the pilots to actually use the performance safely. Software improvements even for 4th gens actually goes on for a long time after the jets have been in operational service because they continually test and look for flaws in the performance that an operational pilot might find themselves in. For example, asymmetric loadouts while doing certain maneuvers at certain altitudes to see if any instability results, and to test if the software needs updates to be able to avoid loss of control/ability to regain control. Theres actually a great documentary called 'spin doctors' about this very subject. Check it out! /watch?v=gLxK3maZqiA
Joel Humphreys they are all getting the block 4f upgrades right now. They will now be limited to 9g's and will be upgraded to drop or deploy additional ordinance.
My favorite part is at 0:55 going 1:02. Same thing happened again at 2:20 to 2:25. F-35 flies slow and then puts on full afterburners. You CAN SEE the speed difference. I can't imagine the oomph there is for the pilot. "Energy" is everything in a combat aircraft and that was shown here today. AMAZING!!!
Pierre Spray and Russian call the f35 a Duck, it's a hell of a duck though..its a stealth radar evading duck. That Russian and Chinese trying there best to copy
F-35A Block 3F configuration has arrive since December 2017. www.luke.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/1386133/lukes-newest-amu-supports-f-35-program/ "The unit is the first Luke F-35 AMU to receive a 3F, or full-up, combat aircraft capable of pulling 9G’s in the air." The next configuration is F-35A Block 4.
how is another jet going to get a radar lock on the F35 at close range if its stealth even then hows another jet going to get close enough without being shot down first lol.
High wing loading and poor energy state throughout the envelope. Hopefully the technology wins the day. The Russians are still gong for the opposite. Hope we don’t get to see who wins.
It's 9G with unknown G margin before G limit. F-18E has 7.5G with 0.5 G margin before G limit. F-18E's G limit can be disabled for 10G but it's results equals more work for the ground crews.
It's the same with every fighter. The difference is in the acceleration when loaded, which is what makes the F-35 a more capable dogfighter than say, an F-16.
Definitely in agility F-35 is better than mig-29 and 35, with full flight envelope at least compatible to su-35. But in systems and electronics lightning is for decades ahead than russians and chinees!! Live long and prosper.
The Air Force sends a fully operational F-35, not a stripped down plane to these air shows. These F-35's you see at an air show may be sent into combat the very next day as they are combat operational aircraft from squadrons.
Blob B A laser? SO how does a laser track a moving object behind an aircraft that's trying to get out of the way of the missile? Yeah OK chump get back to watching star trek. Also how is this laser powered? To get up to 2kw you need about 300A and 3 phase voltage. Great to see you've done your homework...................like an idiot American.
F35 will be a great plane.Pierre Sprey have done his best to destroy F35, but we see clearly that Lockheed Martin sure knows what they are doing.A great multi role jet.
Time and again in this video you can see the air compression induced water vapor trails created at the wing-roots of the F-35. This tells me that there is a tremendous amount of lift being created by the F-35's body. Pierre Sprey always bemoans the "wing loading" of the F-35 but he never mentions how the "body", & "wing root/chines" generated lift can offset the higher wing loading issues he constantly cries about. When you use a lifting body it effectively increases the wing area, a fact he likes to gloss over so he can wax poetic about the supposed flaws of the F-35...
Tore Henning Aasen Pierre Spray is a liar. First off he was an analyst. He has lied with his credentials non stop and what I don't understand is he goes on shows and no one challenges him. He was on the team that set the SPECS for the planes that were then designed. He never designed them. He hasn't been in the business in decades. He still thinks in old school terms which do not apply to today's weapon systems or current threat environments. If anything is a Turkey it's Pierre Spray. There was a recent podcast with him and an actual F35 marine pilot who was able to give a real perspective on the aircraft and Spray looked like a moron. He was saying an F16 could easily survive in an s400 threat environment. Lol. The F35 may have its issues but once it goes into full rate production next year and the internal weapons racks get redone to carry more weapons and the final software is delivered and restrictions are lifted, this aircraft will come into its own. Once we have the numbers and full squadrons flying and actually flying missions and learning even more capabilities of the jet fighter it will get even better. Screw Pierre Spray. Let him go back to working for Russia Today and make his money from Putin.
Does the comment section realize that at airshows, airframes are stripped of unnecessary equipment and carry around 50% fuel load?, it won't perform like that when going into actual combat. F-35 will only prove itself once its in a theater of war, and i can promise you this, it won't willingly be engaging in a close range dogfight.
Of course not. Nevertheless, in most engagements they'll have already burned off quite a bit of fuel from cruising to the target location (unless its a scramble takeoff with the enemy practically on top of the airfield), and the guy probably would've shot off at least one AMRAAM before the dogfight situation arises. But yeah, it won't be as agile in combat. (i'm pretty sure the F-16s the thunderbirds fly are stripped of their internal cannon)
No aircraft performs at demos with full combat loads, for a couple of reasons, 1. The demos are to showcase for potential customers, entertaining the public is an afterthought to create hype, 2. Safety reasons. Aircraft manufacturers/operators use Redflag meets to fully stress test airframe with full combat loads.
KHETTIUS The case is different with the F-35. It performed the Paris Airshow with a full combat load with about 50% fuel(more than 9,000 pounds of fuel which is more than the F-16 with 100% fuel)
Dude there's an interview somewhere on here where the pilot who flew the F-35 display at Paris says the airframe was stripped with reduced fuel load, airshows prohibit ordinance and full fuel loads for safety reasons.
I have read back when the F-16 was still used in Top Gun that there was noticeable increase in the rate of wear on the airframes. It was found that the Top Gun instructors/opfors were pulling beyond 9gs in for few (milli)seconds before tue flight control laws kicked in to reduce the effect of the stick pull. This was because the pilots knew there were g-limiters on the plane that they no longer made themselves aware of what G they were pulling. So they pulled and pulled gs not knowing that they were spiking beyond 10gs at times. From the looks of it this 7g limitation is a lesson applied from that.
As much as the F-35 looks like it's powered by a Saturn 5 booster now, the newer engine coming offers another 10% more thrust and slightly greater range (at the same cost as this engine). Badass power. Angle of attack in beast mode power.
What makes you think those cobras and Kulbits will have any relevance in combat? If anything they'll get you killed before anything in combat. Maneuverability doesn't mean shit in combat, it's situational awareness that matters first
That isn't getting you anywhere if you can't get into a position to fire. If your maneuverability is trash, you're probably going to end up going like, "Oh look, I see the Su-35 coming down on me and now I'm dead" instead of "oh look, I'm dead and I don't know what hit me." I don't see how different the end game is between "dying and knowing why" and "dying without knowing why". If it gets down to it, situational awareness is nice, but if you don't have the maneuverability to act on it, it makes no difference.
The amount of maneuverability it has is more than enough, you don't need stupid cobras and kulbits for anything. They're useless in combat, and are suicide maneuvers if anything. That Su-35 has no chance of hitting you if he never saw what hit him in the first place
