i'm now 71yrs.old , i was able to touch the F4 Phantom when i was 18yrs.old during an Air Show held in Mactan Air Base , Philippines. sometimes in 1968. I love the F4 Phantom, it's a thing of beauty.
I'm a casual observer but I agree. My fave. love the intakes and tail section...and the upturned wingtips. The nose...not so much but overall with the nostalgia mixed in my favorite jet fighter.
In no way could it have ever competed, in performance, range, or looks with the tomcat. No other jet can even remotely compare to everyones favorite fighter. This is a slow accelerating heavy tank that turns like shit. All of those weird angled surfaces, those are because they didn’t know how to design a real fighter jet at that weight with those anemic ass engines. They designed it to overcome a serious lack of everything.
@@alphagarry5024 *Hey dude! who don't understand anything from planes, read all I wrote and learn something!* How do you live with such ignorance? F-16 block series aircraft are still the best dogfight aircraft as a middle cost aircraft beacause of physics of aircraft. that have proven themselves even today. It's so obvious that you don't understand planes... F-4 Phantoms are using it for bombing purposes in the south, even Japan, which is known for its technology today, still uses these old planes! The funny part is, I was wondering who made this comment. And german you only have the Eurofighter Typhoon as a good working dogfight aircraft, more than half of them are about to fall into disrepair (your defense minister himself admitted this). We are one of the most owner with F-16 Block planes and most of them are superior to a regular F-16 which is called block50 and50+, but you don't want to accept the German air force that is about to fall... What makes the air force strong? is not only warplanes! also logistical support and UAVS! yes UAVS, you are making fun of here about air force, you have not even one German-made UAV in the german air force! This UAVS the importance as aircrafts! This UAVS one of the advantage is If you fly a fighter jet, it's a cost of 1 in 20 for fly! and we have about 400 of them! It explores your territories or strategic location with ease, and puts the economy and rival air forces in trouble.
@@turaffalcons678 Japan doesn't use phantoms anymore and you rarely dogfight this days. Uav's are important but Germany just doesn't need them at this time I guess, they are fine with the Israeli uav's they currently have
Working the F-4 taught you how to actually diagnose and repair things. It wasn’t swapping out boxes. As a weapons person during do more with less, it was a nightmare. It held almost every munition in the inventory . We had to assist others in their jobs but due to constant recertifications , they couldn’t help us. I blew out my back (3 disks) at 21, left knee at 22 and my ignition knee at age 23. Been in pain for 38 years now. It is to me the most evil looking fighter ever made and would bite you every chance it had. Damn, I miss those days !
@@kennethbaillif5838 I was at Moody from 81-84 68th AMU crewchief. Then went to Ramstein AB Germany and was there when the last F4E left and was swapped out for the F16C
@@markallen8941 I was in the weapon’s flight of the 69th. Left there for a special duty assignment out of Nellis. Didn’t realize just how much fun I had till I left. Been back that ways recently and Bemiss Road is completely developed. They have covered parking for the jets on the flight line.
US Military should have kept at least one wing of the F-4s operational. The plane spells “intimidation” at first sight. The wing in Birmingham Alabama was a recon unit which role this plane could have done even today. The Air Force deactivated that wing decades ago. Thanks for posting.
Man the F-4 sure did love the runway. We take for granted the modern fighter jet’s disgust for staying on the ground. I think the ground roll after rotation is longer than the entire takeoff roll of most modern fighters.
@@sumchipstarchy5469I got replaced because McDonnel Douglas wanted to sell more F-15's and F-18's , instead of poweplant & avionics, flight control system upgrades on the F-4 . It was about money ( always is ) and not about being responsible with taxpayer money.
Nice to see the old gals flying. Paint schemes are reminiscent of the Phantom Pharwell of the German Air Force. I was a Crew Chief (F4-D) out of Torrejon, and flew with the Turkish during exercises at Incirlik, AB Turkey. At the time, the Turkish were also flying the Hun, F100's! Just nothing like the anhedral and dihedral surfaces! Our J79-17's smoked a bit more than the -19's of the E Model. The Israeli's did build a one off Super Phantom with PW1120 engines. It exceed Mach w/o afterburners!
I believe these phantoms are the most advanced or updated versions ever flown. I know the Turkish Air Force lost several over the last few years… not sure what happened. Would love to hear from any of the Turkish pilots who are or have flown these aircraft as to their updates and capabilities. Maybe the fighter pilot podcast could get an interview with one of the Turkish Air Force leaders about their use of the F-4 over the years and how it performs today relative to the F-16’s etc.
@@ahmettaskn5687 not really an answer to the question. Still F-4’s we’re lost. Not sure why so many were lost over the last 10 years. Maintenance, pilot error, bad luck?
@@bret9741 As an aircraft maintenance engineer I think it is bullshit but SHGM (directorate general of civil aviaton) of Turkey and TurAF command doesn't publish any crash reports. Maybe only pre-reports. They only advise operators.
@@ahmettaskn5687 thanks for the answer. That’s to bad. I’m retired now. But have thousands of hours flying for an airline in US. We publish everything unless it’s military and considered sensitive to national security. It really helps improve safely when pilots can read and learn from the accident reports.
Yes I love this aeroplane for is bad-ass looks but the F16 gets my vote for looking cool with its lovely cockpit canopy - very Jensen Interceptor rear window
They are very clean Phantoms, it's nice to see the Turkish Airforce looking after them so well. I believe they have been upgraded over the years and long may they fly and serve on the front line.
How close that tail comes to hitting the ground during takeoff. How they didn’t have massive accidents at all times… simply beyond me. And these were clean.
Oh my gosh....those takeoffs. That aircraft does NOT want to fly. But I thought the F-4E had more thrust than weight? Are they not using afterburner? They should use afterburner because that long of a takeoff run could blow out a tire....or two. Empty weight: 30,328 lb . 35,690 lbf thrust with afterburner. They could have 5,000 lbs of fuel and still climb straight up......with AB.
The F4's that we have were heavily modernized back in the day. We still use them for strike missions. There are about 30 of them left tho. Which is depressing. The F-5's on the video belong to Turkish Stars, a demo team. Apart from that they aren't used. They're still technically in service however. Most F-5's are used as jet trainers. They're modernized as well. We do have newer planes actually. We've got F-16's ranging from modernized Block 30TM's to Block 50+ aircraft. Hopefully we will see some newer planes in the future.
The F4 Phantom was a poor jet but a good stepping stone. In ‘Nam it was called North Vietnam’s best ally. It was so bad that in the 1986 Top Gun, it’s horrible stats were the reason given for the reason for the school’s existence.
The areal design of this plane with modern structural components in a Skunkworks type redeployment could hit over Mach 2 with Air Force One jet engine components. This plane updated definitely could be more than a threat to the slower radar visible current US Air to Air superior fighter Boeing F-22. Even with Langley variants of the Boeing Air Force F-22 the F-4 updated could be more than a threat and even have an Air to Air winning record considering modern sixth generation fighter jet electronic components updated to the F-4 that would make the F-22 visible to the F-4 bringing limited advantage to the Boeing F-22. Bring it on Boeing! Macdonald Douglas! D Roosevelt Room DC Amex Receipt 2 shots
They appear to be not using the afterburners for some reason. They also have all three external fuel tanks attached but they must not be full otherwise it would take a real long runway to get airborne without using the burners.
It's been a long time, but yes, the jets do stay on the runway for longer than normal after rotation. Perhaps this airfield has a high density altitude, maybe they're only in min burner, or yes, early rotation - I can't say. But contrary to a couple of comments made, they are indeed in afterburner. While it's difficult to see any afterburner plume (not unusual on a sunny day), the nozzles are wide open, so the burners are engaged.
@@rockriver2652 Hey thanks for your thoughts. I watched a few more Phantom videos and they all seem to have a bit of dwell between Vr and Vlof, but not as noticeable as in this video. I think you are right about it just being due to local atmospheric conditions, particularly as the aircraft doesn't seem to be loaded very heavily. Who did you fly F-4s with?
Lol the all the Turk haters on the comments. Btw I'm living in a city that has a secondary air base and I saw a f-4 fly by. That's a such an enormous boi :D
Hey... dude... check your history before posting, pls. IT WAS THERE. It was the primary air-superiority fighter for all three US armed forces that flew it: Air Force, Marines and Navy. So, yeah, no magic time machine needed. The Phantom already proved her capabilities quite well by actually being there.
I’m thinking that he meant to say. No gun, missile didn’t always track, and you could see it miles away just follow the smoke. They did add a gun later on. It replaced or supported the F-105. That we were using for a job that it was never designed to do. That’s why we lost half. Plus it was being managed by the White House.
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I like the Phantom, especially the F-4 in Greece. But here a message to the Turks: "Almost every day the Turks invade Greek air and sea space knowingly and presumably WITHOUT a reason, thereby violating Greek territory. The Aegean Sea and the Aegean Islands belong to Greece. The Turkish military does not want peace and peaceful coexistence. Stay where you come from, in Turkey" Greetings from a German, who lives in Greece!
And here is a message for you. No air force would invade someone else's air space for "no reason". You've been reading way too many newspapers. Aegean sea belongs to Greece? No it belongs to Turkey AND Greece. The Aegean islands belong to Turkey AND Greece. If you think otherwise, that would be imperialism. That's like saying Turkish islands are simply non existent lol. Or like saying the black sea belongs to Turkey due to some weird historical reason. The fact is we border each other, the Aegean belongs to us also. Turkish F-16's don't invade Greek air space, not worth it. You think they do, because we do not share the same views when it comes to "rights". You literally have islands that are inches away from Turkey. Imagine applying the UNCLOS there for instance. We didn't sign it for a reason. This was just one example. As long as these issues are not adressed, Tuaf will continue to "invade" your air space, your economic zones etc. And you may cry over it all you want, it won't change anything. Peace...
Türk hava kuvvetleri Yunan hava sahasını ihlala etmiyor Yunanistan 6 mil deniz sahasına 10 mil hava koridoru istiyor bu sebeple ihlal ettiğimizi söylüyor. Dünyanın hicbir yerinde 6 mil deniz alanına 10 mil hava sahası istendiği görülmemiştir ve bu bir savaş sebebidir .
