@@mitchelld.4350 you obviously have no knowledge on Rhodesia. Plus it's not named after there biggest exploiter, because it's not called 'Robert Mugabe'?
F.W.DeKlerk you insisted wisely on checks and balances to prevent the abuse of power. However you call Ian Smith an extremist he insisted of the rule of law and order provided by the white minority. This is NOT to say the white minority was inherently superior but merely that their society was objectively detribalized before they settled. Additionally their society predominantly came from a Protestant background with its clear understanding of the benefit of the Separation of Powers. They confronted utterly tribal societies as Bantu speakers moved south from mid-northwest Africa. This is NOT to say the white's response in the 1948 election was appropriate but merely that African tribal groupings inevitably faced massive social upheaval in a more compressed timeframe than 2000+ years of European history, especially noting the impact of the Roman Empire. Things such as this whites in Africa implicitly knew and were thus afraid of so-called majority rule because they feared the persistence of African tribal structures interfering with the efficient governance of the nation states established by colonial rule. Again this is not to say white rule was inherently superior but that civil society begins where tribalism ends.
@Ricardo, your write up sounds intellectual until you realise that the African countries are NOT organic countries created by agreement between local people like the 1707 treaty for creation of United kingdom or the 1648 declaration of independent Netherlands by local Dutch warriors from Spain. African countries were created in a conference in Berlin by one Bismarck, partitioned as it pleased Europeans colonialists no African rep what so ever. What you call tribes is actually nations, yes nations, some are as small as Luxembourg or Estonia in Europe or Nauru or Tahiti in the Pacific. Some are big like the Zulu nation the Kiswahi, the Hausa nation, Ashanti nation, Igbo nation, Matabele and many more. Many of these nations are bigger than England in land mass & population. Berlin conference cut the Hausa nation into 6 countries 52% in Nigeria; 20% in Niger; 5% in Benin; 7% in Togo; 3% in Tchad; 6% in Burkina Faso population estimates. Your fellow Hausa brothers same culture, language, mannerisms but different country, but a Matabele and Xhosa different in every cultural sense but same country. That's the dilemma Africans are confronting. Hausas should actually be one country. Same for kiswahili some Kenya, others in Tanzania, Uganda, Somalia and so on. Kiswahili should be one country like Germany or France with unique language, food, clothing and so on. I agree that was an era of conquest, this era now is about correcting conquest that makes no sense. Otherwise Hitler's conquest will be justified too. If you cut part of France, add a little Spain to it, and part of eastern Germany then bring a Spanish ruler called the country EUROPIA. there will be conflicts and affiliation to national roots, which you call tribalism. It happened in Yugoslavia before the country fell apart. Berlin conference raped the African continent no though. Just like you have, Scottish tribe, Spanish tribe, English tribe same way you have Matabele tribe, Kiswahili tribe, nothing wrong with that. If Tutsi had their country and Hutus had their country, 1994 genocide may not have happened. There have not being an inter country conflict in Africa yet, except when white South Africans invaded Angola in 1976, and Tanzania soldiers chased away Idi Adim without hurting the people in 1979. Countries like South Africa, Congo DRC, Nigeria, Sudan etc are mere creation of colonization. Africans are actually managing a chaos created by Berlin conference. I am sure you know that Scottish tribe and English tribe don't necessarily agree always, latter wants Brexit while former wants to stay in EU. Ofcourse Africans intellectuals can do better than they currently doing no doubt.
@ACEONE true black have broken many academic records in one of the highest world rated universities and black perform more than whites statistical proven were don't need people who use old propaganda to make racist remarks which 💯 percent are you talking about
I salute FW De Klerk for reading the writing on the wall. Sanctions, International Pressure towards the black majority rule rendered the country ungovernable. Wisdom pointed towards checks and balances, institutions, like chapter 9 and other elements to control and manage the edge or temptation of abuse of power by the new democratic government. The ANC government with its huge support could change the Constitution and create anarchy. Thanks to Nelson Mandela and the majority of the leadership, it was an option that they would not consider. Nelson Mandela and FW De Klerk deserve the Nobel Prize for Peace.
That is an interesting analogy, actually. Both had very good and noble intentions, but in the end, other people ruined their work and turned their countries into crapholes.
There was a white South African that worked for me in the mid 80s. He felt that De Klerk was a traitor who sold out his people. He was in the SA air force and worked on Mirage jets.
@@lidaplunt4753 What do you think Zimbabwe would be like today if the Europeans hadn't arrived? No Harare (nobody even lived there before Europeans set up Fort Salisbury) No Bulawayo No Masvingo (Fort Victoria) Because of European healthcare and Europeans forcing you to stop tribal infighting, the black population skyrocketed. Without European intervention, there would only be around 500,000 people in Zimbabwe today. Let's not pretend that Europeans give Zimbabwe the blueprints for a modern nation, which Mugabe foolishly decided to ignore. Black people are awake, yes, awake to the mess that Mugabe and ZANU-PF have caused.
@@Jarmint what is the point of having Harare infrastructure and technology when we oppressed when only a handful of people actually own things in Africa.sytematic racism is designed to keep black people mentally and financially enslaved.The fact that you think having stuff you can't benefit own or use is an advantage just proves that your way of thinking is limited.
@@lidaplunt4753 If black people did not develop or benefit whatsoever from the development of the land after Europeans came in, Zimbabwe wouldn't exist; it would devolve back into several tribes that don't have writing systems warring each other, and there would only be 500,000 people there instead of 14 million. Get some sense.
@Jarmint what would have happen to Europe if Moores would haven't invaded the iberique and ruled it for over 800 years. You would have vanished due to black plague and the rest of you going back to live in the cave. check the most visited monument in spain who has builded them.
While ancient Rhodesia was a major exporter of agricultural products, 80% of the food needed today is imported. The brutal eviction of white farmers - Appaling crimes even on white Children- and their staff by the arsonist gangs activated by the Mugabe regime led to the displacement and misery of tens of thousands of agricultural workers
Wheat,tobacco and maize production are record highs right now,the process was bad but what do you expect from rebels but they will succeed with time just like the whites did Also Rhodesia used the Blacks as labour/a resource not as citizens
So Mr De Klerk, I wonder what your views about the abuse of power are now, and how is that working out for all south africans and more importantly, the economy and future for the South Africa at present?
there where many times that Ian Smith came to an agreement in negotiations during and before the bush war but they where accepted at first and rejected later in the bush war there was during the first negotiations a plan/treaty put forward that the Rhodesian gov and British gov agreed on and all terrorist/rebels accepted(for it gave what they sought) only Mugabe would not agree
id say both were, but De Klerk is right in the sense than a deal could've been struck when ZANU and ZAPO weren't really in a position to dictate terms. Ian Smith was in many regards a hardliner with inflexible policies that contrary to what people believe, were often in direct opposition with western values.
@ian hall The context of that comment was that just because a peoples in the majority, then they should rule. That is where the 1000 years came in. He did not declare civil War.....the Terrorist War was already 4/5 years old when Smith made the comment. Nkomo et al started it (Mugabe finished it),when they attacked and killed defenceless farmers in Centenary......what was the Rhodesians supposed to do....sit back and watch?
Use the whole qoute ffs "...I repeat I believe in blacks and whites working together. If one day it is white and the next day it is black, I believe we have failed and it will be a disaster for Rhodesia."
That is the most quoted out of context comment. He believed in eventual equal cooperation between white and black once the blacks had developed a healthy middle class and had become educated enough. It takes time to build a western country out of nothing, you know! Now Zimbabwe is in ruins - much like the Zimbabwe Ruins, simply because Britain and Mugabe's terrorists got impatient
Britain promised Southern Rhodesia that they would be an independent commonwealth like Australia, Canada, New Zealand and South Africa after WW2. They turnes their back on Rhodesia and instead favoured communists. Britain are the traitors of Rhodesia. South Africa then turned their back on Rhodesia in hope of them being more included in the International and African community (which is ironic considering South Africa was way worse to their bIacks than Rhodesia ever was) Than that sell-out De Klerk came into power and sold his people, the same people who faught on that land, died on that land, lived on that land for centuries, built the roads, the schools, the hostipals etc. Now look at South Africa and Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) today. De Klerk was a fool and he couldn't care less about his OWN PEOPLE.
Mr.De Klerk you are going to go to heaven - you help your beautiful South Africa where liberty and justice for all. God and the Americans love you. You believe in liberty and equality and like all Afrikaaners the love God first before man.
That is a good white man an intelligent man. If only Smith was not too selfish whites in Zimba could have lived in peace and success. Black majority in Zimba loved whites.
@@SymphonyBrahmswhy not? I am a proud descendant of European settlers and I have seen absolutely nothing from the black people of South Africa that would make me respect them.
