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F1 Engine Valves - A Closer Look - Ep 19 

Brian Garvey
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Ep 19 where we take a look at the Formula One Engine Valves.
Found a pair of valves on the shelf which in turn resulted in an unexpected episode that turned out a bit longer than intended...
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@maisteer
@maisteer Год назад
Word at BMW was that they put a lot of their knowledge gained from the F1 program into the development of the S1000RR motorcycle. Which might explain a bit why it was way ahead of the competition when it was first released in 2009 - despite BMW never making a bike in that class before.
@donr62
@donr62 Год назад
And copied the Suzuki GSX-R1000K5
@rafaellastracom6411
@rafaellastracom6411 Год назад
Sure but keep in mind BMW was always in a class by themselves when it came to extracting every kernel of power out of a NA engine. They are able to achieve stratospheric BMEP's from a given volume throughout a wider band than anyone else, Porsche included.
@donr62
@donr62 Год назад
@@rafaellastracom6411 How are they a class above any other 200+hp litre bike today?
@donr62
@donr62 Год назад
@@maisteer I was referring to the whole bike. It was well reported at the time that they used the Suzuki as a reference for the design.
@rafaellastracom6411
@rafaellastracom6411 Год назад
@@donr62 They don't give up torque in the low to mid range like everybody else. Suzuki comes close with their cam phaser but everybody else has little down low. Apart from the Shift-Cam system BMW always seems to be able to generate high BMEP's just about everywhere in the rev range. Their handle of combustion efficiency is a step ahead of everyone, including my beloved Honda.
@Dane33781
@Dane33781 9 месяцев назад
I really appreciate you making videos like this. I have enough machine tools to make almost anything I want to and your videos are fuel for my imagination. Thank you.
@JC-gw3yo
@JC-gw3yo 24 дня назад
Dirty hands are a brand of honor..... Thank you working man
@shoominati23
@shoominati23 Год назад
I knew a guy who used to go 'fishing' with the sodium filled valves off of WW2 radial engines. He would take a hacksaw with him and cut a nick into the valve stem and then fling them into the lake, and collect the resultant dead fish that popped up to the surface. This was like 60 years ago so there was no EPA or anything like that to spoil the fun.
@beachboardfan9544
@beachboardfan9544 Год назад
8 Hr long vid! Yes please!
@pjay3028
@pjay3028 9 месяцев назад
Great job of keeping the video down to 20 minutes 😂😂 But who wants a 20 minute video from you, I'd prefer 2 hours! Great videos, thanks so much.
@rafaellastracom6411
@rafaellastracom6411 Год назад
Any chance you can do a short video on general issues of valve construction types? I understand there have been attempts at valves with both hollow stems and heads being welded together. Love to pick your brain on the matter.
@kevinstanzl8189
@kevinstanzl8189 9 месяцев назад
Hi Brian, big thanks for the channel very informative and like a modern RU-vid version of the Carroll Smith's books
@EngineeredtoWin
@EngineeredtoWin 9 месяцев назад
Glad you like them Kev!
@SysOpQueen
@SysOpQueen Год назад
Thanks mate! Great video!
@LoudandProudBSE
@LoudandProudBSE Год назад
I have a set of titanium Delwest valves sitting here out of an R07.. 2.200 x 6.080 with a 6mm stem. Interestingly the tulip is DLC coated but not the stems. Amazing they've got these big 2.20 head valves on 6mm stems as well.
@camshaftcasting1451
@camshaftcasting1451 2 месяца назад
Hi Brian. For interest. 1997 Jaguar AJ-V8 has 35mm intake valves with 5mm valve stems. I think your R1200GS standard intake valve is 36:5 mm. Real "penny on a stick" territory. Maybe 7:1 is *about* the limit for production road engine valves.
@sparky60ful
@sparky60ful Год назад
Nice video again! Thanks! Colsibro is the valve guide material. A copper nickel silicon alloy. I make watch cases from titanium, Grade 2, so almost pure. One time I had it burning in the chiptray of the lathe! btw I use carbide cutting tools meant for aluminium to machine titanium. This works very well.
@th600mike3
@th600mike3 3 месяца назад
Thanks for sharing the info! I was curious if you knew if Colsibro or any other copper alloy was enough to prevent galling? I would guess modern f1 is just using DLC etc coated Ti valves?
@sparky60ful
@sparky60ful 3 месяца назад
@@th600mike3 I don't know that.
@user-jt6nv8ds4m
@user-jt6nv8ds4m Год назад
Very interesting
@n4thawin
@n4thawin 20 дней назад
That ridge is for fuel not air. Everything otherwise was correct
@MrCrabbing
@MrCrabbing Год назад
Fantastic thanks I guess Titanium would be tricky to weld too, it would have to be done with inert gas
@rolandtamaccio3285
@rolandtamaccio3285 Год назад
Del West, friction welds their valves, NASA accepts their procedure .
@zactrimble4343
@zactrimble4343 Год назад
minus the step on the inlet valve and the retainer groove surprised how normal the valves are. Pretty standard for most modern engines to have a 6mm stem or smaller that's waisted towards the tip and titanium replacements are getting very common in the aftermarket industry as well they aren't even expensive anymore
@Stoo48
@Stoo48 Год назад
Many years ago when working for an engine company East of Ireland we experimented with ceramic valves (not an F1 application). They didn't spend too long looking and never seen them in any application since
@pistonburner6448
@pistonburner6448 3 месяца назад
Might as well test wooden valves! 😂
@Johns51
@Johns51 Год назад
So is the groove proud of the surface or machined Into the surface on the inlet valve
@ThePreverbial
@ThePreverbial Месяц назад
I wonder if that grove on the inlet valve has an anti-reverse effect. I suspect it would have more of an anti-reverse flow, effect increasing low rpm torque.
@daledavies2334
@daledavies2334 17 дней назад
AR groove is machined in the combustion chamber side of the intake valves.
@maxrothery9196
@maxrothery9196 Год назад
A lot of modern engines (+90s) have 6mm valve stems, eg the 2JZ and Ford Duratec have 6mm valve stems
@tiitsaul9036
@tiitsaul9036 Год назад
Thanks. Very interesting. Does your BMW bike intake valves have these flow separation grooves?
@EngineeredtoWin
@EngineeredtoWin Год назад
No, however they are pretty much the same in terms of dimensions.
@mosessalazar5484
@mosessalazar5484 8 месяцев назад
😱 wondering if I'll put groves in my intake?
@user-ob5uo3mh9y
@user-ob5uo3mh9y Год назад
Brian, please increase volume on your vídeos even if you don't have new microphone, it's hard to hear you... it's not about about audio quality but about audio volume for me.. And stop excusing yourself in every introduction, your vídeos area amazing, get straight to the point, i don't like to scrawl first 1/4 of video listening you explaining the cannel every time. This being said keep the good work up it's amazing content ❤ Keep it up ❤
@EngineeredtoWin
@EngineeredtoWin Год назад
Explaining the channel will always be done on each video since not everyone watches them all, or may be new viewers. Regards, Brian,
@shankswrc3509
@shankswrc3509 Год назад
Really nice video! One question, what are the valve seat angles, the common 45 degrees, or is something special? See you at the next one, Thanks!
@1crazypj
@1crazypj Год назад
It's been known since the 1950's that a 30 degree seat angle improves low lift flow but needs higher seat pressure to seal properly as it doesn't have the wedging action of a 45 seat
@V8Lenny
@V8Lenny 9 месяцев назад
50-55 I quess.
@mosessalazar5484
@mosessalazar5484 8 месяцев назад
If this valve technology is better, why they did not apply it on every engine? Does it makes engine consume fuel better? Which is bad for business for fuel producer?
@1crazypj
@1crazypj Год назад
The four valve 2.3 Ford engine from 20 years ago used 5mm valve stems (also used in Mazda B2300 pick up) This isn't relevant to video, but, have you had any problems with BMW ring gear? The pin locating starter motor was loose in a few I've worked on allowing starter motor to move slightly which destroys starter nose and ring gear. Maybe it was only on the 2014¬15 bikes? Doesn't Titanium have a melting point about double that of copper? I thought the valves were forged from a much thinner rod, more like a rivet head (Honda have been making steel valves like that for probably 40 years) I had friends in the 80's that used old Titanium bolts in knee sliders to get brilliant white sparks (usually from aircraft, there used to be an engine refurb place in Merther Tydfil)
@jamesdungan6198
@jamesdungan6198 Год назад
Shame u don't have anymore discs for sale
@MisFakapek
@MisFakapek Год назад
thanks Brian! Now I know a bit more about my Ferrari F2004 intake valve. I was also quite baffled about the purpose of the valve ridge/groove - it definitely didnt feel like anything helping with sealing. Thanks a lot!
@finlaymcdiarmid5832
@finlaymcdiarmid5832 Год назад
Is there not a corresponding ridge in the valve seat?
@EngineeredtoWin
@EngineeredtoWin Год назад
​@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 No, the ridge is just inside the seat ID.
@finlaymcdiarmid5832
@finlaymcdiarmid5832 Год назад
@@EngineeredtoWin i read a book by Alexander bell, this was a mid nineties edition and it talked of the ridge you described and how you could machine it in etc, with a corresponding ridge on the valve seat. Is this the same idea? Probably. Would you recommend his books?
@EngineeredtoWin
@EngineeredtoWin Год назад
@@finlaymcdiarmid5832 No ridge on seat in this case.
@321-Gone
@321-Gone Год назад
Gooood videeoo agaaain. 20 minutes LOL 9:37 - 14;25 - not sodium filled, got it
@jguth6
@jguth6 Год назад
agree. so so much rambling.
@kyleschrader1390
@kyleschrader1390 2 месяца назад
Honestly this video doesn’t do the whiteness of the spark justice. Much whiter without a screen to look through. Really you are supposed to have some lighter weld lenses if your looking at titanium sparks for extended periods
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