gtc1961 Co of the ship was most likely on the Bridge. This was the squadron Commander as indicated by the 1 on the cranial..flight deck helmet not to be confused with flight helmet. This incident happened real fast and very unlikely the COmpf the ship could clear the bridge, change into a flight suit and make it to the helicopter that quickly.
All the hugging and genuine concern for their well-being. Brotherly love is a real thing in the military. Those guys were so happy that the pilots were safe.
In 1986, Ensign Strobel was the O.I.C. of myself and two other S.R. as we were all going to our first ship, USS New Orleans LPH-11. He was great! We traveled all over the far east trying to catch the ship which was out on deployment, we were all brand new, first time overseas, know one was expecting us and know one knew what to do with us! He made sure we all were safe, fed, got paid and sleeping quarters for us...even though it was a USMC Tent city Okinawa Japan in the winter. Thanks Mr. Stroble glad you were safe!!!! FC1(SW) Charles Skibbe III USN 85-96
CSKIBB67. Hello sir.Was the USS New Orleans the carrier that was in the movie "Apollo 13". I can't remember the name of the ship that was actually on station during the April 1970 Apollo 13 mission??? I was fortunate enough to meet a bunch of astronauts in the 70s.Including the crew of the actual Apollo 13 plus Ken Mattingly who was replaced by Jack Sweigert a mere week or so before launch.He was fully qualified to fly that mission.Anyhow,I talk to much.Thank u for your service. Best wishes to u from me in Canada. 🤔🤔🙂🙂🙂😊😊.
I was in Perth Australia in 1995 as a missionary. We went on a tour and ran into a A church member who invited us to have Thanksgiving on board The USS New Orleans. It was nice to have a taste of home being so far away.
Yes, USS New Orleans (LPH-11) was he helo carrier that was used in the film. Her sister ship, USS Iwo Jima (LPH-2), the actual ship that picked up the Apollo 13 crew, had already been decommissioned and designated for scrapping by the time production of the film had taken place.
These guys n gals, in my book are LEGENDS!!!..All who are involved, to make everything happen!,They work as a TEAM!From the cleaners to the Admiral!Their service, dedication n sacrifice in preserving our safety ,security freedom,shared values and way of life is very much appreciated by myself n my family.Cheers n thank you to your dad and all who have served,and those currently serving in the Mighty USA Military!!BIG RESPECT...P.S I have recently had the honour n privilege to watch The Last Man on the Moon movie and to listen to Captain Commander Gene Cernan of the Apollo10 and Apollo 17 NASA moon missions and his good buddy Mike "Baldy" Baldwin ,Hall of Fame AVIATOR with over a 1000 carrier landings speak after the movie .These guys are real heros!!!Best Wishes to you n yours from West OZ
in reply to jaydi walta - (sorry I'm commenting under my sister's account - I don't have a FB acct) this wasn't fake - I was the RIO on that flight. The pilot gets off of the helo and greets the skipper - I was right behind him getting off with a smashed up shoulder and collarbone. Starboard engine just disintegrated during supersonic dash. Fortunately we climbed away from the water and slowed to subsonic before we punched out.
@@thomasschakow6465 I’m guessing it over-heated after a malfunction inside and had a complete melt down. After pushing the jet to go supersonic, the engine gave way. I’m probably wrong but thats what I think happened.
Mark Robertson Glad you are here to tell the tale. Just curious we’re you in an F-14 A or later model. This question is related to the instability of the A model engines. Just curious
That is a perfect example of the Plane Guard in action. The Plane Guard is active with flight operations and for about 99% of the time just does orbits along the side of the ship, either doing dipping sonar training or rescue swimmer training. Far enough out to not interfere with the flight path or operations but close enough to be on scene quickly for emergencies. Being available for search and rescue is the other 1% and this is perfect example of coordination and team Work at its finest. In all likelihood the PG crew either saw the flame or the ship called them. From that point on they were heading towards the wreckage. Probably did a small course correction of visual or radio to meet the aircrew as soon as they hit the water. Even a minute or two in shark infested waters is too long for anyone floating in the middle of the ocean. Possible that the rescue helicopter arrived before the crew could even inflate the survival raft. I do know of at least two possibly four ground personnel getting a bottle of Scotch or their favorite adult beverage at next port call or bask stateside. The Ejection Seat mechanics and Flight Equipment specialists. Flight equipment personnel deal with the flight gear, life vests, G suits, O2 masks, helmets, etc....Seat Mechanics work on the seat itself, ejector rockets, survival kit, parachute....After packed,....they just to removal and replacement of the parachute assembly and in modern day aircraft the parachute is contained in the head rest. I know it was F-14 but depending on the model of equipped with the Martin Baker NACES sweat then both crew need to add space to their closet for a new tie. Tie is issued by the manufacturer Martin Baker as a recognition of a successful ejection. Equipped with of course the Martin Baker Logo and the Ejection Safety triangle.
No sweat. Any accident you can walk away from or in this case swim away from and survive is not all that bad. I have a little soft spot for two reasons.....1 Former Naval Aviation.....(Ordnance/weapons). And 2. Former Ejection Seat mechanic....ISMC/FA-18). Yes I worked two different occupations on two different services but a common aircraft platform. Been so long since that happened. That was when Discovery had specialized channels....(Discovery Wings was this one I believe)
Ejecting is a pretty big deal, you're basically going from 0 to a 100+ MPH in one quick burst so that there's a change to clear the blast of a potentially exploding aircraft. Last I checked, fighter pilots can only eject 3 times during their entire career because of the strain it put on the body. Normally, a pilot will shut down the damaged engine & try to return to the carrier, but at 0:43 it shows the jet is on fire, meaning the damage had ignited some of the fuel in wing, he had to punch out.
Love the speculation on the cause of this accident. Here's the scoop. The Turbine Struts were oval shaped and when the locknuts became loose, the struts would rotate. This contributed to Fan Bypass Airflow to become disrupted just forward of the A/B Flameholder, causing a Air Pocket mixed with fuel and burning the Outer Case. Only the Naval Version of the F110 had these type struts. We swapped the Struts with the USAF F110 Version and the problem was eliminated.
This happened in 1994 in a rare planned super sonic fly by. Discovery channel was on the ship for weeks taping a special on carriers. I was in my bunk when this happened and remember thinking that was a weak fly by because it did not shake the ship as much as past super sonic fly by. It was a dull thud compared with usual loud ones. That was uss Carl Vinson btw
According to a comment from the daughter of the pilot, his shoulder was injured as a result of the ejection - badly enough to curtail his career. Ejection is better than the alternative, but obviously something not to be done except in life and death circumstances.
@@commentatron I suspect the ejection system of the F-14 didn't help any. The actual "wires" you'd pull to eject are above your head in the F-14 so you'd pull them and your arms would be slung down like a mf when you ejected.
@@RealismFTW I don't know who told you that but they definitely told you a story. The F-14 ejection handle resides right between the legs of the pilot and rio.
This was in the Carl Vinson, if I remember well. It showed later in a Discovery documentary. This was a time when the Discovery and History Channel were not crappy channels, of course.
@sharkd59 I believe these jets were equipped with GE F110s, though I don't recall if they were F14A+ or F14D models At any rate, the failure was due to an Environmental Control System failure that took out the hydraulic system on the jet. I was on the flight deck when this event took place, attached to VA196 and maintaining the Buddy Stores for 196 and VS35. I ended up working for the Maintenance Officer for VF213 in a subsequent lifetime. We were sure glad to get the aircrew back. -A6
@@jobe_seed6674 F-14D did not suck at all. And it carried the AIM-54 which had longer range than the virgin AIM-120. Navy chose Super Hornet simply because it was cheaper to buy them than upgrade all the F-14''s to D model, and new aircraft obviously has longer lifetime.
@pwhite7608 Every aircraft has mechanical issues. And the tomcat survived 35 years or service. True, there were engine issues on the Alpha, however they were addressed and improved over the years. The tomcat still did the job done and MiG pilots were even told to not engage Tomcats if they came across them. That is pretty impressive I must say, and I don't believe I ever heard that about a Hornet or an Eagle.
In this case, it's going to fall on the maintenence crews. Since the supersonic flyby demonstration was planned for the crew, the pilot had full permission to go supersonic in a non-combat situation and push the craft to it's limits. So, the pilot is off the hook for this one. If it turned out to be a FOD situation from a bird strike then the maintenence crew is off the hook too.
Machinist mate AD I was. A turbine blade could have broken off from fatigue missed during inspections. The outer sides of the engine are titanium and designed to hold any engine brake up. The fuel system has several backup systems and during the initial explosion, fuel lines could have been ruptured from severe vibration. Afterburner was only designed to be used at short intervals cause of eminence fuel consumption and extreme pressure on the turbine blade. We would here on speaker " Tomcat 5 miles"...couple sec. Later, "Tomcat 4 miles, down to 1 mile. Aircraft would pass by with no sound 2 seconds later the Boom...then craft shoots straight up and out of sight....so cool.....1979 VF-41 USS Nimitz
John Ryder Care to expand on that? Would we be better served by Joe Biden who is a CCP boot licker? How about his running mate who called for not stopping the riots on the Colbert show. Talk about Trump all you want, but anyone is better than those two, and the Leftists that would have influence on them here at home and abroad. I’m assuming you never wore the uniform. Be well.
I am so happy that driver pulled the loop safely. I have unfortunately lost performance friends and fellow wingmates far to often. And I have pulled the loop myself. I love cloud dancing and will never stop. But gravity doesn't care if you live or die, it leaves the choice to you.
I didn't say that coral reefs are a waste; I just think that they could find something a lot less wasteful of good scrap metal than sinking ships and planes. You know how many tons of steel are in a ship? Aluminum in an airframe? Not to mention the man-hours and production it takes to build them in the first place. I guess I'm just a conservationist. It's the same with all the old cars that they crush. Most of those have good parts, engines, etc that could still be used. Just seems wasteful.
Our entire squadron, VS-304, witnessed the crash of one of our birds back in Summer of `93 in the San Francisco Bay (NAS Alameda). We lost both Officers (A-6 Intruder)........not fun to say the least.
God I miss this plane. Update the electronics like they did with the f 15. Add vector thrusting like the Su series. I used to be huge into kit cars. You take a mustang and turn it into a cobra... So rebody it. Keep the sub frame and add new panels with angles, paint it with vanta black to absorb radar and add internal bays whalla a 4.5 gen fighter.
It's the military. They love to waste trees and money. I remember going on leave and there being an error on how the COs name was listed and he had the whole company redo the forms a few days before we went on leave. That's about 150 people, 12 sheets of paper each, ink toner, and EXPENSIVE ASS carbon paper in between each sheet done twice. The error was a comma missing in his signature line. Funny thing is too that you only really need two copies of the leave form. One for the Service Member and one for admin.
I agree 100% Shark. All the extra power of the F414s was negated by the extra fuel,avionics,weight and drag. The F18E/Fs can barely get 1.6 mach. They have no real rate of climb. Even the grossly overweight F18 Charlies have a desent climb rate. Basically the F18EF is a A6F with no fuel. The RAAF is going to see a real reduction when they try to replace their F111s in the strike role with them. The F15E is shorter ranged than the F111.The Super Hornet is a pointy nose attack jet.
@chico358 The color of the shirts determine their roles on the aircraft carrier. Red-Ordinance, Green-Flight Deck Maintenance and Aircraft Maintenance, White-Medical and Safety, Blue aircraft Handlers, Yellow-Flight Deck Supervisors who run aircraft movement, and Purple are the fuel crews.
@DINDRAGON Which is why the proposed USAF version of the Tomcat was not chosen, because of the F-15. In the book I read(I think this was why), the F-15 was chosen for it's capabilities, and the cost to operate it.
Yeah, maintenance was the issue, but it wasn't just the cost, it was the amount of downtime involved. It could take several hours to perform inspections and maintenance on some parts deeper in the fuselage because the mechanics would have to first remove many of the other parts ("one bolt at a time") just to get at the part they needed to check or repair. Not good the squadron is tasked with several mission ops and you need to get a bird back in the air ASAP.
yup, i remember when i designed fighter jet engines and made them designed for smooth/slow throttle inputs. Boy were those the days....sure did pass the time when we tested those things in combat situations.... but no really, what an engineering disaster.
@mhardy006 The RADAR was not what made the F14 the distance killer, it was the Phoenix missile. One tactic was to fire on a vector from an E2 with target speed and heading programmed. It would turn on it's own rader inside of 60 miles.
As I recall the F-14 had major problems with the ceramic lining in their jet engines. Under the Shaw of Iran, Iran had purchase numerous F-14's (which are still in service today) for their air force. When the F-14 started experiencing engine failures the Shaw of Iran volunteered to pay to fix the engines of F-14's of both the U.S. and Iran. Unfortunately he was forced to flee from Iran during the so-called "Iranian Revolution" and the U.S. had to pay for the engine repairs itself.
I was in the Navy at the time this happened. Not on that carrier. I was based ashore and spent most of my time in the base gym lifting free weights back then. Those were the good old days.
I was in the Corps and spent some time on Coronado Amphib Base and we'd go to North Island, too. Got to bang a couple of Navy wives who's hubby was out on a ship on deployment. Yup, for a brief period in time, I was a "Jody". Those too were the good old days. lol
I read some books on it and I think that when it chrashes the carrier and it's escourt get toghter to look for wreckage, find the problem, and check other planes to see if the other planes have the same problem and if they don't the pilot is cleared.
@batvette First, the Russian pilot who did the shoot down of KAL 007 defected and told his story. Second, Yeltsin made the radar and audio tapes available. The Russian pilot made several passes confirming a civilian plane. The pilot was ordered to shoot it down anyway. Third, the EC135 had landed in Alaska long before the KAL plane took off. Last, the E2s had radar signatures of every aircraft. In a shooting war when you have the only friendly aircraft in the area, you max range it.
please....was working on a tomcat on an aircraft elevator one night and we dropped a socket....99.9% sure it went through the holes in the elevator into the sea but a full scale hunt ensued to look for it.
@fish365724 I agree with you 100%. As a former Tomcat airframer and flight deck troubleshooter I have to admit they could be a big pain to work on. But, man, were they the shit!!! I LOVED that bird!
As I'm no technician, sorry if this is a stupid question, but does going through the sound barrier at that "altitude" constitute a greater risk than let's say do it on 1000 ft ?
this was a VERY conservative fly-by done for the Discovery channel on Chucky V. filming a T.V. documentary. 1000' agl and just over M1.0 The new GE engines, while better than the P&W TF30, were having burn throughs from pieces of the flame holder ring in the burner section breaking off creating hot spots, and turbine blade impingement setting the titanium engine casings on fire. Jeff Strobel was the back seater and initiated a high speed ejection at about 375 kias. 475 is fatal. He wrecked his shoulder and left active duty, but ended up in the reserves. There was another accident off Miramar where the crew (an A6 guy getting qualed in the F14 to be a wing LSO) was killed after the jet disintegrated supersonic from a burn thru that took off the stabilator. The 'Super' tomkitty was limited to non-afterburner after that one. For those that flew the airplane we liked to say, 'Looks good in the break', it made for good movies and in this case great T.V., I'll leave it at that. Jeff is a super guy, glad to hear he is well.
@justforever96 Iran's air force used F14's as an AWAC, during the 10 year Iran Iraq war, because of it's superior radar, directing F4's&F5's. Spare parts not available from the US Iran supplied an F14 phased array radar set to the USSR to copy & sell to Iran. Current Russian fighters still use a version of this radar. British F4's used Rolls Royce Spey engines, then being produced under license in China. Iran tried to buy some and obtain a scrapped RAF airframe to copy the differences
The GE110 was fitted to the F-14A+ which became the F-14B. That was in 1989. After that all the B and Ds were west coast and As on the east. In 1996 when Fighter Wing Pacific was disestablished, all the Pacific birds moved to NAS Oceana.
@justforever96 The only other operator is Iran who still use them. To prevent Iran obtaining parts all retired US navy F14's were completely destroyed except one, which was at the Naval Air Station Pensacola.
@thebigroyboyski on Blackbird at maximum speed and altitude there even wasn't ejecton, plane just disintegrated around the pilot who fell down with seat and parachute did open automatically.
@sharkd59 Those TF-30's had a nasty habit of throwing hot compressor turbine blades right off the spool and through the airframe! Fuel cells are everywhere on fighter aircraft and also the resulting fuel fed fires, so the loss of the aircraft were common. There were even 'scatter shield' mods surrounding the engine installed early on in an attempt to increase survivability somewhat. They called it an airliner engine stuffed into a fighter jet. The Phoenix missile was a good F-111B hand me down.
Yup. That was a weird deal. I remember waking up and hearing the news that my Div O and his driver had lost an engine, flew it until the hyrdraulics failed, and had to be fetched out of the drink.
OK but same question without a link to this video: is it dangerous for a F 14 to go through the sound barrier at a low level, or is it better to do that at higher altitude, and then, if necessary to fly very low, as for ex. the British Buccaneers did ?
Can you just imagine ejecting in the ocean and then being rescued! WOW....What in the world happens to the pilot when he returns to the ship and is cleared by the doctor? They don't look for the black box, they don't pull the plane up. So do they take the pilot's word for it? And then he goes back on flight status?. That must be a terrrible thing to have on your service record. I mean it is not like crashig a fork lift into a wall.
@justforever96 Uhh...nevermind. I only watched the first seconds before I posted that. He was only cruising then, and had full-sweep for the supersonic pass.
Looked like a hot section failure in the starboard engine ...at that altitude punching is the only plan! Glad everyone is safe! Grumman is like lays potato chips....they made more!
yah, both pilots survived. the pilot tried to recover but the explosion caused a hydralic failiure and the stick froze and he gave his RIO the signal to eject.
