Can they all just stop this BS and remember who put them all there. Sharing is what it is about and put your arrogance aside please its about the people. It's time just fix SA and make her great.
Oh really? Tell that to the 10's of thousands of coloured and black people in the Western Cape that the DA has ignored for 20 years. You think the ANC is bad. DA is just has bad. They are going to lose their majority fodder base eventually. Like the ANC did.
ANC should give from their positions for all the small losers they brought in. DA should het their ~9 positions and give one to FG+ if they have to. Otherwise, they should just leave this cabal and not be window dressing and not be able to make any meaningful change. Let Ramaposa deal with EFF and MK.
The unpreparednesd of SANDF is a proxy for Govt's ineffectiveness. Rude awakening. So glad I'm not in a military that's at the mercy of the ANC ruling party. Bring our soldiers home guys.
Proportionality is important and because the ANC is cleverly trying to strengthen his position amongst the smaller parties, but why should the DA suffer for Cyrils attitude. I like the discussions here as all sides are considered.
Be real, one MP parties are in there for personal gain in positions, they contribute nothing on the #s, except IFP, PA, VV who contribute maybe 8%. The DA is either a coalition partner or there to put ANC in power. 8 positions are in line with international practice in a Cabinet of 28 members. The letters are leaked by the ANC against DA coalition.
If any walks away that will mean they are only concerned about themselves and not SA as the anc has shown us over the years, the DA should not walk away if SA matters.
Listening to his responses it's quite clear our soldiers are sent to wars blind or unarmed really South African must be concerned of thier family members in SANDF. You can't say we supply as we are on the battle field that's poor planning what is an assessment for??? 😢😢😢😢
While Helen Zille is arrogant Cyril forgets that the DA supported his presidency and chooses to ignore the Phala Phala issue. Cyril is ruled by his former allies who hate the DA unreasonably so he should also stop being hotheaded. I don't support either of the 2 big parties as neither fulfil my Christian ideals. I believe Cyril needs to change his approach and John must shed his Zilla apron strings. To me Cyril has gone further down I my estimation even though he think he has pacified his allies in his own pact. Personally I believe he is hastening his own demise.
Pls clement let’s not look far and bring the reality of the mandate of the people of SA ,what I’m hearing and seeing we allowing politic to get away with playing with life can we approach this matters without compromised I know you can ???this people Sir
The ANC feed themselves to Iron Lady ,Ramaposa has no say ANC was creedy thought they will do well with the DA ANC sent a Balooka to take on a bull dog called Zilla and she bite him WELL DONE ANC YOU WiLL eat at the table of the Iron Lady Ask PW Botha
The DA deserves a lot more than the scraps they are being given! ANC that don't want to communicate by letters (e-mail) also just shows they want to stick to their corrupt ways!
I think the fight is not over a bone...but to have a govt without corruption. It is mostly the corruption that means the demise of all of us. We all want a fair and just government
@@corinnevanjaarsveldt6087 and the DA should in fact get half of the positions the ANC will have. The ANC is not going to have 20 posts and give the DA six🤣🤣🤣
Agree with you they making us the Nation fools this platter it’s been cooked ,eg if you listen to all of them the tune has changed from what they were campaigning to the nation,secondly they are playing now no permanent enemy in politics they bringing languages that they know we will follow and make a rep songs it is for the Benefit and their lifestyle
8 ministries from 30... is that asking for power or what are you hiding within those departments from the DA and the general public GNU should be a balance of power not a tool to put the ANC back in power. The issue is many wont get those tenders as promised anymore
@@MotlokwaThwii DA is asking for less than what their quota entitles them to while the ANC is demanding more. Your concept of who is power hungry is flawed.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub Only one party is publicly demanding Cadre Deployment and even Tenders ontop of Ministers and Deputy Ministers. That's DA. They have enough! Noone owes them anything. Constitutionally, Ministers serve at the behest of the President. He should've given them less than what he did already. Just to deal with this arrogance. Alternatively they can go back to being Official Opposition
The ANC has their claws so deep into South Africa that it seems that they will never want to let go of their power so that they can drain SA even further. Please, we beg you, ANC, let go a little and let us thrive. We are jobless, hungry, riddled with crime and miserable. All because of YOU. Just stop!
Why is D.A.the one called "arrogance"..give the D.A.8 they want the Best for All Our Citizens 🇿🇦 Stop behaving like blurte koos" arshloche!!! We Love Our Country 👍Its give n take..Thank you!
I did not vote for DA nor ANC, but Cyril swapping TDI with Tourism is insultive to DA. ANC MUST remember they did not obtain outright majority - it's important DA to get ministries that they can make positive impact to our country. ANC has dismally FAILED in ALL ministries for 30yrs. They must wipe those crocodile tears, so we can move forward as a nation
With regard to comparing the DA wanting positions and the PA demanding positions in municipalities. Stupid comparison Clement. PA were going to one group and then horse trading with another group and going with the best deal. And they were a small party. Here the DA is the second biggest party and they are not negotiating with another group looking for the best deal. They need positions in proportion to the votes they received.
I think you don't know how horrible DA is when it comes t racisms ask us. By word of mouth they say they are democrats but evil they do behind doors will suprise you.
@@fela1489 I agree...but the constitution was designed for a party that won with a majority vote ...in this case it's a coalition with other parties... So the dynamics have changed
❤❤❤ Constitution will remain the document to run the country. Now it's time to protect Zuma they were using Constitution to fire Judges and other people.
Please all url do is to keep the peopkd of Douth Africa in mind n no partiality, of a a certain group ,but every nation colour n creed ,30 years this ANC favoured one group ,in all job opportunities,so let it be right for for all ,lets build a real democracy ,Viva South Africa 🇿🇦
They must show what agreements they signed with the DA on last minutes of voting for the speaker. Hellen Zille did say they signed at crucial moment..last mins while there we at event ready to vote..why is this ignored..
With our SADF we need to look deeper into who we are fighting against, by the look of things we are against 4 African Countries whom I believe the know more about the war. Malawi Tanzania Rwanda and Uganda 😢
Realistically if it is a government of national unity, since ANC got 40% and DA received 20% - you would expect for every 2 cabinet positions ANC gets DA gets 1.
@@lindokuhlexulu6652Sort them proportionally amongst all the parties. Why should the ANC retain their share and whittle down the DA to accommodate the others? Only the ANC negotiate with forked tongue.
@@goodenoughcele2068 I agree with you to a point - but parties who barely got any votes did not really get a greenlight for governance. 30 seats - 16 ANC, 8 DA, 3 IFP, 2 PA, 1 FF+. Every other party in GNU received less than 1 percent of the electoral vote, and should not get a cabinet position (They should get deputy positions). That would be fair, and that would be a government of national unity. Anything else is just people playing favourites.
Why can't we just work together and rebuild our country. Grow the work fields and give the youth an ability to function in the works environment instead of turning to drugs, alcohol and teenage pregnancy. This is happening because of no gainful employment. Please people put your egos aside. Let us just rebuild our beautiful South Africa.
i agree with you but my opinion as south africans blacks white andians and coloured we need to work to gether and forget about this nonsense politicians
@@thembalethuzuma9696 👍believe it or not...this morn i red an article on some million worth of illicit ciggarettes conviscated near botswana border. I cant help but think that why our government does not exempt africans from taxes on this trade, this will give them the freedom to trade. We are importing this and paying extremely high import duties on this. This is an income for many south africans. Why rather not cincentrate on human trafficking and seriously drugs. The more local products.....the better , which is to benefit africans. There is nothing wrong with so called illicite ciggarettes, in fact I have many friends saying some of these products are better....does not have the chemicals of outside africas products. I stand behind a trade on this product as open border policy. It is to benefit of sa citizens....its affordable...it might not be healthy but it is each individuals persinal choise.
The Mavuso that left the ANC and was begged to reconsider his decision by the hoolgans..has come out to ask that the GNU statement of content be made public..they havent..ANC has no respect for anyone
30 years of the ANC government has brought South Africa to this point. They have mismanaged the country, thus they fell to below 40%. Yet, they feel they can dictate because they have experience. On what planet are they? It's really not a record that they should be proud of.
we voted for ANC not GNU and DA you making like fighting with DA but you're rubbing sand in our eyes I don't understand Eff ,mk,inkatha ,ATM why u don't go to them why DA 😢😢😢😢😢
Last comment I can say SA has gone backwards since MBEKI economically when will the ANC realise there mistakes and use a unity with DA and others as an opportunity to do a 100 % job for the people of S- A not for themselves
The big problem we have is bad faith , please look at the ZAR everyone is losing especially the businesses , as an entrepreneur I can say shame on all those in charge of the government . You don’t care about so much poverty .So many unemployed , what about putting your differences aside and doing what is best for the country . What a disgrace , we are going backwards day by day , let us go forward , let us look to foreign investment so SA can grow . I cry to see the suffering and poverty of so many in our county . We are losing talent , these are the people who can create jobs 😢
Both two parties got hurt wounds to Heald . before they can be united. Forgiveness and rocounsilation Otherwise cat and mouse cannot stay and build never ever..
One might be tempted to believe ANC has the counties best interests at heart, but it's more like they rather have the DA over their shoulders catching them with their hands i the cookie jar, than Zuma & Julius take the cookie jar for themselves
DA and FFP must stop fooling themselves, their apartheidical policies will not work anymore unless they want to see the tail of a snake or the power of black people. Xibamu ahi chumu ka Matimba ya vanhu va ntima lava va tivaku ntiyiso na matirhiselo ya tinyiko ta vona.
the da said they are not in coalition for positions and now they want to dictate the president on how to choose his own cabinet. da is not in this to make a difference but for selfish interest. they can withdraw, anc will do just fine without them.
@thobileqacha3229 u must be mentally challenged to not know what's wrong and that's the problem.too many are exactly the same as the corrupt anc so they will defend their b.s at all costs.
Citizens voted for the same political parties, then why when they are negotiating about the future of the country they do it inside the closed doors. We want to know. Secondly anc didn't won out right so they must acknowledge that and give important portfolios to other parties since they have failed dismally to run this country. If they were doing right, the country wouldn't be in this situation of govrrnemt on tstional confusion
DA accepting the current terms is Political Suicide, may as well walk out here’s a snippet explaining why… “What this potentially means for ANC coalition partners is starkly illustrated by the prior experience of the Inkatha Freedom Party in national government. After the 1999 election the ANC continued in its coalition with the IFP, giving that party the ministries of Home Affairs, Correctional Services, and Science and Technology. In all three cases ANC loyalists were inserted as DGs, below these IFP ministers. In the case of Home Affairs, Mbeki appointed one ANC ex-intelligence officer as Mangosuthu Buthelezi’s DG in 1999 and then another in 2003. He also appointed an ANC ex-intelligence officer as DG of DCS in 2001. The effect of this was to allow these two IFP ministers the trappings of office but neutralise them politically by ensuring administrative control of their departments was in ANC hands. This was especially so as the ANC majority in cabinet had the final say over policy, which was binding on those IFP ministers, as well. This was an expertly executed political version of the German military manoeuvre called the “kesselschlacht” (battle of encirclement) whereby you force your opponent into submission not by a direct assault, but by encircling them and cutting them off from their supply lines, and their avenue of retreat. The ANC destroyed the National Party of FW de Klerk in the first GNU in a similar manner, as described here. This policy of deploying ANC loyalists to top positions in the state has continued to this day. In an affidavit submitted to court last year in defence of cadre deployment President Ramaphosa stated under oath that the Cadre Deployment Policy “applies to senior positions in government such as Directors-General and Deputy Directors-General”. And he also vehemently defended the right of the ANC to deploy cadres to these and other positions in the state machinery that it controlled. This means that once they have agreed to serve in cabinet any new DA ministers are going to take over departments whose top ranks are, according to President Ramaphosa himself, staffed with ANC deployees. Directors-General are employed on fixed five-year contracts and in terms of the current regulations, should a vacancy for head of department arise, the selection panel should be made of the minister of that department, two other ministers, and a national head of department. The panel would need to reach consensus on their preferred candidate and cabinet would need to approve the choice before the President made the appointment. When it comes to choosing a new DG for their department, the DA minister could potentially be outnumbered three-to-one by ANC people on the selection panel for the appointment.” …the deal is poisonous in its current form.
