It certainly can be. Especially if it's the first time someone is taking the exam for a particular application. I've been working on these applications for the last few years, so I don't have much of an excuse aside from not putting in the work. Glad you found the video helpful though!
I'm liking this not because you failed, but because you had the courage to tell everyone you failed. I would love to see the NAPLEX pass rate for practicing pharmacists if they had to take it again, that would be a fun number, even "funner" would be an MPJE pass rate of practicing pharmacists in their own state!
Oddly enough, the feeling I get AFTER sharing a failure is quite nice. Like a burden off my shoulders kind of thing. Btw, don't be surprised if a future video comes out about MPJE....I might have some "experience" in that realm. Not the good kind :)
Yeah, it definitely isn't easy. I did a whole month straight for my first certification for Willow. That was rough. Drew it all out and everything too! I'm lucky I passed
I didn’t think it was too bad. But I spent a solid 5 days reviewing all the materials. I can’t recall if I it was harder or easier than the original, but I think it was pretty similar. You got this!
I have 3 EPIC Cert's Resolute SBO, ADT Prelude, and Resolute HB Curriculum.... I am always on the struggle bus... As a matter of fact I am studying for my SBO CEE right now... I sear I have PTSD from taking these exams over and over and over!! Thank you for your video... any study tips....
For sure, the Epic certifications are definitely no walk in the park. As for study tips, I usually just read through the materials of where I am uncertain and make sure I understand the concepts in all of the stop sign/exclamation marks of a given chapter. The other thing is to do the projects, homeworks, and quizzes before taking the exam as many of the questions and concepts reappear. Good luck!
I'm wondering if this is a good next step for me in pursuing a career. I just graduated with a Bachelours in Health Information Management and i want a more lucritive job compared to my current position (Revenue Cycle Specialist). Any tips you have on seeing if this is the right career for me? The training seems intense but worthwhile.
Congrats on graduating! Awesome degree to have in this economy. As for your question, I think one of the best things to do when evaluating a potential career path, especially a change, is whether you'd like it and if it's what you expect. To do that, I usually suggest shadowing or reaching out to individuals that are currently in the position you're interested in and asking if they have time to chat more about their job. Hope that helps!
Hey man. Quick question for you. I have the ability to leave my Lab Tech job and become certified in Epic, most likely in Epic Beaker. Would you recommend it? How lucrative are the jobs? I’d be working in the same healthcare system for now and am curious if this would be a step forward in my career.
Hey Marco! This is an excellent question, yet also quite challenging to answer. I'd probably say that I'm a bit biased towards Epic solutions and I personally think having an Epic certification and/or experience working with Epic on the analyst side of things can make anyone quite marketable. So from that perspective, yes, I'd recommend it. However, whether you enjoy doing that type of work is another story that I can't answer. As for lucrative jobs - it can be. However, that's also dependent on the type of certification you have, your experience and skillset, along with geographical location among other things. The most lucrative type roles are usually in consulting with Epic. Granted, demand isn't as high as it used to be so the pay may be a bit lower than before. I hope that gives you some more points to consider. Good luck!
Cupid is definitely one of the harder, and core, applications. The schema of the surgical logs and procedures hurt my head. Only a matter of time though, good luck!
Right?? The questions are tricky and play of words. I tried to request them to do classes instead but they basically said I’m the only one complaining 😅
Hi Brian, My hospital will be switching to EPIC from Cerner. I have two questions: 1) Is there a part in EPIC that uses MUMPS language to do programming for hospital developers. For example, we as EPIC end users to use MUMPS retrieve patient records and do some tasks. With Cerner I am using Arden Syntax language to program electronic workflow/rule's engine codes, which is something like office automation. 2) If EPIC has such a part, what the exam of Certification will be? Thank you in advance!
Hi Xiao! Great questions. For 1) Epic is based on MUMPS code, but the vast majority of individual analysts will not be using that as there is a much simpler user interface for configuring things in Epic. The training curriculums for each Epic module will walk you through the applicable areas. 2) For those most interested in mumps programming will usually go down the route of chronicles database programmers. That's the basic level, but you can continue to a research informatics developer that dives deep into the code. I only did the first level of chronicles database programmer. Good luck!
Thank you for making this video. It's quite much help to have a chance to know what a real-life it is for people like me who is planning to study health informatics in the US. However, I have heard from my friends that health informatics companies like Epic System in the US do not hire international graduates who don't have green cards. May I confirm the correctness of this info which is scarce online? If it's true, may I have your recommendations about career development for international studensts with major in health informatics and who like to work and live in the US? Thanks for reading this message.
These are great questions and I'll do my best to take a stab at them. As to whether Epic systems hiring international graduates or not, I'm not entirely sure. Though, I think sending them an email to ask them directly may be the best course of action. As to your second question about developing health informatics education internationally, I would think most majors in either college or graduate school would have formal, didactic education in health informatics. Alternatively, one of the most economical courses of action for formal training are the MOOC's like Coursera, EdX, or Udemy since they provide informatics courses for free or a fraction of what traditional brick and mortar universities cost. Hope that helps!
Hi We are doing a telemedicine project for we are using EPIC can you suggest to me that which website will provide give the complete information on EPIC share me any video links
If your org is using Epic, your best resource is likely epic technical services assigned to your project. Otherwise, if your org uses Epic, epic user web & galaxy are the best!
Hi Sheba. Unfortunately, I do not know any tutors for Epic certifications. I Imagine there may be some out there, but I'd probably suggest reaching out to your employer, your colleagues, or Epic to see how else you can improve your scores before venturing out to any private tutors. If you've already failed twice, something to consider is trying something completely different in terms of how you study. Wish you the best of luck!
@@7maychyphen I passed on the third time.. I had to change the way I studied.. I started from The beginning of the companion on wrote everything out in a summary. I passed with a 90. I just took MyChart certification and also passed. So now I know what to do for passing certifications. Let me know if you have any other questions.
@@briankfung I am a healthcare professional working as a analyst since 2015. How do I get my employer (hospital) to send me for the credentialing/certification testing?
Same experience as Kera - it's usually different questions, but repeat ones every now and then. I imagine it's just random questions drawn from a question bank.
You can, but most probably end up attending in person classes. Here’s a video that goes into it in more detail: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OJJFf5I1aM0.html
Hey thanks, A question: if epic assessment test a once for life test 😂? Like if you apply from a company and take the assessment and fail it you can NEVER apply to epic? And can take the assessment test??
This is a great question, but kind of depends on which test. Three comments here. 1) Sphinx test - this is something that employers usually require candidates to take if they're applying to an Epic position. This is usually a logic based test and not. related to Epic content directly, but assesses your ability to solve problems. I've never taken it, but there's a lot of content online that share individuals experiences with it. 2) Epic certification tests usually require recertification every 3 years as a Continuing Education (CEE). If you fail it, you lose your certification and have to go through the whole certification process again. 3) There used to be a general guideline in that if you fail a test 3 times, you'll be required to retake the entire course again/go back to Epic to retake the entire course. If you fail 5 times, you're banned for life. With that said, I've heard some this is a only a guideline and each institution may handle it differently.
I think most people who are looking up epic certs on YT isnt the type to play videogames until 5am and take the test 4 hours later, this "lesson" doesnt apply to the vast majority of people and this video is a waste of time. Its basically you flexing how many certs you have then saying "har har I failed a test because i played videogames all night." I also heavily disagree with the qoute "hardwork beats talent" id rather pay a talented guy who can finish designing a logo for my company within an hour rather than a hardworker who designs the same quality logo within a week at the same price.
Statistically speaking, the exam with the highest failure rate is Willow inpatient at 60%. Which means more people pass than fail the most difficult exam administered by Epic. Thus, I’d think the majority of people pass rather than fail.
Brian Fung ok well all i know is the technical solutions job is really tough and stressful and people hate it. I took the test and did the profile thing this ost week but like no way they are gonna hire me anway. I suck at tests, plus ive already been rejected by 500 other jobs i dont know why Epic is interested in me. I think their recruiters have like Quotas and stuff they need to meet
Sorry to hear that Keith. The exams are definitely not easy and can be actually quite confusing. I actually think it's written to intentionally be tricky.
Ouch, sorry to hear. Those exams are not fun. The Epic AM/AC or TS folks are quite helpful. We were doing implementations when I took mine so it was the AM & AC that provided tips when I asked them. At least we can retake it a few times ;) Good luckkk!
Hi Brian, I applied for this job "Epic Analyst Associate" without any experience whatsoever. I do have background with computer but not healthcare related. They said I need to obtain Epic certification if hired and sign an Epic Repayment Agreement. What are your opinions?
Sounds like a great opportunity to me! Epic certifications are worth their weight in gold since access to them are extremely limited. If you get hired, it sounds like they will sponsor you. However, I'm not sure if you'd be the one to incur the costs of that certification since you have to sign an Epic repayment agreement - I actually have never heard of that. Probably something you should ask the employer about though to see what that is.
Props to you for always putting in that 100%! It can be easy to get complacent at times and not put in that work - like what I did here - but we should ALWAYS be putting in that work.
Im a nurse, a recruiter reached out to me since Im an oncology nurse. (5 years of experience with mutliple different fields). I'm confused why he reached out to me to be an Epic RN Analyst. I'm excited but overwhelmed at the idea of going into Healthcare IT with no IT background. I have yet to take the pre-screening assessment to see if I'd be recommended with epic. Nervous is an understatement!
I’ve always been of the opinion that those who have practice experience make the best candidates for informatics roles since you’re building the tools for clinicians! As for the test, it’s not a walk in the park for what I hear (I’ve never taken it) and it’s full of logic-based questions. There should be some info floating around on the net if you haven’t looked already, but much of it is quite secretive. Epic exams are usually very configuration based where you have to understand how downstream things get impacted when you tweak various settings upstream. Best of luck! I hope take the position if offered.
Very well said ‘Hard work beats Talent’. Its crazy!! Same thing happen to me I was super confident going into exam I thought I knocked it ‘out of da park’ and I failed my Cogito COG170, this was my first Epic certification and now I’m down and little intimidated., my first language aint English(does it played a role, i dont think know), I found the questions very tricky. I wanted to see if there is any content on free web about these certification and stumbled on to your videos. 100% I’m impressed, If you can help me running through prep process that will be great. Thanks man
Questions are definitely tricky! My typical prep process is to 1) review the stop signs/exclamation marks in each chapter, 2) review the study materials on galaxy on what content is covered and make sure I read over it, 3) Do the project prior to the exam, 4) have an epic session open during the exam along with all the training companions so I can quickly reference/lookup things I forgot. Good luck on your retake!
NVT still exist - it's just that the CEE's are also added on top of them now every like 2-3 years. Definitely agree with the exams being revenue generators - can't even imagine how much revenue they get with it.
I totally agree, they only did that to generate more money to have people sent back out to Wisconsin to take the classes again. The NVTs were fine abd this new re certification every 3yrs isn't going over well with any of the analysts at my organization.
I am applying for a EPIC Analyst training program with no experience in programming but over 10 years in pharmacy (all hands on hospital/infusion center). Do you think it would be something someone like me can? I have to take the sphinx assessment but not sure what to expect.
Thank you for this cause I just took my Cogito test today and failed im siiiiiick 😭 im pivoting from HIM to HIT so a LOT of this info is foreign. I also kinda sorta took the whole "open book" thing to heart and realized real quick that I need to put in some work work the next week lol
i am a beginner, a starter, a newbie to this EPIC Certification. Must i be a programmer to be able to achieve this EPIC certification? I am not a programmer hence my question.
Hi Stanley! You certainly don't have to be a programmer. In fact, many individuals that work towards an Epic certification do not have a technical or programming background. All of those skills you need are taught during Epic certification and majority of it doesn't require programming/technical skills. Unless of course, the Epic certification is a very technical one like chronicles database or clarity report writer.
Hi Brian, I got an information system analyst job that required I to get Epic certified. I went to class and have taken the exam 3 times. I plan to take it again for the forth time. It is very discouraging after studying so hard. I have never failed an exam ever so this is demoralizing. I understand the material but struggle with the time. ANy advice for me before I try again?
Sorry to hear that Jane. The tests are by no means easy and it seems quite common that people fail. The way I typically approach them are quite methodical: 1) review galaxy article for exam. They usually cover what the exam will be about and what percentages so I can focus efforts where I’m weak. 2) re-read through every red stop sign to make sure I know the configuration/concept. 3) take practice exam if available. 4) do project before exam, if applicable. 5) have PDFs and epic environments open to ctrl+f or test my answers to questions. Good luck
It depends on the Epic certification. Some classes (e.g. Willow Inpatient) are 3 full days x 3 for 9 total days while some (e.g. Bugsy) are as short as 3 full days x 1 for 3 total days.
Also when i learn all this crap where can I go with my experience after this "mass firing" of employees is over? I never been in this field and this system is very tricky. If I finish learning it I want to make more money by using it.
@@briankfung you must forgive my brash comments lol I was also being playful. I needed this system only for checking patients in and out of a clinic. That's really it. This program is breathtaking and someone can do so much inside of it. I was not able to find videos on what I needed but I made due. My contract is over thank god. Sad to see whats going on because of covid.
Hi Susan! You actually can't purchase Epic manuals since it's proprietary information. However, if you're part of an Epic organization (i.e. organization that uses Epic), you can access all the training materials on their user web.
i appreciate this channel! I have an opportunity to become an epic analyst. background in clin app analyst & sys admin. when researching pay, it varies greatly online. wondering if you find that salary or glassdoor are pretty accurate or not?
That’s a good question. For the most part, the salaries I’ve seen on Glassdoor are quite reflective of what I hear too. However, it ranges quite a bit depending on geographical location and years of experience. Probably not the most useful answer, but definitely only use it as a guide and +/- to it based on your value too. It’s always about whether you can justify your case if you think you should be paid more. Good luck! Sounds like a great opportunity.
The questions are very similar, but do NOT be fooled, because the exams are VERY tricky. They'll literally swap a tiny detail which changes the entire output. So, don't memorize answers by any means and be sure to study what configuration settings (inputs) cause what types of behaviors (outputs). Good luck!
Hi Brian, Thanks for posting videos on your Epic exam experiences, it’s very helpful.Have you taken CLN102 Epic Clinical Informaticist exam? Can you share your experience on how hard was the test? Thank you
I don’t recall if I took that one specifically. However, I do think all of the exams are quite difficult in general. But certain strategies can be applied to each of them to ensure youll pass. Without being too long winded, 1) review the exam guide in galaxy and make sure you understand the CONCEPTS, 2) take the practice test, if offered, 3) do the projects, if one is required, BEFORE taking the test, and 4) ctrl+f is your friend
Would I be able to be an EPIC analyst without a college degree? My hospital wants to sponser me. I am a RN, but I became one many years without going to college. I did this program that for 2 days I had an instructor telling me to do nursing procedures. I am sure my employer assumes I have at least an AA degree. Any information would be appreciated.
Technically yes. An epic analyst is a very broad term. The question will primarily be what qualifications beyond Epic certifications would your potential employer be looking for - which may be a college degree. Granted, I know a few folks who were sponsored for epic certs and didn’t have their bachelors. Good luckb
It's probably reflective of ppl that went to college and those that didn't - both groups can likely end up as an Epic analyst, with or without a college degree. Good luck!
@@britneythao You can go to nursing school and obtain a diploma in nursing. It also allows you to take the NCLEX (the test to become a registered nurse) Having a diploma allows you to "bridge" to getting a Bachelors degree in nursing.
Hi Jennifer! Unfortunately, I've never taken the sphinx test myself, but understand that it is very logic-based (as is their general Epic exams). I would probably be doing you a disservice by suggesting anything as I'm not sure how best to prepare for that kind of exam. I wish you the best of luck though!
Epic limits who can get certified. From previous videos, I believe you have a few options: -Work at Epic -Work at an institution (e.g. hospital) that has a contract with Epic -Work in a role adjacent to an institution that has a contract with Epic, such as working in consulting. Your position must have the need to learn Epic
I don't know all of the consulting firms that work on Epic and some have left the marketplace (e.g. Accenture). The most common one I'm familiar with is Deloitte. With that said, there are many small, private consulting groups (you'll have to search) that hire individuals interested, get them Epic certified, and deploy them to various organizations that need Epic expertise.
Both :). Epic Certification will always require being onsite. There might be some exceptions for the minor epic certs/applications, but that wouldn't be the norm. Epic Proficiency (which is still epic certified) is always online/at home/your own pace.
I always suggest 1) review every exclamation mark ❗️in the training companion, 2) review the study guide on galaxy, 3) do the project before the exam, and 4) review over any conceptual topics you feel uncomfortable with. Best of luck!
