Failure in Motion | Kanonenjagdpanzer 1-3 

Interesting. I was commander and trainer on a 4-5 serving in Panzerjägerkompanie 440. While the tank was obsolete in the early 80s, its combat concept regarding T-54/55 and T-62 tanks was sound. We would "lurk" in camouflaged positions, wait until the enemy passed us and then hit them from behind. After that we would leave our positions and move to new, prepared positions farther back. The 4-5 was extremely fast, capable of 80km/h on roads (on paper 60 but if you had an inventive mechanical department much more) and not much less cross country. Driving it was actually real fun. I was one of the few commanders who also had driver training so i finished my days training recruits, because I was the only one who could drive the tank to the training ground and then switch hats to become commander again. Also interesting was the company concept. We were an independent company with four platoons of 5 tanks each. Led by a Major we also had our own supply and mechanical departments, so we were actually a week battalion.

Bro you dont have to talk like a 80s superhero commercial narrator, but good video

why did you try to pronounce Rolls Royce in german? Nobody in Germany does that. It is a british company so we use the english pronounciation.

A further disadvantage was, that in rough terrain the gun hit ground and sometimes got stuck. And the jagdpanzer where later modified to observer tanks for the artillery or ended up as hard targets for the shooting ranges.

Interesting video, but please, how do you get from "Dreißig" (30) to "Dreitti"

Like the content, but the overly dramatic delivery is a bit jarring.

Love the channel but this voice over is so off putting I couldn't make it to the end.

The Raketenjagdpanzer was equipped with the french SS11- 1.Generation ATGM. These early ATGM had a minimum Range of 500m. For the case an enemy tank comes closer,you are in serious trouble and the 90mm gun comrade has to come to your aid.Later the Rakatenjadgpanzer was modernized to Jaguar 1 tank-destroyer with the more modern german-french HOT-ATGM (minimum range 75m).These were very capable vehicles and among the best tank-destroyers of the cold war.The Kanonenjagdpanzer became more and more obsolete with introduction of modern soviet tanks like T64 and T72. 164 of the 750 built Kanonenjagdpanzer were converted with the US TOW-missile to Jaguar 2 tank-destroyers.Others were used as observation-vehicles in Artillery- and Mortar-units(Barrel cut off).Some may ended in reserve-units of the Territorial-army? In general the vehicle was reliable ,low profile , very fast and agile cross country. Despite the similiar shape these had not much in common with the ill-fated HS30 based prototypes. F.e.: they were driven by an Mercedes V8-Diesel of 500 HP and not by the Rolls-Royce gasoline engine of the HS30.

I didn't expect this style of narration but it was entertaining and engaging.

Seems a bit harsh to call the thing “the worst tank destroyer” since the vehicle in the video was just a prototype and not a production vehicle. That’s why prototypes are built after all, to see how well the design works.

Where’s Ferdinand Porsche when you need him ? 😂😂

In fact removing the engine as a unit was far better than in the normal HS230 as there you had to basically disassemble the whole vehicle to change the engine

Great video, as usual. It's certainly interesting to highlight some of the unsuccessful prototypes of well-known vehicles. The 4-5, which was developed out of this vehicle, was really the last of a dying breed. Following the eventual removal of the vehicle from service, the only tank destroyers left in service were rocket-equipped. And in 2006, anti-tank ground units (collectively called the "Panzerjägertruppe") were completely phased out in the German Army as part of its many, many, many restructurings. Fun fact: Recently, there was a small event at the German Panzermuseum (tank museum) in Munster where they opened some vehicles and permitted visitors to climb aboard. Since I lived in town at the time, I obviously went. Turned out the 4-5 was also among the visitable tanks, and I can verify that the crew space is really quite big - as long as everyone sits. Which also means that I can verify that it's probably really cramped if it's all just a bit smaller. I visited the 4-5 in a completely empty state, no ammunition or on-board equipment, so it obviously felt a lot bigger than it probably was in actual service. Anyway. At some point, the Germans - as well as a lot of other NATO partners - asked themselves a rhetorical question: Why deal with the ground and its "hills", "rough terrain", "man-made obstacles" and all those other nuisances when you can just...hover ominously? Early helicopters did not possess the range advantage nor the reliability of modern air-to-ground missile systems, so the concept of purpose-built anti-tank ground vehicles was kept alive for decades, but with modern fire-and-forget missiles that have an effective range that far exceeds the one of tanks...it's no coincidence the last "Panzerjägertruppe" unit was put out of service roughly around the time the Eurocopter Tiger with its PARS rockets entered service.

With all the pauses and wrong words, it sounds AI generated.

It would be nice if you could just stay with the english words for numbers and such. Its okay if you wanna speak out the main german words, as i think its important to do so for cultural reasons but especialy with the numbers and other stuff that doesnt need translationg "engine, motor" or so...just keep it english. you will teach your non native german audience way more that way AND the germans can understand your english no problem still, great video. i didnt know of this tank

Is this some sort of AI voice over? It really sounds unnatural and stuttered.

The reason for the 90mm is easy - M47 and M48 used it. West Germany was big on reduced logistics/as few platforms and things as possible

The pronunciation kind of reminds me of Lazlo from What We Do In The Shadows.

Was all kinds of them on exercise in 1981. Their units solved the aiming problem by relocating constantly, and running over corn as if there were actual Soviet units before us. We were told not to run over corn any more,as it was an election year, and could affect the price of meat.

Interesting video and I liked the narrator. Thanks

No offence, but why do you feel a need to pronounce all the numbers in German when you obviously don't know how to pronounce numbers (higher than 10) in German?

comparing the final,series Jpz Kanone to the Jagdpanther, a great advantage sems to be the far lower profile. especially important for an ambush vehicle.

Gotta say, while I don't think its outright bad, it really feels like the director was smoking Shakesphere.

Dirisively called the Yuck Panzer.

I just imagine if only they used M48 Patton hull instead of HS hull which was originally just an IFV/APC than tank like how Soviet Union made Su-85 / Su-100 based on T-34 medium tank.

Lots of photos of M48s being delivered to Germany, no photos of M47s. Pro tip: M48 has a turtleback-shaped turret. M47 has a long needle-nose turret with a long turret bustle. Major hull differences as well, but I'll give you a bit of a pass since the primary identifying feature, the bow of the hull, wasn't shown in most of the photos. Some sources claim the origin of the cannons was taking them from M47s that Germany was scrapping after starting to receive M48s prior to manufacturing Leopard 1s.

The Gun was an Rheinmetall L40 90mm Gun? Or do I miss something? The KaJaPa was an excellent Tankdestroyer for it time.

Sir you are butchering the german so hard

It seems to me that that a modernized and improved version of the war time Jagd IV or the Stug III with a diesel engine and a Nato compatible gun with that standard ammunition would have a good place to have started. Of course with those great German optics and modern fire controls. Afterall those along with Jagdphanter were the pinnacle of the turretless Tank Destroyer design. The Germans must have still had the blueprints stashed somewhere.

Why the DRAMATIC PAUSE before the word "gun"?

Pretty well speaker.

Think we can reduce the size of the video/picture sourcing, its rather "loud" haha. Great content nonetheless!

There is also a modernised version with extra armour and Hot anti tank missiles

respekt for you to try and pronunce german, but in my opinion Jagdpanzer idea still could be viable, but it would be more like a tank with rocket/missile systems like javelin

To be honest , this felt a bit like a mockery of the early Bundeswehr and i tried to understand why i felt this way. So here i´m going to explain what went wrong in my opinion. Please don´t take this as a harsh critique. I have spent about 3 hours writting this comment and thinking about the various points, so im quite invested in this video and hope that i can help improving the following videos: 1. Language As a lot of people already pointed out, the ongoing wrong pronunciation of the german designations feels a bit arrogant. A better solutions could be to try the original pronunciation and following just use a more english sounding abbreviation ( Jpz instead of Jagdpanzer or Stug for Sturmgeschütz) and pronunce the numbers of the designations in english. Next topic is wording. For example In the first 30 seconds you say that Jagdpanzers(tank destroyers,TD) are "improvised tank hunters with powerful guns mounted on obsolete chassis with poor protection and mediocre mobility". Improvised, obsolete , poor and mediocre have a very negative connotation in my opinion. The Question here is, what the relation of these adjectives is. Improvised? At least an engineer had to construct mounts and a shield for the more powerful gun. Obsolete? Perhaps, but they were available and for their intended function quite sufficient. Poor protection and mediocre mobility? Compared to a Panther, yes indeed. But if you compare the shown Marder 3 (build upon Pzkw 38(t) chassis, Armor: 10-50 mm, pwr/weight: 10.4 kW/ton; according to wikipedia) to a M10 (build upon M4 chassis, Armor: 9.5 - 57.2 mm, pwr/weight: 9.46 kW/ton [M10A1: 11.56 kW/ton];according to wikipedia) neither the protection nor the mobility is poor or mediocre, but rather quite adequate for the intended use. I think what you tried to imply was: 'Jagdpanzers or tank destroyers were a different kind of armored fighting vehicles. They´ve traded mobility and protection for a more powerful gun. While the early versions of german TD´s relyied on pre war chassis or captured chassis, the later versions used Panzer 3 and Panzer 4 chassis, like the Strumgeschütz or Stug.' 2. Who is your audience? That is a topic which is often overlooked not only in youtube video, but also in academic papers. you present a video about a very peculiar AFV for its time. Ask yourself who is gonna watch this video. What does my audience know if youtube proposed this video to them and what do i have to tell my audience to understand it? Wouldn´t somebody who watches a video about the Kanonenjagdpanzer or Kjpz know about the better known tanks of WW2 and if he knows about WW2, shouldn´t he know what happend afterwards in the Cold War? With this thought in mind, is it really necessary to tell how germany was divided up after the war? A better approach could be to tell your audience simply that germany was diveded in different occupation zones. The western German government was formed out of the American, British and French zones. East germany was formed out of the soviet occupation zone. After the war the relations between the soviets and the western powers declined which resulted in the cold war. 10 years after the capitulation of the Third Reich in 1945, the NATO allies inlcuded the newly found German Bundesrepublik or western German state in the alliance on 9 May 1955, which started the rearmament of western Germany . 3. Structure What is important and what is background filler? This topic is kinda similar to the previous one, but rather than asking what the audience bring to the table in form of knowledge, you should ask youself what your main focus shall be. Your video is roughly grouped as follows: ~15% Jpz history , ~ 15% German history after WW2, ~25% HS 30 and Kjpz 1-3, ~ 25 Problems of Kjpz 1-3, 20% Kjpz 4-5 and Rjpz Therefore your video about the Kjpz 1-3 spends only 50% of its time with the actual vehicle. As proposed in the previous point, the section about german history after WW2 can be reduced. In my opinion the last section can be reduced as well, since it is just just about the subsequently variants of the vehicle (having no better place to adress this, what is a Sturmmaus?). The unused time could be used for a more elaborated look into the history of the HS30/Kjpz. For example. Why the Germans developed the Hs30, when the Bundeswehr had the Hotchkiss IFV? Did other nation had something better /equivalent/worse? What was the corruption scandal you have mentioned briefly in one sentence and then never mentioned again? Did the Bundeswehr accepted the flaws of the vehicle because of the corruption or did they need the vehicle and used them regardless of the obvious flaws after the testing? Are there some benefits of the design which couldn´t offset the negativ ones? Discuss the pros and cons of the vehicles and compare them to their requiremnts and their adversaries. 4. Audio/Video discrepancy Being told that the orientation of the gun of the Kjpz could obstruct the driver or even the gunner himself whilst looking at the HS30 with its 20mm machinecannon, doesn´t feel like there was a lot of planning going when the footage for the respective scene was choosen. That being said, i think the topic is quite interesting since most channels only discuss the major WW2 tanks. But i think there is a room for improvements in the presentation.

Narrated by Zapp Brannigan?

Perhaps a flawed concept by the late 50s, but still viable as ambush tank destroyers, shooting and scooting.

When is there gonna be a kranvagn video u did ikea tiger so know do kranvagn

I like this guy he's funny😂😂😂❤❤❤

Just another german success

Might the selection of the 90mm gun as the vehicles main armament have more to do with the fact that the West German Army was fielding U.S. supplied M47 and M48 tanks, both of which used the 90mm gun, in order to simplify ammunition supply issues.

Please bring back the old narrator and cut out like 50% of the filler, don't need the ENTIRE history of west Germany and it's tank force

Hs dreizig(30) Is that pronounced

Is the narrator AI…

We can't change what was, we would have to also put ourselves in that time and those limitations, and possibilities it was a tank of the times, some of the others of the Cold War were budget fill-ins too, or stop-gap changes on old designs, compromised, they continued on,, the M26, M47-M48, M60 90mm gun but RPGs took them out all the time, the hind site is always 20 x 20 ya know, so I figure that newer better equipment is always out there, and wanted, but we restrict our selves, and drop the budgets all the time so you get what you get, best be able to use what you have the best you can, and hope the hell it will do the job. We want them to have the best available of course the budget is huge, but necessary, a deterrent if nothing else. Can War End?

Actually german tank destroyers were first armed with a 47mm on a pnzr 1 chassis dont believe that was considered a large caliber gun

That was not a failure: it was a disaster!!

Good, just narrator was enjoying himself too much 😁😁, maybe calm down little bit next time, but still good video...

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a mediocre chassis with a mediocre gun ... a failure even in the blueprint stage. The 90mm caliber may have been the standard gun at this time, but this specific gun and HEAT ammo for the KJP 1-3 certainly wasn´t. The gun/ammo had low velocity and therefore it was hard to hit anything reliably. The predecessor in WW2 at least had a competitive gun and good armor ... at least at their time. The KJP was obsolete when it came into service ... and had a lot of problems too. With a large gun and strong armor sure, could have been good, but not with this chassis and engine.

I like this narrator, it made the content more interesting to sit trough

Several years ago I did visit the Munster Museum as part of a historical trip to mostly former Nazi areas/buildings, also the infamous Dora Factory in Kohnstein. I think I remember this tank?

Still like Jag hot & Jag tow better.

Sorry, but I never heard someone trying so hard to pronounce German and failing so hard at the same time 😂

The narration sounds AI generated. I can do it you prefer?

The voice is too obviously computer-generated.

Is this narration actually computer generated? It sounds like a native English speaker and can't pronounce Rolls-Royce?

As a kid I had the Tamiya 1/35th scale model "Its motorized " I didnt like it cos it wasnt a "proper" German tank so on GuyFawkes night I blew it up with a sh!t-ton of fireworks .

The clumsy mix of English and German allows minimal understanding.

The narration is unacceptable, it sounds as if he is making fun of something. I certainly don't like how the information is delivered in tone.

Sweden used this type into the 90s, only people without experience thinks that it was “obsolete”.

Not sure why so many are complaining about the narration. I think it sounds fine

The attempt as German pronunciation is just so bad and unnecessary. You can just say HS.30 in English, or go on Google translate and how it pronounce it for you in German so you don’t constantly say it so very wrong.

Please work on your pronunciation of the German word 30 - it is NOT tryti

The almost consistently incorrect pronunciations of the German terms underline the questionable quality of the video...

The narration is too over the top for my liking, sounds like he's trying to sound like he's introducing an episode of one piece bruh

please either translate german words or learn how to pronounce them. your videos are good but when i heard "HS dreity" I wanted to scream

what a preposterous american accent lol. sounds like the perfect tank hunter for elbonia.

GUN!

Can we ditch this narrator?

The fruity, bombastic narration makes this video unwatchable. Bailed at the 2:00 mark.

Pretty cringe narration

You talk like a narrator from the 1940s lol

Cant deal with the voiceover, almost comedic and advertiseish cringe.

If you are not safe with german numbers, don’t even try. The overreacted german is also cringy as nothing else. Apart from that, informative video.

Not a good video. I can see many things being put together in a hurry without double checking the information if its actually true. Besides that, the narration, pronunciation and the fact that the script is just an article found on the internet (a bad one at that), makes this video look cheap and ill-equipped. Hope you learn.

.... why do you have to butcher an english name "Rolls-Royce" by trying to pronounce it german. My ears are bleeding. Otherwise informative and good video

This german pronounciation is just wrong ("Dreidi" = Dreißig). Error over Error...

Hey, i like your videos very much, but, please, never do german numbers again! And we germans will in turn never speak our bad english again. Do we have a deal?

why are you talking all weird now? you sound like some weird cartoon character

While it is good that you have gotten away from the narrator's with bad accents, now could you please stay in one language while narrating? That was really annoying, and it added nothing to give numbers in german, other than be distracting and negating the value of the video by making the words the subject of questions, instead of the story.

Should be a great video, but the narration is horrible. It's ridiculously over the top, plus the pauses are in all the wrong places. Please tell me this is an AI voice - if not, the person needs help.

Just to let you know ...Your use of German words is seriously BAD !!! So it's a NO from me.

The narrator needs to learn German, and gone it down.

dont try to speak german words when you dont have a clue how to do it.

I’m sure the remaining ten minutes of the video were fine, but I just couldn’t keep listening to the ridiculous narration. It seriously needs a re-recorded voice over.

He should not try to speak german!

Had to put this one down the second he said "Rolls Royce" with that crazy yiddish twang. Why, after all these years, can't you guys just take some feedback gracefully and pay one voice actor to voice these things consistently?

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