Jaggi Vasudev & Javed Akhtar in conversation with Shoma Chaudhury at Tehelka's THiNK 2012 session on "Five Star Fixes? Ancient Technologies for the Modern Mind" For more THiNK 2012 videos log on to: thinkworks.in/latest-video/
11 years back when I watched this video, I was one among few who were praising Javed saheb for his Rationality in the comment section, and everybody else was just abusing him...But now this comment section is filled with all praises and rational thoughts about Javed Saheb...India has grown so much in these 11 years...🔥
Absolutely, I agree. Revisiting it today, Javed makes a lot of sense. Life experiences really shape our perspective. Yet, there are still people who admire Sadguru's teachings with that distinctive background music . He's their world, just as he was mine once 😂
Really??he uses his rationality only when it comes to hindu thought process.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan along with hate for kafers,women subjugation,nd violence for spreading islam. nd he wont question it.he is just opposing nd quesrtioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do.he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community
@@avgb2115kid, now i can understand the level of intelligence nd knowledge u have.buddhism was defeated in india by the great sage adishankara in debate not by war bec india is the land of debate.main philosophy of buddhism nd hinduism is non violence.judge was also buddhist monk.the real reason for decline of buddhism in north nd afghanistan nd pak were islamic invasions tht happened over the period of 1000 years.buddhist monks who didnt convert were keeled in lacks by chuslims.taliban have recently destroyed bamiyan buddha statues of afghanistan which aurangazeb tried to destroy 500 years ago bt failed.thts the main reason buddhist monks of myanmar started to hate chuslam nd it led to rohingya muslim crisis.u can be peacefull bt u can never sleep with rabis dog(chuslam)-mynmar buddhist monk.go read kid
@@Sameer-wy7cyIndia is special because we follow a constitution, unlike the Islamic world, which often bases laws on the Quran. The West decided to keep religion and law separate, seeing potential issues. Imagine if our life if main rules were from a religious book. Sometimes, I hear stories about how people were treated before we got independence, and how there was slavery and violence in the name of religion. We're fortunate to have a constitution now, and we should be thankful for what we have done. We should aim to make people happier, improve our lives, and reduce inequality in society 🙂
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@sreenivasb9348i wish you made sense. Athletes know that if they work hard they’ll succeed, it’s fact. Many people have done it. It’s not an idea which can’t be tested alike the claims made by Sadhguru. He has never been able to prove anything. Athletes knowing that “METHODS” will get them somewhere is the use of common sense. Without common sense what are we? Can you succeed without common sense?
My thought exactly... its not about who is right or not. It is about having a forum where ideas can be debated and an audience that is open to both sides. More of these are needed.
If you paid attending, you'd realize that the first person that made a personal remark was Sadhguru. He said, maybe the speakers are set up this way because even if you hear, you won't understand. I believe both of them have egos but only one claims to be enlightened.
@@VishnuSharma-wm2no nop he didnt say that he said that i dont think my words are being understood or heard even. The first remark sadhguru said was once javad was adviced by a guru to dont use his mind and this advice has been taken seriously 😂😂😂.
@@animeuniverse5586 20:45, that's when he first belittles Javed. Mildly inappropriate for a philosophical discussion if you ask me. I'm sure it's not just Javed though, it's hard to understand a man who himself cannot explain the reasoning behind his beliefs.
7 year ago I was listening the talk and I was completely on the side of sadguru and today I am listening the same talk and now I am completely with Javed sir I am witness how the pendulum change with time and experience
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@YogaToSamadhi Oh so basically we shouldn’t use our own minds? Just blindly listen to what gurus say? A toddler will believe that ghosts exist, but when he grows older, he will realise that ghosts are just a figment of imagination. Is that also polarised?
I dont like sadhguru much, but try to lookout so called greatest philosophies which is vedantas, based on faith in god. Read tagore, vivekanand philosp"s . Javed akhtar is legend, but many philosophers went beyond, and give ideas of faith for human welfare and peace of mind.
I don't read tagore .. but i have read and have though about vivekanand ideology as a philosophical way ..but still the faith in god not the primary support any rational leader would stuck upto vivekanand has denied hundreds of arguments and ideas about hinduism mainly because he was a hindu soo .. i can't really say that he is rational at every point so i prefer more clear leaders or philosopher .. may be i lack knowledge somewhat. But few things i am clear about is god and its ideology .. i follow bhagat singh as clear perspective from indian leaders ..
There is one more thing that is very popular ..Isha foundation... But sadly outside of that people sometimes like to hear logic rather than crap... Vaise bahut buri li gayi hai guruji ki...inko bolo videos Bana ke Modiji ko de diya kare..ye sare aam Jaleel hona, bhakto ka 'faith' uth jaata hai..😂
@@ombembde3826 I listen to 90s Javeds songs. Don’t know this got recommended on my feed, just like you I was curious about Javeds view on religion. He is right about using logic, reasoning and common sense. The other guy was talking to trigger people’s emotions without facts or sources
Really??he is only rarional when it comes to hindus.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan.he is just opposing nd questioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do .he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community.go read their book nd u will know y exactly he is doing tht
Isn't it kind of weird how religious people receive respect for their beliefs, while science-minded individuals who present evidence often don't receive the same level of respect? This dynamic helps us understand how religious people are perceived as being closed-minded.
Excatly! And they fail to understand that the science-minded individuals are actually using their own thinking ability ofcorse given to them by the grace of the very God they believe in..!!!
You are the opposite, 😂 religious ideas and thoughts are not respected, and most of the youth use their small brain and find that science is more logical than religious texts or ideas but that tiny-minded fellows don't know that 😅, modern science is also influenced by Vedas, Upanishads, I didn't say this, it's said the scientists
@venkatabhinavpoluri1748 I agree with the last sentence of your comment that modern science is also influenced by the Vedas, Upnishads and such ancient texts. But this shows that those are not 'religious texts' those texts are the thoughts and realizations about life, nature and our surroundings as understood by the scholars at that time. And so 'today youth finds science more logical than religious texts' doesn't exactly make that much sense in my opinion.!
@@shwetachaudhari1894 Religion texts are always not about the god or rituals, you said " those are not religious texts ", and if you get to know the cosmology and astronomy mentioned in Hindu scriptures, it opens a new dimension in your brain, "dimension" refers to to a new thought process, you will automatically question the modern science, I don't know whether that science is wrong or right, but they give a new approach to our brains, many foreign scientists themselves said it, so without knowing the scientific theories in the Vedas, and without knowing the truth how can we declare that the Hindu religious "science " is a pseudo-science, so many of youth declare them as mythology and call it as illogical, how can we declare? Damn they wrote Vedas and Upanishads for some thousands of years, many of those got demolished by invaders, just imagine how much science was there in those scriptures, " today's youth find modern science logical and Vedic science illogical, without reading the Vedic cosmology " I hope now it made sense
I think this could be a right statement that you peel onion, you get nothing, there could be another way to put something in onion, then peel the onion, then what? You will be getting something, if you didn't get? Mr. Modern science(for a while)[modern science is way forward] don't you cut the onion from head "the roots". Look, this is from Joe Root. Always get neglected, sir, keep your private part uncut, at least in your next generations. Not in next, then coming. by cutting cover of penis are you not punishing Allah. What does Allah do wrong with momin/momina, I agree you are atheist. You choosen wrong mirror to write your poetry, If you could choose the right mirror, then Naam Shabana. You could be the poetry minister of any country. Sorry😢.
This has nothing to with modern science.his rationality only kicks in when it comes to hindu thought process.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan along with utter hatred for other religions nd gods.he is just opposing nd questioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do.he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community
@@Sameer-wy7cy and your rationality seems to only disappear when it comes upon hindu religion being an atheist means that one have given up his religion so on one hand u call him atheist and on the other hand you say that he is stern follower of Islam,how could that be? . About the death penalty in Islam for being atheist that's what Javed is saying that faith if exercised in wrong way can legitimise worst of actions done by a human being,he also gave an example of suicide bomber and think he was referring about Islam and it's wrong interpretation.There are many controversial things and they are present in every religion,same goes for hindu religion too as for Islam and Christianity and others.
@@Sameer-wy7cy every religion is a guide book to discipline people as we all live in a social group. But as time went, lot of rules and claims made by this book of faith, felt out of place and outdated. Of these lot, Islam seems to be the most outdated one and I agree with it. Having said that, other religion such as Hindu Christianity Buddhist etc are not free from outlandish claims and suggestions as well. Common sense should be ruled supreme to all these…
If our scientists relied on common sense ..you couldn't be able to use smartphone...someone's belief helps us to develop not common sense...just think about that
@@sahoo82 I am talking about Ramanujan saying that a Goddess helps him to Find the mathmatical number...it may be right or wrong Don't know...But it was his belief
@@sahoo82 And Bro..common sense is also coming from those 5 senses which we have..argue with someone for learning not for Ego.simple fact presented By Sadhguru
@@medaesthetic1365 who is denying the five senses, the problem is sadhguru trying to explain the six sense dimension in a vague and convoluted way, that is subjective. By the way it guru is fake... Check out his video reaction and you'll know better how manipulative he is with words.
One guru advised him not to use mind ..i dont know whose guru said this..but i certainly understood that he has taken it seriously.....matlab....gajab ki line kahdi........😗😎
But the fact is Mr. J is the proponent of mind..... whereas the guru is the opponent of mind. And Mr. J says that he has never taken any guru seriously to this taunt by the guru.
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@sreenivasb9348 prove the method. If an athlete will say to you solve 1000 maths problems before relay race, you will believe him? No, because it doesn't make any sense. You have to explain the method scientifically and logically, he doesn't do that, he just say to follow the method, specially when he is just a self proclaimed specialist,and on the top of that he spreads pseudoscientific nonsense.
@@sreenivasb9348 Getting scammed and conned is a practice, so is becoming a scammer and con-artist. The trick is to have a parameter to distinguish between getting scammed and getting value out of a barter. If a barter system is to console you and give you false hope then there's no point of becoming great at that placebo effect which has no real end result other than feeling dopamine of accomplishment while doing nothing. You can actually be an accomplished man with a resume of excellence or you can convince in your head that you're an accomplished man and you don't need any resume or work to support that!! Also, tell me one thing, if you find ultimate spirituality and others are rejecting that, why go extra mile to sell that spirituality to get more dimwits in your bandwagon? Makes no sense, you already found Nirvana and others don't want that, yet you will take their worldly possession to give your most cherished nirvana for their possession...MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!! Is it because if you don't share and convince the nirvana you gained to other dimwits, someone will snatch it away from you. Just stupidity and making more of the same herd!
Me too..reading the comments section..what a turnover.. the people there praising Javed akhtar for his rationality while his getting battered here for the same😂😂 as sadhguru said..it's about perceptions 😂
This is the beauty of Hinduism. You can question anything, even the existence of God like Brahma, Vishnu or Mahesh can be questioned. You have the full liberty to pray anyone. Even if you do not pray, that is also okay. It is not like Islam where your head will be removed from your torso if it offends the feelings of Muslims even if done indeliberately. Deen main aqal ka dakhal nahin. As far as yogic techniques are concerned, it can not be explained to anyone till the time you do it and realises the loads of energy in these mudras. All these mudras can make you feel and see even those things which you cannot see or feel from your five senses. It opens those portions of your brain which are never explored even till your death. Once you do it properly for a finite period of time, you will not be against Sadhguru. Shambhavi Mudra can make you feel in a different zone. Lord Shiva does it.
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
11 year back I don’t know where I was but after hearing this debate I feel proud to see I am on good path as javed ji mentioned. And in the current time of Indian politics and Indian mind set it’s difficult to find a rational mind because most of them are busy following the vishvaguru in the name of LORD RAMA but they also know the truth that there is no way we are living under RAM RAJYA.
Even when you are on a wrong path u keep realizing that u ve been fed poison..when i was supporting this fascist regime in 2017 , there was something in me that kept telling me something is not right...( now i realise it was extreme right😂).
@@mob2336 I'm not a great fan of javed either. However, things go wrong when someone shares stage with SADHGOAT and point out where he is going wrong then he starts stammering (irrespective of this very occassion). This so called guru appears to be omniscient (according to his dim-witted followers) when he is made to speak alone.
@@sim7717 LOL katwe can u point out where tf sadhguru said something wrong or from his imagination.Even u know that whatever he tells is from our practical lives which we all experience and so there is no space for any lies.
3 years ago I am on the side of javed sir. Now I understood sadhguru. This is what maya means. and I dont know about javed sir but I am sure sadhguru is well aware about this maya. sometimes reason will help you. sometimes faith will help you. sometimes reason can kill you and same with faith. when sadhguru says dont identify with mind, he means dont identify with these dualities. he wants us go behind these dualities.
btw... aapki thodi si knowledge ko expand krne ke liye:- Fantasy- ek pari aayegi aur mujhe udaa ke le jayegi Facts- accepting "pari-wari nhi aayegi", khud efforts lagayenge... invention ke liye idea sochenge, shuru me fail honge lekin ek din to aeroplane banega, ek din to udega. Apni imagination ko reality bna do😌
@@defaulter4087 description diya tha?? bachhe, vo bs source of imagination tha agr kisi ne Aladdin ke flying carpet ko imagine krke flying car banayi hoti to iska mtlb ye nhi hota ki Aladdin ne flying car ka formula diya tha🤷🏿♂️ or ye sun earth ke distance wala zara logic explain krna😂😂 (science student h na to units ka to pta hi hoga)
if i remove all the vocals and see the muted video... i found person on left very calm and chearfull and person on right a very impatient, impulsive and very annoying... i was tht he gonna hav heart attack any moment.... this simly reflects the difference between an atheist and mystic....... oh and the moderator is the crow which they have shown in the beginning..
sameer duggal ohhh that s the ans i was looking for thank u for saying this behalf of me...en chutiyo k beech jana he nhe chahiye tha...they just keep saying their raag jo hmesha se gaatey aaye hai...bhains k aagey been bajana aaj dekh b liya
Meditation helped me during my years of depression. Spirituality, among other ‘ methods’ can take you out of a mental dark pit. I don’t believe that spirituality is just nonsense philosophy of some modern gurus. Their is so much written and practiced since ages, and even today when l took this methods help, it helped
Javed Akhtar is thinking like How I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense and Spirituality let me give an Example for it. An athlete sitting and thinking about winning he may or may not win and the challenges he faces in the journey is common sense. Thinking of Methods to win and following it is what sadhguru said that’s spirituality. Now everyone knows common sense speaks both advantages and disadvantages. No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
Amazing just how people find ways to defend him😂 What you dont realise that what your athlete is accumulating in his mind ,the data he gained, the methods he's thinking of to dominate, all that is not spirituality but the accumulation of common sense fighting with their respective sport and gaining info overtime on how to become better. All that my friend is simply just effort and logical inference of it.
i think its important to mention that you a muslim before mentioning something good, genuine or intellectual. otjerwise people will never realise that the comment is made by a muslim.
Javed said Ramanujan was a human being he cannot be right all the time. This was in reference to the comment from the anchor that Ramanujan claimed that all he knew was from a Goddess. So javed basically denied that. But ....Same things apply for Muhammad. He claims that he has got instructions from Allah. Now Muhammad was also a Human being and he cannot be right. So basically a religion was found out of nowhere.
Just like our elders decide some rules for the house, because they have more wisdom, similarly Muhammad decided some rules for Muslims, because of his understanding of himself and the world around him, and I'm sure he wasn't alone there, there must be many people around him, helping him, his friends, colleagues and all, nothing too fancy about it
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@sreenivasb9348 very well put sir 👍👌👌👌only people who have meditated knows the real benefits of it others just preach,I also used think like Javed sahab before doing any meditation as if I know everything Javed sahab used to visit osho for every evening session in Pune later he read few books about atheists n just used those statements here in the debate, basically improvising from whatever he learnt over the years about atheists Meditation does things which no doctor no medicine no family friends can do for us,most practical thing ever invented thanks to our ancestors of India🙏😊
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
Yes thats is what has been said many times by osho too that knowledge is the stumbling block and because you think you know everything because you have education and a degree from a renouned university you start to think that you know everything and that's where you wont accept things that were not taught by someone through your life.
@@bobby3787Osho is not a good example if you know about his life. Then again people with education and knowledge are the ones who created almost everything that we use today in our society. Only low IQ idiots with education will think that because they have education they don't have to learn anything new.
Really??do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan along with utter hatred for other religions nd gods.he is questioning nd debating guru like an intellectual when his own community lacks minimal rationality when it comes to religion.he is just opposing nd questioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do.he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community
@@mohit_10 wt afterlife fool??hindus have concept of reincarnation or dissolution(moksha)of human soul into universal soul(param atma).do u even know hinduism??hinduism have had atheist from ancient times.thy were called charvaka sect, who questioned everything abt god nd dharma in hinduism nd its allowed in hinduism.shatrarta meaning debate is the soul of hinduism.u just need to be a good human nd do good karma ,no need of god worship or belief nd this kind person is also a perfect hindu.its all in our scriptures.i dnt give a fnck if javed questions sadguru.bt being so called atheist nd being from chuslim background ,he should be first questioning his own bloodthirsty cult nd thts the quality of real atheist.wt scripture nd religion does taliban,al queda etc,follow??thy follow pure chuslam,word to word.terorists are not misusing scripts bt are exact followers of it nd thts the true face of so called peacefull chuslam.let their population increase nd u will see mughal times allover again
Right now Karnataka High court is being the judge..... I guess you guys have to start "Save the fraud " campaign... But Modi ji ache mitra hai to jyaada problem nahi honi chahie..
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@Strangercommenter because I have seen this video few times over years,trust me Javed sahab is just talking irrelevant things,he is repeating what he read from books basically contradicting what Sadhguru just said in video everything u have is an accumulation of what u have absorbed, meditation helps a person what doctors n medicine can't do and Javed sahab is saying spiritual journey is bs? really?I have myself done many forms of meditation over years n every one has different benefits,Javed sahab himself used to attend every session of Osho at Pune back in the days every evening then he read few books about atheists n thinks he is smarted because he doesn't believe in God or spirituality,if some people get peace of mind by thinking about his god n feels positive what's the problem?his son is a prime example of what a dumb person is went to CAA protest without reading the bill n said itney log aaye hai toh kuch hoga he Don't follow sadguru as blind bhakt but atleast learn good things from him Trust me u will also grow in few year n re-watch the video with new unbiased thinking
@@sanatansanskriti8704 another half literate......sadaguru has a propaganda bcs his livelihood depends on it not javed.....he is a writer...sadaguru has to con people to make a living......damn the irony is totally lost on fools like you
@@AKASHSINGH-tx5rc today writers have the most dangerous weapon in the world....they slowly slowly turns mind based on their observations...take example as the wire ,the print and all foreign channels
Javed ji ko samaj nahi hai....what sadhguru said about beyond...its all about a state of mind,the intellect....javed is just doing a debate with a normal thought process.
Jaggi Vasudev have nothing but only skillful in playing with words and meanings that too in a way that cannot be understood by common people. Round and round and round 🙏🏻
if you have had sense then you would understand it. Try to understand what he means, dont just be biased to anyone, try to listen to both of them without being on one side
Learn about the origin of the universe.... evolution of life ...try to understand it or watch the shows that explain them...like the show COSMOS. believe me you will start questioning yourself and everything around you and slowly start loosing faith in the irrational and illogical thing you believe in (religion) But anyway we live in a free country ... believe whatever you want but do consider logic , reasoning, evidence etc.
I am also here.. After 7 years.. When I have seen this video.. I got interested in to Spirituality.. Then I studied this.. Today I am researching on this from one of the most premium institutes.. All I can say.. I see there is hardly separate stand points of debating here.. As 80% time.. They are talking the same in different languages and different understanding of the same..
I find only one thing from this debate and that is sprituality gives us a positive way to live life and it gives kind waves.....and these things u can see by mr. Javed akhter face which have only negative face
Human has created religion and not the other wise...we simply underestimate the power and capacity we house as a human being...Our creations are so powerful that we are falling prey to our own creativity and that's spectacular and dangerous at the same time.
🤣🤣🤣 kuch bhi. He himself contradicted everytime he tried to explain things. All he was doing was desperately trying to take down Sadhguru image not his philosophy. He says he is an atheist because songs and dance are haram in his cult. But then promotes his cult whenever he gets an opportunity. He might have confronted some maulana not guru like he confessed.
I will tell you people a story. There was a 5 year old kid and a man who sold scientific calculators. You know what the kid said when he met that man "Your toys are so bad".
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
even javed hasnt fully understood his mind thats why he is a moron who is speaking trash beacause it is proven in the current era by the scientist that there is a subconsious mind but rather accepting it there are fools like you who belive in javed
I am a Christian . Yes I am a BJP suppporter . they call us krisanghi in south.. No wonder Jaggi is invited in US, UN , Arab countries etc etc .. and loveday Javed in pakistan.. Shows the standard.. Aukaat mei farak.. javed lost the debate as soon as the Jaggi vasudev Opened his mouth .. just like that.. He was shown his place.. 🤣🤣Javed looked helpless like palestine and jaggi as Israel Mossad !
No. He is not. In one mushaira he said he has to show face to Allah. An atheist would never say that. He is a spineless Jihadi in the garb of an atheist.
Really??who said he is an atheist.do u even know there is death penalty for atheist in kuraan.he is just opposing nd quesrtioning hindu thought as a devout muslim would do.he wont question any muslim cleric abt kuran nd mohmed, when the entire world suffers from extremism from his community
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
You are obsessed with only western culture and look down on Indian culture because u have a servile colonial dog mentality. U are a western bootlicker. U think u sound smart because u said Kierkegaard, u are not ur an idiot just like them. U are limited into ur thought and emotion which u have gathered from outside, there fore it is not you. Instead of being a western bootlicker next time say patanjali and abhinavacharya, Shankaracharya and Krishnamurthy. U probably don’t even know them and look down on them because ur a western bootlicker and servile colonial dog.
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@sreenivasb9348boxing is a real sport, there is nothing mysterious about it. You have to explain the method and how it will work, how did you reach to that method? Explain it scientifically
if you understand closely. somewhere they are talking same thing..just that they have explored and experienced it in different paths of human system. And you like it or not..we need both of them and the anchor totally gets it hats off to her wonderful job...still if in a society we have to see which one wins?..i think instead of going with the words i would see action. who worked better for the country, society and world just look at that you will get the answer. Thank you
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@sreenivasb9348brother..mike tyson can very much convince me about his technique to win...if he gives me logic which i am sure he have...he will tell me how to dodge a punch while attacking at the same time with all the consequences and probabilities ...then i will surely understand and follow...boxing is no magic that a layman cant understant without experiencing and now stop spamming ur bullshit or debate with me
@@vishals7433 but India mai enterance exam hote hi nahi, maine toh aajtak keval entrance exam hi diya Aur entrance exam is to find out your competitive capabilities (which is also important in some fields in this world) not your knowledge and neither your righteousness 🙏,aur kitne log nahi bhi dete hai tab bhi bohot aagye jatye hai
Spiritual gurus over engineer human lives and Sadhguru is a master of it. Playing with words and evading key questions is his style. I was his follower too many years back and then rationale prevailed. And Javed Saab, you blew my mind. I have always believed there isn't any difference between our lives and that of a mosquito. Shoma Chaudhry is easily the best moderator there is. Thank you mam.
I couldn’t understand what sadhguru was talking about but I could easily understand the meaning of each word said by javed akhtar which is to value your own thinking and common sense. Don’t follow anyone blindly. We want more debates like these.
Hinduism is targeted because you can question Hinduism. If Islam would be questioned it will no longer exist. Has anybody ever seen a debate on Islam with non Muslims participation.
Hinduism is not Dharma or culture as Athens and foreigners used just beczo we lived near Sindhu river and our way of living and social interaction and worship and daily routine and then we called Hindu becoz we perform some daily routine and slowly it was considered as dharm or culture Like Muslims Jain boddh Christ we don't have any person who started to be called as originator as phrophet and Jesus Indeed from Alexander to gaznavi from him to aurangzeb and then britishers but still we are sharing enough share in the world's population becoz we are inclusive and optimistic in our life and don't dare to hurt an ant just becoz we see life in everything.
Akhtar has peeled the so called 'sad'guru layer by layer.... totally clean bowled n white washed. Bravo 🎉💯👌🏾👏👏. Salute to Javed Saab for taking up a challenging job n excelling at it. Respect 🙏
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
@@onlyitj A wise person never lets anger overtake himself. Javed may never had got a teacher who taught him the principles of islam correctly due to which he became an atheist. Sadhguru is a yogi, a wise person. He knows what to speak at what time. Am not saying that all he says is right but he speaks sensibly, calmly like a saint while Javed is raging like a mad bull
@@onlyitj but that's the problem he only understand everything with crude scientific logic that demands "measurement".. If it can't measure it isn't scientific... And not everything in the universe is "measurable"... Just like he said about Ramanujan... Just becoz he can understand it... It means he is wrong.. 😂
Exactly, 90% of the comments here are by intellectually bankrupt, emotionally charged and credulous Sadguru fanatics who have no idea of how to distinguish fact from fiction.
Javed Akhtar is thinking like the way I was thinking in my teen. Sadguru talks about methods and longevity. Javed vs Sadhguru = common sense vs Spirituality.. Let me give an example for it. If you ask Mike Tyson about boxing he will tell you some methods to win but can’t convince a lay man who uses common sense to ignore what Mike Tyson said. I request everyone to watch this video in following manner: *No Athlete becomes successful until he uses some method to accumulate qualities to win. * Athlete boost his qualities over practice. *Spirituality is a process of methods and practices. It has to be done then discuss. *If it is discussed without doing it.. Javed speech seems right. So If I watch this whole video considering Sadhguru as some Athlete and Javed as someone who is using common sense. Athlete knows what he is talking! But can’t convince others.
Both agree with that " if I think I know it ,then my mind will stop working. If I agree that I donot know everything and I will never know everything then A curiosity to know ,to understand will be generated and only then I will start researching about it ."
@@sontsa1597 It goes for all mam . But one must show respect to the person who's much noble in his life and goal than you. None of them can be equalise to what Ramanujan was and talking with such disrespect for Ramanujan just shows the arrogance and illiteracy of the man.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NgeRAIK3KFM.html People who are clapping, people who are judging who won and who lost, people who are getting arrogant... please know that this is an intellectual discussion. One should remain serious and just try to learn from these two people. This is not a comedy show. Please watch this video to understand the value of arguments in learning process.
@@sontsa1597 well funny thing is Javed Claims to be poet when he doesn't even want to wonder why musquito is there lol? He wants to live like animal and stop seeking. As for Sadguru being right. Sadguru never promised that. The difference here is not about being right and wrong. The distinction is between more wrong and less wrong. And Javed was acting like an animal who is satisfied lol. And by the way his so called science also tried to find why musquito is there lol.
सद्गुरू: हम इस ग्रह पर क्यों है। जावेद: क्योंकि इस ग्रह पर मच्छर है। सद्गुरू: हम इस ग्रह पर क्या करने आए है। जावेद: जो मच्छर करने आए है। एक आदमी बहुत ज्यादा पहुंचा हुआ है।😁😁😁🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” Mark Twain. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6tozeaDnki8.html
Ye sale sadhguru ke followers ko koi kam nahi hai, khud se kuch hota ni to ek koi na koi leader chahiye inhe. Baki Javid kitne bho logic dal le, in followers ko lagega Javed he bewakoof hai par inko ye nahi pata ki asli bewakoof to ye log hai jo sadhguru jese dhongio ko ameer bana the hai bina baat. Ab log bolenge me javed akhtar ka fan hun. Abe bhai agar koi insan logics use karta hai and tum uski side lo to tum uske fan nahi ho jaate. Rahi bat sadhguru ki, koi logic nahi baato me, bas spiritual hone ki acting kar do. Janta me to dimaag hai nahi.
