Edit: I made a new video with the proof that this is indeed Satan ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SuZ3fFVIhhs.htmlfeature=shared Original Comment: This is different from my other uploads but I didn’t see any other clips of this and it’s pretty interesting so I decided to post this, this is recorded from this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wEboVre0zT8.htmlfeature=shared I have no affiliation with them this was just the first video I found for this
@@Ponera-Sama John is a priest, in this conversation, by just the first words alone, he should've understand that this figure is the devil, God doesnt grant wishes like he's a genie or making you swore an oath condemning a little girl. By John conversation with father alfred we can already see that john is not the most, lets say, faithfull of the priests, he has many doubts and dont realy know how to comfort people, what doomed Amy in the end was the fact that John faith was not strong enough to let him belive that he could actually do it. Unfortunately some of your actions have consequences that affect other people and not just yourself, and that was his sin until the end of chp 3
I love this interpretation of Satan. Like, you have this whole horror series with major demons, some made up but others borrowed from ancient mythology. Then when the prince of darkness himself shows up, he acts as a neutral observer. Airdorf could have made him into the most repulsive and abominable creature imaginable but instead stuck with the most biblically accurate presentation of him there is.
It’s actually scary how for the longest time this was seen as God helping John, but now it could be Satan trying to get rid of competition from The Unspeakable
I think it's implied that had John gone through with the exorcism he would have saved Amy. Satan took advantage of John's fear and made a deal that for allowing him to leave, Amy's soul would be lost forever. It's less of Satan getting rid of competition but instead removing the one man who could've foiled Gary's, Satan's, and the Antichrist's plan.
@@Felix-on9dr I’m chapter 3 it shows Amy during the first exorcism, and she still has a face. To go through the second death you need the whole face carved out thing. So John leaving her there let her go through the second death
I honestly felt really sorry for John at this point. He's been pushed to his absolute breaking point, so yeah, he chooses not to save Amy.... which is normally unforgivable in these sorts of stories.
I love how in the bad ending of chapter 3 Amy says,”UNFORGIVABLE” because it not only hammers in that he did something horrible. But that in the good ending he was forgiven. Absolutely beautiful story telling
It honestly makes John such an interesting priest character in media. While many priest characters will go head-on and take on the demon using a prayer without fear. John couldn't save Amy from the demon possessing her because this was beyond his capabilities. Ending up making a deal with the devil to leave. Then destroying his mind from that horrific experience. What John did is unforgivable, but I can't help but feel what a normal person would do if they encountered something terrifying.
Let’s change the conversation, I know a lot of people in this reply thread really care about ethics and Christianity so I’m gonna give some media suggestions. If you’re more interested in ethics than Christianity in itself a wonderful show to watch is “The Good Place” its on Netflix and Peacock I think, excellent show on ethics and morality. If you’re more interested in Christianity then the RU-vidr wendigoon has excellent videos on Dante’s Divine Comedy, Paradise Lost and Regained, and even FAITH: The Unholy Trinity. Stay nice everyone! Don’t be antisemitic, zero tolerance
i know its been said dozens of times but i just absolutely love how satan is handled in this. satan doesn't appear as a demon or a malevolent figure instead he comes in the appearance of an angel like the one he used to be. He doesn't force John to make the decision to leave in fact he asks if this is really the course of action he wishes to take and only once John as sworn that this is indeed the path he wishes to tread does he act after all sin is something you invite into yourself its not thrust upon you. Many pieces of media have portrayed deals with the devil but honestly i can't say i've seen a better depiction then this.
Pay attention to details here: Satan calls John “Son of Man.” Any preacher who follows the scripture of God, Jesus and their mortal followers (Apostles) are referred to as: “Son of God”.
@@sbraypaynt I’m pretty sure the general argument that Christians make is that since god is all knowing and all present he knows what is the morally bets option. So free will must be so good that it is better than any evil that could be prevented
To be fair, 9/10 glowing dude enters a room helping you from danger, probably god. Satan is effectively the 1 dentist out of 10 who doesn’t like the toothpaste in the commercial
Wait but V1 is called son of Man and also John ward does that mean JOHN WARD IS V1? WHICH MEANS JOHN WARD ULTRAKILL IS REAL AND V1 FAITH THE UNHOLY TRINITHY IS ALSO REAL
And if s/he likes you enough, makes no offers and sits across the table for a cup of coffee or tea. The conversations will be... interesting, to say the least.
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yeah, when i went through here the first time got my ass jumpscared shitting bricks because i was playing on the keyboard, but with a ps4 controller connected resting on my fucking wooden desk going rumble like crazy
@@towerdefensebrigadebackup yes but Satan has no name, its a title. Christians also call the Serpent the Satan. I’m not very well acquainted with spiritual beings but the title can be used varyingly, in the Old Testament, they most likely used the term Satan for pagan gods or deceivers of men, in short, enemies of God. The devil can take on many forms. If you make the assumption Satan is Lucifer, then why didn’t the gospel say it was Lucifer who tempted Jesus in the desert? In revelations, Satan is a dragon and is defeated, cast into the eternal flame. Death has no mainstay name, he is simply called the adversary.
@@user-vs6oe8fl3m “Above all, my brothers and sisters, do not swear-not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. All you need to say is a simple “Yes” or “No.” Otherwise you will be condemned.” (James 5:12). James warns us that God would never ask us to swear on anything, so an entity asking you to swear something to IT directly is not God, but something unholy.
@@nikel- We are talking about a world where God allows demons to go rampant. He is clearly aiming for the least amount of direct intervention as possible, and it implies making sure the guy you're gonna interven for isn't gonna require more intervening by breaking a deal.
I think…that is what Satan wanted. He knew that John would make a second attempt to exorcise Amy and ultimately destroy the Cult and the Unspeakable in the process (who, what we get in the lore describing it: pretty high up in the echelons of Hell), thus ridding himself of a rival. Of course by nature, Satan would be all for the Anti-Christ project. So if John was to fail he would still get his way.
I knew it wasn't God the moment he said to "swear it", when Jesus was very clear that we aren't allowed to swear on anything, as we can't even make a single of our hair turn color, nor the qty of it. Let our yes's mean yes's, and our no's mean no's. Anything more is from the evil one. Literally said right there that it's form the evil one, in other words, Satan!
“Her fate being sealed upon thine head” could be interpreted as John receiving the mark of the beast on his forehead, condemning him to hell for all eternity.
Makes me think of a quote from father popov in the world war z game, if John ever learns about this being the truth: “He (God) is with me in this life, and that is all that matters.”
Upon replaying and completing the game, my conclusion has changed. This event takes place prior to chapter 1 when John first encounters Amy. His fear prevents him from finishing the job and he makes a deal with the devil to escape Amy, condemning Amy to death. (the devil deal made means she can no longer be exorcized and survive.) Out of context it would seem he received the mark of the beast, but it was just a ploy to prevent John from saving Amy and preventing the antichrist from being summoned. In the true ending the antichrist is stopped, Amy is still doomed but may rest in peace now.
I think it means the nightmares he has are supernatural in nature, and that his PTSD is in part an actual curse. That in exchange for safely leaving he will never be able to forget and will never be able to move on, her fate being sealed upon his head meaning that what happened to her will forever weigh on his mind.
The fact that he doesn't rush you into the, frankly, unforgivable sin you're committing is somehow even more sinister than other interpretations where Satan tries to get people on, like, raw impulse or technicality. He fully goes "Listen, I can absolutely do what you want, but you do understand exactly what you're asking, and exactly who you're asking it from, right? And you know what that means? All right, then. If you're sure."
I don't think John knows who, just what He's taking it slow because, well, a sin is something he persuades someone to do, he doesnt force them to commit it
Interestingly, Satan sorta wasn't fallen at all according to earlier texts, just an accuser/adversary doing it's sinner prosecuting job. Maybe even as lowercase satan, a job title (no difference between "the" and "a" articles is a pain)
Y’know, I originally didn’t make the connection that this was supposed to take place back during the failed exorcism. I thought it was when John finally reached Gary due to when this cutscene started so I didn’t realize that it was supposed to actually be Satan in disguise. This makes a lot more sense. Though that raises questions about who the UNSPEAKABLE is, or at least Satan’s exact connection it…
From what lore we get of the Unspeakable, it appears to be a Greater Demon/Abomination within the Upper Echelon of Hell(as in VERY high in the power structure). If Lucifer/Satan ever held consul, you can bet your ass it would be sitting there, giving its opinion with the other named Demons of Hell. Now Lucifer/Satan is a VERY smart being by default, the plans within plans kind of guy, he didn’t have to save Dave even though he was a neutral observer to the exorcism and ONLY appeared when Dave asked for anyone BUT God to come help him but he did so anyone. Had Dave kept his nerve the exorcism would have been complete and Amy saved from damnation, but since he didn’t this allowed Lucifer to keep him as a pawn, Satan by nature would still be all for the Anti-Christ project, but since he knew that Dave would make a second attempt to shut down the project for good, would use this as an opportunity to get rid of the Unspeakable as a rival. Either way, Lucifer/Satan would get his way.
I like this interpretation of Satan. He isnt as crass as his compatriots. He doesn't rip people open and do terrible things with entrails and tentacles and boney spider legs. He doesn't smeer blood all over the walls and carve unholy symbols into rotting corpses. He offers John a choice, he even informs him precisely of what the consequences will be, and John *chooses* to do the wrong thing.
An interesting thought I have on here is that Satan is white no because he's disguising as God, but because he IS God's Right Hand Man. This could be from the passage of Job and Zachariah times where he's the one to test and tempt humans, remind God of their evils to see if they're worthy to enter Heaven or not.
@@ssjpanda8417 That depends on where you’re looking at, because in the New Testament, it’s often regarded that Lucifer = Satan but not in the Old Testament, where Satan is more of a title means ‘adversary’ or ‘opposer’.
Satans Rebellion was because he was disgusted that a creature was made in the image of god Satan is actually the most fearful follower of the lord that he rejects the lord because he revers him so much but in his state of evil by rejecting his he acts in anyway he can to cause damage to the humans that he hates but at gods command he will cower because he understands the power of god like no other
Job has to be understood in the context that it isn't a historical book, but one of the wisdom books. These books are, for the most part, meant to teach a lesson. The context for Job is that there was a long-standing mainstream belief even up to the time of Jesus that rich people got all their wealth because they were very good, and the poor and unfortunate had sinned somehow and deserved their horrible fate. Job is one of those books that challenged this cruel and wrong notion, showing Job to be a virtuous man who suffered for no apparent reason, but continued to be virtuous. I wouldn't say that it's theological proof of Satan being cool with God or somehow virtuous himself. The word for Satan in Hebrew also merely means "tempter", and is used in many ways. For example, when Jesus tells his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem to suffer his Passion and death, Peter tries to tell him that they shouldn't go so that such a horrible thing doesn't befall Jesus. In response, Jesus tells Peter "get behind me, Satan" and calls him a stumbling block, which we might better understand as him calling Peter an (unwitting) tempter. After all, Jesus was afraid to face it, so much that he prayed for it not to happen and sweated blood, so surely hearing Peter tell him to simply not go was a temptation, one that he ultimately avoided as he continued on.
It’s worth noting in those particular stories that Satan’s temptations being approved by God is potentially evidence that the “Satan” that appears in those stories is not Lucifer but another Angel, as the name “Satan” just means something along the lines of “One who obstructs,” and is a more of a title than a name, with Lucifer acting as God’s primary “Satan” but even Angels who diligently serve God could become “Satans” in contexts like these. I’ve heard some mention that the Angel who brought about Job’s suffering may have been the Angel Mastema but I’m no religious scholar so idk
It already gives us clues to pick up from the start The first and most solid one, is that if you have the aberration filther on, It increases intensity if you are close within some powerfull demons such as alu, mirror, the profane and as you guessed, the white entity But not only that, Biblically speaking, the white entity does a few odd things It already starts of by saying "what is thou wish?" as if it was some sort of genie Then, Holy spirits as much as you yourself can swear oaths and vows, wont make you "Swaer it" on anything at their behalf, as if the holy spirits have contracts going on within themselves, any change to the heart made trough the Lord's example come naturally and willingly from the disciples Then, the entity instead of offering solace, very softly prompts that "amy's fate will be sealed upon thine head"... Wich is just flat dead weird, The creature would supposedly work to God, wich holds the snap of fingers that can end world hunger, violence, and the slavery of the sinning souls, Yet it wont simply make earth the eden because thats not the point if change dosent come from within, So the creature, wich hold all odds, have demmed "her fate sealed" at one of God's workers single moment of weakness, is weird
@@rezandrarizkyirianto-1933 Well said, its a great symbolism, Jonh started saying "God, please help me", and when he believed nothing happaned, he then desperately said "ANY ONE please help me"
this is a really good representation of satan because satan was never meant to be some horned guy who is trying to kill you, he wants to give you everything you have wanted and lead you from away from God, he tries do it by any means good or bad. I think people sometimes get satan mixed up with other Evil Gods from mythologies, but satan isn't suppose to be scary and he isn't a god with unlimited power, he is comforting(in an earthly way) and wants you to join him, and thats what makes him scary, its the little things that let him see his way into life and make you too comfortable in this world that is temprary and fading.
Ooooh I got chills, it's so subtle. He even looks safe, white light, powerful presences and strong but smoothing words. Yet he never feels holy, he feels... not quite right, his words, mannerisms aren't holy there's a subtle manipulation and eerie sinister feeling the longer you see and listen to him. That's when you realize that's no angel, it's another demon, yet it's worse than demon you've seen, because this one is willing to help and not harm you. It's giving you want you want on a silver plater. God doesn’t give you something that isn’t earn from your hands. It's so easy for anyone to fall prey to this monster, it's beautiful, safe and alluring yet there's a price to pay. Your safety for the girl's life, truly that's devious.
Honestly whenever i saw this part, i never saw anything directly wrong with it, but that ‘SWEAR IT.’ My gut lining, every single cell of it felt like it was screaming to me. Yet all i could feel from it was a this weird sense of doubt. It makes sense now.
“Let our hearts admit, “I am poor and weak. Satan is too subtle, too cunning, too powerful; he watches constantly for advantages over my soul. The world presses in upon me with all sorts of pressures, pleas, and pretences.” - John Owen
I did a project on satain and the devil in school and something i learned is well in some version of the bible he is evil, some of them it's just his job to temp people with sin.
In the Old Testament, Satan is said to accuse and tempt. No further elaboration upon what he is. The New Testament does touch upon what he is, which is how we get the modern interpretation of Satan. It is either 2 different interpretations, or the same, with some of the texts not elaborating.
small thought, you think Satan wanted John to come back and stop Gary? If that's the case then Satan basically put John in the time out corner. "Take 30, and you better get rid of that wanna be me." "What?" "UH-... That wanna be Satan."
airdorf explained in an interview with wendigoon that the reason satan doesnt appear much throughout the story is due to his belief that you have to try and reach out to satan in order for him to answer. johns desire to leave the house is what allowed satan to come in and influence him to his own benefit bc john was looking for anyway to make it out alive, even at the cost of dealing with the most unspeakable of all evils. if youre curious about the faith games and have any unanswered questions id highly recommend that interview with wendigoon bc it helps you understand why airdorf made the choices he did when designing these games
@@mattgroening8872 a priest meeting satan would be interesting. a priest would have god on his side which is the only thing Satan fears so like if would be as if a weak Allied NPC tried to fight the Final Boss but he was too important to the story to die yet.
I remember feeling a bit unsettled when I saw this scene, but I put it aside thinking that's just Airdorf's interesting take on god's appearance and aura. But yeah it hit me rn, if god did just appear like that in front of you, "Faith" would become pointless.
It's made apparent by the fact that God does not fix your problems for you, but rather makes you stronger so you can you fix them yourself. What the Unspeakable (Satan) is doing here is a thing he is known for, trickery.
I’ve been getting a lot of comments about this so I’m making a new video featuring the proof. But basically airdorf in a twitter AMA and the Wendigoon interview quoted 2 Corinthians 11:14,”And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.” when questioned about this scene
@@10Apple23 the creator of the game confirmed on twitter and in an interview that this is Satan, stating that he is masquerading as an angel of the light
Interesting that Satan here calls John one of the titles of the messiah, is he playing into an ego or something? idk what the point of that is unless it is just literal
Son of Man was used more literally in the Old Testament of many people. I believe that it was in Isaiah that it was given a messianic association, to do with the prophecies foretelling the coming of Jesus.
As an agnostic, I see Satan as a unique individual. Defined as the source of all evil, many picture them as a slippery serpent, but to god… anything that opposes him is “evil.” Lucifer was labeled as one who coveted gods power, but for what? As an angel, he understood the risk of going against god, and I have doubts that selfishness drove him. Selfishness would have driven him to suck up to god, not outright fight him. There was something else he wanted. Perhaps he didn’t agree with god. He didn’t see eye to eye, and wanted gods power to right the wrongs god committed. And god didn’t like that. So he labeled Satan as the villain, cast him down, and continued his divine enactment of sins.
Paradise lost provides a good perspective on this. Lucifer does want the knowledge and power of god, “better to reign in hell than serve in heaven”. But he even says himself his work in heaven was never hard no painful. I think the argument for god is that god knows everything, he sees from every perspective so he knows what bad information that can be hidden without it removing free will, we humans should not restrict knowledge since we are not omniscient.
@@bull1085 thank you so much, I’d suggest wendigoon’s video on paradise lost. He is christian himself so he’s biased but as an atheist i agree with his views on it. Have an amazing day!
@@placeholderdoe paradise lost is a great work, but it can be misleading as I've seen people getting wrong interpretation of it. Satan didn't disagree with good "wrong doings", Satan just disagreed. He had pride so great that when God created humanity on his own image, he felt envy, his pride was hurt. He himself felt rage, lied and manipulated 1/3 of heaven's angel into rebellion. God, as he isn't authoritarianism, saw it would happen, but let them choose. The thing is, all creation exists because of God, so choosing to rebellion automatically cast them away from heaven. They choose to be away from God and so, it happened. In paradise lost, when satan arrives at Eden and see the creation, he began to slowly feel God's presence and warmth, but as he felt regret, his pride once again was struck and it became wrath. God knew about all of this, but didn't interfere directly, because he gave them the chance to choose, the same happened with humanity. Maybe, satan himself could be forgiven if he wanted to, the thing is, he doesn't.
The game files calls Satan "angle" and I think it's fitting John is so scared for his life that he truly believes the entity Infront of him is an angel instead of Satan himself.
