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@@armedwithamxndclearly he did listen since he literally quoted JuiceHead. The real question (two actually) is: - did YOU even read? Or do you need OP's statement explained to you?
While I’m glad that we did get a update (something rather than nothing) the fact that it’s been more than a year and all it holds is: couple of bug fixes, widescreen support, console graphics upgrades, a few free creation kit additions………and that’s it is frankly absurd. I’m not expecting a whole new game but for the amount of time it took to come out it seems like very little to show for it, especially with nothing to make the game run better besides just looking a bit better.
they probably started with the PS5 and XBOX series ports which would be 'next gen', and then bundled some other stuff into it to make it a full update for the show.
@@tortellinimanthat may be an issue with their servers same thing happened when the mod menu first launched. Too many people trying at once. And I'm sure over the years they've decreased the dedicated server space.
>next gen update >22gb in size >doesn't even add basic features like an FOV slider or Vsync that should've been there since 2012 >mostly CC bloatware you can't even opt out of if you're not interested Classic Bethesfucc at work...
They could've added everything from Fallout 76 but then no one would play that, so they add a bunch of garbage on 4, while adding all the good stuff on 76, well that's my theory.
@@sniperjared Merely stating that 76 has fresh content that would be fun if it was added to 4, so that's basically the vanilla game content being back-ported to the older game, not confusing the mods, those are far better option yet lacking in canon lore-wise or originality of the vanilla.
Funny thing is any time I have a problem with a game's functionality, the first thing people suggest is turn off v-sync. I don't even know what it is. But not having it seems to help quite often.
@@HaterOfBayleif I didn’t know when this was originally announced, I would assume that what was released was just a regular patch and not a “big” next gen update.
Something I did 6 months ago. At least, I copied my entire game folder onto a secondary hard drive. If Bethesda pushes this " update" through, I simply open my game folder, delete the contents and reinsert the old game folder. I mentioned this on threads talking about when this update was still being announced, hopefully some people took my advice.
That's a good call, I better do that before I open Steam later. I got so many mods I'm not even sure if I remember how to install them in the right order to avoid certain game breaking clashes.
@@gasdorficmuncher9943 you don't even have to do that, the first thing that everyone suggests at times like this and this is a holdover from when Skyrim did. This, is to turn off automatic updating on steam. The method I stated at the beginning of this thread was a secondary fallback. And ultimate safeguard if you will
You can also do basically this with Steam console and steamdb - redownloading an older version of the game or at least the changed parts (for this it was the base files, exe, automation and workshop01 iirc)
I‘m convinced the show is a huge part. Once they knew the show (once its released) would start a huge Fallout hype again (which it did) it would THE time to put a cherry on top with the update.
@@tobybll yeah, but 2 weeks after? The show certainly brought me back to F4, but i finished my playthrough with America's Rising before the update lol. A remaster of 3 would of been so much better, especially since u actually get to spend time in a Vault.
No it wouldnt sorry but bethesdas fans are more entittled than any karen on the planet , no matter what any update or dlc will be compared to some mod some neet living in his mums basement spent every hour of every day making for iver a year if ut idbt free they whine if it costs money its not as good as some year long project where no one had any budget limits rhat no compony could maych without usin slave labour and spending a year longer than they could alow on it
Well yeah, and if I showed up to work on time I'd get a full pay check. But this is like showing up 7 hours late and wanting an "atta boy" At this point, they'd have done better to just not show up.
The funniest thing to me is that they keep calling these things "next gen" updates as they're primarily aimed at console players but the consoles have been out for almost 4 years now
@@Strike666myself I did it by setting steam to only update games when I launch them, so now I only open fallout 4 after disconnecting my pc from the wifi
@@Strike666 set it to only update on launching game in the games properties and just launch it using vortex or whatever you use to mod the game. Aslong as you dont start it from steam it works fine.
@@user-et1vh7ge9fyeah. For me it happened when starting a new new game and I had to delete the mods I had. I didn’t have many, but it was still an inconvenience. It was weird is that the audio only played when I paused the game
I respect the fact that you are being very generous in your discussion of the update on PC and I especially think you have a great attitude about seeing content you paid for becoming free for everyone. It says a great deal about your character that you feel that way. As a PC player, I found this "update" insulting and unacceptable. I fully recognize that this update was free. The problem is not the contents by itself. It's waiting for 2 years after an initial announcement with little to no communication about what this actually was that makes this so terrible. And look practically at what they did: Ultrawide support - failure, 60 FPS broken - failure, Missing critical bug fixes - failure, Mostly already existing creation club material - failure, and having ZERO graphical updates as well as no ability to play above 60 FPS without making the game unplayable - failure. The breaking of the mods is not a failure as that is going to happen no matter how good or bad the update was, but their release timing and lack of communication with Fallout London - failure. I definitely started to feel like Bethesda no longer cares as much about the PC market after what happened with Starfield launching only optimized for AMD (not even Intel processors received optimization). This just amplifies that feeling. For the first time in my life, I will NOT be buying the next Bethesda game at launch because they have lost my trust as a consumer. I will wait and see what they do and rely on people far less angry and bitter than myself to evaluate their work.
weapon debris was not actually fixed by modders they worked around it by killing its ability to collide with anything this bypassing the issue and rendering the main point of weapon debris pointless
@@qwormuli77 it wasnt implemented in the state it is in it was implemented in a working state its also not an tion that is ever automatically turned on
Betheada easily could have made this an optional free dlc but nope. And this is the company that loves to give public speeches about how they support their modders
Thank Team Folon, they are the idiots that used f4se when they knew a big update was coming. They could have released on time with a warning, they chose to use this as yet another excuse for a delay. FoLon clearly isn't ready for release.
@@Ffinityso are all modders idiots then? Most use F4SE in some way Nah plant Blame bethesda for NOT USING F4SE KNOWING MOST MODDERS USE IT AS A BASE MOD.
@@fumothfan9 "Most use F4SE in some way" Don't guess, it shows how stupid you are. F4se is a hack that breaks with any tiny code change, Team Folon knew an update was coming, this is just an another excuse for yet another delay.
Ive had a glitch with the enclave respawning after i kill them and i had to just finally run like Maximus in the show. The mission is still there as an "ambush" now. Anyone else had this?
What's worse is every single mod gets removed and their is no way to replenish the advanced mods on console that Bethesda constantly hides from adults that you only find on a lucky port day or night. Because Bethesda erases all the best mods before you can see them. We desperately need a console mod nexus for adults.
You're going to have to wait for that, mods are going to have to update and some of them probably will never be since some mod devs have stopped working on them
At least that update did something to Skyrim. This could have been a basic update and nobody would have thought differently. Nothing Next gen about this.
When I shoot that pig grenade thing, I can't see the actual weapon and what fires out of it seems to be what looks like an exclamation mark in a red box. I do like the smoother display while I'm out and about in the Commonweath, however when I wear power armor and need to get into the pip-boy, the display is snowy, making everything hard to read. I use an X-Box Series X that I purchased late last year.
In all fairness, that's not their fault. It's caused by either your system running out of memory when you reload your game or people using different resolution body or face mods.
@@jubei7259 Thats rubbish... I'm running this game on a high end computer that has 32GB ram ddr5 and the face bug has always existed in vanilla fallout 4.
the baseball launcher is currently broken in vats, it not onnly multiply the baseballs that you shoot, but it also break the enemy ragdoll physics when the enemy dies.
They didn't have nearly enough people working on it. If it were CDPR, Larian, or Bioware, they would have had way more resources put into this "update", and produced more out of it in a fraction of the time and with less bugs. BGS missed the chance for an incredible F4 update to quell the long wait for the next game, and release right when the show did.
I think the most honest thing to do at this point is to start paying all those modders who's gonna need to re-do a ton of work to update their mods to current game version. 😁 But seriously, why the "bug-fixes"? It was all fixed years ago in Unofficial patch. It's like Bethesda guys are living in a tank.
Funny story, I found out the amount of crashes I have is somehow linked to the amount of Muttfruit I have planted, I had to remove over 200 muttfruit plants which took about 2 hours.
Walden pond sewer pipe entrance and all inside has lighting issues since the update. Also get the weapon long high capacity heavy incinerator, it’s so op
@@captainpoptarts it helps mask the inner dread that this one corporate middle aged man is in charge of the entirety of my favorite franchise. Coping via daddy Todd jokes
I noticed that now, when you are indoors (in a ‘dungeon’), such as Super Duper Mart, you can now see the outside world through the windows. That is new.
ever since the update, whenever a box appears to confirm anything, like confirming a trade, customization, etc. Basically anything that you have to click OK on doesnt work. Clicking OK does nothing and the only way to get out of it is to close the game entirely
The worst thing about these updates especially for Skyrim is that the creator of The Unofficial patch of which many mods require will refuse to support older versions of the game and will only provide the patch for the most recent official Bethesda update and he has taken a very anti-modder stance by deleting or locking any comments asking for previous versions of his patch , removing other official versions of the patch from the website, and when asked about why he does this he simply says to move on and abandon all unupdated mods. And the unfortunate thing is some of the best mods on the Nexus that many people keep in their load order forever require that patch but are not available for the most recent version of the game. Many players ability to mod games like Skyrim and Fallout are being locked behind a single mod author who seems to be in cahoots with Bethesda
Never used that one, it made my game crash even more than usual, f4se and baka framework made my game last at least 3 hours without random crashes, 6 if I’m lucky enough
@@Mephilis78 it wouldn't be a problem if the mod author wasn't going out of his way to remove older versions of his patch so that players cannot use their mods
Damage Report on Xbox: * The mod menu is completely broken, with our available storage displaying as 0 B, and when you download anything, it goes into the negative numbers. * New free creation club content automatically installs (gross, get it out of my game), cannot be uninstalled, and on top of that you cannot refuse to install it in the first place. " *Update 1:* on testing, most of the makeshift weapons are missing models entirely. Also part of the ceiling in Monsignor Plaza doesn't have collision. " *Update 2:* on testing the Halloween creation club content, the TV helmet 'De-capitalist' helmet, does not appear to function when weather mods are active (tested with NAC X Lite), but works fine in the vanilla game. " *Update 3:* old issue, but thought I'd mention it here, the Tesla Cannon doesn't have reloading animations. " *Update 4:* Weird issue, but when selecting America Rising 2 to view its mod page, the error "The operation could not be completed." occurs and sends me back to the main menu. Possible error that prevents you from viewing certain mods for unknown reasons. (It isn't just America Rising 2, replicated it when attempting to view the mod page for the Heather Casdin companion mod) " *Update 5:* Not a bug, but thought I'd share this info. The Unofficial patch appears to have been updated and now requires the free creation club content given to us with the update. So maybe that might help fix some issues in-game.
@@heroicxidiot It's poorly implemented creation club content. Just because its free, doesn't mean its immune to criticism. Quite the opposite in-fact when it is forcibly implemented into the game. The quests, you don't even get through a quest-giver, they legit just appear in your quest-log. There is no new dialogue (because Bethesda are cheap despite being a multi-billion dollar company), also the content in question is just mediocre. There are mods that implement it optionally, at an infinitely higher quality.
While there is no solution for v-sync in the game settings, what you can do is leave everything at 0 in the game settings and add the F4 profile to the control panel and set vertical synchronization to off or fast, here it is It worked.
I'm on PC with a well over 900 mods, actually closer to a thousand than I think about it. Needless to say, I'm actively ignoring steam telling me that a update is required for fallout 4. , I want nothing to do with it
@@betag24cn nope, runs like a dream actually. No more fake Jetsons with a drug habit looking cars, no more whacked guns that don't make any sense or we're obviously designed by someone who was holding a stick at the time, and exactly whatever kind of content I want in it as a matter of fact. Nope, runs like a dream.
Valve needs to update the Steam Deck Verified requirements to require that all basic settings should be adjustable in-game with no restarts (with the exception of switching between DirectX, Vulcan, etc.) in order to qualify for verified status.
Some tie in to the TV show would have made a lot of sense... But it also would have required some effort and vision and sadly that is something that is completely lacking at Bethesda these days.
I have zero faith left in Bethesda after seeing this. Todd brought us amazing games but he seems to be complacent and unwilling to say "We need to make a drastic change"...I loved Bethesda games and this update has been hyped for a lot of people. I think Bethesda needs a shake up. I look back and will never forget the good days but it's clear someone needs to step in and make some major moves. I preorder Bethesda games but with Elder Scrolls I see the game being very safe, very inclusive and boring like Starfield was. Cyberpunk. BG3, Forbidden West...Fallout 4 was OK and Starfield was a bust(I did play 100+ hours but don't see them doing anything to make me play the expansion I already paid for) I want Bethesda to win but at this point I don't trust them because of how much I question what they are doing. They are doing it wrong in every way these days. Bethesda needs to look to the future and stop living in the past. Sorry Todd.
Tbh, I think their engine has just caught up with them. Starfield epitomizes that. There are obvious hard limits to what the creation engine can do, it breaks practically every time it updates, and you can’t modernize it much more than it already has been. Bethesda is a victim of its own success in a way. It’s leadership is used to making its games on this one engine, and I’m sure are worried that they’d struggle with trying to develop or adopt a new one tailored to its games. Meanwhile, its player base knows the ins-and-outs of the engine, arguably better than Bethesda at times, which has created a prolific modding culture around their games. Mods are largely what drive the success of Bethesda games nowadays, yet there’s no guarantee that Bethesda could offer the same level of moddability on a different engine, and there’s no doubt that the time it would take for players to learn how to tinker with that new engine would be a huge hit to the modding scene. So, that success traps Bethesda in a way because they’re too afraid to move on from CE, yet Starfield has made it abundantly clear that it’s really at its limit. I hope ES6 isn’t being developed on it, but it probably is, and if it is, they’re again going to drag out this ultimately necessary transition, and be forced to contend with another absolutely broken release.
@@lif6737 The engine itself isn't an issue, if you knew anything about it or listened to people who know about it, the you wouldn't be repeating that copypasta. Certain parts of the engine (freaking papyrus) and how they lab it is the issue.
I was in the middle of a playthrough on PC and I was super accurate with the laser musket. After the update, it can't hit the broadside of a barn. Even with 95% on VATS and an accuracy of 88 on the stats, it misses most of the time. My .44 revolver with a lower accuracy hits more times.
What I found was that my mods in the Main Menu area for the Mods were all gone, however, when I started my load file everything was still running. I then went to the Mod section while in game and all my mods were shown running and were visible to see in the mod section in game. Went back to the Main Menu and searched one of the non visible mods (after taking pictures) and found the mod still downloaded and applied in game, just not listed in my library. Even deleting and re-downloading did not re-add it to my library list, however, when I added it to my favorites and restarted the game, it was added to a favorite list. I recommend checking this out and see if just taking pictures of your mod list while in game and searching/adding mods to favorite will help with knowing what mods you have. It could just be a small bug with the listing in the "My Library" file/folder/section. Hope this helps, pass the word if I am right. (I run this game on PC through Xbox game pass)
They proved again and again that no one in Bethesda gives a flying f about mods and modding community... Actually, it's kinda obvious that Todd & co truly hate modders and players in general.
How Bethesda has not yet learnt to work with modders is beyond me. All they had to do was work with the script extender team and most people would be fine. A nearly decade old game shouldn’t be basically broken for many pc players due to some minor bug fixes and some content nobody really wants. Happy for console players, pissed for pc players.
@@WayStedYouI’ve heard from another comment about something to do with the script extender having a library thing behind it to prevent conflicting too hard with majority of mods with F4SE, apparenlty due to the state of Skyrim after the CC updates crashing mods consistently. So hopefully majority of mods should be fine when brought back up but I’m not sure if this is accurate, just relaying
Ha! 😂 that’s been either too naive or hopeful, if lucky scripted mods may be playable by August/September, others might never get updated again if they didn’t allow third parties to follow up their work
I don't really understand how that content adds up to 22 GB. How big is the base game, even? 30 GB? patch is adding like 2% more content but is 2/3 the size of the entire game?
Anyone notice if any mods were completely removed? Mods i created seem fine, and actually seem to be a good amount of new mods. Guess modders had the same idea as everyone else and were ready for the surfies.
I'm curious why you think the quality mode is only 30fps on series x at 4k. I played for several hours yesterday and it was running at a buttery 60fps the entire time and I was very much in the quality mode. Also, the lighting is MUCH better. It isn't a minor difference at all.
On console the mod menu is kinda messed up right now, there’s a bug where it’s dropped the mod storage to 0bytes. They’re updating the mod menu and that’s a consequence of that. It will be fixed soon
@datboicasino you mean when their creation engine actually worked because the games back then were more simple. Todd even said in an interview that nothing gets past him without his approval. What kind of leader needs to give his stamp of approval on everything, it limits creativity and destroys innovation. Todd is an outdated boomer that hasn't kept up with the times to learn to step aside for a better engine.
I'm glad they did it but it's nothing like "Next Gen" in the graphical sense, in case you guys are wondering like I was. It's just a performance/optimization patch with some minor addons.
Dude I played Vanilla FO4 on my Series X, and downtown Boston still has a max FPS of 20-30 with performance on. The one good thing though is that it didn’t crash. But still ridiculous. I can’t imagine being someone experiencing this game for the first time and having to deal with the horrible problems that still exist. When I played the game on day one in 2015 there wasn’t this many problems.
@@hakasolblooms4716 I’m assuming you were playing vanilla? Because with mods Iv been playing with the series x fine for the past 5 years perfectly fine. You just need the right mods to fix bugs and also set up your load order correctly. Yesterday I tried out vanilla without mods and Boston still drops to 20-30 fps. At least it doesn’t crash. 😅
We only got HALF the (censored) update. The first thing I noticed was that while Creation Club was updated (a) it didn't recognize CC content already installed and (b) was NOT integrated into the Mods section as demonstrated by the Elder Scrolls update. As this later update was revealed as a general business plan, we can expect ANOTHER update when Todd has to report to Microsoft later this year. Once again, Todd Howard only did HALF of his (censored) job. Fire Todd Howard!
On Xbox i keep attempting to go into my mods to disable them, to play normal, but none of the mod menus appear, they crash the game when i select them, completely broke, i have no pip boy because i had a pip pad mod : (
@@noahlefebvre29 I’m suggesting they should have spent the years of development that went into Starfield, working on Fallout or Elderscrolls, the games people actually want and ask for. We could have either of those games right now if it wasn’t for Starfield.
If I had to nitpick on one thing, it would be that these new dlc quests aren't set to start on a certain XP level like in Automatron, Far Harbor, Nuka World and Vault 88. These quests immediately start once you play the game from any level. Even at the very beginning. A small nitpick, but overall I love this.
NO MORE MODS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS!!! and we will lose a lot of mods for ever if they don't get updated edit: and newer mods will release in the new version with no support for old versions
@@Ffinity Don't be such a shill, complaining about an update that breaks more than it fixes and kills the one thing that keeps the game alive, doesn't make you an idiot. You're not smart, you're obnoxious.
The Enclave troopers are hard to kill, even if you have the best power armor and weapons from before the update. I just used stealth, and sniped them from long range, then ran away until they stopped looking for me, went back, and sniped them again, until they all died. I think adding the Enclave was probably a mistake, because it puts too many high end power armor suits out there. I mean, you can literally start a new game, grab the T-45 from the Museum of Freedom, and go directly into the quest for the X-02. That's a huge, HUGE upgrade for a new character, early in the game.
update does nothing for us on PC not even the Ultrawide support is present properly it scales horribly and that was the only thing worth looking forward to lol and we still have black bars. shameful
America Rising 2 is one of the many mods broken with the update on Xbox unfortunately. This mod along with many others will result in a message saying "This operation couldn't be completed" and will return you to the main menu as soon as you click on it.
Did they merge all the skins for weapons , power armor and armor packs as well as the dog breeds into two bsas? So we don't have 40+ unneeded induvial bsa files. Downloading all the creation club stuff can put you nearly at the bsa limit.
Should have never been individual files. Can't afford the one you want? Cope. Anyone who knows sees their file structure for all it's shortcomings. CC is absolutely assinine. It couldn't feel any less legit as official dlc.
I'm actually still running about a dozen mods after the update, they work just fine. What breaks is if you try to use any mods that require FO4 script extender.
the broken "ipresentinterval=0" alone is enough for me to do the steam depository download of last game version. No fucking way im playing at 60 and below!
@@pawhunter340120 lock via nvidia profile inspector. physics fix mod, PRP fix and puredark's framegeneration mod and even downtown boston runs at 100 ish fps.
@@pawhunter340 300+ mods, max graphics 1440p, 120 fps lock via nvidia profile inspector. Important mods for good fps all over map: Physics fps mod, PRP repair pack, buffout and + Dlss/framegeneration mod. Even notoriously low fps area downtown boston does 100 ish fps
I really wish the next-gen update would have implemented some of the improvements made for 76, like the favorites wheel, or the keybind H for heal, or workbenches being used for breaking down things in the wild so you don't have to lug tons of junk everywhere. Or the weapons from 76, even just the vanilla ones and not the ones added later, like the 50 cal or LMG.
It's MODBREAKING TIME, LETS GO! Still gonna use the 60fps with the 90 fov. ini mod. The difference between the 90 fov compared to the default one is huge. Still runs great. Why they didn't add an fov slider for console in this update is beyond me, it can clearly handle it.
