Fallout 4's Deplorable Brotherhood of Steel 

it got so bad people unironically believe the bos were always bootleg space marines

Not only was Liberty Prime totally unnecessary for reaching the Institute, they didn't even need its lasers or bombs. The hole it blows open is like three feet of dirt and two thin layers of concrete. They could have used dynamite or even pickaxes and they probably could have caught the Institute off guard.

Fallout 4 was my first Fallout game and I found all of the factions to be weak and was confused how wishy washy The Brotherhood seemed to be. As a new player, even I knew the story writing was bad.

the 4 bethesda bot dialogue options are yes, sarcastic yes, tell me why i should say yes, and no… (yes if you want to continue playing the story)

Whatever they were going for with the Lyons and Maxson chapters, and whether it was even intentional... It's been already done better in Fallout Tactics. - The Chicago chapter was essentially exiled from the main brotherhood due to wanting to change their xenophobic ways (Kinda what they did Venonica but on a mass scale) and rebelled once they became isolated, with them helping tribals by giving them technology and protection in exchange of resources and recruits to rebuild their fallen numbers. This giving a better reason for their "altruistic" side compared to the Lyons' chapter. - While at the same time showing the more brutal nature of a militaristic authoritarian reign better than Maxson's chapter, with various civilians commenting on how harsh the brotherhood can be or them enslaving all the raiders we defeated in the early game and sacrificing them to haul a nuclear bomb leaking radiation, not even sparing them rad-x because they weren't seen as worth it.

The problem for me is that the Brotherhood from Fallout 1-NV have an arc. In 1, they're the most put together faction, but they aren't willing to help. In 2, Their unwillingness to help meant that when they were attacked by the Enclave, nobody helped them. An in NV, The brotherhood is right and truely broken. What does it stand for? Why did so many die for Helios One? Is the future of the Brotherhood to come out of the bunkers and join society, or to die to the last man standing against a society that will destroy them in the long term? 3 literally moved to the other side of the country to avoid having to deal with any of those questions, so the Brotherhood is just the Good Guys in power armor vs the Bad Guys in power armor. And In 4, they're trying to "return to tradition" by reconsiling with the Brotherhood back West... but who even is back west? After the NCR Brotherhood war, who on the West Coast could the brotherhood contact? How would losing a war and being relgated to obscurity change their policies and beleifs? Oh uh, nothing changed, go back to fallout 1 everyone! Even tho the Fallout 1 Brotherhood was killed by the Enclave and the Fallout 2 Brotherhood was killed off by the NCR and the Vegas expiditon is in lockdown... They must have contacted the Texas Brotherhood, from BoS. They were equally shlocky generic army guys. >:P

You're trying too hard with the voice

I finished as a minuteman I guess. I go up to Maxon to tell him , "Hey enemy is destroyed, war is won", so on and so forth. His ..."reaction", " Uhhh I don't know how to feel about that, talk to me later." Me: ????...???? "Yeah gee just let me get out of the way of alllll your...celebrating, not even a...smile? oohh kaaayyy".

Wait until the Fallout Amazon show airs, The Brotherhood will change to the good guys that help everyone, because why not?

Buddy, why do you keep talking about the east and west coast brotherhood as if they're the same? Lyons' chapter struck out east before the NCR-BoS war, and they traveled to the Commonwealth from the Capitol Wasteland. Danse wouldn't be anymore wary of the NCR than a French soldier would have been of a British post WW1.

I really liked the fallout new vegas Bos. They straight up put a bomb collar around your neck and tell you to do quests and only if you finish their whole questline you can join them

Ave amice*** Amicus is nominative and cannot be used in direct address. Only profligates mess up case usage like that

In 3, there are some explanations to why they are the way they are, The Pitt apparently changed how Lyons perceives the world and made him want to help people, his original goal was the look for the midwest brotherhood chapter that went missing, it seems Lyons traveled too far and ended up further east. Plus under normal circumstances, Typical brotherhood chapters seldom recruit outsiders which makes them a rather volatile faction that can easily be killed off if they aren't careful, Lyons on the other hand, while it can be risky to recruit outsiders, does help keep the chapter alive, though with varying levels of success (redding being an example of an idiot that gets themselves killed by a behemoth) I believe Lyons still did go after technology, but their primary goal was the "power rangers" thing. No offense but the reason i liked 3's brotherhood is because they aren't the typical chapter, granted it would be more unique if it was a new faction that was similar to the brotherhood, but i mean Lyons is my favorite Elder, but hey i guess Bethesda thinks people like me are stupid, killed off the Lyons bloodline and replaced them with this new brotherhood, and leaving Lyons people like me behind because we never mattered to Todd or Emil... As for Fallout 4's iteration... "Power Rangers" would be kind of misleading, as the Brotherhood in Fallout 4 aren't as Noble as their 10 years ago (Ingame Years) version in Fallout 3 They are a perverted corruption of the brotherhood that closer resembles the Enclave. I also need to bring up, while nuking the Institute would guarantee removing them from existence, That Radiation will eventually spread and slowly turn the rest of the commonwealth into the Glowing Sea, rendering Massachusetts inhospitable to anyone who isn't immune to radiation.

I will never understand how is it possible that you become a leader of a faction in 5 minutes, only for YOUR MEMBERS to tell YOU what to do, how to do it, and you cannot delegate charges or make people have jobs. Why be a leader? You are just an errand boy at best.

Near the end, when you were criticizing the march with Prime to the CIT ruins, I asked myself a pretty simple question: instead of wasting time, resources, and effort on rebuilding their massive toy robot, or building some ridiculous vehicle like you suggested, why not just build a large bomb? Or, if Bethesda must have an asinine "cinematic" escort quest, then why not build/rebuild a large drill, and mount it to a brahamin cart or truck? That would make a lot more sense to protect with an infantry escort, rather than resurrecting Liberty Prime and blocking the player from getting any of their own kills. These solutions would probably be a Hell of a lot easier, too. And it's not like it would be impossible to create functioning vehicles in the CE/Gamebryo Engine, because a few coomers did this exact thing in FNV (a game almost as broken and poorly optimized as FO4, mind you). This kind of style over substance quest design just makes me roll my eyes.

So...Fallout 4 was my first venture into the the Fallout universe, I had no idea who or what the BoS was, and on my first playthrough, I of course befriended Danse and ended up on the Prydwen, where I was given the mission to strongarm poor farmers, at which point I said "fuck these bitches", and when the Institute told me to teleport in and hijack Liberty Prime, I accepted the mission with gusto!

"Noooooo! You can't just blow up the Prydwen! Those toasters/muties/ghouls don't deserve mercy!" Hehe Beryllium Agitator go brrrrr

and you have to talk to the fucking synth kid otherwise ingram will be stuck on "you're telling me you'd leave that kid here to die? he's your son!" 1. yeah great writing bugthesda, xenophobic technophiles would definetly trust that or not question why was your son there 2. if it's a syth not a real kid why can't we shoot him why not override him to defend the institute only after you talk to him and keep saying no ingram who was a witness to the whole converstion hits you again with "you're telling me you'd leave that kid here to die? he's your son!" and ONLY THEN you can say "lol no that's a synth"

I honestly thought you had more subscribers.. love the content and the way you present

Peak emil experience.

this perfectly explains how i feel about the brotherhood, i love the faction and think it was ruined somewhat in fallout 3 and 4 barely the same

53:05 why is maxson even there though? generals and other leaders don't go to deal with problems like this, they send underlings. imagine in fnv if when doing veronica's quest and she decides to become a follower of apocalypse, instead of the few nameless bos knights elder macnamara came in person to punish her. 1:06:40 at least it's not steel be with you like in 3.

fun fact! the radiant quests for jaylen and rheese are actually set in stone. they always happen in the same order but there isn’t really a reason for this. the first tech mission will always be for the super duper mart. not sure why it isn’t radiant since there really isn’t an impactful difference

22:01 You dont understand, the Prydwyn is entirely metal. It flies with four small helium tanks. It literally shouldn't be able to fly.

Amazing video as always but two things about the prydwen: 1. It sort of makes sense they have a blimp as they say its scavenged enclave tech and also the midwest brotherhood from tactics had something similar ( i do still agree it should've been something like the mobile base crawler from fallout 3) 2. You say that blimps are weak and ineffective and use world war 2 as a reference. Although i agree with your point by world war 2 blimps weren't really used as they were heavily outdated. Nonetheless it was a great video and i agree with everything i was just pointing some stuff out

I was always disappointed how little your character being pre-war actually impacted how NPCs and the world interacted and reacted to the player character. You get some lip service from Preston when you first meet him (if you choose the right dialogue options) and Father when talking about how bad the world is...but besides a few other mentions of being from Vault 111 no one really cares.

I think liberty prime is fine in the world of fallout, it’s no different than any of the crazy tech in the big MT, what was planned for Van Buren, or the calculator’s robots. I do think the reuse of it is lazy though. Edit: Liberty prime’s head on a tank or a vertibird would be both funny and cool at the same time.

People who never played fallout 4 thinking synths are humans are funny

to go with your aircraft carrier idea Thiers one in fallout 3 rivet city it right next to project purity.

Liberty prime as a concept is dumb and cheesy but liberty prime himself is based af, a giant robot chucking nukes and saying things like "Death is a preferable alternative to communism" and "Communism is the very definition of failure." Liberty prime as a character is a total W.

Love these vids man 👌 cant wait to see more

in Skyrim if you clear Fort Hrogstad before joining the Legion the dialogue with Legate Rikke changes. Even with that game being from 2011, BETHESDA FORGOT ABOUT THAT when making Fallout 4. X_X

Not to say Bethesda did a fine job, but Black Isle started the progression of the BoS to where they are with Fallout: Tactics (and I think we can just ignore Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel). Tactics isn't considered canon because it's written so poorly and doesn't make sense, but it's the reason we ended up with the BoS coming to the east coast with a zeplin. It's still better than we get with later titles, but Black Isle wasn't perfect either, and I feel like ignoring Tactics is cherry-picking.

At around 16 minutes in you say that Danse should be suspicious of the player being in "the military" because of the NCR conflict. The East Coast Brotherhood left before (2254) the BoS vs NCR conflict (2276) and there's a terminal on the Prydwin which has extremely suspicious abridged accounts of radio contact where the West Coast don't mention the war and loss but instead cheer on Maxson's leadership, heavily implying that it's propaganda to legitimize Maxson's rule. As far as Danse would know, there never was a NCR conflict.

21:45 the issue with the Prydwyn is the fact that they depict it flying so low, the advantage of ridged airships is the fact that they can climb high and climb quickly, air craft in fallout are fairly rare with only a few factions having them in the entire wasteland so all the Prydwyn needs to do is sit high enough to avoid ground based fire, the issue is that in fallout 4 because Bethesda is staffed with brainlets the Prydwyn sits and flys into the commonwealth at a very low altitude meaning it can be hit with ground based attacks. Ignoring the issue with getting such a thing airborne if the devs actually depicted the air ship as flying higher than the Prydwyn would be effectively invincible and an amazing forward operating base.

One of my main issues with fallout 4 is that no matter what you choose, dialogue wise, you're stuck with Nate Sombra's sitcom like responses, other than the skill tree the player is incapable of making his own decisions and the devs disregard the fact that Nate is a battle harded veteran the dialogue choices rarely reflect this in game and I always found that to be an extra fu to the player. If you want an evil play through, you have no choice other than cringe dialogue options and counter production.

A big part of the reason why I joined the Brotherhood in Fallout 4 is because the stuff they ask me to do is stuff I was doing anyway. Go collect tech? Done. Go kill Supermutants and Ghouls? Done. Rock out in power armor and heavy weapons? You know it. "But they take crops from settlers." I get paid caps for killing monsters that threaten settlements, for the Minutemen. Only difference with the Brotherhood is they want to be paid in food instead. A portion of your next harvest. Not all, or most, or half. A portion. Let's say between 100-200 caps worth, as that's the monetary payout for a standard MM quest. The anti synth stuff is one of the few areas I don't completely agree on, but I can see why people think they're a threat. They seem to have all the benefits of being a Human, and being a machine, with none of the drawbacks. All because of a component that for some reason only gives plastic as a resource.

First and foremost, buddy you can talk about why something is bad without glazing fallout 1 and 2. Doing it once in a while is fine for example or parallels but when you do it constantly you sound like ya got Old World Blues. In addition: The SS saying he had a military background would not allude to the NCR (Danse is from Rivet City joined there, and as you know Bethesda isn’t too about consistency so he wouldn’t know about the NCR.) it could a allude to a number of semi-militant groups, be that the Minutemen, mercenaries Gunners (the likeliest option) or Reilly’s Rangers, or a city’s guard like Rivet City.

I like fallout 4s brotherhood it's the only good faction in FO4

50:41 Scribes aren't subordinate to knights. The BoS have three castes. Knight, scribe and palladin.

Honestly, I never minded the whole pitch of the East Coast Brotherhood. They aren't a terrible concept for a faction, and they're given valid enough reasons for their existence, but I absolutely agree that they're massively overplayed and overhyped.

IMO Bethesda ruined Fallout with two things: synths and too much eldritch hooey. Synths are the single worst addition made to any established sci-fi property ever. They change the focus of the setting from dealing with the aftermath of an apocalypse into dealing with the paranoia of body snatchers. Fallout had hints of mystical stuff in the pre-Bethesda games but it was so small that it could be explained as 1) hallucinations (primarily from drugs) and 2) misunderstanding the situation as presented. Now they might as well just tell us that some future Elder Scrolls game will center around opening a rift into another reality and end that game with someone flying a dragon through a rift and start the next (prequel) Fallout with top brass at the military misidentifying the dragon as a Chinese mega-zord and nuking china in response, thus retconing and uniting the husk of a once decent franchise into their blob.

Great job laying out this failing of Beth. BoS is in FO4 the lamest and most absurd faction of unlikable people. After the 1st time I have never again joined them in any way. I go as far as helping Danse at ArcJet, because that is the only way to gain access to tons of prime building supply loot.

Yeah any large ship would have been better than that lead zepplin, both practically and aesthetically

Maxon's coat is mine.. noone elses...

Ive got so many problems with fallout 4 I like it but it’s still regressive in so many regards.

57:29 I always thought the implication was that danse was saved by the railroad and moved to the capital waistland.

You know atleast fallout bos was funny sometimes. This is just bad all around.

Why can't you pronounce Cambridge correctly?

Good video, fair points and good suggestions.

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Rocket fuel cant melt steel plates

How do i regain Boston Airport for Brotherhood of Steel? What quests should i complete? Do I need to make missions from DLC?

I don't think the Brotherhood would have preserved all Institute tech. Back when the faction was created, they did kill scientists and destroyed stuff at Mariposa base. It's not the same kind of tech, but it's close. However, I don't think they would just blow up a perfectly conquered base with useful weapons tech and transporters.

"they have maintained their integrity and philosophy until they were sold to a treacherous fiend" "Power armoured shadow governments and even war with the New California Republic" Meanwhile in Interplay Fallout ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aXcgroHzLC8.html

I loved F4 and i think that it is the best fallout game there is. I liked the more authoritarian bos of F4 more than the heroic bos of F3.

Fortunately you can fast travel to the CIT when escorting Liberty Prime. After you fast travel there, Prime will be a short walk away from arriving on the CIT grounds (only a minute or so). It's a lot better than having to walking with him for what feels like eternity.

I want to be a bit more charitable. I think the time of 4 is not too far of from the first game as the first game is to the great war. And the chapter is one that started out on the other end of the country mostly out of other army survivors over the radio. It shifted gears to be more humanitarian while the original chapter entered essentially a war with the NCR. And then shifted again when it was taken over by the descendant of the founder, who was sent to the DC chapter to avoid the BoS and NCR conflict. We are looking at a group started via long-range communications, seems to have had some slight differences in not as hostile to outsiders, and then recreated itself in bringing its different sides back together. Arthur Maxson pretty much had to reconcile the East Coast with Outcasts that split after not liking the shift, and presumably also with the East Coast once their Airship. I believe that is why they started to let outsiders join, and at least creating the appearance that they are helpful.

The reason why they are in the capital wasteland has to do with events of fallout tactics

Lol holy crap you actually said "turrent"

Ad Victorium sounds a lot like "hail victory". I guess that's fitting, given their ideology and behavior.

I usually agree with your videos but this is pretty stupid. Why is it always that the same people who criticize Bethesda for not developing the wasteland past metal shacks into something resembling a prospering society completely change their gears when it comes to BoS? why cant you accept that a faction that has always been in decline because of its ideals will change those ideals when they see that a single splinter faction can achieve much more with different ideals?

Hehehj cool robot

Dang homie you’re really synth racist huh? No love for Danse just because he happens to be allied with the people that kill synths, or do you feel the same about everybody and think synths are not people? Haven’t watched your other videos yet as i just found your channel, so you might have made your thoughts clear somewhere else. I’m half kidding btw, but just the way you talk about Danse towards the end make it seem like you don’t much care about him as a person unless he’s a living person and not a synth.

Listen, they just learned to exit bunkers, give them a break

zepelins are very difficult to shoot down. German zepelins was so easy to shoot down becouse they us a bad gas becouse of lack of reccources.

since this has little comments youll probably see this. i can easily say fallout 4 is one of my faveorite games of all time with more hours put into it than any other. that being said theres bugs in this game that have not been fixed all these years later. the little freeze upon opening the settlement building menu? as a kid that was fine but if i EVER had that happen in a modern game i would actually rage quit

God i love your stuff keep it up

41:50 stop the cap enclave forever prime is based