Bro tried paying back his friend with somebullshit not even deserving to call him a friend bro wanted to get his boy paid when ue should of been paying him looks like Kyle went on and got alot of money why his homie broke asf still if you didn't catch that on the video call but you see how shit dont work because in reality i bet your homie would of expected money from you instead of Mexican ot you should of came outta pocket but again you used this video for views and i bet you still didn't even give your homie nun then again you see why it didn't work out son 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 some people are just disgusting
And they shouldn't. Producers putting packs out for "FREE" but trying to claim money and credit LATER if a producer makes it a dope track and it blows is wack👎🏿. Don't put it out "FREE" period. And I'm a producer and sample maker too
@@remidibeatz8780free packs aren’t ROYALTY free unless specified as so. You still have to credit the person that made the original music, no matter what.
I don't think it was ever about the money, but rather he didn't get any credit. Like, dude can make a lot more money if people know they're getting packs from a certified platinum producer.
@@MrMisterJW yeah, but the way he stressed the getting paid part makes it seem a little bit about the money lol but yeah credit on a platinum song is a huge door on which opportunity knocks.
hmmm, The pack has no licensing information included in it. You really need to include a readme document in the zip file with contact info and licensing terms.
Exactly. I always read through them and usually read something like “in the event your usage reaches x amount of streams, we want to renegotiate the royalty free part”
music is shit now, people making jigsaw pieces for others to put together. We have about 5 years before its all just AI but the millions and they just keep throwing all the shit at the wall to see what sticks.A race to the bottom.
@@SonOfUnagi Royalty free is royalty free, though he could require attribution. If he wants licensing terms, really shouldn't put it out as royalty free, when it comes to copyright and stuff, really can't do fully royalty free(like with whole youtube detection and stuff etc, can't have it be sometimes royalty free to complicated).
Didn’t you watch the whole video? He said at the end that it was royalty free so they didn’t take any money just credit. Also you are not legally obliged to use a license file, the responsibility of use is on the end user, not the creator, it’s never the creator’s responsibility to let people know their work is copyrighted.
A decent human being would give credit where it's due, verbally and monetarily. Because they know they wouldn't be where they are without the music behind it.
the fact that the pack was royalty free makes putting “stole” in the video title a click baity move. EDIT: Kyle changed the title - good on him, I respect the decision
You sound dumb dude lol, if someone puts out a free pack, you can’t then take it and say you made it, you still have to credit the person that made the beat
Bro tried paying back his friend with somebullshit not even deserving to call him a friend bro wanted to get his boy paid when ue should of been paying him looks like Kyle went on and got alot of money why his homie broke asf still if you didn't catch that on the video call but you see how shit dont work because in reality i bet your homie would of expected money from you instead of Mexican ot you should of came outta pocket but again you used this video for views and i bet you still didn't even give your homie nun then again you see why it didn't work out son 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 some people are just disgusting
It's not extortion in free beat packs after certain amount of views your supposed to pay the producer it's in the description and is also publicly disclosed why do you think the managers were so cool about it
@@devinkane42 I work in the music industry. Unless specified *Royalty free with credit or Royalty free up to x amount of spins* than you legally don't have to do anything. The managers were cool, because he's a big youtuber and it's not worth the hassle.
So... free packs are for personal use, but if you use another artist's loops to make money, legally they at least deserve credit. And if a substantial amount of money is made, they deserve a cut for providing the original inspiration and tools.
Imagine putting that title after OT’s team and OT himself were chill af about it. Not only that, but dude didn’t even looked into how the pack was released. He should’ve known he released it royalty free. And he kept making it about himself, what a fucking vulture.
Did you even watch the video? They literally didnt get paid because the loop was labeled as royalty free. The main issue was getting credit on the song, which they got
When loops or beats are free, those are free... but there are not all free to comercialize or distribute, a lot are just for personal use. It can be used as background music to videos or something like that, and you still have to credit the author.
@@juanr94 depends, some are also free to commercialize, you gotta check the rights etc attached to them if you use em, and authorial credit also has things attached to it, etc its more complicated than just a couple set ideas.
Bro, I'm not a producer, don't know much about music. But from what I understand it works like this: You don't have to pay an entry fee, but if you do make money from the song, you gotta credit the artist (which should be a given, like c'mon) and also pay him, because he essentially made part of the song. It sounds completely fair and worth it to me, cause if you buy a pack, you not only have to PAY FOR THE PACK, but also pay royalties and give credit. That's what I understood.
Bro tried paying back his friend with somebullshit not even deserving to call him a friend bro wanted to get his boy paid when ue should of been paying him looks like Kyle went on and got alot of money why his homie broke asf still if you didn't catch that on the video call but you see how shit dont work because in reality i bet your homie would of expected money from you instead of Mexican ot you should of came outta pocket but again you used this video for views and i bet you still didn't even give your homie nun then again you see why it didn't work out son 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽🤦🏽 some people are just disgusting
I think getting credit for having a piece of your work in a major song is something you’d want as a producer. You can show that to other people and be like I did this and they can help you in the future
When the dust settled nobody got anything other than a plaque that cost them 450 bucks. This doesn’t change shit for royalty-free packs, other than the best producer getting a ton of credits.
yall talkin out your ass. this was prolly the most chill reaction someone could have to having their shit get used with 0 credit or mention at all. and it even fostered further relationships for future shit too lol. producers deserve the credits for shit they made. yall both got the weak takes acting like they flipped out on em lmfao.
Platinum and gold status is based of units sold or equivalent. So it’s 1,000,000 copies sold or the streaming equivalent, not sales in dollar amount. Hope that helps
@@Cocinaughty that’s not accurate. When I said “or the equivalent” I mean in terms of streaming to sales. Roughly (edited) 150 streams is equivalent to 1 unit sold. Platinum is 1 million units sold. Each platform pays out a percentage of a penny sometimes 2 Pennies per stream. The number made from a platinum record today is not 1:1 as it used to be. The amount of money the song makes doesn’t matter in regards to the platinum or gold status. Soundscan tracks sale numbers/units and not the quantitative amount (because singles can be purchased at different rates whether it streamed or bought for .99/1.29) the song made monetarily. If the song goes platinum, that means it has amassed an equivalent of 1 million units, not 1 million dollars.
Finding it a lil funny that you emphasize maintaining a solid relationship with OT and his crew, yet use his name in the thumbnail and claim he 'stole' the beat. I have no issue with you wanting Darez to get credited and even paid - but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth the way you handled the title and thumbnail even though you put quotes around the word "stole". You're essentially libeling OT to garner attention for you and your boy. Also, you took the time to drop a link for the 2 week challenge in your description AND pinned comment but fail to link any of Darez's socials 💀 Again, I completely agree with wanting appropriate credit and compensation and I can appreciate you being a homie to your boy. But despite everything, you end up coming across as more of an opportunist instead of someone actually trying to do something genuine. Just my 2 cents. Overall though I'm happy you and Darez got the credit y'all deserved. Keep it up dawg 🔥
@@DonnaInMalibu honestly, I'm inclined to agree. The part where Kyle is talking to his lawyer and the lawyer says "let's back up" 3x seems sus to me, especially since the clip cuts right afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if the lawyer was about to tell Kyle that he's not entitled to any compensation due to the sample being part of a free pack. This is just speculation of course, but I also feel it isn't a huge stretch.
The kit is free as in it's offered at no cost, that doesn't mean it's royalty free whatsoever. Also, any time a kit is free it specifies it's not for commercial use unless you get permission from the producer. You are also required to credit the producer which they didn't do, little buddy. It's funny that OT does three things wrong, yet you're calling out the dude who's in the right.
@@QuinnGIn1080p dont piss yourself, "little buddy" all the dude did was make a joke about how he snuck himself in there (rightfully so or not), not that deep LOL
I mean, technically you didn't tho, you made a melody, everyone can do that and post on the internet as royalty free and get placements for big producers. The producer and the rapper are the ones actually transforming your melody into something.
@@JuniorOliveira-lp4fo*engineer* and no not everybody can make melodies like that and get a platinum placement. That’s why people use loops instead of making the melody herself and on the other token that’s why the PRODUCER community hates beatmakers who only use loops n don’t credit the co- producer
@@JuniorOliveira-lp4fo while you are right, the song itself LITERALLY doesnt exist without him making that melody. cut and dry simple. he deserves everything he can get
If u download a movie for free and it’s marketed as free, it doesn’t mean u have the rights to use it. The terms and conditions to the loop say if it has over 5mil streams then it’s not royalty free anymore. That’s fair because it means u don’t pay until u make a bunch of money l.
@@shinzoux5912 I was wrong. but free doesn't mean royalty free. Some people have it so that you can use it freely if it's a small song. but when it gets bigger you must credit and and clear the sample. peep any type beat description most of them have this. but in this case they DIDNT steal cause it was a royalty free sample. royalty bomb basically its free to mess around with. but not copyright.
royalty-free means royalty-free. you may get credit but not necessarily paid. words have meaning. not being facetious at all. I've worked decades in the music industry and also in the legal field. One single word can change the meaning of a sentence or paragraph. always know your rights or defer to an expert that can help protect you and your art
@@Wopedomer He didn't want a check? He literally made the whole thing about getting Darez his plaque and MAYBE paid... If you wouldn't put in a word for your friend who you know is "going through waves" (verbatim) to possibly get royalties on a platinum song you are a terrible friend.
Bro, this whole video is like if i give my homie a peso and he uses it to buy a scratcher and wins, and my boss wants a cut cause he payed me with his money
All it is that the producer didn't credit the og. A sample pack being free is not equivalent to royalty free/free for profit. It just means you can use it for free and make non profit content with it. Which I guess was the original intention of the song, but the producer who put the drums didn't pay or credit the sample makers
No it’s like giving your homie a peso and saying you free to spend it on anything, but if you’re monetizing it I want a cut. Free beats and copyright isn’t free no strings attached, and that’s stated. This beat happened to be free no strings attached as it was royalty free, but they usually aren’t.
Cuz it was all filmed. Bro really had the weakest take of all time w this vid. Ain’t this the dude who used to spam RU-vid with ads about his “free packs” Now he wants royalties on that? Fym
If it’s a free sample kit, you already got paid. That’s the way the law perceives this situation. You placed that loop in a kit that was labeled as free. Meaning royalty free. It was also on a website designed to provide free sounds/kits for production. Meaning he does not have to pay you for that beat. I would have told you to take me to court so legally you could be told the same. You had no expectation of payment upon placing that kit on a site as a free kit! You can’t expect one now when there was no paperwork stating that deal. This works the same as if there was a contract. If you accept 5K upfront and 3-5 points on the backend, that’s what you get! Only way to alter said deal is contract renegotiation. The only difference in the two processes is you can’t renegotiate what was already given out as free! Free means free! No matter what!
@@nxorz3627it doesn't matter he need to get paid its his beat with he needs his credit don't use someone beat and go platinum with it and not give a shout-out I would honestly
moral lesson : as a producer don't use(*third party*) sample packs / loops even if they are labelled free /royalty free ,,, even if you bought the loop kits ,,, in the end it will haunt you
fact, I'll never understand producer that uses 3rd party loops, it's only problems + you won't take the whole money you should get for a placement, you'd have to split it
Yea what does bro have to bitch about? This is such a weak take 😂😂😂😂 Man spent 100k advertising his “royalty free” samples and tryin to act like their beat got stole lmao
you dont get payed for "royalty free" samples which is why this video is confusing tf out of me, how can you drop a free "royalty free" pack & expect to get paid thats sum cheeky a** stuff, getting credited is one thing but "royalty free" is royalty free
Yeah as the comment above mentioned, you just need to give credit. The pack was released as royalty free so they didn't need to lose any money on it anyways. Depending on the license, even credit may not be required, but that's just human decency to credit the right people. What happened in the video was understandable since the person who made the full beat probably didn't disclose that it wasn't his own sample, and they ended up clearing the misunderstanding anyways. This video itself is misleading though, they should have started the video saying that the music was royalty free. Way too much drama for nothing.
Imagine having to credit the creator of a LOOP you used from a free pack lmao. Kyle didn’t even have a hand in the finished beat. Transformative use of a loop. This is clickbait
Imagine a world where beatmakers had to give credit for each aspect of a beat lol. “Beat prod me. Kick by Cookin Soul. Hi hat by Sonny Digital. Synth by…”
@@choppchopp9975 ur not telling me nothing idk lmaoo. My point still stands he had nothing to do with the song other then steal his friends loop for his “pack”.
Bro free loops are free as long as you don't make profit. To use the beat for commercial use you have to buy or lease the beat that way the producer gets hits cut
it’s all about principle, paid for or free. you are still not the original creator of the piece, you are not the owner. the goal is to be transparent and give everyone credit and respect they deserve for their work on the record. it’s complex it’s not simple
Does no one know about how free for personal use is different from business use? Like if you use windows 11 for a pc at home it’s one thing, but if you take the same copy of windows 11 and install it on a shitload of office computers it’s illegal? Plus it seems more like he just wants there to be credit for his friend.
The producer and the beat need accredited, no matter free or not. It can be used in anything, but if it isn't credited properly, then the other "producer" could say it's his own original beat even tho it wasn't. It's just not right.
There doesn't necessarily need to be a payment made either, but most labels in good faith will give the original "producer" a decent cut as well as their name on the track.
What are you talking about? The Johnny Dang track was just a fluke, could have just easily happened on a non-royalty free loop but it didn't. Producers have to put free shit out there sometimes. It's necessary promotion for their brand, and enables up and coming producers to experiment with pre-existing samples or loops. Nothing at all wrong with manipulating some MIDI notes to build your own song. The guy who created them didn't even notice it was his music!! Maybe that's because these guys create thousands of different sounds. They don't always know how "good" something is that they're making, so it's completely their responsibility to copyright certain things or choose to give them away.
Did you watch the video? They didn't get paid. Better business model: enjoy the process of creating music, get good at creating music, be a cool person, make connections to other cool, music creating people, create music. There's a one in a millions chance someone picks up your music and you'll make some real money from it.
@@reallyeffingcooltechnodudeOf course I watched the whole video. In the end, he’ll get a Plaque to recognize his contribution to the song. I took more offense to the title “stole”. OT didn’t steal anything. Another producer used it form a “FREE” pack and OT got it from him. If OT never picked it up, never would’ve seen the light of day. As Nas would say, they made it a hot loop, OT made it a damn hit! Not to discredit the creator but this likely took him less than an hour to make. It takes hours to lay down the verses, structure the beat around the lyrics and many more hours to mix and master the song. Now you make the video and promote the song. It was a hit with or without that beat. OT and Paul Wall have turned many instrumentals into HITS. To the credit of this channel and the producer of the track, they, as you mentioned, created a lifetime connection. Networking is key in this industry. OT made his track a hit and now he’ll get the recognition he deserves and hopefully will now have a way to support his family in a career I imagine he loves.
So lie about and tarnish the reputation of the artist to get people to watch you? That’s what the law will call libel. I know why he did it. I guess just from a generation that believes in standing on your own merit. Not riding on the backs of others. Anyway, good conversation. I wish you and this channel nothing but success. God Bless!
This is a POS title claiming the mexican ot "stole" your beat when it was a sample and said sample was royalty free. Some bottom feeding ish here. You got credit for something your boy made and credit for something you let go of the rights to.
@@tristc6909 i hear a lot of “ Boss “ living here in the UK, in the US its more like “ Fam , dude , boss , man “ but never “ Boss man “ let alone 2 random person who have nothing connected to say it back 2 back
@@randomperson8572 maybe it’s more common in my area, but I say “boss man” like every single day. Especially with like cashiers or something. Like when you get your bags at the store and you say “appreciate it boss man”
This felt like a net flix special much less a youtube video. The production the editing the way you telling these stories now are so dope and clean. As entertaining as this was i also felt it was a good lesrning experience. Kinda gives you an idea on how to handle yourself in these type of situations. Not everything always has to be about securing the bag. Sometimes building new relationships can be much more valuable in the long run. Well done kyle, handled this with class. Much respect and congrats to darez on becoming a plat producer!
Honestly shoutout to OTs team for even responding. Most new cats would ignore that shiz and block them. Then in most cases the new producer doesn’t have the resources to sue to get his cut.
well even if he did sue he's not entitled to anything. it was a royalty free pack, I could use this beat if i wanted and theres nothing he can do about it
Brandon OT really impressed me from the get-go. Very professional and very good attitude. Thanks for putting out this video, definitely helps give us more insight into how to approach such issues. Thanks Kyle
@@OliveVeyah If your "works" is sampled, you do. His producer pack, which was full of loops/samples for others TO USE, is not covered by the copyright. For example, for every song (they often use hundreds of samples to make a single song), you'd have to list the entire creative team for each sample as "writers" or "producers", and they'd all get compensation. "Samples" aren't just loops sampled from songs, every audio clip is a sample, and most of them aren't recorded by the producers - they are bought/downloaded for free. He released that pack for free, for use. He has no claim to it, the same way he doesn't cite every sample source from every song he puts out - he doesn't pay every sample creator either.
Who else was thinking, “He can’t just show that beautiful baby at the beginning and end it there….WE NEED TO SEE THE BABY AGAIN!” Thank you for the multiple shots with your precious miracle 🙏🏼 and congratulations 🥳🥳🥳
Bro, as an IP lawyer you should also know that royalty-free does allow for a person to use a copyrighted work without paying licensing fees but it doesn't exclude moral rights, i.e. being credit. Yeah he may not get paid, but there were certainly claims to be made.
Unless the loops are marked as royalty free by the owner of the loops you must seek clearance, you can’t just use a loops and sell the masters to the loop without permission.
Free beat packs are often intended for non-profit use, such as for practicing or recording before making an investment. They may not be able to be distributed, performed, radio streamed, or monetized in any way. If you want to use a beat for commercial purposes, you may need to purchase a license from the producer.
the main goal was being credited. a platinum record that has it's main melody being your creative content without any hint of credit toward you is a pretty big deal.
@@outsomnia You mean the same law that shows that Royalty Free copyright status means that you as the customer do not need to credit or pay royalties? Those same laws? That he himself said he applied his works under? Crazy. Its almost as if he is just upset he didn't get paid for work he didn't even do.
this is legendary in its self 20 years from now when ppl mention this song they will tell the story of how this beat was created and how the stars aligned for a reason the universe and destiny are crazy
This isn't subject to any copyright claims, in my semi-educated opinion - I went to music college for audio engineering and music production, and took a few semesters of music/copyright law classes. Now, that doesn't make me a lawyer, but I have more than just an online search. If they sampled your song, or cut a loop out of published releases, that would be one thing. But he released a free sample/loop producer pack to the public - it is for public use. That is literally what the purpose of the pack being released was - to have other producers use it. In this case, I think it would be the same thing as you buying samples/loops, he just did it for free (self promotion). This is almost like a form of entrapment. I'd bet that if this went to court, Kyle would lose. EDIT: He released it as, free, and many are saying "royalty free." Now I've found a section in the website terms (listed nowhere near the purchase or product provided) that specifically lists "Royalty free is applicable only to songs under 5,000,000 streams, anything above 5,000,000 streams must be cleared with original creator." So basically, they wrote in a clause/exception for "Royalty Free" so that they could list it as royalty free but still make money/get credit for it if it was successful. Under 5 Mill streams wouldn't profit much. I'd argue that is false advertising, if nothing else. I'm unsure of precedents but I think it is fairly inaccessible and misleading.
the packs come with terms and conditions. he didnt even get credited for the beat at all. one could assume the producer made it himself, not even from a pack. i dont even think it would have been that big of a deal if he simply credited him.
When you get the beat it's free as long as you don't use it to make profit. If you want to use it for commercial release you need to buy or lease the beat. I'm a producer too
You can't use it for COMMERCIAL use. Using it to make a track, and sing in the bar or something is one thing. There are terms you agree to. Kyle would win most likely due to that fact it was commercially made.
I wish I could, been broke for a min and just got a job that starts in 3 days. Won't be getting paid until the challenge is done, but I wish everyone the best of lick and I hope there will be more challenges in the future.
That's what you call "double dipping". Selling royalty free kits for money to producers but if they strike gold and get a decent placement you want a piece of that too. You can't have it both ways. If yall knew the producer was gonna get a placement guarantee you would have never charged him for the so called royalty free kit
Free for non commercial use. That's very standard for anything loops or beats. For example if you search type bests, they are all advertised as free without commercial use, so if you used that beat and it blew up and made money, it would no longer qualify for free usage and you'd have to pay up. Same way if you use that beat in a RU-vid video and that blew up, you'd owe money even though it's labeled as "free". Every producer, artist, etc knows this.
NGL this video kind of put tears in my eyes.. the genuine friendship and going above and beyond to make sure your friend got credited is highly respectable. I don’t subscribe to people, just watch videos. You definitely just earned my subscription.
After watching the video the word 'stole' just pisses me off in the title . Mexican OT looks and seems like a very humble person from all the interviews ive seen him on and thats just trying to burn his name.
You really should take the word ( Stole ) out of the video title. No one actually stole your song. They used a loop you created and the created there own rendition. But know one stole anything from you my guy.
They slowed it down n just put some drums on it. I’d understand if they sampled a bit of that loop to make a song……..but the whole track is the fucking loop, that’s blatant plagiarism and stealing, no credit was given to the creator. Like cmon dude
@@y3llowpersuasionz18 it's not sealing. They purchased a royalty free loop to be used as you please. Explain to me how that was theft. You can't be involved in the music game if you didn't know that. Secondly he even said it was a royalty free loop in the video.
@@fatdan172501 because they sold it to you... AHHHH I get it. Wow, you got a doomsday coming to you! Dude, they're going to get rid of taxes here in a few years and you're going to be so confused. "But I own a barn! The government is letting me use their land, don't they want my money?" The purchase was made. You made the purchase to try to beat out all of the losers that wanted to make a hit. No one made a hit. Kyle got thousands from them. Wow, you made a hit, Kyle is happy for your the purchase. GAME OVER. YOU WON THE GAME.
you need to read the fine print in the tos on the site (section 5 to be specific).It's royalty free until you hit a certain amount of streams or purchases (of course you would never know if you meet that criteria until it happens so ig if you wanna save legwork and avoid being accused of stealing after the fact assume this guys loops are not royalty free. Would be nice if they bothered to include tos within the pack or be more transparent about these predatory business decisions but alas.
